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Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:18:12 No.13174366 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13174409 >>13174424 >>13174438 >>13174610

>hyper cutter
i can visualize that. gyarados's intimidate doesn't really make gligar's claws less sharp.

>guts
i can visualize that. adrenaline getting to you in a fight. you fight harder the more youre suffering. sure.

>iron fist
okay, makes sense. you have big, heavy fists, so obviously your punching moves will be more powerful

>no guard
how am i supposed to visualize/justify this realistically?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:21:36 No.13174400 Report

Quoted By: >>13174434 >>13174543

Machamp gets so close to it's opponent that it cannot miss, however by getting so close, Machamp is also unable to defend itself. Hence the ability No Guard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:22:16 No.13174409 Report

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>>13174366
When the pokemon gets sent out, a boxing ring comes up and they fight close together. Any attack that still misses rebounds off the sides and hits them

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:23:05 No.13174424 Report

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>>13174366
no guard is the most realistic one and is common in boxing, what are you a pleb?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:23:24 No.13174434 Report

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>>13174400
/thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:23:33 No.13174438 Report

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>>13174366
>how am i supposed to visualize/justify this realistically?

autism confirmed

isnt a problem for normal people

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:33:35 No.13174543 Report

Quoted By: >>13174560 >>13174572 >>13174610

>>13174400
so machamp follows crobat into the air while he's using fly?

machamp just dives under the water and follows tentacruel into the ocean and punches him?

he follows diglett into the ground when he's using dig?

i get that it hits through protect and makes sure his attacks dont normally miss. how can i justify literally every attack hitting even through semi-invulnerable turns?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:35:24 No.13174560 Report

Quoted By: >>13174672

>>13174543
The same way you can justify Fly working indoors, Dig working on water, and Dive working anywhere else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:36:19 No.13174572 Report

Quoted By: >>13174596

>>13174543
>how can i justify creatures creating fire/water/rock/electric to attack one another

>how can i justify fitting huge creatures inside tiny balls

>how can i justify being this much of a faggot on the internet

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:39:33 No.13174596 Report

Quoted By: >>13174610 >>13174613 >>13174615 >>13174636

>>13174572
>lose argument
>resort to name calling, strawman and ad hominem

Wonderful. Literally saying "I give up" would be less pathetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:40:25 No.13174602 Report

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It's like your mom's panty, she's such a slut my dick can't miss it and she can't miss my dick .

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:41:01 No.13174610 Report

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>>13174596
>>13174366
>>13174543
>being this autistic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:42:05 No.13174613 Report

Quoted By: >>13174625

>>13174596
Are you fucking retarded? Different anon, but a sufficient explanation was given and you said "B-BUT DU MAKE BELIEVE VIDEO GAME DOESNT MAKE SENSE ALL DA TIME!"

It's a video game, you insufferable, autistic faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:42:39 No.13174615 Report

Quoted By: >>13174633 >>13174652

>>13174596
>strawman
>ad hominem
Oh, yay! I thought my favourite buzzwords had gone away but now I see some people still use them.
>Hurr durr HE'S NOT ADHERING TO PROPER DEBATE ETIQUETTE IN AN INTERNET ARGUMENT WHERE MY POINT IS SO STUPID THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY IN THE FIRST PLACE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:44:07 No.13174625 Report

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>>13174613
>prove me right

You're a joke. And no, I'm not that guy nor do I care about your argument. I made an observation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:45:57 No.13174633 Report

Quoted By: >>13174653

>>13174615
You have no idea what a buzzword is. What's really amusing is that you did the same shit.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:46:23 No.13174636 Report

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>>13174596
Because it's a game and unless you suspend your disbelief then this shit is going to make it unfun for you.

why have cynbernetic ducks shooting freeze rays and children catching physical gods in red and white balls no better than a baseball as they solo entire terrorist organizations, what is the issue with no guard machamp.

Did you recently loose to a no guard machamp? Is that what this thread is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:48:26 No.13174652 Report

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>>13174615
If I green text and put caps lock, my argument is stronger. Also, don't tell me how to debate as this is only the Internet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:48:39 No.13174653 Report

Quoted By: >>13174688

>>13174633
I have posted in this thread twice now, I "did" nothing. And how are strawman and ad hominem not buzzwords? If someone is unable to prove their point to anons properly, they ALWAYS resort to "B-but u used teh strawman and hte ad huminum so I am rite!"
Just like you did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:48:47 No.13174655 Report

Quoted By: >>13174669

Are people really trying to find logic in Pokemon where we have Gods of a lot of things like Time.Land,and Anti-Matter?

