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So Voltorb, Electrode, Porygon, Porygon 2, Porygon-Z, Mewtwo, Baltoy, Claydol, Golette, Golurk, and Genesect are the only artificial Pokémon, right?
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Also if Genesect counts, then I vote this nigger does as well.
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Baltoy and Golett aren't any more artificial than Wormadam Trash Cloak.
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And I haven't seen the movie, but from the Bulbapedo article this guy seems to be somewhere between a mecha and a real Pokémon.
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No one cares you tripfag piece of shit.
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There's also Castform
>>13609283 Wormadan Trash Cloak is a bug that make a cloak made out of garbage
Gollet and Baltoy are golems that were created by ancient civilizations. Sigilyph fits in here too
Also OP, don't forget Magnemite and Klink families. It's also most likely garbodor also fits, since it's made of trash and
I'd even go on a limb and say Electivire and Magmortar are artificial too, after all you need Electrizer/magmarizer and that shit doens't look natural
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>>13609279 Oh, right. Thanks!
>>13609283 Baltoy I was actually debating on putting, but I decided that since Claydol (whose body at the very least is artificial) counts Baltoy should too.
Explain on Golett. They were most definitely created by ancient civilizations. Wormadam Trash Cloak doesn't count because it's just a Pokémon with trash on it.
>>13609330 >There's also Castform Right, thanks!
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If Mewtwo counts then all cloned Pokémon do to some extent, I suppose.
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Wasn't the garbage bag pokemon whose name eludes me man made?
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Shuppet and Banette's bodies are artificial at least. Same for Honedge.
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>>13609330 >>13609342 They're naturally occuring energy beings that happen to live within artificial constructs.
Wormadam was a bad example. I should have said Rotom-Appliance.
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>>13609368 No. Cloned pokémon doesn't count. They aren't a new species
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Officially, from Pokedex entries and such, the following Pokemon are artificial:
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>>13609330 >Sigilyph Is there anywhere it was expressly stated to have been created? The dex just says it was a guardian.
>Magnemite and Klink I thought about those, since they're kind of like Voltorb, but they don't really have anything to imply they couldn't exist without man. Voltorb is implied with the fact that they didn't exist before Pokéballs were invented, but Magnemite and Klink could be something like Vanillice where there's no actual connect to the thing off of which they're based.
>Electivire and Magmortar are artificial too Great observation, definitely makes sense in the same way Steelix/Scizor does.
Trubbish and Garbador definitely count, the dex says "The combination of garbage bags and industrial waste caused the chemical reaction that created this Pokémon."
>>13609410 Golurk definitely isn't and I already said that about Claydol. I don't know if there's a better word to use, but when I say artificial I mean "could not exist in its current form without human intervention".
>>13609414 That's why I said "to some extent".
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Oh by the way Steelix are found in the wild (Iron Island), as well as many other "trade" Pokemon, so I think it's safe to say all trade Pokemon that evolve from natural Pokemon are natural.
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>>13609449 >possed by a banette I derped. I meant shuppet
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>>13609470 I don't think ALL of them do that.
I means in Bw2 you find wild Kingdras and Milotics and it makes sense since all they need to evolve is a scale.
Magmortar and Electivire's items for evolution don't look natural at all though, more like they're human produced so I believe an Elekid or a Magmar will never go beyond Magmar/electabuzz in the wild unless it happens to come across a discarded item
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>>13609470 Electirizer and Magmarizer make the only exception.
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>>13609492 Unless Magmar and Electabuzz evolve naturally through years of exposure to X, and the items are just man-made ways to deliver a decade's worth of X in a single moment.
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>>13609497 Protector also.
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>>13609391 >>13609449 Banette are definitely artificial, thanks both of you.
I guess there should be a different category for Burmy, Wormadam, Rotom's Forms, and Genesect. I think Deoxys was a virus that developed into a Pokémon because of Earth though, not necessarily because of man. Am I wrong?
>>13609470 See that kind of goes with it, though. Like I think some Scizor and Steelix are natural (ie they live in a place with abundant metals like Iron Island) and eventually humans found a way to replicate that process. Same with the Electrilizer and Magmarizer, but those probably simulate a different natural effect.
