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Anonymous Thu 22 Aug 2013 16:32:51 No.13510496 View View Reply Original Report

If Arceus is "God"
Dialga is "Michael"
Palkia is "Raphael"
Giratina is "Lucifer"

Who would be Gabriel? Unless Giratina would count as both

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Aug 2013 16:36:31 No.13510523 Report

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>>13510496
>Not using Origin Forme giratina

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Aug 2013 16:41:36 No.13510549 Report

Quoted By: >>13510610 >>13510624 >>13510638 >>13515081

we've been over this
Arceus is a limited reality bender, not a god
if it were a god it would effectively be invincible even in the anime and manga it isn't.
dialga, palkia, and giratina are the limits of its powers in time, space, and anti-matte

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Aug 2013 16:48:12 No.13510610 Report

Quoted By: >>13510711

>>13510549
Arceus is a God as far as the Pokémon universe is concerned. True its not omnipotent, but it still created reality. That's about all the Christian God has going for him, so why not Arceus?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Aug 2013 16:50:25 No.13510624 Report

Quoted By: >>13510711

>>13510549
He created the pokeverse, so he's a the god of it.
The anime doesnt matter at all, and in pokespe it hasnt been defeated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Aug 2013 16:52:06 No.13510638 Report

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>>13510549
>Manga and anime
>Canon

Yeah, naw.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Aug 2013 16:57:30 No.13510695 Report

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Why the fuck is Giratina Lucifer? Can't it be Gabriel?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Aug 2013 16:59:34 No.13510711 Report

Quoted By: >>13510754 >>13510829

>>13510610
>>13510624
it was worshiped by ancient people as were most legendary pokemon.
granted it is incredibly powerful, and most likely immortal
however it isn't a god because
1. it can be harmed
2. it can be controlled by a mortal being
3. it isn't omnipotent, in any canon
4. it isn't omniscient, in any canon
5. it has been defeated in every canon
6. its stats are not the highest of all pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Aug 2013 17:05:14 No.13510754 Report

Quoted By: >>13510773 >>13510798 >>13511195 >>13515047

>>13510711
It's stated in-game that when the pokemon is caught, it isnt as powerful as it used to. And Arceus has the highest BST of all pokemon.

Also, the only canon that matters is the game, and it hast been defeated in special and it hasnt appeared on the anime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Aug 2013 17:07:22 No.13510769 Report

Quoted By: >>13511205

I thought it was canon that Arceus created Sinnoh, and the games don't say anything about it creating the universe itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Aug 2013 17:07:42 No.13510773 Report

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>>13510754
It can be defeated, tho. It's not even at level 100 in the one place where you can catch it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Aug 2013 17:09:54 No.13510798 Report

Quoted By: >>13510825

>>13510754
>Says the only canon that matters is the game
>Continues to argue back using examples of other canons
>mfw

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Aug 2013 17:12:35 No.13510825 Report

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>>13510798
I pointed that out because even the other canons prove the point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Aug 2013 17:12:59 No.13510829 Report

Quoted By: >>13515202

>>13510711
By your logic, most Greek/Roman gods aren't gods either.
Let's see how the dictionary defines 'god.'

>1.?the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.
>2.?the Supreme Being considered with reference to a particular attribute:?the God of Islam.
>3.?one of several deities, especially a male deity, presiding over some portion of worldly affairs.
Even if Arceus doesn't fit #1 due to not really being a supreme ruler, Arceus does fit the third definition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Aug 2013 17:49:14 No.13511195 Report

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>>13510754
>hasn't appeared in the anime
>implying Arceus and the Jewel of Life wasn't a movie

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Aug 2013 17:50:43 No.13511205 Report

Quoted By: >>13511242 >>13515202

>>13510769
Yeah, but that's a bit inconsistent with Arceus proceeding to create Pokemon that created TIME and SPACE themselves. Like, something has to precede the other at some point, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Aug 2013 17:54:47 No.13511242 Report

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>>13511205
Right, that makes sense then.
Sorry I skipped Gen 4

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Aug 2013 00:29:08 No.13515047 Report

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>>13510754
but that in its self is a lie all wild pokemon are level 80 (except arceus) and under red has pokemon at 80+

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Aug 2013 00:32:18 No.13515081 Report

Quoted By: >>13515238

>>13510549
The anime states it's a god, but without all its plates its mortal. The other three are referred to as gods as well (all four are "deities" in the dub).

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Aug 2013 00:42:52 No.13515202 Report

Quoted By: >>13515238

>>13510829
1 & 2 can't be the case
and 3 is ruled out because it can be defeated in combat by "mortals", also its own creations dialga, palkia, and giratina are better than it several areas.
its not a deity, becuase it can be be killed, it may not age or become ill but it could be killed
>>13511205
Dialga can control the flow of time thats the extent of its power, the rest is just legends, which as far as pokemon is concerned are exaggerated bullshit just like in real life
palkia has the ability to distort space.
neither of them created anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Aug 2013 00:45:39 No.13515238 Report

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>>13515081
again anime isn't canon and those are based on the legends which like>>13515202 said
are exaggerated bullshit.
also last I checked immortality and superiority to mortal are kinda required to be a god

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