Where we can somehow throw Pokeballs underwater?

Just enjoy the fucking game son.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:50:52 No.13174669 Report

Quoted By: >>13174689 >>13174710 >>13174732

>>13174655
>still resorting to ad hominems
This is really pathetic. You children just can't hold up a debate without using circular logic. You know you lost, but you just won't admit it.

This is like the 3rd time in a row I've had to say this, and yet I haven't heard a counter argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:51:18 No.13174672 Report

Quoted By: >>13174681

>>13174560
yes i get that it's a game mechanic. the ability does what it does, and it works because it's a game.
im just wondering how to intuitively visualize this because there's no real way given. how would they represent this in the anime, for example?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:52:08 No.13174681 Report

Quoted By: >>13174702

>>13174672
see the first replay in the thread. Jesus fuck, how can people be so retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:53:28 No.13174688 Report

Quoted By: >>13174740

>>13174653
His strawman was pointing out stuff that has nothing to do win the real argument and attacking it.

His ad hominem was using the autist card.

Just because you have no idea what these words mean does not mean they're buzzwords.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:53:32 No.13174689 Report

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>>13174669
Because you know its true and you're being a whiny little faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:55:10 No.13174702 Report

Quoted By: >>13174740

>>13174681
calm down, buddy. learn some reading comprehension.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:56:20 No.13174710 Report

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>>13174669
He made a legitimate point, that wasn't ad hominem He never said, "You are stupid for doing this" or "You are a bad person", he said "why are people doing X when Y makes X absolutely retarded."

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:58:03 No.13174727 Report

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>No Guard
Every time I read that fucking ability now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:59:02 No.13174732 Report

Quoted By: >>13174758

>>13174669
No one cares about ad hominems, the point he's making is still valid.

It's a game, some things aren't going to make perfect sense. The notion of it being limited because 'it doesn't make sense' would ruin Pokemon.

(though personally I enjoy the mental image of machamp's arms flying off his body and following the enemy around, leaving himself wide open to attack, but also getting sure hits.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 18:59:43 No.13174740 Report

Quoted By: >>13174771 >>13174783

>>13174688
>throwing out words you don't understand
You must be a 12 year old who just read a page on logical fallacies. And NO, that is NOT an ad hominem because that is not the argument I'm going to use against you. It's just a way of expressing how much of a faggot you are, tangent to the argument.

>strawman
Are you really that bad at communication? He wasn't talking about using dig on water because that's what the OP is about--he was doing it to illustrate suspension of belief for the purposes of making the game work. Anyone who's ever had a conversation would realize that's what he meant be that.

>>13174702
>reading comprehension
Oh my God, it's like you just discovered 4chan and think saying these things gives you a flawless victory. The first reply answers the OP's question. How, pray-tell, am I failing to understand what's been said?

I hope for the sake of humanity this thread is just full of trolls

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:01:29 No.13174758 Report

Quoted By: >>13174782 >>13174801 >>13175103

>>13174732
i dont think you realize what im saying.
firstly, im the OP and not the anon you keep replying to.
second, i get that it works beacuse its a game mechanic. at the end of the day, that is all that matters and i get it.
im wondering how we are supposed to visualise it. for example, how would the anime show this?
it makes sense that dynamic punch wouldnt miss... but like you said, unless his arms fly off and home in on giratina during shadow force, how are we supposed to think about it happening? thats all i mean.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:02:46 No.13174771 Report

Quoted By: >>13174803

>>13174740
because you read a post and agree with it without thinking about it. why are you still posting? hide the thread and go visit the other ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:04:16 No.13174782 Report

Quoted By: >>13174794

>>13174758
Pokemon are magical creatures. Machamp uses its magic to punch the air and have the effect of the punch hit its opponent anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:04:23 No.13174783 Report

Quoted By: >>13174803

>>13174740
>this is not an ad hominem
>continues with ad hominem

Hahaha

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:05:58 No.13174794 Report

Quoted By: >>13174799 >>13174805 >>13174818 >>13174848

>>13174782
yeah that's how it works in game, and im fine with that. its a game mechanic. how would you represent it in the anime or visualize it though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:06:44 No.13174799 Report

Quoted By: >>13174820

>>13174794

You'd represent it by having every attack hit.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:06:44 No.13174801 Report

Quoted By: >>13174820

>>13174758
Just visualize his arms flying off his body, perhaps in a fashion similar to a rocket.

