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>>13608168
Play low tiers so that you learn actual varied gameplay and not just how to bring keldeo/scizor and how to counter keldeo/scizor.

Start with two random pokémon from your tier or a lower one that you like based on design/single player. Consider the weaknesses of those two pokemon and add another to counter. Then consider the weaknesses of all of your three selected pokemon and add another. Repeat until you have 6 mons. This team will probably not be great but at least have some variety. Change the team gradually as you learn more until it is ace. You do NOT need stealth rocks or rapid spin on your team, although it is certainly a nice option.

Start playing. You will gradually get better as you start seeing the same sets and develop gut feeling. When the game starts, look on your opponents team for a pokemon that usually carries stealth rock or passive weather. Assume that he will lead with that pokemon and lead with a counter to it. This will pay off in about 80% of cases. If your opponent leads with something that catches you off guard, assume he is above average and start predicting plays. If not. assume he will always make the most obvious play and stomp him surgically.

NEVER use a "lead" pokemon on your team. Lead pokemon are a youtube faggot term that will lose you games. Truly great players would never have something as predictable as a popular lead on their team and automatically lose the first turn momentum whenever they face an opponent who can think.

Finally, get some priority. Fake out, sucker punch, espeed, quick attack and shadow sneak are good options. Aqua jet isn't, it's too predictable. This lets you revenge kill even against choice scarf fagets who get their sets off smogong. A bulky pokemon with a phasing move like whirlwind or roar is great for when they set up. Take a hit and force them out.

Source: I'm 1800+ rating in NU, RU and UU. I stay away from OU because I'm tired of facing the same 2 teams all the time. GLHF.

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Anonymous Sat 31 Aug 2013 21:44:30 No.13608428 Report

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>>13608242
Made it myself. Pretty proud of it.

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Anonymous Sat 31 Aug 2013 21:44:30 No.13608429 Report

Quoted By: >>13612274 >>13612440

>>13608360

And as a quick example, here's me playtesting my latest NU team against a typical OU faget:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-44017469

And here's me testing a simillar team and dismantling a decent player in NU uwing my favorite pokemon, Muk:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu-30564827

Hope all this helps

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 05:14:28 No.13612246 Report

Quoted By: >>13613267 >>13613586

Started in doubles since I just like the more varied options, looking for suggestions to my team build.

Huge Power Azamurill with soak (soaks his entry buddy shedinja and any undesirable match ups on the opposing team)

Soak / Waterfall / Superpower / Ice Punch

Shedinja after soaking he only has electric and grass as weakness, which is more easily managed - he comes into play to wall and set the stage for typhlosion

Shadow Sneak / Sunny Day / Aerial Ace / Solar Beam

Typhlosion (I pick him because he's my favorite fire type, and isn't bastardized with other typings like charizard)

Sunny Day / Focus Blast / Hidden Power [rock] / Fire Blast

Ferrothorn (I started liking him in W2 and smogon's hard on for stealth rock metagame makes him seem like a good choice - oh and his rocky helmet makes him a nightmare for physicals and suicide for multi-hit attacks)

Gyro Ball / Stealth Rock / Thunder Wave / Power Whip

Gengar (he's my favorite ghost pokemon and maybe overall, I'm not really up for changing him out)

Substitute / Pain Split / Shadow Ball / Focus Blast

Porygon Z - the last slot is totally up for rework, I couldn't really think of any other way to bridge the team at this point so I threw him in, his nasty plot really pulls attention

Some others I thought of, but couldn't plan together: Herracross, Cloyster (rapid Spin), Starmie (spin again), Terrakion, Muk after this post>>13608360, Lucario,

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 05:22:31 No.13612274 Report

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>>13608429
Holy shitballs, dude, I had no idea shiftry was such a rapetrain. What spread do you have on that thing?

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 05:55:31 No.13612440 Report

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>>13608429
>http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-44017469
That's fucken hilarious, what faget would keep getting raped by sucker punch in that situation?

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 09:11:59 No.13613267 Report

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>>13612246
You need some spread.moves eg surf rock slide eq

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 10:40:00 No.13613494 Report

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>>13612274

I know. I was really happy when this set started raping because i always loved the design.

He is max speed, max attack with swords dance, sucker punch, seed bomb and nature power.

A bonus is that using nature power (earthquake) doesnt count as using an attacking move so you can bypass your opponents sucker punches.

