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Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 14:48:24 No.13749538 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13749599 >>13749627

Don't mind me, just on my way to the top of the metagame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 14:49:08 No.13749545 Report

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You already are

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 14:50:30 No.13749570 Report

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>on my way

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 14:51:31 No.13749599 Report

Quoted By: >>13749627 >>13749794 >>13749936

>>13749538

..b-but you're weak to fire and neutral to flying
I resist both of your types

I'll make it to OU because I can beat you, right?

....right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 14:52:50 No.13749620 Report

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Catch a Shadow Ball nigga.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 14:53:10 No.13749627 Report

Quoted By: >>13749665

>>13749538

Sorry, meant to say the Gen VI metagame.

>>13749599

Shut up, Meg

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 14:53:22 No.13749633 Report

Quoted By: >>13749743

Friendly reminder that Shitzard kills Scizor in a 1v1

Charizard is still garbage though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 14:53:59 No.13749642 Report

Quoted By: >>13749868

That's only because only game is all about generated pokes.
Good luck breeding a legit one then evolving it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 14:55:23 No.13749659 Report

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>this gen introduce a widely spread fire priority move
>down to RU you go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 14:55:42 No.13749665 Report

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>>13749627
but gen 6 or not it's already at the top of the metagame

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 14:59:34 No.13749718 Report

Quoted By: >>13749824 >>13749977

lel enjoy dying to dark and ghost attacks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:01:13 No.13749743 Report

Quoted By: >>13749761 >>13749832 >>13749865 >>13749873

>>13749633
>focus sash
>acrobatics
>quick attack
ded zard, ded game

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:02:12 No.13749761 Report

Quoted By: >>13749785

>>13749743
>acrobatics on Scizor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:03:04 No.13749785 Report

Quoted By: >>13749832 >>13749865

>>13749761
>remember that shitzard kills scizor 1v1
it doesn't
:3c

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:03:35 No.13749794 Report

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>>13749599

You also lose half of your health when you come to the field.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:05:07 No.13749824 Report

Quoted By: >>13749872

>>13749718
>dark
It still has bug resistant
>ghost
Shadow Punch/Shadow Ball/Shadow Sneak

I'm pretty sure it still has more than enough bulk to take those hits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:05:26 No.13749832 Report

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>>13749743
>using Focus Sah on a Scizor
plebbin' it up

>>13749785
>being this delusionmal

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:07:07 No.13749865 Report

Quoted By: >>13749891

>>13749743
>using a Focus Sash on a Scizor
plebbin' it up

>>13749785
>being this delusional

Just accept it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:07:16 No.13749868 Report

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>>13749642
i have one

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:07:25 No.13749872 Report

Quoted By: >>13749904 >>13749915

>>13749824
>I'm pretty sure it still has more than enough bulk to take those hits.
it's easily 2HKO'd by any strong shadow ball

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:07:29 No.13749873 Report

Quoted By: >>13749891

>>13749743
>implying you can 1hKO anything wihtout a stab using shitzor

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:08:48 No.13749891 Report

Quoted By: >>13749947 >>13750000 >>13750151

>>13749865
You said charizard beats scizor 1v1.
It's wrong.
Why am I being "delusional" (it's not even the correct way to write it)? It's true. Scizor could even use HP rock with technician for a guaranteed OHKO, if you want even more chances to KO it.
252+ SpA Technician Scizor Hidden Power Rock vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Charizard: 292-344 (98.31 - 115.82%) -- 81.25% chance to OHKO

>>13749873
calc above

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:09:15 No.13749902 Report

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inb4 fire priority move

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:09:24 No.13749904 Report

Quoted By: >>13749976

>>13749872
But anything can 2HKO it usually can't take a Sworded Bullet Punch. Or an unsworded Bullet Punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:09:59 No.13749915 Report

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>>13749872
You mean a STAB Shadow Ball.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:11:01 No.13749936 Report

Quoted By: >>13749997

>>13749599
>come in on Scizor
>lose 50% of HP
>get hit with Bullet Punch
>lose 25% more HP
>new turn
>get hit with Bullet Punch
>die

