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>>13500798 They're awesome that's what they are.
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Dunno. Always assumed they were just Pokémon with some relation to the afterlife and the occult.
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>>13500798 Since Ghost Pokemon can breed, I think it's fair to say that they aren't actually 'Ghosts' per se, but rather the Pokemon equivalent of Demons. I think that would be a better term.
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OP's a fucking retard... THEY'RE GHOST TYPES!
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>>13500823 >inb4 Pokemon X SMT Anonymous
>>13500823 wouldn't that be dark pokemon, since the are "evil" type?
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I'd say they're spirits.
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>>13500923 >evil That term is too subjective for it to be taken seriously, in my humble opinion.
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I have a theory, and it has to do with Giratina. It is antimatter. Insubstantial. Ghost types are the same. Insubstantial. They aren't real spirits, but they do have a weird not-quite-there existence. Can they transition to the Distortion World and possibly other realms? Maybe. If there is an afterlife, certainly that. I wouldn't call Distortion World the afterlife, though. Not even Hell. It's more like the cosmic junkyard, and Giratina the junkyard dog.
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>>13500949 Dark type in Japan is called "Evil type".
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They're things that were once human or have been mysteriously brought to life, like haunted objects or something. Take the Chandelure line for example.
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>>13500798 Some are literally the ghosts of other pokemon, some are just "undead", and some are merely "ghostly" and insubstantial.
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>>13500949 I would say that they have some "mean" features to them
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>>13500949 You are so fucking stupid.
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>>13500964 I'm aware of that, but that doesn't make the term, 'evil' any less subjective. Ghost types seem to be the most mischievous in nature, which I feel better describes them.
>>13500970 Every type of Pokemon has its mean variants. Why are you being so prejudice :(
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>No Golurk on the list
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>>13500798 I think any non corporeal pokemon would be considered a "ghost" type, regardless of how supernatural it is
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>>13501010 >Why are you being so prejudice BUt not the type in general.
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>>13500923 Dark refers more to underhanded tactics, with moves like sucker punch
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>>13501010 If you think Dark aren't all malicious, then why do you think Ghosts are? Maybe there are ghosts who don't really mean harm but are rather pranksters, or maybe they aren't that at all, and there are nice ones, it's just that being insubstantial makes them creepy.
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they aren't anything different from the other types. "ghost" type is just a label given to them by humans.
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>>13501076 I didn't say Dark Types weren't malicious; I said I don't consider them evil. My issue lies with the word, 'evil' itself. Malicious =/= Evil. I think the whole 'good/evil' labeling should disappear altogether, since both are entirely up to the perspective of the individual.
I'm getting off topic.
Have this.
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>>13501069 pretty much being ruthless?
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They are incorporeal.
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>>13501082 haha le funny oneyng video! another cool still of funny face xD
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Drifblim is so fucking shit why does it exist fucking shitty balloon I hate it piece of shit its literally a balloon fucking cunt.
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>>13501241 stop being a dick, dick.
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They are ghost.
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They're souls of the dead who either manifest as ghosts/wraiths or choose to possess objects, or they're electromagnetic energy that came from another dimension.
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>>13501076 According to most dex entries, Ghosts are innately dickish and haunting. God damn Drifloon steals kids for no apparent reason.
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I think that ghost pokemon are just creatures with bizarre powers. Many seem to be multi-dimensional being (able to pass through walls, some are privy to other realms like the spirit realm or the Distortion World, shape-shifting and mimicry). They may have a fascination with death and are drawn to places of death. Humans just attach superstition to them because they are so otherworldly.
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>>13501256 if serious, drifloom is a cool concept. Looks like a harmless object, and takes advantage of that. But it isn't "good" enough to be a basic only pokemon. Its evolution makes sense to be a hot air balloon
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>>13501256 You shut your bitch mouth.
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>>13501326 No fuck you Drifblim. You a shit.
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>>13501382 Kiss a dick, you shabby nabble blabber!
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>>13501140 I know that. Malicious isn't entirely correct, either, though. True, they can inadvertently cause harm to others, but to say that's what they're about doesn't feel right. That's why I like to think they're also reclusive. They do what they can in a world where survival is the first priority. You either hide and sneak around, or you fight in whatever way you can, even if it is dirty. True, such intentions are easily misguided, but that isn't to say they all are. Absol itself only wishes to help others, but instead, it gets blamed for it, all because it looks nasty. I say Dark types need the most love of all, and if they return it, then you know they are yours alone, for to win their affection is to be as intimate as possible.
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>>13501413 I like you. Henceforth, I'm going to consider you a Dark Type Gym Leader. Congratulations!
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>>13500823 I think Shedinja is probably the only actual Ghost.
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>>13501413 >Absol itself only wishes to help others, but instead, it gets blamed for it, all because it looks nasty And having really shitty timing, even if it's on purpose.
Though from the sounds of things Dark Types seem to just be more pessimistic than "Evil", despite what the Japanese seems to call them.
