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Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 09:41:08 No.13496847 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13496868 >>13496876 >>13497242 >>13497250 >>13497489 >>13498763

Sylveon Base 95 HP confirmed?

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Phyrro [B2] 1765 3505 7271 [SS] 3827-0561-8298 !wJaxeehRtQ Wed 21 Aug 2013 09:45:52 No.13496868 Report

Quoted By: >>13496916 >>13497652 >>13498572 >>13498661

>>13496847
95/65/60/65/130/110

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 09:47:04 No.13496876 Report

Quoted By: >>13496962

>>13496847
Muh bulky Jolteon plz

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 09:51:02 No.13496888 Report

Quoted By: >>13496892 >>13496893

Why can't someone just get us a screenshot of all its stats?

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Phyrro [B2] 1765 3505 7271 [SS] 3827-0561-8298 !wJaxeehRtQ Wed 21 Aug 2013 09:51:56 No.13496892 Report

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>>13496888
The Status screens are blocked off in the Demo. Yes, really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 09:52:00 No.13496893 Report

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>>13496888
They lock the status screen during the demo.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 09:55:26 No.13496908 Report

Quoted By: >>13496945

tfw we still know basically jack shit about the new pokemon's stats

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 09:57:01 No.13496916 Report

Quoted By: >>13496922

>>13496868
yeah... about that... It got outsped by a gabite of the same level. gabite has 82 base speed. so much for that 110 speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 09:57:51 No.13496922 Report

Quoted By: >>13496937 >>13496941

>>13496916
It outsped a Salamence in another trailer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:03:47 No.13496937 Report

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>>13496922
There's a good chance that it got hit for demonstration's sake. Link to trailer?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:04:46 No.13496941 Report

Quoted By: >>13496943 >>13497249

>>13496922
>implying that salamence wasn't holding an iron ball to demonstrate sylveon's attack without having to have salamence take its turn.

regardless though, from where they started the clip, you can't tell that they didn't just make it so salamence already took its turn. face it, sylveon's gonna be slow and bulky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:05:35 No.13496943 Report

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>>13496941
Not that it's that bad. Vaporeon manages, after all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:06:20 No.13496945 Report

Quoted By: >>13496956

>>13496908
Well we Froakie is the fastest starter then Chespin and Fennekin being the slowest.
Fennekin can take a STAB Hydro Pump and still be alive. Chespin can tank the most damage. Froakie seems frail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:06:34 No.13496946 Report

Quoted By: >>13496958 >>13496984

95/60/65/110/130/65
screencap this post so you'll all remember the exact moment I was right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:07:31 No.13496956 Report

Quoted By: >>13496970

>>13496945
>Fennekin can take a STAB Hydro Pump and still be alive

sauce?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:07:48 No.13496958 Report

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>>13496946
I've pretty much deduced it to that as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:09:42 No.13496962 Report

Quoted By: >>13496964

>>13496876
more like muh Umbreon that can actually attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:11:40 No.13496964 Report

Quoted By: >>13496969

>>13496962

Umbreon that gains GOESFAST in exchange for no physical bulk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:13:35 No.13496969 Report

Quoted By: >>13496985

>>13496964
have you not read the thread? it got outsped by a gabite. its got a base speed lower than 82. i.e. 60 or 65. how dense can you be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:13:37 No.13496970 Report

Quoted By: >>13496973 >>13496980

>>13496956
Well if this video is correct https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UPXsSNzSvLg and said Politoed use Hydro Pump. There was a video from the Japan demo that showed Froakie using the exact same move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:14:53 No.13496973 Report

Quoted By: >>13496980 >>13496999

>>13496970
that could mean that froakie has a low special attack stat though, not that fennekin is bulky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:16:58 No.13496980 Report

Quoted By: >>13497225

>>13496973
>>13496970
Or Hydro Pump may share the same animation with another water move.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:18:15 No.13496984 Report

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>>13496946
I'd agree with it. People are too focused on the crit hydro pump to notice how much damage Sylveon was doing to politoed. I ran a calc for comparison.
Jolteon using Aura Sphere (110Sp.A, 90BP move) is the equivalent to 110Sp.A Sylveon using fairy kiss (60BP*1.5STAB). After the fairy kiss Politoed ended up at around half HP. however it had already taken 20% damage from the two Life Orb attacks (ice beam on noivern and hydro pump on sylveon). Max roll is about 30%, so it works out perfectly assuming Lv50/0 IVs/0 EVs/neutral nature