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:11:26 No.13749947 Report

Quoted By: >>13749967 >>13749975 >>13750140

>>13749891
scizor is slow as shit and only survive in OU because of its collection of priorty move.
Your non priority attack is not hitting the opponent, ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:12:26 No.13749967 Report

Quoted By: >>13750000 >>13750044

>>13749947
I'm talking about an 1vs1 situation, man.
sash + HP rock kills charizard, even if it will-o-wisps or flamethrowers you or whatever, meaning you can always beat shitzard. The thing is that, even if the opponent's charizard runs sash, you can always use quick attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:12:50 No.13749975 Report

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>>13749947
it was stated that it was sashed
even if charizard is sashed too scizor can just BP is next turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:12:52 No.13749976 Report

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>>13749904
it's a huge difference when scizor used to be one of the best switch ins to ghost attacks but is now wrecked by them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:12:54 No.13749977 Report

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>>13749718
Oh no, now they'll hit for 50% instead of 25% while I proceed to ohko with priority!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:13:43 No.13749997 Report

Quoted By: >>13750046

>>13749936
>come in to charizard
>die because it's retarded to make matchups based on pokes not being at full potential in both side.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:13:49 No.13750000 Report

Quoted By: >>13750025 >>13750061

>>13749891
>>13749967
so wait, scizor can have a sash and a priority attack but charizard can't?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:14:58 No.13750025 Report

Quoted By: >>13750053

>>13750000
What priority attack does charizard even get?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:15:36 No.13750044 Report

Quoted By: >>13750065

>>13749967
>HP rock on scizor
>grasping this fucking hard at straws

it's going to be a good morning

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:15:50 No.13750046 Report

Quoted By: >>13750218

>>13749997
>muh retarded logic
'beating' a Pokemon means coming in on it and KOing it. In proper 1 on 1 almost everything can KO almost everything with proper items/moves like HP Rock Scizor mentioned above. Stay stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:16:06 No.13750053 Report

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>>13750025
yeah nevermind just realized that, I would have sworn it got quick attack but I'm getting mixed up with typhlosion or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:16:23 No.13750061 Report

Quoted By: >>13750085

>>13750000
Have you ever met Scizor without Bullet Punch?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:16:48 No.13750065 Report

Quoted By: >>13750217

>>13750044
Still talking about 1vs1 situation, m8.
Scizor wins in an 1vs1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:17:31 No.13750081 Report

Quoted By: >>13750155

this gen introduce fire jet
gg

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:18:02 No.13750085 Report

Quoted By: >>13750118

>>13750061
is the scenario here not hypothetical 1v1s?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:19:34 No.13750118 Report

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>>13750085
It is, iunno what that guy is talking about
but anyway even in 1v1 scizor still wins thanks to having the great thing named priority attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:20:43 No.13750140 Report

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>>13749947
>has never played OU ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:21:18 No.13750151 Report

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>>13749891
If you're going to tailor your Scizor specifically to beat Charizard, then I can do the same thing.

252+ SpA Technician Quiet Scizor Hidden Power Rock vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Calm Charizard with Charti Berry: 78 - 94 (21.7% - 26.1%)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:21:28 No.13750155 Report

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>>13750081
>Scizor falls to ~#5
>Heatran becomes #1 even more than in late Gen IV
That's not an improvement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:22:52 No.13750174 Report

Quoted By: >>13750190

>Theorycrafting this hard

Special Charizard holding Sash while using Fire Spin
252+ SpA Charizard (Move 1) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Scizor: 268-324 (95.37 - 115.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

Dies at the end of the turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:23:47 No.13750190 Report

Quoted By: >>13750200

>>13750174
except charizard dies before, thanks to HP rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:24:11 No.13750200 Report

Quoted By: >>13750241

>>13750190
>HOLDING SASH
>HOLDING SASH
>HOLDING SASH

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:24:55 No.13750217 Report

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>>13750065
Will win but not confirmed wins. Scizor got 70% chance of winning.
Burn and its game over.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:24:59 No.13750218 Report

Quoted By: >>13750291

>>13750046
>HP Rock Scizor mentioned above
you will need a set up to achieve what you are bragging about there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:25:44 No.13750241 Report

Quoted By: >>13750272 >>13750281

>>13750200
Oh
then scizor can hold an occa berry

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:27:25 No.13750272 Report

Quoted By: >>13750338

>>13750241
And then Charizard will use a stronger fire move. See where this is taking us?