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>>13501280 Better than stealing them for a very obvious reason, like Hypno.
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>>13501273 Thank you
Ghost pokemon are actual ghosts just in the form of pokemon. Not all of the dead turn into pokemon, and not only dead pokemon become ghost pokemon. The pokedex tells you what each one is for the most part if you use some common sense.
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>>13501612 The Pokedex completely contradicts a lot on in-game stuff though. Like it says Banette is a doll that some little shit through away, but how can that be true if it just evolves from a Shuppet?
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>>13501612 The pokedex also has a lot of superstitious shit in it.
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>>13501612 So are there just a whole lot of dead spirits waiting for someone to start breeding other Ghosts so they can have something to do?
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>>13500798 Pretty much everything people said is right.
Some actually are the spirits of the dead, like Yamask and Spiritomb.
Others have a connection to the afterlife, like Dusknoir.
Some are just phantasmal in appearance an substance, like Sableye and Misdreavus.
Some are possessed objects, like Lampent and Honedge.
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>>13500923 Dark means more sneaky and dishonest, not DAH FORCES OF DARKNESS.
It's more "Rogue" type.
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>>13501612 >Indian Elephant Duster
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>>13501010 Yeah heck Absol straight up saves people from natural disasters.
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>>13501461 But Yamask is the ghost of a human, and spiritomb is made out of souls, wouldn't they count as ghosts?
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If Ghost pokemon are really ghosts, then it makes no sense for them to be the way they are since they would know what they were in life, at least hopefully, so unless they were just that way in life, then it makes no sense. True, this seems to evoke the more stereotypical view of ghosts, but for some of them, it wouldn't explain how come they seem insubstantial. Also, if pokemon can have any personality, then it would be wrong to assume that an entire type is just one personality.
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>>13501809 Only theoretically.
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>yfw Spiritomb is the result of failed early attempts at making Pokeball-like tools, resulting in the captured pokemon being converted into a form of energy but unable to be returned to its proper form
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>>13501809 They both fall into the problem of their Dex entries being completely contradicted by breeding though. How can Spiritomb be a bunch of cursed spirits when you can crank out dozens of them with the help of a Ditto?
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>>13502134 Ditto kills people and then stuffs them into a rock. He then stuffs the rock in an eggshell.
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>legit discussion about what ghost types are
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>>13502064 Your headcanon is gay
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>>13502134 But this argument can be countered by the show.
I think that a compromise could be reached though.
What would you say to Spiritomb's dex entry chronicling the creation of the first Spiritomb, maybe even the first, let's say ten, and all others being their descendants?
Yamask's entry though implies that they are able to rip people from limbo, heaven, hell, or whatever the Pokemon equivalent is when you breed them, so I'll leave that one alone.
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>>13502197 I thought it while I was taking a dump. That might explain its shittyness.
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>>13501280 >God damn Drifloon steals kids for no apparent reason. >not being able to separate fact in the Pokédex from legend I bet you believe Wartortle live for 10,000 years too, don't you?
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>>13500958 Kinda like Cerberus but without a Hades?
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>>13502134 Breeding in itself is an inexplicable mess. It's useless to tell these people that the game doesn't explain anything, though. They'll go on pretending that people just stand there waiting for you to cross their line of sight like robots and that everything in the pokeworld is pretty much automated and like going to Disneyland, only scarier, and that kiddie BS is real and that all pokemon battles are like medieval combat for some arbitrary reason, even for the people who really shouldn't believe in honor or fairness. Yeah, you go on believing that, you'll pretty much just win the all time dupe award. I bet you still think Sandy Claws is real.
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>>13502291 >It is whispered that any child who mistakes Drifloon for a balloon and holds on to it could wind up missing. Pretty much confirms it's an old wives's tale.
>It tugs on the hands of children to steal them away. However, it gets pulled around instead. If it gets pulled around instead, then how would anyone think it's trying to steal children, let alone be capable of it? People making shit up, yo.
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>>13502321 haha make me :P
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yamask are dead humans
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>>13502291 >>13502291 >not having a 10,000 year old wartortle Anonymous
>>13502311 Well, I didn't consider what I was saying. Giratina still rules the Distortion World and is the master of all it represents, but it's also like a sort of guardian, too.
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>>13501049 I like that. Ghost is really the "non-corporeal" type.
>>13502354 I think that's the reason for the legend, their pulling. It's trying to get away from the damned kids. It isn't necessarily trying to steal them.
Drifloon probably tell stories of the "little humans" who like to steal Drifloons away, and those would be right.
Not to mention that Drifblim could easily take a child, but doesn't. Does the urge to steal people suddenly go away when they evolve?
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>>13502414 So it's Cerberus AND Hades
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>>13502428 No because the Distortion World isn't Hell. As far as I know, the underworld Hades ruled over was.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong?
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>>13500958 >cosmic junkyard I like that description.
I like it a lot.
