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Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:26:57 No.13349482 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13349571 >>13349911 >>13351344 >>13351455

>Pokemon X/Y is 1.7 GB
>3D models instead of sprites especially for 649+ pokemon
>Extra models for the Mega pokemon
>Pokemon-Aime
>Supposedly 220 tracks in the game

Is the game going to be pretty short? I know audio tracks sometimes take up quite a bit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:28:34 No.13349499 Report

Quoted By: >>13349512

8 badges, main plot, elite 4. It will be at least the same length of the other games, I dont see the problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:29:26 No.13349512 Report

Quoted By: >>13349529 >>13349648

>>13349499

I'm sure people are hoping for a good bit of post-game content as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:29:42 No.13349514 Report

Quoted By: >>13349527 >>13349535 >>13349545 >>13349573 >>13349727 >>13350856 >>13351419

3d models take less room that sprites.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:30:30 No.13349527 Report

Quoted By: >>13350664 >>13351474

>>13349514
only if the texture resolution is small, which doesn't seem the case there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:30:31 No.13349529 Report

Quoted By: >>13349606

>>13349512
Which is the funnest part.

Unfortunately it most likely will be short.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:31:05 No.13349535 Report

Quoted By: >>13350902

>>13349514
Bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:31:36 No.13349543 Report

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Don't the 3D models take up around the same, if not less space than sprites? For sprites you need a bunch of different drawings, for 3D models you just need one model and to program it a couple of animations. I could be wrong though, I'm just going off what I've read on here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:31:43 No.13349545 Report

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>>13349514
This models are barely nothing especially in a low res games like this. I bet the audio quality will be small sized. Almost 2 gigs is a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:31:43 No.13349547 Report

Quoted By: >>13350437 >>13350926

game really ends after about the 6th gym, culminating in a standoff with Team Flare gaining control of the legendary pokemon, and the screen fades to black with "...to be continued???" in big 3D letters.

sequel comes out next year

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:32:45 No.13349571 Report

Quoted By: >>13349660 >>13349744

>>13349482
I wouldn't expect quite as much content as B2W2, at least not from the initial versions. Considering how much they are experimenting with X and Y, I'd use BW as a basis, with a focus on the story and new Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:32:48 No.13349573 Report

Quoted By: >>13350258 >>13350902

>>13349514
[citation needed]

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:33:01 No.13349580 Report

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We've seen them skip corner with some model animations, such as taking a hit as people have complained about Golurk and Gogoat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:34:27 No.13349606 Report

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>>13349529
Don't really mind, I usually just focus on breeding and battling after the elite 4 anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:36:05 No.13349638 Report

Quoted By: >>13351104

How much does a 3DS cartridge hold?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:36:34 No.13349648 Report

Quoted By: >>13351171

>>13349512
First versions not named Gold and Silver always have small amounts of post game content.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:37:40 No.13349660 Report

Quoted By: >>13349697 >>13349704

>>13349571
That saddens me - B2W2 was such a complete game, I still haven't stopped playing it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:39:40 No.13349697 Report

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>>13349660
And that was one of their typical sprite games. Here they have to set the framework for 3d models and animation on everything plus the entire world. It will be basic. Then in the sequel it will be easier as they can just focus on expanding the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:39:59 No.13349704 Report

Quoted By: >>13349721

>>13349660
The second version is almost always better than the initial, unless you didn't like Yellow. You have to consider how much effort Gamefreak is putting into it already, and then how much better it will become once they get some feedback from XY. That is what made B2W2 such a complete experience, because it had BW to build off of.

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Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:41:04 No.13349721 Report

Quoted By: >>13349746 >>13349750 >>13349838 >>13350888

>>13349704
SO XY2 in 2015 right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:41:46 No.13349727 Report

Quoted By: >>13349860

>>13349514
>super mario is heavier than mario 64

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:42:20 No.13349744 Report

Quoted By: >>13349791

>>13349571
>I wouldn't expect quite as much content as B2W2

I hope they don't go down the B2W2 path. I want lots of post-game content, yeah, but not the way B2W2 did it. They only have so much post-game content because they blocked off a pretty big portion of the region, including the day care. I think you should be able to have post-game content without having to do that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:42:22 No.13349746 Report

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>>13349721
Depends, they could go with Pokemon Z, but they want more money, so I'm sort of expecting a ZX and ZY, possibly with more Mega Evolutions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:42:55 No.13349750 Report

Quoted By: >>13349830 >>13349844

>>13349721
Maybe even later. You just know after gen 5 that they are going to try and make this gen last as long as they can, now with mega forms and dlc it will be easy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:45:03 No.13349791 Report