>>13609513 That's kind of what I was saying. My first instinct on Magmarizer and Electrilizer are exposure to higher temperature and voltage, but I haven't really thought it over so that might not be right.
In Pokémon Snap a Charmeleon evolves when exposed to the high temperatures of some magma, if that gives credence to anything.
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>>13609454 I think it's implied within the game that Klink is sort of the result of human technologies when Juniper (I think) mentions that the species appeared about fifty years ago.
Also, it's important to note that we shouldn't so readily label pokemon as "artificial." The nature of pokemon allows for the spontaneous creation of life from nothing. It's why a lump of sludge can become a living being once exposed to mysterious energies.
I think it's more important to name "man-made" pokemon, as in pokemon that were intentionally created by humans. These are different than pokemon that inexplicably come into existence from pre-existing material (Voltorb). After all, how is a pile of sludge gaining sentience any different than life springing forth from a pool of primordial ooze?
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>>13609410 >energy beings Also the dex just says "they run on a mysterious energy", not that that energy represents a being like Claydol or Bannete.
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>>13609537 Also, we should be weary of calling Banette and Shuppet artificial. Ghost pokemon are often surrounded with folklore.
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Isn't it explicitly stayed that Kling might be man made? Doesn't Bianca or Juniper say they only appeared about 100 years ago?
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>>13609570 >Hi there! Did you find something? I think we're just about done collecting data. This cave has been around since the distant past, but... Data to prove that Klink existed more than a hundred years ago can't be found. So that must mean... Klink suddenly appeared a hundred years ago! Where Pokémon came from and where they are going... If we can learn that, I believe we can get along even better! Oh dag, you're right. Adding them to the list.
And yeah, there's definitely a difference between Pokémon that were de facto created and Pokémon that just couldn't exist without man.
>>13609594 That makes sense. I'm gonna put Fake Groudon and Banette in a "possibly" list.
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>>13609596 Not really man made but Pokemon seem to appear when ever new environments pop up.
Like Grimer, Weezing and Garbordor came about
because human pollution.
Kling on the other hand came around 100 years ago, that would be around the same time as the Meiji era.
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>>13609631 >Weezing Not really mentioned yet, but do Koffing and Weezing count? They're based on the idea of pollution, but I don't think it says anywhere that they didn't exist before pollution, just that they're filled with gas.
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>>13609492 >>13609497 The large amounts of "electric" and "magma" energy are sources that could be found in the wild, which makes me believe that the Electirizer and the Magmarizer are a similar case to the Metal Coat. Electabuzz and Magmar can evolve naturally with exposure to places or conditions that has that "large amount of energy", which is a case that happens with Nosepass and the magnetic features of Mt. Coronet.
I'm a bit iffy on the Protector though. Where in the wild could you find such a specific thing? Maybe a cave made out of the minerals the Protector is made out of?
>>13609594 Shupper are natural like the other Ghost Pokemon, but Banette are plush dolls possed by Shuppets
On the subject the Klink line, they have appeared only 50 years ago. They may be man made, but from what I recall there hasn't been much exposition or allusion to what may have caused gears to become Pokemon 50 years ago. You can say it may be Team Plasma, though the most I can imagine Team Plasma being related the Klink line is when a prototype Genesect experiment went wrong in a factory full of Gears. I don't know/
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Aren't the regis artificial? I think they were either manmade as totems to worship, or Regigigas made them from objects found in nature.
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>>13609719 Regigigas was said to have made them.
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>>13609687 I'm iffy on Protector as well, but I think it happens when a Rydon adds things to itself that make it stronger/more defended. This can be done artifically, I suppose.
>>13609719 I thought that too, but know. Read the bulbapedo article on the trio.
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So far it goes like this:>Voltorb >Electrode >Porygon* >Porygon 2* >Porygon-Z* >Grimer >Muk >Mewtwo* >Castform >Claydol >Klink >Klang >Klinklang >Golet* >Golurk* >Genesect* >Golden Sudowoodo* >Burmy Trash Cloak >Bulbasaurtwo >Squirtletwo >Charmandertwo >Venusaurtwo >Blastoisetwo >Charizardtwo >Pikachutwo >Steelix >Scizor >Magmortar >Electrivire >Rhyperior
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>>13609800 Also I suppose Sprititomb, Yamask, and Cofagrigus are all maybes in the same way Banette is a maybe.