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>>13502494 "Hell" is generally used to specify the Judo-Christian underworld ruled over by Lucifer. It is also the name of the Norse goddess of death "Hel" who lived in a polar opposite environment depicted in Judo-Christian lore.
The Underworld depicted in Greek Mythology was collectively named Hades, after it's owner (because you can't be a Greek god without a giant, throbbing ego), though it's split up in several sections depending on who/what dwells there.
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why is he so perfect?
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>>13502425 >"little humans" who like to steal Drifloons away, made me smile
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>>13502545 But it's where bad people go when they die, right?
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>>13502545 >(because you can't be a Greek god without a giant, throbbing ego) I lol'd
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>>13502586 Not specifically. In Greek mythology EVERYONE goes to Hades when they die, unless they can't pay the toll to get across the River Styx. Hell, Elysium is the Greek "heaven" and it's not only attached to Hades, but you have to be reincarnated from Tartarus three times in order to go there.
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>>13502428 The issue I had was the Distortion World can't be the underworld because it's supposed to be this place where all the things that would imbalance this world go. I couldn't justify sending souls there since good and evil is a point of view, not a fact. Also, souls aren't junk, they can be recycled. Yveltal also messed things up since it's technically Death and not Giratina. This is what changed my view on it.
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>>13502626 Maybe Yveltal is just a Reaper. That would fix the continuity error.
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>>13502624 >Not specifically. In Greek mythology EVERYONE goes to Hades when they die, unless they can't pay the toll to get across the River Styx. Hell, Elysium is the Greek "heaven" and it's not only attached to Hades, but you have to be reincarnated from Tartarus three times in order to go there. Alright, I learned something today. Still isn't the same as Distortion World really.
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>>13502654 Perhaps not, given that the Distortion World's sole natural inhabitant is Giratina (last I checked), but then again the common theory I hear is that Giratina is supposed to represent Anti-Matter.
>>13502657 Cute, but overall irrelevant.
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>>13502657 Is this supposed to be a Chandelure gijinka?
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>>13502643 Dusknoir is already the reaper though.
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>>13502701 Didn't some other guy say a few nights ago that Yvetal is supposed to be a Wyvern?
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>>13500798 They are ghosts.
captcha: onsifi tired
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At first I thought ghosts were just spirits in general, as in the western interpretation of spirits.
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>>13502751 GH-OST BLOWJOB
WOO HOOOO
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>>13502745 It takes most of its design elements from a wyvern, but it's based on the blind eagle at the top of the celtic world tree.
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they are arbitrary things or things that make no sense because it's just pokémon
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>>13502425 >Does the urge to steal people suddenly go away when they evolve? The PMD series confirms that evolution can mean a change in personality entirely. Obviously that doesn't mean everything changes its personality when it evolves but I'm sure plenty of things do, especially since a Pokemon's evolution is often equated with maturity.
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>>13502836 Does it confirm it confirm it or do they just change what they say when you talk to them? Because the latter is arguable.
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>>13502836 Oh yeah, because Lombre was worried about becoming carefree.
Why do I remember that Anonymous
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>>13501413 You are worthy of Gym Leader title if you were THIS passionate about it. Awesome nigga!
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>>13502836 PMD isn't made by GameFreak and should be considered its own canon.
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>>13502871 >Oh yeah, because Lombre was worried about becoming carefree. More like worried about becoming a stereotype.
>implying spin-off games are canon Anonymous
>>13502846 See this
>>13502871 >>13502890 This is a valid point.
>>13502894 >implying spin-off games are canon Ranger is 100% canon.
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>>13502900 >Ranger is 100% canon. Let me rephrase this to
>implying most spin-off games are canon In Pokémon Snap Chansey is able to form itself into a tiny ball and roll around.
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>>13502688 she can be whatever her trainer wants her to be~
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>>13502913 >In Pokémon Snap Chansey is able to form itself into a tiny ball and roll around Well yeah no shit. It learns Rollout.
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>>13502915 So you're saying she's a Ditto?
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>>13502915 No thanks, tits are too big and you lack ass.
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>>13502935 how mean anon, you raised her since she was a itty bitty litwick
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>>13502935 Hey, I think she's adorable. Sure, maybe they're a bit large for her form, but she's just trying to look good for her trainer.
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>>13502935 she did it to hug you anon
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http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ghost_World What the fuck has been going on in this thread?
They're dead spirits, read the fucking pokedex
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>>13503274 Huh. That's some neat ass shit right there, didn't know about that.
Anyway,
1. The Pokédex isn't always right and
2. Golurk is ghost type but has no reason whatsoever to be connected to the Ghost World.
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>>13502771 Do you have to yell that every time?
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>>13503317 >1. The Pokédex isn't always right wut
Sauce on this?
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>>13503400 Magcargo is hotter than the sun as well as a LOT of others. Including some which are debatable, like Cubone's mothers all dying.
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>>13503274 It seems to only be directly referenced in Dusknoir's pokedex entries, it seems. Makes me wonder how Sableye fits into all of this, considering that it's based off of a goblin and is directly stated to be a worldly creature.
