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Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:26:28 No.13366325 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13366348 >>13367261

Can we please nerf Spore in the next game

Spore is soo broken, you can win matches by just spamming Spore

Masuda

Masuda Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:27:29 No.13366338 Report

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Ok, will do :)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:27:52 No.13366345 Report

Quoted By: >>13366380 >>13366445

HEY GUYS, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS FAGGOT!
Fuck off, you just don't have enough skill to play around it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:28:02 No.13366348 Report

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>>13366325
le sleep clause face

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:28:05 No.13366350 Report

Quoted By: >>13366478

> Not using mushroompig + Mega Butterfree for maximum sleepmode

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:29:27 No.13366380 Report

Quoted By: >>13366393

>>13366345
>Spamming spore
>Skill

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAH

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:29:43 No.13366385 Report

Quoted By: >>13366419

>using trick room when amoongus is around
>not taunting amoongus with prankster thundurus

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:29:48 No.13366387 Report

Quoted By: >>13366490

>what is taunt

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:30:05 No.13366393 Report

Quoted By: >>13366476

>>13366380
that's the joke, it's Breloom saying it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:30:59 No.13366419 Report

Quoted By: >>13366598

>>13366385

> thundurus
> when tyranitar exists

enjoy losing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:32:38 No.13366445 Report

Quoted By: >>13366476

>>13366345
Of course it can be played against, if you want to dedicate your whole team to the task. Sleep clause exists to prevent over centralizing around sleep spam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:32:47 No.13366449 Report

Quoted By: >>13366476 >>13367020

Spore isn't the problem you dumb niggers, it's a move just like any other. You can easily build a team to deal with it, if you choose to ignore it as a threat then you deserve to get your shit wrecked.

>What is Taunt
>What is Torment
>What is Lum Berry
>What is Chesto Berry
>What is Insomnia

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:34:00 No.13366476 Report

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>>13366445
see
>>13366393

>>13366449
Overcentralisation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:34:05 No.13366478 Report

Quoted By: >>13367331

>>13366350
>implying pig
That's his mouth, like Smoochum's

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:35:02 No.13366490 Report

Quoted By: >>13366541 >>13367472

>>13366387
You have taunt on every single pokemon? You must be shit.

BXL

BXL Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:36:25 No.13366516 Report

Quoted By: >>13366551

lol italy just won the world championships because of spore spam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:37:03 No.13366527 Report

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Or maybe you should just kill the fucking Amoonguss outright instead of using your 2pro4u strategy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:37:51 No.13366541 Report

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>>13366490
What the fuck is the point in having a Prankster Thunderus if you're not Taunting and Thunderwaving everything on the field

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:38:14 No.13366551 Report

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>>13366516
Italy won because Japan fucked up, set up a Trick Room to make the Amoonguss on his opponents side always go first, and didn't Taunt it with his fucking Thundurus.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:40:35 No.13366598 Report

Quoted By: >>13366775

>>13366419
Do you not pay attention to VGC or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:44:03 No.13366650 Report

Quoted By: >>13366669 >>13366786

why is it no one on /vp/ seems to have the slightest clue how to properly play competitively

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:44:50 No.13366669 Report

Quoted By: >>13366696

>>13366650
What? Like Ryosuke?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:45:49 No.13366696 Report

Quoted By: >>13366779

>>13366669

Ryosuke mainly failed for that overprediction in the first turn. His other plays were okay-ish, but losing Heatran turn 1 with Mamoswine being out pretty much broke his neck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:47:50 No.13366744 Report

Quoted By: >>13367070

Both were at fault here. The kebab for spamming a cheap move and Ryosuke not having the foresight to stop it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:49:25 No.13366775 Report

Quoted By: >>13366909

>>13366598

I do. tyranitar is one of the most used in VGC and it rapes thundurus in every way. thundurus is good in vgc but it can't stand up to many things especially when cresselia walls it all day

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:49:50 No.13366779 Report

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>>13366696
>Mainly
What about the fact he KNEW that Amoonguss was on the team, and that it outslowed his team, and he still set up the Trick Room.
AND THE FACT HE HAD A FUCKING PRANKSTER THUNDURUS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:50:12 No.13366786 Report

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>>13366650
Because /vp/ doesn't know shit about Pokemon

Why do you think so many people were calling vgc players smogon or asking where entry hazards were?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:54:28 No.13366872 Report

Quoted By: >>13366944 >>13366952 >>13367024 >>13367077

There are people IN THIS VERY THREAD, who don't think spore is bullshit.

Spore causes you to have to have to take specific counters for 3 specific pokemon who have nothing else in common other than the move. It is on an entirely different level than saying bringing certain walls to wall a whole plethora of pokemon.