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:18:23 No.13496985 Report

Quoted By: >>13497010 >>13497123

>>13496969

have you not read the thread? it got undersped by a politoed. It's got a base speed higher than 70, i.e. 110 or 130. how dense can you be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:20:33 No.13496999 Report

Quoted By: >>13497003 >>13497011

>>13496973
This. A lot of pokemon have moves that are WORTHLESS on them. Fucking Peck on Empoleon, for instance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:21:19 No.13497003 Report

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>>13496999
Yeah, but Peck still makes sense. I mean, it's got a beak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:24:16 No.13497010 Report

Quoted By: >>13497018

>>13496985
why don't you watch the video again you blind nigger? politoed went first, used hydro pump, sylveon lived and killed it with moon blast. god you're fucking stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:24:51 No.13497011 Report

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>>13496999
For in-game use, peck can take care of grass types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:25:12 No.13497013 Report

Quoted By: >>13497024

Assuming WPM's leaker was correct, Shadow Ball+Fairy Attack hits everything neutrally outside of Girafarig, Houndoom, Heatran, and Litleo (evolutions may not be part normal though). I'm sure we'll get some more gen 6 pokemon that resist this combination but if this thing gets calm mind it'll be incredible with fairy kiss/shadow ball/cm/wish

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:25:55 No.13497018 Report

Quoted By: >>13497019

>>13497010
it was in trick room

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:26:45 No.13497019 Report

Quoted By: >>13497053

>>13497018
Trick Room was over.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:27:03 No.13497024 Report

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>>13497013
its special bulk alone will be my reason for using it. fuck you specs latios.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:34:02 No.13497053 Report

Quoted By: >>13497058

>>13497019

Turn 1: Gallade uses Trick Room
Turn 2: Gallade gets KOed
Turn 3: Politoed KOs Noivern
Turn 4: Politoed outspeeds Sylveon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:36:13 No.13497058 Report

Quoted By: >>13497090

>>13497053
What about if Politoad has a bad nature and 0 ivs, it is on a trick room team afterall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:47:14 No.13497090 Report

Quoted By: >>13497131

>>13497058
They were using Pokésav'd Pokémon. His Politoed had max HP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:53:53 No.13497123 Report

Quoted By: >>13497135

>>13496985
The average speed for sylveon if it had 110 speed (assuming neutral nature and middling EV's and IV's) would be about 288. The max speed a Gabite can possibly have is 289 meaning that, in order for the Sylveon in the english trailer shown to be outsped, that Gabite had to have maxed out speed EV's with a speed boosting nature and 31 IV's in speed. Keep in mind the Sylveon he was playing with also had to be absolutely average to not outspeed with a speed stat that good. Hopefully you realize how incredibly unlikely that is.

Also, inb4 autism for putting this much research into this. It just bugs me how wrong you are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:56:15 No.13497131 Report

Quoted By: >>13497139

>>13497090
that doesn't in any way invalidate his point. it could have very likely been max hp, max spA. the low speed stands to reason on a trick room team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:56:46 No.13497135 Report

Quoted By: >>13497152

>>13497123
I'm pretty sure the demo players were given perfect Pokémon IV-wise with no EVs and Neutral natures. Every one I've seen has had the exact same HP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:57:46 No.13497139 Report

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>>13497131
Yeah I misread his post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 11:00:23 No.13497152 Report

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>>13497135
then with a base 110 or 130 speed stat it would've outsped. and it didn't.

base 60 or 65 speed confirmed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 11:11:55 No.13497211 Report

Quoted By: >>13497215 >>13497228

So how many Eeveelutions can ever happen if they keep the same base stat pool?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 11:12:46 No.13497215 Report

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>>13497211
Well, 18. One for each type if they want to include Normal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 11:15:35 No.13497225 Report

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>>13496980
wat

Pokemon attacks since Gen 3 do not share animation

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 11:16:39 No.13497228 Report

Quoted By: >>13497234

>>13497211

6 possible stats to put the 130 in, for each of those there are 5 options to put the 110 in, for each of those there are 4 options to put the 95 in, for each of those there are 3 options to put the 60 in. Then you put 65 in the final two.