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>>13503417 Pidgeot flying at mach 2 or some shit
Machamps 1000 punches in two seconds.
Alakazams IQ of 5000
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>>13503274 The existence of the spirit world and actual ghosts doesn't mean that ghost types are actual ghosts.
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>>13503317 >>13503424 Golurk and Sableye are bot secondary typed Ghost, not primary
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>>13503400 Exeggcute's entries refer to it as an egg in some instances, while in others stating that it is a seed.
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>>13503471 I think the type "Ghost" primarily describes supernatural Pokémon, but can also describe corporeal ones.
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>>13503424 It's body is implied to not be normal.
The gems on it are said to "rise to the surface of its body." It's almost as if it's body isn't exactly a solid, but rather an unknown substance. Sort of reminds me of how Dusclops' body is said to be like a black hole.
Ghost pokemon just seem to have preternatural capabilities, act bizarrely, and hang out in places of death (possibly due to their strange abilities allowing them to be aware of a Spirit World where actual ghosts exist, that the Ghost pokemon can travel to because they're trans-dimensional). This all leads to all sorts of folklore, saying Ghost Pokemon are the spirits of departed souls.
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>>13503606 That would explain Shadow Sneak, at least.
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>>13503492 Another inconsistency with Exeggcute comes from its Emerald dex entry. It states that with more cracks appearing on the Exeggcute, the closer it is to evolving. This implies that it will evolve with a mechanic like leveling up.
Exeggcute only evolves after it is exposed to a Leaf Stone.
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>>13501413 this gave me the weirdest boner
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This is why I ended up seeing Giratina as insubstantial, and all other ghosts as well. I don't think they're all anti-matter because that just wouldn't make sense. Then again, all portrayals of Giratina are inconsistent with that since it even existing in the regular world would cause a catastrophic explosion strong enough to destroy the entire planet, and probably more. I can't exactly say it's only Ghost because of our world because I think it was Ghost in it's own reality, too. Giratina is also the opposite of Dialga and Palkia, which combined made matter. Antimatter is not the only opposite of that. There is also insubstantial, as in it's not made of matter as we know it. It's just there. I guess it could be an alternate interpretation of antimatter, but antimatter is still matter, albeit with an opposite polarity. So I thought all ghosts are also insubstantial beings like Giratina is, although I'm not sure there is a connection. (there could be, Gira's presence would make such a thing possible) In my other musings, I ended up defining life as being anything that contains a DNA molecule, since it seems to represent the combined power of Xerneas and Yveltal, of having an existence that is limited. All legends above them are merely manifestations of the forces they represent. Technically, this would mean that Ghost pokes aren't alive really since they have no substance, but they are still a presence. All pokes Mew and under should have DNA since Mew was the basis for all of them. (Mew being under Xerneas since it is only pokemon life, and Xerneas is all of life) Dag, that destroys the whole theory. I'll need to rethink this.
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>>13503857 >it even existing in the regular world would cause a catastrophic explosion strong enough to destroy the entire planet It isn't *literally* antimatter, ya dingus. Dialga ain't made of time.
Also that's as far as I got. tl;dr.
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All of the above.
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maybe just the distortion worlds equivalent of normal mons that just leaked out. or realized how shitty the distortion world was
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>>13503996 >implying the distortion world wasn't the tightest shit ever Anonymous
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>>13504016 Haven't played a Sinnoh game, but I know it has a badass theme.
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I don't believe that Ghost types are real ghost, or even spirits. Just like Dragon types aren't dragons, and dragons aren't necessarily dragon types.
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>>13503903 Well, ok, as a manifestation, it can be whatever it wants. Not to mention that Dialga and Palkia's types have nothing to do with their domains, either, so that was a misconception of me. However, like Giratina, Ghost pokes do still have the power to transcend planes of reality. That would still make them not really ghosts, but rather a special form of life.
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>>13504105 Again, the "made of explodium" conundrum.
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>>13500958 That makes total sense, and actual makes giratina ruling over antimatter as opposed to gravity not be retarded.
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>>13504169 Exactly. Giritina is corporeal.
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>>13504190 Why would it rule over gravity? That's an entirely different concept from space and time.
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>>13504220 Because gravity warps spacetime.
Makes more fucking sense than antimatter, at least.
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>>13504263 Maybe in your retarded headcanon.
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Here's my two cents, OP.
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>>13504216 It makes better sense because then Ghost is really more of a power than a state of being. Then again, there are types that seem to only indicate what a poke is rather than what power it has. Although this sort of still would since the Ghost pokes would still only be a specific being that can phase in and out of the normal plane of existence.
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>>13504293 How is something that interacts directly with the other two forces MORE retarded than something that has nothing to do with them?
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>>13504345 >Ghost is really more of a power than a state of being Not necessarily more powerful, just different.
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>>13504348 It is official that Giratina represents antimatter.
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>>13504391 I know, I'm stating it would have made more sense if he represented gravity.
