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Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 17:10:32 No.13653816 View View Reply Original Report

So, gentlemen. How do we fix Hidden Ore/Deceitful Boulders/Sneaky Pebbles?

>reduce their accuracy to 75
>hit checks on every switch in

Bam. Fixed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 17:12:01 No.13653833 Report

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>>13653816
either
>only lasts 5-7 turns
or
>disappears with whirlwind
>disappears when a rock pokemon is summoned

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 17:13:57 No.13653859 Report

Quoted By: >>13653918

They last 3-4 hits.
After they make contact that many times, they go byebye.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 17:15:53 No.13653877 Report

Quoted By: >>13654029 >>13654311 >>13654466 >>13655124

They're fucking fine the way they are.

If you let someone who knows it stay in and fail to punish them, or you choose not to have a Rapid Spinner on your team, you deserve to have your Charizard get raped.

Learn how to play the game you dumb faggots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 17:19:05 No.13653918 Report

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>>13653859
This. There should be a number of charges that goes down by 1 every time a Pokemon is hit by them.

It would even add more strategy because you would want to switch in a Pokemon that takes less damage to eat through the charges, and your opponent could predict what you'll switch in based on what isn't weak to Rock on your team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 17:27:03 No.13654029 Report

Quoted By: >>13654366 >>13654595

>>13653877
>can do as much damage as four layers of spikes (if that were possible) against 4x weak rock pokemon, completely ruining them unless you have a bulky Wish on the way
>equal to three layers of spikes against pokemon 2x weak to rock
>only requires ONE turn to set up
>no pokemon are immune to it unlike Spikes; so it is rarely wasted
Completely ruins Fire/Flying/Ice/Bug types who don't lead or who don't have a resistant secondary typing.

totally balanced

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 17:29:43 No.13654070 Report

Quoted By: >>13654366

If it's not broken, don't fix it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 17:31:12 No.13654103 Report

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Raise it's power

It does 20% of a Pokemon's health on a Neutral hit.

40% on a Super Effective Hit

80% on a 4x Effective Hit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 17:38:38 No.13654208 Report

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Make it like Spikes.
So you need 3 SRs set up to have it do full damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 17:44:51 No.13654278 Report

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Cut its damage in half. It's that simple.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 17:47:18 No.13654311 Report

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>>13653877
funny, I say the exact thing about double team and never miss moves yet you smogonfags refuse to hear it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 17:47:34 No.13654317 Report

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Introduce ice, fire, grass and steel type sneaky pebbles that can only be learned by these types.

Fixed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 17:50:08 No.13654353 Report

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Introduce Ice Pebbles and see how all the Dragons go to NU.
>Dragonite getting 85% losing 3/4 of it's full HP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 17:50:14 No.13654355 Report

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2 turn set up
1 stealh rock layer is half of what it is now, 2 is what it is now.

people are willing to lay down 3 turns for the 25% that spikes does, 2 turns for lots of 12.5s and 25s is still good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 17:51:02 No.13654366 Report

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>>13654070
See
>>13654029

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 17:57:15 No.13654466 Report

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>>13653877

Brb putting double team on all my mons.

There's more moves that overcome DT than SR, so it should be totally fine now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 17:59:30 No.13654492 Report

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One use sets up 4 hits with Stealth Rock

Does the same amount of damage as now but you only got 4 hits before you have to lay more

HOWEVER

You get to choose when Stealth Rocks activate on a switch or not

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 18:06:31 No.13654581 Report

Quoted By: >>13654597

>Stealth Rocks always does 25% damage to all types/combos except rock and steel
>Only hits once then the rocks fall from the air
>Must be set up again once the rocks fall over

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 18:07:43 No.13654595 Report

Quoted By: >>13654621

>>13654029
>Does 6% to those with one resist
>Does 3% to those with two resists
>Pokemon with Stealth Rock weakness like Volcarona, Ninetails, Dragonite, Salamence, Cloyster, Gyarados, Kyurem-B, and Thunderus-T are still able to excel in OU with the presence of rocks
>Can easily be removed in one turn with Rapid Spin
>Can be reflected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce users with adequate prediction
>Wastes an entire move slot for a move that is only activated once the entire battle
>Pokemon is a sitting duck during the turn it uses Stealth Rock, leaving it vulnerable to be KO'd and the rocks permanently removed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 18:08:02 No.13654597 Report

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>>13654581
Also, switching in a rock or steel type makes the rocks fall too. forgot that

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 18:10:09 No.13654621 Report

Quoted By: >>13654691

>>13654595
>Pokemon is a sitting duck during the turn it uses Stealth Rock, leaving it vulnerable to be KO'd and the rocks permanently removed
That's with any that isn't protect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 18:10:35 No.13654628 Report

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I'd be fine with reduced damage across the board, Rock types absorbing them like Toxic Spikes and Poison types, multi turn setup, or some combination of the 3.

It's not a terrible move but it could be much more interesting for both the user and opponent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 18:14:41 No.13654691 Report

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>>13654621
So it's going to use Stealth Rock and Protect the same turn?

k.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 18:22:48 No.13654800 Report

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SR does fixed 10% damage to everything.
Done

SR still breaks sashes and causes passive damage wihout making anything useless and doesn't overshadow Spikes since it can't be staked

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 18:48:04 No.13655124 Report

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>>13653877
why do i need a shitty normal type move wasted one one of my pokes. all my pokemon are perfect the way they are and it hurts my team to have to replace a move with rapid spin. i found ways around it, switching in my volcarona when i think the rocks are coming or wish passing. its still annoying as shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 18:48:54 No.13655139 Report

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>>13653816
>implying broken

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