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>>13609824 Again - is it confirmed to be man-made/altered? At the least it's a maybe. All I can see of it is that it was a guardian of ancient people's, not that they created it.
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>>13609824 We don't know if Sigilyph is artificial. It's just weird looking.
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>>13609800 Castform should have a star.
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>>13609800 Ah, you forgot to asterisk Castform, which was made by the Hoenn Weather Institute to keep updates on the weather.
BUT all of this "intentionally made" Pokemon seem a bit odd though considering they can reproduce and be found in swarms in the wild. But ah. I think it'll be for the best if we don't consider breeding, knowing Gamefreak hasn't really explained how breeding actually works.
(Digressing, I wonder if if the evolution inducing trade items could exist in the wild. Because it does bring up theories that you can possibly evolve a Nosepass and Magneton through trade holding a "Magnetizer" full of "magnetic energy". Or if you take the properties of Mossy and Icy Rocks and you could possibly evolve Eevee into Leafeon and Glaceon through trade.)
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>Forgetting Castform in the OP
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>>13609235 All pokemon r artificial cus its a game
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>>13609963 >I think it'll be for the best if we don't consider breeding, knowing Gamefreak hasn't really explained how breeding actually works. Agreed. I think it probably differs from canon to canon as well, like there are probably no Porygons making babies in the anime universe.
>Because it does bring up theories that you can possibly evolve a Nosepass and Magneton through trade holding a "Magnetizer" full of "magnetic energy". Or if you take the properties of Mossy and Icy Rocks and you could possibly evolve Eevee into Leafeon and Glaceon through trade. Exactly.
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>>13610005 >What are you trying to accomplish exactly? I like lists!
Also I forgot Baby Nidoqueen in the big list, even though I actually physically wrote it down for reference. I'm counting it because it's speculated that it was able to be due to either its parent being cloned, or the harsh conditions where it lived.
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>>13610060 Are this faggot and his brother, as well as Jigglypuff artificial or were they just locked away? I never watched the episode.
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>>13610073 They're Giant Pokemon, and are another case.
We've had SOME reference in the games that Pokemon do vary by size, with the Fishermen who ask for the biggest Magikarp/Remoraid, and the Seedot and Lotad Brothers.
We do know for a fact that Magikarp were MUCH bigger in ancient times, so the anime showing huge Pokemon isn't much of a stretch in the games. From what I recall in that certain episode, all three are in fact natural Pokemon
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>>13610104 Alright, thanks.
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>>13610104 If Magikarp were bigger, does that mean Gyrados was huge?
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>>13610191 Yes, and it looked like this.
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>>13610104 >We do know for a fact that Magikarp were MUCH bigger in ancient times Yeah, I still remember that tanned Nurse Joy from the Orange Islands and that gigantic Magikarp that hung around her.
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>>13609513 Now this is an interesting point, because if Magmar and Electabuzz don't evolve from natural exposure X is, then people can just force any Pokemon to evolve into a new form that has never existed. And then what prevents them from evolving Magmorter and Electivire?
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>>13609741 So now we have artificial Pokemon as the creative products of other Pokemon.
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>>13610557 I really don't enjoy the term "artificial."
It's as if we're trying to impose our definitions of life and conception onto the Pokemon World, where it's clear life/biology do not play by the same rules. And to me, "artificial" still implies creation with intent.
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>>13610946 Shut up, Asimov.
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>>13611002 Do Digimon actually exist in the real world? I don't keep up with the franchise.
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>>13611027 They can travel back and forth between the Digital World and the Real World under certain circumstances.
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>>13611126 In the original series, there was an incident where two digimon went on a rampage fighting each other after they had leaked into the real world. After the fight, they got pulled back to the Digital World The only witnesses were the very young main characters before they became the DigiDestined. The young children told the adults that monsters did it, but obviously they didn't believe it, and the entire event was chalked up as a terrorist bombing.
You can't get that in today's cartoons.
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>>13611263 Digimon the movie. Muh nigga. Parrotmon vs greymon. Tai and Kari were all like wtf is this shit right here?
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>>13613369 That greymon was scary as fuck. Nigga was huge.