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>>13349744
Good point on the Daycare, but at least you had plenty of room to grind your Pokemon and a little more than just another Battle Frontier. I'm expecting just general improvements for XY2, such as fixing some models and faster load times. As much as I'm looking forward to it, XY is bound to have some issues.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:46:54 No.13349830 Report

Quoted By: >>13349862

>>13349750
Honestly, I don't think remakes will be out of the question after XY. I recently started replaying Emerald and I'm starting to see the potential in 3D

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:47:19 No.13349838 Report

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>>13349721
Or W

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:47:28 No.13349844 Report

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>>13349750
>dlc
>implying that's new to Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:48:34 No.13349860 Report

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>>13349727

Oh the ignorance on this post amuse me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:48:40 No.13349862 Report

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>>13349830
I could see them coming two years later, then followed by X2/Z

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:51:05 No.13349911 Report

Quoted By: >>13350003 >>13350149

>>13349482
Don't forget all the items and actual attack animations. Also they still have sprites for each Pokemon in the menu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:55:28 No.13350003 Report

Quoted By: >>13350029

>>13349911
>menu sprites
Still not gonna take as much room as the battle sprites did, especially in the games where they animated them. Those had at least 3+ sprites for each Pokemon's appearance. Think about that for a sec; if a Pokemon had gender differences, that'd be 12+ sprites just for that Pokemon because of genders/shinies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:55:45 No.13350012 Report

Quoted By: >>13350050

HG/SS has two regions and it was half the size of B/W

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:56:50 No.13350029 Report

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>>13350003
Not saying they did, just pointing out that sprites still exist in some capacity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 18:58:14 No.13350050 Report

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>>13350012
Which is why size is not the issue here. It's will GF be able to make good post content without pouring all their time and resources into models, world design, animations etc etc. I'm not really sure this is a huge transition from their typical games so I get the feeling it will be lackluster content wise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:02:42 No.13350138 Report

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They can compress a lot of stuff. It isn't that hard.

It seems like they're really trying to go all out with this Generation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:03:21 No.13350149 Report

Quoted By: >>13351623 >>13351647

>>13349911
>sprites for each Pokemon in the menu
if you consider a 256 colour palette and 32*32 sprites that means each pokes only requires 1024 bytes for its sprite. so 1000 pokes takes 1 mo.
It's definitely not what takes memory in a modern game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:10:32 No.13350258 Report

Quoted By: >>13350796

>>13349573
The citation is looking it the fuck up
It's an absolute fact that Models take up less space than Sprites.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:15:59 No.13350358 Report

Quoted By: >>13350497

I heard that 3D models take up less space than sprites. That seemed wrong but Anons here seemed to believe it

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Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:20:19 No.13350437 Report

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>>13349547

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Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:21:46 No.13350462 Report

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pokedex 3d pro was around 400mb, and the models are debatably higher quality than the ones we've seen in x/y

there is a fuckton of room for content

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:23:50 No.13350497 Report

Quoted By: >>13350605

>>13350358
It's wrong, unless the textures you're using are smaller than Gen 4/5 sprites, which would be incredibly horrendous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:29:25 No.13350605 Report

Quoted By: >>13350801

>>13350497
Do you not remember how many frames the Gen 5 sprite animations had?
That's a fuckton of bitmaps and a fuckton of space.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:33:04 No.13350664 Report

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>>13349527
>doesn't seem the case here

The textures are extreme shitty and low-res. Overworld looks like a DS game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:40:54 No.13350796 Report

Quoted By: >>13350859 >>13350902

>>13350258
But thats wrong you fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:41:01 No.13350801 Report

Quoted By: >>13350927

>>13350605
>Do you not remember how many frames the Gen 5 sprite animations had?
it was actually often less than the two frame sprites of previous generations
the gen 5 sprites only had minor details change (mouths or whatever), which was less than redoing the whole thing
the "animation" itself was mostly actually flat 3d models being stretched or turned most of the time, not totally new chunks of data replacing the old ones

biggest difference with models taking less space is that you only need one model for all situations, unlike needing box sprites/overworld sprites/front sprites/back sprites/etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:44:06 No.13350856 Report

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>>13349514
>shitty 3d models take less room than detailed sprites
fixed that for you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:44:19 No.13350859 Report

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>>13350796
No, it isn't.
Look it the fuck up dipshit, 5 seconds on Google.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:46:31 No.13350888 Report

Quoted By: >>13350899 >>13350943

>>13349721
Very early 2015 though. Tbh, I think games are going to come out quicker, so 2014 there's gonna be some release as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:47:13 No.13350899 Report

Quoted By: >>13350945

>>13350888
> I think games are going to come out quicker
What makes you say that?