Don't forget the focus sash, he probably wont live a hit without it.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 10:41:37 No.13613499 Report

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>>13608360
>thinking 1800 is a good rating

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 10:43:47 No.13613501 Report

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>>13612440

It's not because of retardation. The sets he took from smogon/youtubeniggers simply didnt include priority or status moves so he had no choice but to attack. This is how real players who think for themselves beat OU niggers.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 10:45:19 No.13613502 Report

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>>13608242
It's from a anti-drinking ad in New Zealand.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 10:46:19 No.13613504 Report

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>>13613499

Didn't say I thought it was good, did I? It is however very high for someone running only self made sets. Anybody can get 2000+ with toxic heal gliscors and scarfed terrakions. I prefer to earn my wins.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 10:52:15 No.13613513 Report

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>>13608360
This is shit advice, and it's not because you're gonna copypaste it from /cpg/ to another thread that it'll turn instantly nice
just gonna quote from the other thread my answer

>start with two random pokémon from your tier or a lower one
Bad thing imo, starting with charizard/mienshao isn't gonna bring you any wins but will simply leave you 6-0ed against 1500 copypasted teams that will steamroll you except if you use more standard things and replace the lowtier pokémon.
>you do NOT need stealth rocks or rapid spin on your team
this might be a bit true for SR, but for rapid spin it's a no-no, you're not gonna tell someone who has three rock-weak pokémon to ignore SR.
>never use a "lead" pokémon
Yeah, most of them are shit, but lead garchomp/terrakion are excellent, so not ALL leads are terrible.
>get some priority
>fake out/quick attack/shadow sneak
Nonono, don't tell someone to use fake out especially, as it makes most newfigs use shit like Ambipom because "it has priority", and quick attack/shadow sneak are usually just too weak. Scarfers are better than priority, most of the time.
Overall, this guide will just give decent to mediocre advices that will probably make you win a few games, but will leave you wide open against better players, even if they use standard teams.

My advice is to start with a good RMT on smogon, try to analyze the team/play with it a bit to understand why it was built that way/know the threats in the meta, and then try a team from scratch.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 10:52:59 No.13613518 Report

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>>13613504
you used 1800+ rating as a source for credibility when I've seen terrible players with negative win/loss ratios have that kind of rating

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 10:54:00 No.13613525 Report

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>>13613267
so let's say I use Octillery instead, because losing soak will hurt the viability of Shedinja, whom once soaked, only has 2 weaknesses which is a lot easier to counter than 5 types. Octillery has both Water Spout and Surf for double team coverage, getting STAB boosts, and both shedinja and Octillery can wield grass types moves to counter their counters, save electricity which is a suicide run in a ground/rock infested metagame. Not only that if I choose to soak an opponent it is immediately weak to both players on the field.

a little more bright than azumarill right?

right?

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 10:55:28 No.13613529 Report

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>>13613501
or you know, he's just an inexperienced player. you don't know that he just copy pasted sets. using garbage opponents as an example to say that "lol i wrecked an OU player" is retarded.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 10:56:28 No.13613533 Report

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>>13613513

I typed it here first.

>this is shit advice
>agree with basically everything

mmok.jpg

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 11:00:11 No.13613557 Report

Quoted By: >>13613586

>>13613533
>start with two random pokémon from a tier
shit advice
>you do not need stealth rock/spin
only half true, and the other bit is completely false and retarded
>When the game starts, look on your opponents team for a pokemon that usually carries stealth rock or passive weather. Assume that he will lead with that pokemon and lead with a counter to it. This will pay off in about 80% of cases
NONONONONONO
THIS WILL NEVER WORK AGAINST GOOD PLAYERS, ONLY AGAINST SHITTY 1200 RANKING PLAYERS
STOP THIS ISN'T THE WAY YOU SHOULD TEACH PREDICTION
>NEVER use a "lead" pokemon on your team
Half-true
>
Finally, get some priority. Fake out, sucker punch, espeed, quick attack and shadow sneak are good options. Aqua jet isn't, it's too predictable. This lets you revenge kill even against choice scarf fagets who get their sets off smogong. A bulky pokemon with a phasing move like whirlwind or roar is great for when they set up. Take a hit and force them out.
A revenge killer is always better than a priority user, except when the priority user is named scizor. Also, bulky with phazing moves is terrible advice since you can't kill the opponent and you'll just end up with a weakened and nearly dead phazer that won't be able to kill the opponent's setup sweeper the second time.
>1800 rating
shit.

You're basically training people to be these 1200-ranking players in OU that use 3RU/2UU/1OU in all of their teams and lead with sash cloyster against everything.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 11:07:12 No.13613586 Report

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>>13613557
I think it's funny that I almost wiped out a team with cloyster with my drunken concepted team >>13612246, sweeping out all but 2 pokemon on his team, with only his cloyster barely surviving to a team that's obviously flawed on many levels, and making several errors in prediction/setup/attacking, cuz y'know being as drunk as an Irish bum.

>>13613525
Can a drunken idiot get some input on this rework?

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