You have to bring certain counters to spore or you have essentially sacked atleast 1 pokemon (more with no sleep clause), into being useless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:56:26 No.13366909 Report

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>>13366775
What an interesting way to answer: no

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:58:25 No.13366944 Report

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>>13366872
While I'd be happy with sleep clause, there are already a plethora of counters that are commonly found in VGC. Taunt is huge because of thunder wave, and Lum is pretty common because of Swagger.

Only reason Ryosuke got anally devastated by Spore is because he played right into it, I don't think I've ever seen more than one Spore user in the top 8 before and it's certainly never won a match like this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 18:58:42 No.13366952 Report

Quoted By: >>13366975

>>13366872
If you don't have Taunt or something faster than Amoonguss you are going to lose anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:00:17 No.13366975 Report

Quoted By: >>13367041 >>13367065 >>13367072

>>13366952

What about breloom? What about smeargle? What if you can't one hit any of them because too bulky or lol sash?

There is more to it than ur2slow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:02:54 No.13367020 Report

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>>13366449

Let me contribute.

>What is Magic Coat
>What is Magic Bounce
>What is Safeguard
>What is Vital Spirit

There's lots of ways to deal with sleep already

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:03:09 No.13367024 Report

Quoted By: >>13367092 >>13367105

>>13366872
Dude if you have trouble killing a simple Amoonguss that's your own fault.

We're not talking about Speed Boost Blaziken or Gen 1 Mewtwo here. It's a fucking Grass/Poison type with shit Speed and no offense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:04:00 No.13367041 Report

Quoted By: >>13367063 >>13367105

>>13366975

Taunt them too! Their speeds are 70 and 75.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:05:03 No.13367063 Report

Quoted By: >>13367093

>>13367041

>Every pokemon has taunt, and is actually using it
>You always happen to have the right pokemon out when they throw out a spore user

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:05:11 No.13367065 Report

Quoted By: >>13367105

>>13366975
Amoongus is the only spore user that can take a hit in VGC and focus sash is useless on anything that can't survive in sandstorm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:05:29 No.13367070 Report

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>>13366744
Thanks for using kebab instead of pizzaboy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:05:43 No.13367072 Report

Quoted By: >>13367105

>>13366975
Breloom is a hell of a lot more fragile and has low speed as well. If it's got Technican then just status it.

As for Smeargle, I hope you're not being serious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:05:55 No.13367077 Report

Quoted By: >>13367105

>>13366872
You know taunt counter spore and trick room who is a common strategy, it's not a specific counter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:07:00 No.13367092 Report

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>>13367024
Yup, spore wasn't the decisive factor, it was Ryosuke setting trick room in favor of the amoonguss and not playing accordingly during the second match.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:07:05 No.13367093 Report

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>>13367063
>not having taunt in vgc

Spore is the least of your worries, have fun with parafusion and trick room.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:07:26 No.13367105 Report

Quoted By: >>13367136 >>13367204

>>13367024
>>13367041
>>13367065
>>13367072
>>13367077

>Every pokemon ever is a fast hard hitting taunt user

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:09:34 No.13367136 Report

Quoted By: >>13367161 >>13367178

>>13367105
>I'm going to pretend that Taunt is an extremely exclusive move that isn't learned by a large variety of Pokemon
>I'm going to pretend that there aren't Pokemon used specifically because they're good Taunt users

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Taunt_%28move%29

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:11:22 No.13367161 Report

Quoted By: >>13367196 >>13367232

>>13367136

>I'm going to pretend every taunt user is fast
>I'm going to pretend that the vast majority of taunt users, aren't shit taunt users
>I'm going to pretend that I always just happen to have my taunt user out when they decide to use a spore user

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:12:15 No.13367178 Report

Quoted By: >>13367205 >>13367232

>>13367136
>you're forced to build your team to deliberately counter Spore with Taunt as opposed to building your own strategy around it and having one/two Pokemon to check it
>this is not an overcentralized mess at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:13:27 No.13367196 Report

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>>13367161
>I'm going to pretend every taunt user is fast

Every Spore user is slow as shit.

>I'm going to pretend that the vast majority of taunt users, aren't shit taunt users

There are more good Taunt users than Spore users.

