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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:33:22 No.13163901 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13163971 >>13163982 >>13163990 >>13166195

>gengar is OU five gens in a row
>doesn't even have special stab until gen IV
>alakazam drops into UU gen IV despite having higher base speed, special attack and higher power moves

What the hell happened

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:34:55 No.13163925 Report

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Gengar is a ghost type. That's what happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:35:54 No.13163936 Report

Quoted By: >>13163944 >>13163953

Gengar wasn't OU five gens in a row, the only pokemon to do that was Starmie

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:36:57 No.13163944 Report

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>>13163936
Yes it was

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:37:18 No.13163951 Report

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Alakazam lost it's coverage and is a Psychic type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:37:23 No.13163953 Report

Quoted By: >>13164074

>>13163936
Um no, Gengar and Starmie were both OU all gens. It's what they're infamous for

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:38:27 No.13163963 Report

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Gengar has a better typing + Levitate

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:38:57 No.13163971 Report

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>>13163901
Alakazam had fire punch ice punch and thunderpunch pre gen 4. they changed to physical moves and with that alakazam lost a LOT of power. then, pursuit became a much more viable move as it was now physical, and pokemon with actual power got it, and alakazam had a shitty ability, couldn't take priority hits and had terrible coverage with the elemental punches being physical

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:40:50 No.13163982 Report

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>>13163901
Power creep and GF trying to nerf Psychic weakened Alakazam. Gengar managed to beat the power creep because it kept getting something new (Gen 2 gave it Perish Trap and Destiny Bond, Gen 3 gave it Levitate, Gen 4 gave it Special STAB and Focus Blast, and Gen 5 gave it 100% accurate Disable) and it's Ghost-typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:41:50 No.13163990 Report

Quoted By: >>13164005 >>13164038

>>13163901
Gen IV's physical-special split really hurt Alakazam's coverage, while finally giving Gengar access to its STAB moves. And before that, Gengar was used for its typing. It was the only Ghost in a game dominated by Normal types in Gen II, and had only Misdreavus as competition in Gen III. Gen III gave us Dusclops, but he was much more suited to a defensive role.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:44:14 No.13164005 Report

Quoted By: >>13164040

>>13163990
Misdreavus was Gen II, although you are still right with the whole Ghost domination thing (Gengar was better than Misdreavus)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:47:46 No.13164038 Report

Quoted By: >>13164054

>>13163990
Misadreavus was Gen II

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:47:56 No.13164040 Report

Quoted By: >>13164053

>>13164005
And Mismagius in Gen IV is still outclassed by Gengar; sure it has 105 SDef, but 105 Speed and just 105 SAtk really hurts. Also, Mismagius can't learn Focus Blast and is stuck with T-Bolt and Energy Ball.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:49:19 No.13164053 Report

Quoted By: >>13164082 >>13166102

>>13164040
>tfw no nasty plot gengar

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:49:24 No.13164054 Report

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>>13164038
It was supposed to read Gen I then Gen II in the third sentence

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:51:11 No.13164074 Report

Quoted By: >>13166151

>>13163953
>infamous

As if being OU is a bad thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:51:44 No.13164082 Report

Quoted By: >>13164360

>>13164053
>tfw nasty plot gengar makes complete sense
>tfw no prankster gengar

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:56:26 No.13164115 Report

Quoted By: >>13164127 >>13166600

aesthetically we all know who's the winner amongst ghost types

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 19:57:52 No.13164127 Report

Quoted By: >>13164200

>>13164115
Yep

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 20:04:10 No.13164200 Report

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>>13164127
would you fuck duskull?
as for mismagius, well... hehe...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 20:08:03 No.13164240 Report

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Alakazam lost coverage when the Phys/Spec Split came. Not to mention better Shadow Sneak one-hit annihilates it.

Achelexus

Achelexus Sat 27 Jul 2013 20:16:31 No.13164360 Report

Quoted By: >>13164966 >>13166054

>>13164082
prankster for a 110 speed mon?