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Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:47:28 No.13350902 Report

Quoted By: >>13350918 >>13351009 >>13351408

>>13349573
>>13350796
>>13349535
Why do you think 2D fighting games are rare nowadays and those that exist have only a limited number of characters compared to 3D fighters? Harder to make as you need an enormous number of sprites, and that means a colossal amount of work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:48:33 No.13350918 Report

Quoted By: >>13350937

>>13350902
This is wrong on so many levels...

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Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:48:58 No.13350926 Report

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>>13349547

I think I would literally throw my XL out the window.

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Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:48:58 No.13350927 Report

Quoted By: >>13350957 >>13351030

>>13350801
You are an idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:49:44 No.13350937 Report

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>>13350918
Nice rebuttal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:50:04 No.13350943 Report

Quoted By: >>13351020

>>13350888
>3 releases on 3 years
Nigga you trippin

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:50:20 No.13350945 Report

Quoted By: >>13350961

>>13350899
Because they have been coming out quicker the last few years and I don't think GF will want to slow down and possibly lose the drag they have atm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:50:51 No.13350957 Report

Quoted By: >>13350988

>>13350927
You DO know that's just a motion tween, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:51:06 No.13350961 Report

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>>13350945
>Because they have been coming out quicker the last few years
They haven't

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Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:52:13 No.13350988 Report

Quoted By: >>13351008

>>13350957
They're all individual sprites. It's a fucking sprite based DS game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:53:03 No.13351008 Report

Quoted By: >>13351057 >>13351068 >>13351081

>>13350988
Ugh, it's like talking to a child.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:53:04 No.13351009 Report

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>>13350902
3D model work for a good fighting game requires just as much if not more work. It's just that it's easier to put in the game afterward.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:53:54 No.13351020 Report

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>>13350943
It's still what's gonna happen. The latest release date for the next game is March 2015, but I can see them going for Chistmas 2014 as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:54:22 No.13351030 Report

Quoted By: >>13351735

>>13350927
that's no impressive, at least not from a programer point of view.
Moltres is also a cherry picked case with animated flames on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:55:55 No.13351057 Report

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>>13351008
The sprites themselves were made with a tween the they're still individual sprites in the actual game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:56:49 No.13351068 Report

Quoted By:

>>13351008
Except he's right dude. There's new elements introduced during the movement that wouldn't be found in a motion tween.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:57:50 No.13351081 Report

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>>13351008
even if he's wrong about them all being individual sprites, it still takes a lot of information to map out and divide each individual part with a behavior.

for venusaur, the game needs to remember

Venusaur: head
Venusaur: body
etc.,

plus motion patterns and stretch patterns for them.

it's certainly more information per pokemon than any other handheld game.

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Yuffie 4441-9224-9380 !XoqD9FyCMM Sat 10 Aug 2013 19:59:09 No.13351104 Report

Quoted By: >>13351267

>>13349638
8 gigs is the max.
No games have even come close to that though, I think Resident Evil: Revelations was the closest, I believe it was almost 5 gigs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:00:55 No.13351136 Report

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Nah, data compression has come a long way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:02:59 No.13351171 Report

Quoted By: >>13351227

>>13349648
>Kanto
>Post-game

Kanto isn't post game, it's the second half of the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:07:14 No.13351227 Report

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>>13351171
>Kanto
>half of the game
It was 1/3 of the game at best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:10:14 No.13351267 Report

Quoted By: >>13351290

>>13351104
How much of it is actual gameplay, though?

My worry is that postgame will be almost nonexistent, what with the things we've been shown. Don't forget to double or triple the number of models because of shinies, gender differences and MegaEvolutions.
Now figuring most if not all will have their own attack animations and PokemonAmie animations, plus all that Super Training, it should take up quite a bit of space.
Then again I know nothing about how data stuff works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:11:43 No.13351290 Report

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>>13351267
>Don't forget to double or triple the number of models because of shinies

It doesn't work that way. There would be an alternate texture, not model.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:14:50 No.13351337 Report

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You know having all those textures in the game in the first place, making the campaign longer or shorter wouldn't bump it up much more, right?

Making lines of text don't bump up pure gigabytes of data and that's most of what a story mode would take. Setting up X NPC to Y location isn't all that much either if X NPC already exists.

