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>>13789961
OK, Spore is no longer as broken. Breloom is fucked. Nothing else.

>Oh man, time to run electric types to block paralysis!

That's the same thing people did before but with ground

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Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:41:50 No.13790051 Report

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>>13789947
>electric types not being able to have their speed reduced because who the fuck uses Scary Face
>grass types being immune to sleep because who the fuck uses Hypnosis/Grass Whistle and Darkrai's in Ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:42:11 No.13790055 Report

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>>13790016
It makes electric an excellent secondary type I don't see why you are so defensive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:42:21 No.13790058 Report

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>>13790011
http://www.pokemonxy.com/_ui/img/_en/art/Type-Matchup_chart_EN.pdf

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:43:39 No.13790080 Report

Quoted By: >>13790095 >>13790149 >>13790235 >>13791075

>>13790016

It's more important than that.

>harder for Breloom to setup
>electric types can now switch into Jirachi's body slam and act as a counter to her Paraflinch variant
>same thing with Togekiss
>scarfed DW chandelure might not be able to check ghost types IF the trapping thing extends to abilities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:44:11 No.13790089 Report

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>>13790016
>Breloom is fucked
Nah, we just need to make sure to carry someone else to kill off Ferrothorn. It's not like there's that many decent grass Pokémon anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:44:40 No.13790095 Report

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>>13790080

also

>more Pokemon can switch into Venusaur's Sleep Powder

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:46:28 No.13790125 Report

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Will stun spore work on electric?

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Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:47:47 No.13790137 Report

Quoted By: >>13790175

>Electrics inmune to stun spore and paralyze shenanigans
>Grass inmune to spore, sleep powder and stun spore

My favorite types get better? feels good man

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:48:43 No.13790146 Report

Quoted By: >>13790229 >>13793264

could be nice, countering powder user with underused pokes like plant/flying or plant/insect

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:49:02 No.13790149 Report

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>>13790080
if it does extend to abilities, how will Honedge behave under the effecta of Magnet Pull?

Fuck. Like. What would happen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:49:11 No.13790151 Report

Quoted By: >>13790167 >>13795164

Glad paralysis was nerfed, it's one of the most annoying status effects, tied with sleep, poison, burn, and freeze.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:49:19 No.13790152 Report

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>>13789888
Now, if they would just make Fire types immune to freezing...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:49:35 No.13790159 Report

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More buffs for Gengar, excellent.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:50:07 No.13790167 Report

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>>13790151
>tied with sleep, poison, burn, and freeze.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:50:51 No.13790175 Report

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>>13790137

>grass
>getting better

One of their biggest pros was being able to Spore/Stun Spore/Sleep Powder, so it's not really a buff.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:54:57 No.13790229 Report

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>>13790146
>plant

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Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:55:17 No.13790235 Report

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>>13790080
>Genderless Pokemon
>Her

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Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:55:41 No.13790242 Report

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>spore nerfed
FUCK YOU ARASH

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:55:43 No.13790244 Report

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>>13790175

How many gass types do you see in battle? Venusaur and Breloom? Celebi if you're into PS
How is that a bad thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 16:57:41 No.13790273 Report

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this + fairy weakness to poison may make some old grass/poison pokes interesting again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:00:47 No.13790327 Report

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>>13790152
That and having Rock types absorb Stealth Rocks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:02:36 No.13790355 Report

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>>13790327
Why would a rock absorb rocks?
However, i think that some pokemon shouldn't even be damaged by stealth rocks, I mean, Aggron must be harder than a bunch of pebles

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:03:57 No.13790381 Report

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>>13790152
Eh, using a fire type move thaws you out immediately, so it's not that big of a problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:05:54 No.13790408 Report

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>>13790355
If the rock is bigger than a few pebbles, I'd imagine they'd just kind of lodge themselves into the big rock and make the rock bigger. Or something like that. Imagine if rock-types healed for switching into Stealth Rock.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:07:39 No.13790430 Report

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>>13790235
It happens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:09:16 No.13790460 Report

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>>13790244

Go to UU or lower and you'll see.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:10:34 No.13790481 Report

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>>13789888
Holy fuck you're later than fucking Bulbapedia. Cunt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:10:53 No.13790488 Report

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>>13790460
Why would I use UU shit in official matches?