So 360 possible combinations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 11:18:37 No.13497234 Report

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>>13497228
xbox port of XandY confirmed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 11:20:20 No.13497242 Report

Quoted By: >>13497246

>>13496847
how do we know it has 31 HP EV?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 11:22:06 No.13497246 Report

Quoted By: >>13497247

>>13497242
All of the Sylveon in the demos have had 106 HP. It's pretty safe to assume they're perfect in all stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 11:23:08 No.13497247 Report

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>>13497246
>assume
>save

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 11:23:48 No.13497249 Report

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>>13496941
I'd rather have that and the 110 stat being Sp.Atk. than 65 in both attack stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 11:23:54 No.13497250 Report

Quoted By: >>13497368

>>13496847
whoa where are you playing this demo at

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Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 11:25:44 No.13497257 Report

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>95 HP
>110 SPEED
>130 S.DEF

WE LATIAS NOW

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 11:48:45 No.13497368 Report

Quoted By: >>13497403

>>13497250
It's not me, but it's at Gamescon in Germany.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 11:53:54 No.13497403 Report

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>>13497368
Why is it in English then lol

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Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 12:14:36 No.13497489 Report

Quoted By: >>13498559 >>13498567

>>13496847
Sorry, mate, but this makes much more sense.

Sylveon has base 110 HP, not 95

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 12:55:27 No.13497652 Report

Quoted By: >>13498559

>>13496868
>95/65/60/65/130/110
>65/60

No, fuck you. Make it different at least for once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 13:05:49 No.13497683 Report

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But I wanted a 95/60/65/130/65/110 sylveon ;-;

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 17:01:19 No.13498500 Report

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmMvLYPbBKw

level 30 - 106 PV.
Which means it has 110 BS PV if 0 IV, or 95 if 31 IV. 0 EV in both cases.

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Phyrro [B2] 1765 3505 7271 [SS] 3827-0561-8298 !wJaxeehRtQ Wed 21 Aug 2013 17:08:14 No.13498559 Report

Quoted By: >>13498863

>>13497489
Politoed in the Exhibiton match had 197 HP at Level 50; so it had to of had 31/252 HP

I know that was for a 'competitive' battle, but still, We don't have any reason to assume they have everything locked at 0 IV

>>13497652
What would you say, then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 17:09:18 No.13498567 Report

Quoted By: >>13498575

>>13497489
The Sylveon was level 50 though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 17:10:06 No.13498572 Report

Quoted By: >>13498721

>>13496868
95/60/65/110/130/65

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 17:10:16 No.13498575 Report

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>>13498567
Woops, nevermind, I was thinking about the demo battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 17:21:30 No.13498661 Report

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>>13496868
>Shit offensive stats
>Can one-shot Hydreigon, Haxorus and Salamence

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Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 17:26:49 No.13498704 Report

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Sylveon has the same HP Stat as an umbreon would at level 50 with 0 IVs. Umbreon has 95 Base HP. If it had 31 IVs in HP it would be 186. As for having 106 HP at level 30, it's IVs are full 31. It's not mystery guys. Sylveon has base 95 HP.

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Phyrro [B2] 1765 3505 7271 [SS] 3827-0561-8298 !wJaxeehRtQ Wed 21 Aug 2013 17:28:09 No.13498721 Report

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>>13498572
I could see that, and would be okay with it.
I based my first post off of the assumption it was seen out speeding a Salamence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 17:31:40 No.13498763 Report

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>>13496847
This was confirmed over a week ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 17:43:32 No.13498863 Report

Quoted By: >>13498883

>>13498559
the 106 HP thing is from the demo, where it is @ Lv30.
Moreover, we can't see the HP stat of Sylveon in the exhibition...

I'll just give you some more food for thought.
252+ SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD (custom 95 HP / 130 SpD) in rain on a critical hit: 211-250 (104.45 - 123.76%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD (custom 110 HP / 130 SpD) in rain on a critical hit: 211-250 (97.23 - 115.2%) -- 81.25% chance to OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Aug 2013 17:45:09 No.13498883 Report

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>>13498863
95 base 252 EVs: 202 HP
110 base 252 EVs: 217 HP
at Level 50

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