I don't quite understand why you can't accept the glory that is rocket arm machamp, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:06:53 No.13174803 Report

Quoted By: >>13174820

>>13174771
>because you read a post and agree with it without thinking about it.
What does this even mean? I agree with it because it's true, and I'm directing you towards it because you have asked 50 times how to visualize it and it's spelled out in the first reply.

>why are you still posting?
Because you keep replying.

>I don't like what you're saying, just leave the thread

>>13174783
I seriously hope I am being trolled.

>We can't trust Hitler's military tactics--he's a no good Nazi!
That is an ad hominem.

>You are a retard. Now let me explain with argument why you're wrong
That is not an ad hominem.

Just because a reply includes an insult doesn't mean there's no argument, you retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:07:19 No.13174805 Report

Quoted By: >>13174820 >>13174836

>>13174794
That IS how I visualize it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:08:34 No.13174818 Report

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>>13174794
>fist glows
>punch ghost
>legs glow
>jump and punch flying type
>jump into hole and punch digging pokemon
Happy now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:08:39 No.13174820 Report

Quoted By:

>>13174805
okay cool.

>>13174803
ive actually replied to this thread only five times, counting the OP. you keep replying to some other anon.

>>13174801
blah blah blah

>>13174799
...in game.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:10:41 No.13174836 Report

Quoted By: >>13174856 >>13174951

>>13174805
Personally I see it like pic related when Machamp uses DynamicPunch.

Get up close and start punching away.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:12:03 No.13174848 Report

Quoted By: >>13174860

>>13174794

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:12:41 No.13174856 Report

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>>13174836
>8
this is how i visualize it with most attacks. either he's up close, or he holds you close with his arms and hits you. but with other things, its a bit harder to imagine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:13:36 No.13174860 Report

Quoted By: >>13174881

>>13174848
now explain how he can dynamic punch through fly, dive, earthquake, shadow force, sky drop and dig please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:15:53 No.13174881 Report

Quoted By: >>13174899

>>13174860
Suspension of belief for the purposes of gameplay convenience

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:18:06 No.13174899 Report

Quoted By: >>13174918 >>13174920 >>13174932

>>13174881
lol.

i already have that.
ive already said that it works because its a game mechanic.
you know, if something like alakazam had no guard, it'd make more sense - psychic powers guide all attacks to instantly hit their targets.
machamp having it leaves no way to visualize how it gets around those. yes i know its a game mechanic and its FINE but there's no way to visualize it is all im saying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:20:49 No.13174918 Report

Quoted By: >>13175033

>>13174899
My god, you are hopeless. Why aren't you complaining about how to visualize using dive indoors? Why aren't you complaining about how to visualize Pidgey using fly? Why is No Guard so much more unacceptable than the millions of other things that don't make sense?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:20:54 No.13174920 Report

Quoted By: >>13175033

>>13174899
Then why in the fuck did you start this thread then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:21:55 No.13174932 Report

Quoted By: >>13175033

>>13174899
A lot of things are hard to visualize,but we just play it cause it's fun.
How can non-water pokemon fight on water?
How can Thunder not hit all pokemon in the water when it miss?
How can EQ works on water?
How can Gen 4 and up Solarbeam work when there's a ceiling?

Note that I say HARD, but not impossible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:23:18 No.13174951 Report

Quoted By: >>13174966

>>13174836

Seems more like Close Combat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:25:26 No.13174966 Report

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>>13174951
That works better I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:31:19 No.13175033 Report

Quoted By: >>13175070 >>13175130

>>13174932
has nothing to do with my OP.

>>13174920
read the op to find out.

>>13174918
because that has nothing to do with no guard. just because one thing doesn't make sense, is not an excuse for something else to make sense.
stop posting. lol. calm down. have a drink. dont be so mad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:35:18 No.13175070 Report

Quoted By: >>13175082

>>13175033
>how am i supposed to visualize/justify this realistically?

>yes i know its a game mechanic and its FINE but there's no way to visualize it is all im saying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:36:20 No.13175082 Report

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>>13175070
Don't reply to him, He's just trolling at this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:38:41 No.13175103 Report

Quoted By:

>>13174758
MAYBE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO FUCKING VISUALIZE IT IN THE FUCKING FIRST PLACE.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2013 19:40:49 No.13175130 Report

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>>13175033
>has nothing to do with my OP.
Yes it does. Those are other examples of ways you must suspend disbelief, that you apparently have no problem with, showing a flaw in your way of thinking.

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