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>>13504383 Not powerful. Power, as in a form of energy. Like most of the types are.
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>>13504293 >General Relativity >Retarded Anonymous
>>13504398 The idea is that Dialga and Palkia together created matter.
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>>13504455 Which is also retarded.
Matter occupies spacetime. That's like having a legendary that's a personfication of the oceans and it's counterpart be a fish because fish live in the ocean.
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>>13500914 That would be fucking awesome. Imagine if Persona 5 used pokemon instead of personas.
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>>13504482 >Matter occupies spacetime. Yeah exactly. Spacetime. Space. Time. Palkia and Dialga, space and time, created matter, which occupies spacetime.
Lots of dinguses on /vp/ today.
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>>13504525 And it would make more sense for giratina to represent something EQUAL to space and time, not something dialga and palkia created
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>>13504563 Which makes the idea of him representing Anti-Matter fucking retarded since it's a mirror image of Matter that, guess what, occupies spacetime.
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>>13504563 I'm confused now. Giritina represents chaos (for lack of a better word), including antimatter, but not limited to that.
Note that GameFreak doesn't necessarily know exactly what antimatter is, obviously.
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>>13504601 That's what I'm saying.
If palkia and dialga made matter, than giratina is below them.
If giratina was gravity, he'd be equal to them
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>>13500798 All I know is that ghost type is best type.
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>>13504615 Well then Arceus is a fuck for playing favorites amongst his children.
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>>13504673 >implying Gods don't always play favorites Lucifer was an angel once, bro.
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>>13504612 Giratina is Satan after the fall. The form it gained in the Abyss (distortion world) is a "Ghost" of its past self.
Satan = Often referred to as Dragon, Great Red Dragon, etc.
Discuss
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>>13504730 It's been discussed before. I think it's part of the meaning, but obviously the whole Pokémon isn't based on Satan.
I don't think there's really a way to put what Giritina represents into one word. Not "antimatter" or "chaos" or "Satan" or anything, but kind of all of them and more. Just general "not of this world"ness.
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>>13504788 I still say he would have made more sense as gravity Nine to Five Hero !xPOSER9PtU
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>>13504809 >not force in general Come on m8.
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>>13504482 ....It's a whale. A mammal.
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>>13504834 What are you even talking about
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>>13504788 This brings up a question regarding legendaries.
Of course, some can be captured and it doesn't impact the world too greatly, but ones like Dialga, Palkia and Giratina keep the world in balance.
We see Arceus create new, baby versions of the trio on the Sinjoh ruins event.
Does Arceus just create another Giratina/Palkia/Dialga whenever it is captured or otherwise indisposed?
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>>13502935 You are seriously going to be a virgin forever.
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>>13504849 >>13504482 >That's like having a legendary that's a personfication of the oceans and it's counterpart be a fish because fish live in the ocean. >>13504834 >It's a whale He's obviously talking about Kyogre
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>>13504884 Then way to miss the entire fucking point.
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>>13504855 I subscribe to the theory that those aren't there literal forms, but just representations of them on Earth.
Or you could consider Palkia omnipresent in space and Dialga in time. That would actually make sense. You just captured "them" the same way God might speak directly to Abraham, but that doesn't mean he isn't off
systematically murdering African children as well.
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>>13504730 I believe Diratina is a fusion of different mythologies.
In Greek mythology he would be Tartarus, and in In Christian mythology he would be the devil himself.
Like any it isn't based on only one idea or thing.
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Gravity doesn't seem to be an important power. Ordinary pokes have control of it. What does it matter? Gira is the opposite of the other two, it got given a trash heap to rule, went ballistic, and got sealed in that world
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>>13504946 >it got given a trash heap to rule, went ballistic, and got sealed in that world I am seriously loving your description of this
I don't even know why
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>>13501646 regardless it's the "cursed doll" of pokemon
shuppets like...a sock puppet? or those little ghost puppets at halloween
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>>13504946 >Gravity doesn't seem to be an important power. IT FUCKING BENDS SPACETIME
HOW IS THAT NOT IMPORTANT
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>>13505121 You are really sperging out over this, mate.
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>>13505121 That's not what me meant by "not important."
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>>13505204 Then what did you mean?
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>>13505267 Oh god, I can't believe I typo'd "me" there. So sorry.
Either way, I think what he's getting at is that ruling over gravity would be pointless, as Gravity is a move standard pokemon can use.
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>>13505267 Manipulating it isn't important for Pokémon, as lots can do it.
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The one thing I was always confused about, is the fact that Arceus created the universe.. IT CREATED MATTER. So wouldn't it have to be an eternal, non-physical being like the Judeal/ Christian God to have existed before matter and space-time rather than hatching from an egg? And also, if I recall so, Arceus created Time and Space itself, as well as antimatter, and all the dimensions, then created the creation trio to rule over different aspects of it.. A manifestation of those qualities of the universe it shaped according to it's will.