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Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:14:10 No.13790547 Report

Quoted By: >>13790662

>gigantic tank chlorophyll/ thickfat that absorbs leech, and is immune to the most common status moves
We old school now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:17:35 No.13790611 Report

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>>13790089
Virizion will wreck now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:21:31 No.13790662 Report

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>>13790547
Venusaur had Utility with Powder moves, this nerfs him a bit, but then again he is poison and that's huge in GEN 6. Although overall this either makes non-utility Pokemon better or about the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:38:38 No.13790880 Report

Quoted By: >>13791196

>>13789888
>ghost type roaming legendary

The Cancer

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The Cancer Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:38:59 No.13790884 Report

Quoted By: >>13790942 >>13790960 >>13790967 >>13791087 >>13794530

I hate to ask but if your move matches your secondary type do you still get a stab bonus? a mini stab bonus? like magniton using thunder

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:42:09 No.13790942 Report

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>>13790884
You get a 50% boosts on moves of all your types, who the fuck doesn't know this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:43:08 No.13790960 Report

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>>13790884
No. Only the first type gets stab.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:43:37 No.13790967 Report

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>>13790884
yes both

The Cancer

The Cancer Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:43:46 No.13790970 Report

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>>13790942
I know that but I didnt know if that was limited to your just primary type or not, like only getting 25% boost if the move type matches secondary i thought until I asked. No one knows everyone about Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:45:12 No.13790996 Report

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>>13790970
There is no such thing as "primary type" and "secondary type" in the games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:45:38 No.13791003 Report

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>>13789888
Wait, Steel and Ground types never got a Special Defense boost in the sand? I feel dumb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:46:24 No.13791018 Report

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>>13790970
No, it's full STAB on all your types (ignore >>13790960). So Magneton gets STAB on Electric and Steel moves, Charizard gets STAB on Fire and Flying moves, etc...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:47:34 No.13791040 Report

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>>13790488
>Hitmontop
>Cresselia

The Cancer

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The Cancer Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:48:21 No.13791048 Report

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Sorry for my ignorance I know plenty about the games/series/plots and shit but I never really cared until recently to learn the battle faqs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:50:08 No.13791075 Report

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>>13790080
Basically, it is now going to be even easier for Magnezone to fuck up Jirachi and Togekiss.

>>13790149
I assume Honedge being Ghost will not be affected by Magnet Pull. And this would be the only case of this new ability of Ghost types being used in OU.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:50:45 No.13791087 Report

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>>13790884

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Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:51:48 No.13791109 Report

Quoted By: >>13791122 >>13791137 >>13791168

So what all does this change? Grass types are going to be used to counter Breloom and other Spore abusers more now, making those pokemon drop in usage

Electric becomes a very good type to have as now Jirachi and Togekiss lose the ability to paralysis electric types who are also generally faster than both of them.

Electric types also cannot be slowed down anymore meaning speedy electric types may get more usage (Jolteon)

What else?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:52:48 No.13791122 Report

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>>13791109
Muh Eelektross can switch in to Thunder Waves an tank better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:53:33 No.13791137 Report

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>>13791109
Jolteon doesn't get usage because it's offensive movepool is ass and isn't good at taking hits.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:53:47 No.13791146 Report

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>>13791075

>Implying Honedge will make it to OU whith steel type losing the two resistances that made it worthwhile competitively.