252+ SpA Charizard Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Occa Berry Scizor: 362-428 (128.82 - 152.31%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:27:46 No.13750281 Report

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>>13750241
scizor can't kill charti berry charizard with HP rock + quick attack in 2 shots. charizard can

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:28:18 No.13750291 Report

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>>13750218
What? Calcs were already done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:30:52 No.13750338 Report

Quoted By: >>13750430 >>13750559

>>13750272
Run 252HP, then. You only have a 50% chance to OHKO scizor with flamethrower, while fire spin can't OHKO at all, while you use HP rock + quick attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:36:13 No.13750430 Report

Quoted By: >>13750852

>>13750338
252+ SpA Charizard Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Occa Berry Scizor: 362-428 (105.23 - 124.41%) -- guaranteed OHKO
What? It's still a OHKO.

252+ SpA Charizard Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Occa Berry Scizor: 252-296 (73.25 - 86.04%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 HP/S.Def

This means you have no investment in S.Atk at all.

0 SpA Scizor Hidden Power Rock vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Charti Berry Charizard: 72-86 (20 - 23.88%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
Have fun trying to KO it retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:37:42 No.13750466 Report

Quoted By: >>13750573 >>13750700

252+ SpA Technician Scizor Hidden Power Rock vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Charti Berry Charizard: 102-120 (28.33 - 33.33%) -- 0.02% chance to 3HKO

252+ SpA Technician Scizor Hidden Power Rock vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Charizard: 204-240 (56.66 - 66.66%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:42:06 No.13750559 Report

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>>13750338
252spa with 252spd or hp scizor won't beat a 252spA/252spD charizard holding charti berry with hp rock+q.attk.
Hp rock does 50-70% on 252spd charizard w/o even using the charti berry.
Charizard>scizor 1v1

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:42:55 No.13750573 Report

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>>13750466
Scizor has a 0.0000125% of 2HKOing Charizard.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:43:00 No.13750577 Report

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HOLD ON A SECOND!

Charizard, Scizor please. We all know that's I can OHKO both of you and your "attacks" are either resisted or do shit damage to me.

Rotom-H Master race

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:50:11 No.13750700 Report

Quoted By: >>13750734 >>13750780

>>13750466
252+ SpA Technician Scizor Hidden Power Rock vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Charti Berry Charizard: 102-120 (28.33 - 33.33%) -- 0.02% chance to 3HKO

252+ SpA Technician Scizor Hidden Power Rock vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Charizard: 204-240 (85 - 100%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO

6.25% x 0.02% = 0.0000125%

Scizor will never 2HKO Charizard without a crit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:52:13 No.13750734 Report

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>>13750700
Oh, I completely forgot about Speed. Charizard outspeeds Scizor, so the most Scizor can do is HP Rock, then Quick Attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:54:13 No.13750776 Report

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So far, my Weezing has been able to fry any Scizor it's encountered on OU without any trouble.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:54:21 No.13750780 Report

Quoted By: >>13750846

>>13750700
Can you even read the calc? Assuming Scizor gets min on both rolls, it's doing 28.33% and then 85%, which is over 100%.

I agree though, Scizor can't beat Charizard 1v1

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:57:10 No.13750846 Report

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>>13750780
The second calc was assuming Charizard got hit with maximum damage.

Full health Charizard without Chart Berry:

252+ SpA Technician Scizor Hidden Power Rock vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Charizard: 204-240 (56.66 - 66.66%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Sep 2013 15:57:27 No.13750852 Report

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>>13750430
That can't be everyone knows that Charizard is worse than Sunkern.

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