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>>13500798 they serve as pokemons shadow element
along with Psychic the make of the Mana/arcane attributes of the pokemon world and one could only assume the majority are made of ectoplasm or anti-matter.
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>>13505294 wouldn't it have to be an eternal, non-physical being like the Judeal/ Christian God
It is. God represented himself on earth as a Burning Bush once, Arceus can do it as a Pokémon.
Lots of people seem to have trouble really comprehending the concept of omnipotence.
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>>13505294 Maybe the Arceus we catch is more akin to Jesus of Nazareth than God himself. According to the Trinity he'd still have his divine powers, but would be able to move around in a physical form.
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>>13505335 I do understand the concept of omnipotence.. However it is completely inconsistent with the anime and games, seeing as Arceus is not all knowing, or all powerful.. and the fact that it supposedly hatched from an egg. Da fuck Pogeymanz...
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>>13505289 >>13505288 But limited control over gravity =/= total control
Gravity can fucking slow down time, warp space, and capture light.
Shit is powerful.
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>>13505386 >seeing as Arceus is not all knowing How do you know? It's Pokémon representation doesn't talk to people.
>or all powerful Yes it is, and statements like that are why I say you don't understand omnipotence. Jesus Christ was God, but God didn't just take a break from all his Heaven shit to be Jesus for a while. All-powerful means ALL powerful. Just because he's one thing doesn't mean he isn't another.
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>>13505335 I do understand the concept of omnipotence.. However it is completely inconsistent with the anime and games, seeing as Arceus is not all knowing, or all powerful.. and the fact that it supposedly hatched from an egg. Da fuck Pogeymanz...
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>>13505392 No, course not, I was just explaining his point.
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>>13505401 My point being you shouldn't be able to catch God in a Pokeball. That is all I meant. If Arceus truly is all powerful.. one should not even be able to catch it with a masterball, let alone defeat one. The Pokemon canon is messed up. Also.. Dammit my post was somehow posted twice.. stupid iPhone.
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>>13505494 It's a representation of God in Pokémon form, not "God". He's just playing by the rules.
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>>13505494 Maybe he's just bored and restrains himself to an absurd degree to have some fun instead of going for easy-as-piss wins.
Weak headcanon, but it's the best i got
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>>13505505 I don't think it's for fun. More like I said, "Playing by the rules". I mean why did Jesus walk across the land to teach everyone? Why didn't he just teleport or just *give* everyone the knowledge?
I'm not saying it makes logical sense, just that it makes religious sense.
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>>13505499 Exactly, however, seeing as you think I don't understand omnipotence ( however, I doubt anyone can fully understand a concept). I Enjoy the Bible as a wealth of info just as I do anything else, as of now, I'm sorting out my beliefs.. However, I know much about the Bible, even how to make logical sense of the Genesis creation account.. And why it doesn't collide with the theory of evolution, or anything else we know about the planet or how the universe itself works. ( dammit, now I'm off topic )
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>>13505499 >>13505494 >>13505435 >>13505401 Arceus never was all powerful or a god its a limited reality bender at best, but the ancient people worshiped it because to them thats all it took to be a god.
it isn't god in pokemon form
its may be immortal
it may have a limited control over reality
however it isn't and never will be a god
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>>13505569 That's debatable. I could go either way with it. Just saying that if he is an actual God, it makes sense for him to have a Pokémon representation and not be "tied up" so to speak if he gets captured or faints or anything.
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>>13505505 >>13505535 Hahaha, I agree with Niner on this one. However, it's literally the exact same thing. Also, Niner, do you actually believe Arceus is a manifestation of the actual Judeal/Christian God within a man-made universe?
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>>13505535 Depends how much you attach it to Abrahamic religions or not, I always just viewed Arceus as the creator deity of the fictional pokemon world where Christianity and seemingly religion as a whole doesn't even exist
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>>13505602 >do you actually believe Arceus is a manifestation of the actual Judeal/Christian God Shinno has a polytheistic religion with one main God and a couple lesser Gods, so no.
>>13505627 I know, I was making a comparison to a real life religion's example of omnipresence.
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>>13505593 It is debatable, however, if you look at the Hebrew word for create, "bara" it means create in a different sense than what we mean by create.. It means to give something purpose, or to put it into motion. This interpretation can be proven right seeing as God floated above the dark waters/formless shape of the earth (depending on which version you read) BEFORE "bara" occurs.. The Genesis account isn't telling the creation of the universe, but rather, what happened much later with the earth. Also, breath of life was interpreted as intelligence back then, and the same word for dust is used for "seed"/sperm
>genetic material Later on in the Bible. Evolution FTW
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>>13505685 >if you look at the Hebrew word for create, "bara" it means create in a different sense than what we mean by create.. It means to give something purpose, or to put it into motion. That's an amazing thing to know. Thanks.
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>>13505644 Figured so, also, I like how this thread is transitioning into a Pokemon world mythology and real world religion comparison of sorts.. I'd start a thread like that, but I only have an iPhone with me at the moment.