Even hundred hour campaigns wouldn't actually take that much physical memory space.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:15:19 No.13351344 Report

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>>13349482
It's on the 3DS. If it is short they will find a way to compensate for it, even if it isn't going to be right away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:19:15 No.13351408 Report

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>>13350902
Not sure what you're on about here, but I can easily use Persona 4 Arena as an example. They use sprites for all characters, and they still had enough to include thousands of voice dialogue in the game for a good story. Where as, something like MVC3, they use 3D models, and that's all it had going for it as it wasn't a noteworthy story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:20:21 No.13351419 Report

Quoted By: >>13351522

>>13349514
As unbelievable as this may seem, it's actually true.
With sprites you have animation frames, which take up more space than just the data to make the 3D models move along with a texture, particularly if it's optimized. The Pokemon are the real culprits here, since they take animation frames for both the front and the back. Also it's pretty well known that each frame is drawn, although sometimes tweening is used, it's simply a technique they employ and not a coding trick.

It's only really true under the circumstances of pokemon though, where you have hundreds and hundreds of different sprites all with animations.
Everyone who's saying the anon is wrong has probably never dealt with such a huge amount of sprites before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:21:23 No.13351437 Report

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Level data and text requires an incredibly small amount of space.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:23:13 No.13351455 Report

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>>13349482
>implying writing up story events takes up nearly as much space as any of the above

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:24:49 No.13351474 Report

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>>13349527
The textures on the pokemon are mostly 1 part of the pokemon = 1 solid colour with like 5 colours. There's not much of a texture going on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:25:31 No.13351480 Report

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I don't think you guys realize how little storage space things like scripted story events and maps take in comparison to sprites and audio.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:29:14 No.13351522 Report

Quoted By: >>13351557 >>13351823

>>13351419
>it's actually true.
No it doesn't not at pokemon resolution with colour palette and 32*32 sprites. The texture file for the model alone is already big enough to contain the sprite sheet itself.
3d only save memory when you try to make multiple camera angles which isn't the case in pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:31:14 No.13351557 Report

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>>13351522
>with colour palette
Did you mean to put a number in there somewhere? Because if not, I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:34:41 No.13351623 Report

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>>13350149
Exactly. Now, a fully animated, higher resolution sprite like in BW, back and front, times two for shinies, possibly times two for gender differences, and having individual attack animations for physical / special attacks for every pokemon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:35:21 No.13351633 Report

Quoted By: >>13351672 >>13351729

i wish people would stop using the models as example. at most it's 100MB for 1000 models. have you seen those textures? absolutely low resolution, i mean holy fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:35:49 No.13351647 Report

Quoted By: >>13351801

>>13350149
>256 colour palatte with 32*32 sprites
>Recent pokemon
Are you high?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:37:00 No.13351672 Report

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>>13351633
This and the special effects like shinies are just slapped on particles. Most default pc game models are not even that huge. And here you got low res simple models.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:40:15 No.13351721 Report

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3D models are simple (relatively) strings of equations saying, draw a line here, make an enclosed shape here, fill it with X color or small texture. Sprites are patchworks of colors that are encoded line by line.

It's the difference between drawing a Pikachu on paper with a pencil and making an afghan with a Pikachu design. Which one takes more time and effort?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:40:26 No.13351729 Report

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>>13351633
no, the textures are good resolution, they are just nor detailed, but the pokes don't pixelizes much even when covered with lines

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:40:48 No.13351735 Report

Quoted By: >>13351825

>>13351030
It's 128 individual sprites. 256 if you have gender differences. That's a lot of data.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:44:24 No.13351801 Report

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>>13351647
the palette is definitely there (was lower in former gens). the sprites are actually collage of small pieces too so the sprite table isn't really big either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:45:29 No.13351823 Report

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>>13351522
Pokemon textures don't need to be big because they're mostly solid colors bordering other solid colors with a black line.You could make the texture sheet tiny or huge, it wouldn't look different applied to the model.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:45:35 No.13351825 Report

Quoted By: >>13351852 >>13351876

>>13351735
>256 if you have gender differences.
lol no. gender difference is a mask, it's not a full sprite table

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:47:10 No.13351852 Report

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>>13351825
Aren't they animated with the sprite in Gen 5?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:48:18 No.13351876 Report

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>>13351825
A mask still needs to be drawn.

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Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:48:28 No.13351879 Report

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>GF will never completely use a 3DS cartridge's worth of memory space

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Anonymous Sat 10 Aug 2013 20:48:37 No.13351882 Report

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Not sure why there's an argument about file size when 3DS cards can hold 8 gigs and X/Y are only 1.7 gigs.

They had more than enough room to do all the shit they wanted to do, and storyline content hardly takes up any space in the cartridge as it's mostly text, maps and location coordinates.

Take a good fucking look at the Kalos map and realize there is more than a shit ton of gameplay there. Notice how they broke it up into three fucking pokedexes? There's three parts to Kalos, each apparently having its own focus.

I bet you any money that one of those parts is only available after the game.

But seriously, the map itself has like over 50 different special locations like towers/caves/and shit, and a metric assload of routes.

Why is there even a debate here?

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