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Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:06:14 No.13388548 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13388557 >>13388566 >>13388579 >>13388600 >>13389440 >>13389671

Hey /vp/, I've been a loyal fan of Pokemon ever since it came out, but the internet made me realize one thing:
I am a casual.
So, to better myself, I've been considering playing showdown a lot, but it sounds like you just entry hazard to win, and dragons take the stage. Can I get some helpful advice for a competitive newbie?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:07:14 No.13388557 Report

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>>13388548
Just quit now. It's not worth it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:07:59 No.13388564 Report

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Watch some WiFi battles on YouTube.
But you're probably better of waiting for XY to be released.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:08:26 No.13388566 Report

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>>13388548
I too am a casual seeking to change my casualness to noncasualness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:08:40 No.13388567 Report

Quoted By: >>13388581 >>13388605 >>13388615 >>13389425

Lurk in a showderp thread. Showderp, not Showdown. While you're talking shit about everybody, you'll actually pick up on a lot of the nuances of the metagame that you wouldn't get just soloing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:09:17 No.13388579 Report

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>>13388548
Wait for X and Y, shits gonna hit the fan with the fairy type and mega evolutions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:09:24 No.13388581 Report

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>>13388567
Whatever you do OP, just don't listen to this guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:11:20 No.13388600 Report

Quoted By: >>13388615 >>13388626

>>13388548
For the love of god don't start competitive battling NOW. Before you get to actually learn something, XY gonna change everything. Just wait for the XY release...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:11:55 No.13388605 Report

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>>13388567

I actually second this advice. Besides all the kekking, a sharp eye will notice things that will help in getting the competitive. I can say this from own experience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:12:37 No.13388610 Report

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Just keep playing matches over and over, building and rebuilding teams and learning as you go. Every failure teaches you something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:12:52 No.13388612 Report

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>>13388581
Also, THIS. The showderp thread is terrible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:13:13 No.13388615 Report

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>>13388600
Dubs confirm

>>13388567
This guy is full of shit.

Also your pic reminds me we still need a MEGAevolution for Lunatone/Solrock

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:14:01 No.13388626 Report

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>>13388600
That's the worst advice.
XY might change a lot but if you learn the basics now like prediction and team synergy, you won't have to go through that -during a changing, unstable metagame- when XY comes out, and along with likely doing horrible, you'll probably pick up a fuckton of bad habits that would only work when nobody has basic sets and are experimenting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:14:25 No.13388631 Report

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>>13388605
Yeah sure, you can go in the retarded shitpile you guys call SD or you can just look it up yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:17:24 No.13388664 Report

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>>13388615
>MegaSolrock/MegaLunatone
>The only way to activate their megastones are to have them both in your team holding megastones
>they both fuse and become MegaSoltone
>It looks like Earth

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:25:01 No.13388733 Report

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>>13388626
You're an idiot. Many nuances that are important to the meta will change. Think how much stuff you just need to memorize to be able to do anything in competitive battling. By the time XY is released, OP will still be in his learning phase and will get a lot of shit mixed up. Team synergy will likely change in the next gen. 4 to 5 was the the the transition that changed the least by far, but it doesn't look like 5 to 6 gonna change this little as well. Remember that the FWG core is a gen 5 thing. Hyper offense was unplayable in 386, now it's a half-way legitimate strategy. 386 had the team split into offense and allround walls, in gen 4 type coverage became much more important. Gen 4 still had dedicated leads.
And if OP wants to train his prediction skills, he may just as well play his favorite card game. You can practice reading humans fucking everywhere. The Pokémon-specific aspects of prediction will come by knowing the meta well, which he cannot do atm because no one still gives a fuck about the BW meta. Starting with a dead meta is the worst you can do.
On the contrary, the experimental phase of XY will be ideal, because OP could grow with the metagame. In the beginning, the difference between him and top players won't be as clear as it would be in BW now. The meta is always changing, that's the fun part about it. You bets learn to swim by being thrown into the water not by walking through a stinky swamp (the best visualization for the BW meta I have).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:27:01 No.13388750 Report

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>>13388733
Does anyone else imagine this guy with a fedora and a trenchcoat?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:40:26 No.13388899 Report

Quoted By: >>13388924 >>13388935

>>13388750
lay off the trenchcoats, I luvs dem.
But he kinda has a point.
As a casual seeking competition, I've joined at least 1 or 2 battles in each gen. Gen V seems to be the worst so far honestly. It's all just sneaky pebbles and switching.

I'm still waiting for them to make a battle mode where you can only switch (blindly) whenever your poke is taken down. SE would be easily nerfed then, and roar/whirlwind would be a godsend to all SE users. It'd really make your individual mons shine instead of treating your team as a preconceived set.
That'd make having a mon that is /purely/ setup almost worthless, as it would be on it's own. However, balance here is key. Hyper offence would be killed in the face of a well-prepared defensive team
>longass spoiler

But anyway, waiting till gen 6 is a bad idea just because you need to be ready for that gap in powers to dwindle at the opening of the meta in gen 6.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:42:48 No.13388924 Report

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>>13388899
SR**
wtf brain

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 01:44:30 No.13388935 Report

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>>13388899
>stealth rock is broken
>I've joined at least 1 or 2 battles in each gen. Gen V seems to be the worst so far honestly. It's all just sneaky pebbles and switching.
Seriously?

That battle mode idea is just awful.

I legitimately can't tell how much of that is the usual "pretending to be retarded" act.
What makes you feel qualified to spout these kinds of opinions when you preface them with that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 02:02:07 No.13389099 Report

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>>13388935
SR has always been kinda broken. That's why nearly EVERYONE uses it. Just like Dragons and Outrage. Up until recently, all I heard on /vp/ was how dragons were 'press outrage to win' and SR needed a nerf.

Hell, that's ALL I've encountered with Gen V competitive battles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 02:07:41 No.13389159 Report

Quoted By: >>13389601 >>13389718

>>13388935
And besides, that idea would be great. It's more true to how Pokemon was made and it forces faggots who rely on switching every freakin turn and trying to predict which smogon set a mon has, into making their pokes good enough to stand on their own in most situations.

If you don't like it, doesn't bother me. I'd much rather do it like that.

>Poke 1A and 1B are sent out, no switching without use of a move/item/ability
>Poke 1A defeated, both players blind switch

This makes leads a thing again and makes it where you're not constantly 'predicting the switch' because that's pretty unrealistic in terms of fucking monster battles.

Switching using a pseudo-max priority move slot just doesn't make sense.

It's more like an interruption, just fucking annoying IMO.

Hell, I edit every ROM I play to make it where I blind-switch into new mons and I don't switch in battle.

I much prefer it that way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 02:28:23 No.13389425 Report

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>>13388567
For the most part, Showderp sucks at battling. There might be a few decent champs left, but they've pretty much chased all the good ones away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 02:29:18 No.13389440 Report

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>>13388548
OP
Don't Showdown
Just breed
Breed and fight
Breed and fight and train
Train and win
Win

And wait

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 02:39:49 No.13389601 Report

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>>13389159
>u-turn and voltswitch
>anything with sleep/setup move
>perish song

That has to be the most easily broken meta I've ever heard of.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 02:44:50 No.13389671 Report

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>>13388548
Spectate OU battles to learn about viability. Read up on Smogon. Start of with random battles.

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Anonymous Tue 13 Aug 2013 02:47:32 No.13389718 Report

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>>13389159
> It's more true to how Pokemon was made

The games are not the anime. You cannot aim for the horn. Why would you keep a Pokemon in against something that is going to thrash it no problem?

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