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Your welcome, I really enjoy these bits of info.. today's understanding of the Bible is most likely way off compared to how it was intended to be interpreted. Especially in the WBC's case. People see Christianity as crazy, or something opposed to scientific knowledge. It's not really.. That's why people don't take religion seriously, because it's misinterpreted, AND because of stupid practitioners.
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i love you, /vp/ . awesome discussion
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>>13500798 My theory is that dual types are the ghosts of whatever type they were before.
Fillish, for example, might be the ghosts of Tentacools and Tentacruels. Pure ghost types are the ghost of Normal types.
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>>13506584 Normal types or humans, I meant.
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Are Evil/Dark types in Pokemon called Evil (as in English) in Japan? If that's the case, it could be that Japanese people are using the term evil VERY loosely, as they often do with English words since they don't have the words don't have the same implications in their culture. They may simply think Evil means mischievous.
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>>13506623 wow, that was terrible.
*as the words don't have the same implications in their culture
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>>13500798 It depends. We know for a fact that Yamask and Spiritomb are actual human spirits. Same goes for Honedge.
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>>13500798 Shedinja is an empty husk. That's why it has one HP. I hope another appears in the anime. So far I only remember two.
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>>13506656 That's all you want? Shedinja needs a serious buff, like Wonder Guard is also Magic Guard.
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>>13500958 I'm not against this. Could explain why Registeel is considered a Steel-type when supposedly it's made up of extraterrestrial metals.
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>>13506673 >1 HP >Can only be hit by super effective moves >Fast as shit >Needs a buff Unless I'm misremembering it's stats I seriously have to ask why you say this.
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>>13506684 >Toxic/Will-O-Wisp. >Weather. >Weak to fucking everything. >Doesn't hit that much at all. >Can be killed by Sucker Punch. Have you ever played Shedinja in the metagame?
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>>13506684 Oh, and
>entry hazards KILL IT. Anonymous
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>>13502425 >Does the urge to steal people suddenly go away when they evolve? Not entirely but you may have a point. I think some Pokemon change personalities when they evolve while others don't. The Deino line is a good example of the latter; it just gets more vicious as it evolves.
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>>13506738 Oh, forgot about entry hazards. Then again they kinda fuck everything.
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>>13502816 >the blind eagle Wow. That explains its eyes.
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>>13500798 they're ghosts
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>>13501280 It sucks at it, though.
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>>13502816 Maybe the deer thing whose name I can't remember is based on the deer that stands atop Valhalla, while the bacon bird whose name I also can't remember is based on the blind crop atop the Yggdrasil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eik%C3%BEyrnir Even if I'm wrong it's fun to read about mythology.
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The Ghost World may be connected to the Unown or something.>All of Dusknoir's Pokédex entries highlight its connection to the Ghost World. Its Diamond and Pearl Pokédex entry mentions that the antenna on its head captures radio waves from the "world of spirits" that command it to take people there.
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Wailord is the best Ghost-type. Hands down.
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>>13502134 >>13502231 dont like a couple thousand people die every minute around the world? why is it so crazy to imagine some of those souls being sucked into a spiritomb
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>>13500823 >this ghost type is the slit faced chick who will make you the next dark knight joker.
Ghost type is the story of the girl who fell on the train tracks while her friend watched and now grabs people to pull them under like she was.
Ghost type is the guy that comes into the bathroom asking your preferred color between red or blue and either cuts you or strangles you depending on your answer.
in short, Ghosts arent ghosts, they're demons. at least those with the ghost as the primary typing. secondary typing ghosts have to do with certain properties, golurk being a construct/golem not being an actual living creature but a parallel to life. Or Jellicent being based on a jellyfish that technically never dies.
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>>13507336 Or in the case of Sableye, which may be a 3D shadow.
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>>13507336 ...That picture is deeply disturbing.
You think she gives good head? Anonymous
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>>13507377 I dont know, am i pretty? :> Anonymous
>>13502545 >>13502545 >judeo-christian >one single depiction of the underworld Anonymous
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>>13502701 It sounds more like a Damashinigami to me, a reaper who takes the souls before it should.
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>>13507336 >Kuchisake-onna >Teki-teki >Aka Manto >demons But that's wrong. They're grudge ghosts or onryou. Onryou come back from the dead to fuck up people because they're angry. Demons are totally different.
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What if Arceus is just an avatar of God or one of the extensions of the thousand arms?
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>>13507532 He never gave a description of it, just what it typically implies.
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>>13507336 That's a creepy picture, anon.
I had to turn on my lights.
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>>13501991 God dammit that was creepy to me too.
FUCK I DON'T BELIEVE IN GHOSTS BUT I GET CHILLS THINKING ABOUT THEM
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>>13503451 >IQ of 5000 >still can't learn more than 4 moves Weak shit.
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>>13507802 It's called the 'Float Whale' Pokemon for a reason.
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they are spirits, that's the only thing i know that works in every case
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>>13506648 We've already this down. Read the thread.