I'd rather have it getting nasty plot or aura sphere

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 21:14:32 No.13164966 Report

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>>13164360
>whimsicott

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 22:51:13 No.13166054 Report

Quoted By: >>13166105 >>13166132

>>13164360
>prankster sub-disable

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 22:55:06 No.13166102 Report

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>>13164053
And then Gengar got Nasty Plot in X and Y.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 22:55:16 No.13166105 Report

Quoted By: >>13166123

>>13166054
gngr pls

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 22:56:16 No.13166123 Report

Quoted By: >>13166139

>>13166105
does sableye get disable?

I wanna try disableye

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 22:56:57 No.13166132 Report

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>>13166054
>mfw people use subdisable just because it's the most popular set and don't understand the team support necessary to maximize effectiveness

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 22:57:31 No.13166139 Report

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>>13166123
Sableye believe it or not, cannot learn it and cannot become disableye

It does get torment though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 22:58:37 No.13166151 Report

Quoted By: >>13166179 >>13166217

>>13164074
>implying being OU isn't the worst hell imaginable
Enjoy playing your joke of a tier while people in ubers play with more balanced and variable teams and people in UU play with more interesting pokemon and a better metagame

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:01:01 No.13166179 Report

Quoted By: >>13166198 >>13166203

>>13166151
>UU
>better metagame
>spikestacking + 5 sweepers the tier
No thanks, I'll keep playing Sun stall in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:02:48 No.13166195 Report

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>>13163901
Because Gengar is immune to fighting and Earthquake which have both dominated the meta for a long time, and you don't need major offensive prowess when you can spinblock, Toxic and phaze

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:03:21 No.13166198 Report

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>>13166179
>not playing stall in the only tier that it's actually useful in

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:03:46 No.13166203 Report

Quoted By: >>13166222 >>13166242

>>13166179
>sun
>stall
are you literally retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:04:47 No.13166217 Report

Quoted By: >>13166255 >>13166303

>>13166151
>Ubers
>balanced
And everything else is just your opinion I won't bother responding to.

OU might be hyper offense, but stall IS viable and there is no shortage of viable Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:04:52 No.13166222 Report

Quoted By: >>13166254 >>13166256 >>13166273

>>13166203
It's fairly viable if you know anything about stall. Turns Sableye into a monster who can spinblock all spinners

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:05:54 No.13166242 Report

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>>13166203
one of the best teams this gen was sun stall

Support cress enough and it will not die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:06:37 No.13166254 Report

Quoted By: >>13166317

>>13166222
i do know shit about stall and why it is a dumb idea in sun. all the common abusers are sweepers and the moves that kill them even get boosted. please tell me how your sableye benefits from the sun at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:06:44 No.13166255 Report

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>>13166217
I never said Ubers is more balanced, just that OU is even worse and if you don't see this you're fucking blind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:06:46 No.13166256 Report

Quoted By: >>13166345

>>13166222
How does Sableye benefit from Sun?

I think it'd be cool if Sun gave Will-O-Wisp 100% accuracy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:07:54 No.13166273 Report

Quoted By: >>13166345

>>13166222
How does Sableye benefit from Sun?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:09:25 No.13166303 Report

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>>13166217
I never said that ubers is balanced, just that OU is even worse and you'd have to be blind to not see that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:10:12 No.13166317 Report

Quoted By: >>13166344

>>13166254
cresselia is probably better than venusaur in sun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:11:26 No.13166336 Report

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Alakazam only got back into OU because Magic Guard makes his sash unbreakable, meaning nothing outside of multi-hit attacks can OHKO him. He'd still be down in RU somewhere otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:12:01 No.13166344 Report

Quoted By: >>13166402

>>13166317
so the only defensive pokemon that really benefits from sun is cress. wow

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:12:03 No.13166345 Report

Quoted By: >>13166380

>>13166273
>>13166256
Weakens tentacruel and starmie's stabs, they can't beat in turning it into the perfect spinblocker

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:14:56 No.13166380 Report

Quoted By: >>13166442

>>13166345
>implying starmie can't 2hko it with boltbeam or other moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:16:42 No.13166402 Report

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>>13166344
other things gain water resists, and sun has a distinct advantage over rain teams which can cause issues for stall

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:19:57 No.13166442 Report

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>>13166380
It can't if you run 252hp252spdef

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2013 23:36:26 No.13166600 Report

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>>13164115
Indeed.

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