Don't get me wrong, I like Honedge and will probably use it in-game, but don't delude yourself thinking it's gonna be any good outside of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:54:56 No.13791161 Report

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>>13791146

Clarification "made IT worthwhile", the "it" refers to honedge, not the steel type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:55:16 No.13791168 Report

Quoted By: >>13791553

>>13791109
Jolteon already has Volt Absorb, with the exception of Body Slam Jirachi it never really needed to worry about being paralyzed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:55:49 No.13791182 Report

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>>13791146
True, but we don't even have the stats yet.
I was also very hyped at finally getting a Steel/Ghost mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:55:56 No.13791186 Report

Quoted By: >>13791207 >>13791253

>>13791137
I was just using Jolteon for an example of a speedy electric type. Electric types nonetheless are going to be used alot more in this meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:56:08 No.13791190 Report

Quoted By: >>13791248

>>13791146
Yeah, it's pretty shitty that we finally get a Steel/Ghost and it's now weak to Dark and Ghost attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:56:26 No.13791193 Report

Quoted By: >>13791267

>>13791146
This whole metagame is going to change. You can't predict that at all. Steel picked up a Fairy resistance, which looks to be breddy powerful. Not to mention it still resists Ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:56:42 No.13791196 Report

Quoted By: >>13791539 >>13794605

>>13790880
>ghost-type roaming legendary with access to Roar

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:56:48 No.13791199 Report

Quoted By: >>13791219

No-one mentioning the fact that both Steel and Poison are immune to poison? That's pretty important shit.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:57:09 No.13791204 Report

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>>13791146

>100
>120
>100
>20
>80
>99

>Gho/STL typing and resitances
>Not OU material

Been needed this slimy bastard for my Mono Steel team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:57:25 No.13791207 Report

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>>13791186
I wouldn't say that. Most of the worthwhile ones already had Volt Absorb/LightningRod/Motor Drive. Doesn't change too much/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:57:30 No.13791210 Report

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Loss like wobbufet I'd getting knocked out of ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:57:54 No.13791215 Report

Quoted By: >>13791244

>>13789888

I get most of that, but wasn't grass always immune to leech seed? why did they feel a need to put that up there?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:58:06 No.13791219 Report

Quoted By: >>13791272

>>13791199
can't tell if trolling or new

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:59:14 No.13791244 Report

Quoted By: >>13791416

>>13791215
They put up that Fire doesn't get burned and all of the conditions that existed before..so why wouldn't they for grass?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:59:38 No.13791248 Report

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>>13791190
I was more annoyed by the fact that it was one of the best defensive-typings but the design was so clearly offensive based.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 17:59:47 No.13791253 Report

Quoted By: >>13791311

>>13791186
Correction: Magnezone will be used a lot more in this meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:00:26 No.13791267 Report

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>>13791193
Steel itself or with other types is still very good but Steel/Ghost lost two things that would had made it amazing, it now has 4 weakness on a Pokemon that may or may not have good stats yet

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:00:36 No.13791272 Report

Quoted By: >>13791331

>>13791219

As in the Poison/Deadly Poison/Toxic Spikes effect, you autist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:01:29 No.13791293 Report

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>>13791204
Yeah, Fighting immunity is going to be a godsend for Mono-Steel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:02:31 No.13791311 Report

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>>13791253
Addendum: Rotom may also see a spike in usage, maybe also Zapdos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:03:35 No.13791331 Report

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>>13791272
Nope, just retarded. Its ALWAYS been that way man. They obviously would have mentioned it if it were new. Jeez.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:03:56 No.13791338 Report

Quoted By: >>13791352 >>13791363 >>13791374

I can't wait for the Gen 6 roaming ghost legendary.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:04:54 No.13791352 Report

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>>13791338
with Insomnia

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:05:17 No.13791363 Report

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>>13791338

>Giritana
>Roaming

>Assuming were getting more legendaries
>Not just using Mega formes of all past ones

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:06:13 No.13791374 Report

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>>13791338
We had the problem in Gold and Silver HG/SS already. Mean look -> Wild Entei used Roar!
Fucking asshole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:06:31 No.13791382 Report

Quoted By: >>13791393

>>13791204
>99 base speed

right in the gabber..