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>>13506648 We've already shot this down. Read the thread.
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>>13500798 This image is missing Golurk.
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>>13500923 dark are more sneaky/rule breaking and actually related to the lack of light than evil. think moves like payback, suckerpunch, moonlight, bite, crunch, pursuit etc
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Oh man he does look older!
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>>13501140 >I think the whole 'good/evil' labeling should disappear altogether, since both are entirely up to the perspective of the individual. Dat 12y old logic.
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>>13511182 >One of the most hotly debated philosophical/ethical theories and ideals >12y old logic nigga what?
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>>13507802 Wailmer is a beach ball, Wailord is a Zeppelin.
It makes a degree of sense for them to be light. Now Steelix, that one makes no sense.
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>>13507813 >>13511336 come on, i'd rather think GF just fucked up
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>>13503492 You ever put a Rock on an egg?
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>>13511569 Read the Emerald entry closely. It sucks in all the water around it to increase its weight.
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>>13512967 alright, so you're saying what's in the dex entry is its initial weight, before sucking up water?
reasonable enough, but i hope you're not using that as an argument to say it's a blimp
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>>13514061 How else does it float in the 3D games?
atheists: 0
buddha: 1.5
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>>13514079 how else does goldeen, relicanth, lumineon, and any other pure-aquatic pokemon float?
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>>13514212 I'd assume Golett/Golurk can, but I don't think so for any of the others.
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>>13514249 Golett and Golurk don't die, they aren't even "alive" necessarily. They're from ancient times.
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>>13514391 But they can be "dismantled" or deconstructed, I would imagine. Which, in this case, may as well be dying.
Though I guess the same could be said about Shedinja and breaking it's shell.
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>>13514449 I can agree with that, as well as any other case where you would be "breaking" them, for lack of a better word. What is Cofagrigus if you smash it, after all?
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>>13514475 If Yamask is any indication I think Cofagrigus is the entity inside the coffin, rather than the coffin itself, so smashing it might just make it turn into a different kind of ghost pokemon
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>>13514495 Coffin-less Cofagrigus mega evolution confirmed
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>>13501646 Or like how Kadabra was once a kid who dreamed of being a pokemon and woke up and found it happened to him.
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>>13516630 Another example of something that's probably a legend or a magical realism story.
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Anybody notice that gengar looks like a dead clefairy.
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>>13517941 >taking a good theory and making it stupid It's a shadow, a doppleGENGAR. It's not dead, just the opposite.
>still waiting for GF to confirm or deny They commented on the Ditto/Mew thing, they can comment on this shit.
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>>13517977 >Ditto/Mew thing what'd they say?
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>>13518038 I don't remember who said it, it might have been Masuda. It was in a Game Informer interview and he said something to the effect of "that was not intended". I still think there's a possibility someone on the team had that idea, because there are a lot of things about them that are similar and them being found only at Pokémon Mansion and Cerulean Cave is a bit too weird for me.
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>>13518057 Actually I think he said something like "I don't really know/You'd have to ask Tajiri." He neither confirmed or denied it, just said that he didn't think so.
Btw, you guys know about the Mr/Dr. Fuji thing right?
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>>13518057 Here it is
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/11/23/pok-233-mon-39-s-burning-questions.aspx?PostPageIndex=1 He just said that each Pokémon is unique and implied that none of them are connected, which is obviously wrong. That could be because of the translation though.
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>>13518057 Good to know. It always seems like when a developer comments on theories, that they never put much thought into what the fans are thinking. If anything, i would guess that you're right, that some other people not as high up and well known would slip things in.
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>>13518075 >"I don't really know/You'd have to ask Tajiri." That was for Goldeen acting like Magikarp in Smash Bros.
>Btw, you guys know about the Mr/Dr. Fuji thing right? Yeah.
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>>13518087 Was it? I could have sworn that was his response. I knew that I should have kept that issue.
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>>13518092 Wait. Just went to
>>13518080 's link. He didn't deny it, he just said that it was the first he'd heard of it. I realize that it's a stretch, but could it have just been a part of Tajiri's idea's but he just never told Masuda? I mean, Masuda's defense against the rumor is that Ditto is special because it can transform, but Mew does that as well.
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>>13518086 As far as I can tell he was just the composer during RGBY, so who knows. I think someone on the team was definitely thinking that, maybe even Morimoto consider he's the one that put Mew in the game. Did Red and Green have weights in the Pokédex?
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The way I see it, Ghost Pokemon are just Pokemon with the theme of death, but not actual ghosts.
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>>13518112 Morimoto would certainly be an interesting person to ask the question to.
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>>13518242 Definitely. Also, Bulbapedia's article on Mew states that Tsunekaz Ishihara was the one who created Mew, so he would be interesting as well.
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>>13518249 Oh! Well that's somewhat unexpected. I wasn't aware Ishihara had any role in creature design, let alone in the R/G days.
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>>13501646 or like how indian elephants exist