>I'm going to pretend that I always just happen to have my taunt user out when they decide to use a spore user

Learn to play.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:13:48 No.13367204 Report

Quoted By:

>>13367105
>I'm going to pretend that the majority of the team didn't have a prankster Thundurus with taunt

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:14:04 No.13367205 Report

Quoted By: >>13367277

>>13367178
>Spore is the only thing Taunt is used for

Keep being a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:15:26 No.13367232 Report

Quoted By: >>13367277

>>13367161
>implying a pokemon has to be fast to outspeed a spore user

>>13367178
>implying people mainly carry taunt to counter spore

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:18:12 No.13367261 Report

Quoted By:

>>13366325
Sweet veil in X and Y assuming it gets decent distribution and/or swirlix's line is worth using

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:19:23 No.13367277 Report

Quoted By: >>13367380

>>13367205
>>13367232
>in the current Nintendo VGC dual battle meta lacking Sleep Clause
That, and Trick Room.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:22:41 No.13367331 Report

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>>13366478
Wait there's actually people who think that's a nose?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:24:44 No.13367359 Report

Quoted By: >>13367371

Magic Bounce

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:25:42 No.13367371 Report

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>>13367359
synchro is illarious as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:26:30 No.13367380 Report

Quoted By: >>13367410

>>13367277
Trick room and thunder wave/swagger are far more common threats than spore in VGC, no one carries taunt for the sole purpose of countering spore

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:28:47 No.13367410 Report

Quoted By: >>13367437 >>13367466

>>13367380
But Trick Room can be countered in different ways, because it's really difficult to stop otherwise. Spore is mainly countered by using Taunt because countering Abilities usually aren't as good.
In addition, thunder wave and swagger aren't actually that common.
Furthermore, usage =/= brokenness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:29:17 No.13367420 Report

Quoted By: >>13367434 >>13367451

>not having one sleeptalker in your team

it's like you want to lose on purpose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:30:14 No.13367434 Report

Quoted By: >>13367474

>>13367420
>having a sleeptalker
>any year ever
It's unreliable as fuck.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:30:17 No.13367437 Report

Quoted By: >>13367465

>>13367410
>In addition, thunder wave and swagger aren't actually that common.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:30:24 No.13367442 Report

Quoted By: >>13367457

yet people comlpained insomnia on mega mewtwo was "a wasted slot".
/vp/ is illarious when you take it as a whole instead of threads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:31:15 No.13367451 Report

Quoted By:

>>13367420
Too unreliable outside of stall singles teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:32:02 No.13367457 Report

Quoted By:

>>13367442

This thread just popped up because some retard saw Ryosuke get Shrekt in the VGC finals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:32:14 No.13367465 Report

Quoted By: >>13367547

>>13367437
>We're talking double battles, a highly offensive metagame where wasting a slot for 50-50 confusion is crap
T-wave is worth it in theory and commonly used, I;ll give you that, but the move isnt remotely close to being broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:32:17 No.13367466 Report

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>>13367410

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:32:43 No.13367472 Report

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>>13366490
>what are leads

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:32:56 No.13367474 Report

Quoted By: >>13367509

>>13367434
Hello.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:35:03 No.13367509 Report

Quoted By: >>13367848

>>13367474
Okay, maybe "any year ever" is an exaggeration. It was pretty good in previous gens.
But there's a reason why Suicune isn't OU: Rest Talk is still an unreliable assfuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:37:34 No.13367543 Report

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when you go ona tournament and you know there's no sleep clause, you should be prepared because you rally fucking know why there's a sleep clause to begin with. sleep abuse is a very valid strategy if the rules allow it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:37:47 No.13367547 Report

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>>13367465
Swagger is used because it can be used both offensively and for combos with Lum. And if you're complaining about Spore destroying Ryosuke then you should have watched the Swagger filled match he played with Aaron.

Spore is better than twave, but it's distribution is shit. Twave is still a much bigger threat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:38:30 No.13367559 Report

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ITT: Salt

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:41:10 No.13367605 Report

Quoted By: >>13367647 >>13367665

what are you all even arguing about anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:43:52 No.13367647 Report

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>>13367605
Shut the fuck up, Tyrannosaurus Rex.

You had your time and now it's over. Go suck on a comet or whatever it is that fucked your ass into dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:44:34 No.13367665 Report

Quoted By: >>13367725

>>13367605

if Spore deserves a nerf or not

Personally, I'd rather they give will-o-wisp an accuracy boost and bring it in line with Spore and T-Wave

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:49:04 No.13367725 Report

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>>13367665
Hell no, Will o wisp is good as it is saying this as someone who uses it on almost every team

People are just overreacting because of the Will-o-miss and Spore filled matches. Both of those matches were complete flukes that don't represent how good those moves are in the actual meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:51:54 No.13367774 Report

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im gonna make a team of magic bounce users and win vgc thx /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 19:57:22 No.13367848 Report

Quoted By:

>>13367509
and yet i still rek many unprepared teams with crocune.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Aug 2013 21:43:27 No.13369361 Report

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>One spic buttrapes a chink with sleep
>OMGZ NERF THAT MOVE

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