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:07:17 No.13791393 Report

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>>13791382
Might be faster than MegaGarchomp

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:08:35 No.13791416 Report

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>>13791244

oh right didn't notice that
ignore me then

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:10:45 No.13791444 Report

Quoted By: >>13791488 >>13791490

>>13791204
When were its stats ever confirmed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:13:51 No.13791488 Report

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>>13791444
Never, anon is pulling numbers out of his ass. I highly doubt we'll get any official BSTs until it releases and we can calculate it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:14:15 No.13791490 Report

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>>13791444
They weren't

Stereo-type of a cursed, animated sword. Strong, and surprisingly nimble.

if this thing gets anything LESS then 90 speed/ 100HP, I'll chuck my 3DS and buy a 2DS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:17:39 No.13791539 Report

Quoted By: >>13791583 >>13794482

>>13791196

With Prankster ability

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:18:55 No.13791553 Report

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>>13791168
And now its dw ability Quick feet is as useless as Damp in Jellicent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:19:02 No.13791555 Report

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>>13791003

>wanting to make Steel and Ground stronger

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:21:59 No.13791583 Report

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>>13791539
There's more than one roaming.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:27:17 No.13791668 Report

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>>13790175
Did you even read OP?

Grass can still use those moves, they just aren't affected by them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:29:01 No.13791693 Report

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>>13791553
It can still get speed boost from Burn/Poison

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Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 18:38:48 No.13791880 Report

Quoted By: >>13793301

>>13789888

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Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 19:48:32 No.13793199 Report

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>>13790430
This was cute.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 19:52:28 No.13793264 Report

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>>13790146
>Plant
>Insect

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 19:54:50 No.13793301 Report

Quoted By: >>13794091

>>13791880
>Something changes in the Pokemon games
>OMG SMOGON is dead
I kek every time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 20:02:53 No.13793438 Report

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>>13790408
>Imagine if rock-types healed for switching into Stealth Rock.
Now that would improve the metagame

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 20:38:04 No.13794091 Report

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>>13793301
If Hidden Power disappeared, so would Smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 20:52:51 No.13794339 Report

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As much as I love Breloom, I'm glad that it will now have more checks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 20:59:57 No.13794482 Report

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>>13791539
but roar has negative priority, it won't be any faster than a normal move

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 21:02:25 No.13794530 Report

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>>13790884
>The Cancer
indeed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 21:04:32 No.13794562 Report

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I never knew the ice types unable to be frozen thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 21:06:38 No.13794605 Report

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>>13791196
>with access to Roar
Why would you even specify that? It's already unaffected by mean look and shadow tag. It would escape anyway, what possible use would it have for Roar?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 21:08:48 No.13794649 Report

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>>13791137

>Jolteon doesn't get usage

wat

For an electric type, Thunderbolt and HP: Ice is enough. Add Volt Switch for scouting, and something like Signal Beam just for some extra coverage, and you're set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 21:16:16 No.13794782 Report

Quoted By: >>13795273

>>13791204
>Dat Mew behind the truck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 21:16:23 No.13794786 Report

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>Electric pokemon can't be paralyzed

But what about Stun Powder and Glare? Those don't have shit-all to do with electricity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 21:17:16 No.13794803 Report

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>>13789947
Learn2play first, plz. This is a huge change. Spore is finally fixed, as well as random Grass status moves. There are now more options to switch in against standard TWavers.

>>13790016
No they didn't. Parashufflers carried ice or grass coverage and were fool-proof.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 21:19:52 No.13794846 Report

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>>13789888
It's gonna be really interesting to see if Pursuit counts as "preventing fleeing".

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 21:20:34 No.13794860 Report

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>>13789947
If we hadn't gotten the Fairy type, THIS would have been the biggest mechanic change of this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 21:22:45 No.13794909 Report

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>>13791137

Maybe they'll fix Synchronoise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 21:27:24 No.13795010 Report

Quoted By: >>13795298

>Breloom now learns Acrobatics

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 21:36:09 No.13795164 Report

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>>13790151
not sure if retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 21:42:31 No.13795273 Report

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>>13794782
Ha ha. That's wonderful

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 21:43:21 No.13795298 Report

Quoted By: >>13795443

>>13795010
Why would that help? It needs Toxic Orb to be useful

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Sep 2013 21:52:15 No.13795443 Report

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>>13795298

Not Technician Breloom.

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