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How do you feel about...

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 13:54:20 No.13859613 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13859653

...the dragones' reign being over?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 13:57:00 No.13859639 Report

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>implying a round pink thing can take down a huge dragon regardless

All depends on how you train m8

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 13:57:22 No.13859641 Report

Quoted By: >>13859652 >>13859657 >>13859664 >>13859666 >>13859667 >>13859693 >>13859722 >>13859723

I'm more pissed about fairy being SE to fighting.
Fuck dragons, why does it hurt fighting?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 13:58:49 No.13859652 Report

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>>13859641
You ever try to punch a fairy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 13:58:58 No.13859653 Report

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>>13859613
I really don't care. It's not that big of a deal or anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 13:59:17 No.13859657 Report

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>>13859641
musketeers were OP. Gamefreak cares about balance after all!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 13:59:21 No.13859658 Report

Quoted By: >>13859675 >>13859686

What's the bet that all the Fairy Pokemon will end up with shitty stats and thus be irrelevant despite being a strong type on paper

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:00:24 No.13859664 Report

Quoted By: >>13859953

>>13859641
because:
- psy is shit
- flying is nearly never used thanks to sneaky peebles
- fighting is the reason nobody uses normal types at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:00:33 No.13859666 Report

Quoted By: >>13860035

>>13859641
Fighting is a pretty OP type. It needed the nerf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:00:47 No.13859667 Report

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>>13859641
Usually fists can't stop Fey from tricking you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:01:28 No.13859675 Report

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>>13859658
Dragonfag denial is so sweet.

Chin up bro, one day you'll turn fifteen and stop caring about shitty dragons

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:02:21 No.13859686 Report

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>>13859658

Azumarill has good stats and Ice Punch. Sylveon will have good stats as all Eeveelutions do. And we are probably getting a Fairy pseudo-legendary (just like we got a Dark one when it got introduced).

RIP dragones!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:03:30 No.13859693 Report

Quoted By: >>13859722

>>13859641
RIP in piece Heracross
Gen2-Gen6

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:09:16 No.13859722 Report

Quoted By: >>13859923

>>13859693
>>13859641

I wanted to say that they won't be able to take a CC, but then I went on serebii to read the type chart leak, and they actually resist fighting (and bug and dark!). Before that, I thought it would be immune to dragon and have no resists. I'm now sure they will be the premier type competitively, like dragones were before.

Some fighters (and dragones) get moves like Iron Tail I guess, lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:09:29 No.13859723 Report

Quoted By: >>13859746

>>13859641
>W-Why can't I instantly kill anything with muh precious fighting types

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Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:15:30 No.13859746 Report

Quoted By: >>13859772 >>13859792

>>13859723
I hope Pangoro gets Meteor Mash and Bullet Punch so I can run your fairy shit in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:21:05 No.13859772 Report

Quoted By: >>13859820 >>13859990

>>13859746

Didn't someone here show that Fairy Wind was a priority move? If so, bullet punch won't help you!

Both dragones and fighters get brought down to their knees! Swirlix will prevail!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:24:47 No.13859792 Report

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>>13859746
>I'll wreck you with my 2x attack against your 4x effective attack!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:25:15 No.13859796 Report

Quoted By: >>13859812 >>13859831

Lets hope fairies dont get a priority attack.. That'd be fucking gay. And fairies shouldnt be super against dark. It didnt have that much going for it anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:27:25 No.13859812 Report

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>>13859796
The Poodle's already been confirmed to have a priority Fairy type attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:28:01 No.13859820 Report

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>>13859772
It isn't but they do have Baby Doll Eyes which also can lower opponent's ATK and also a priority attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:29:13 No.13859831 Report

Quoted By: >>13859900 >>13859940

>>13859796
Already confirmed that they get "Baby Doll Eyes," a priority attack that can lower speed I think.
I wish I was joking about the name.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:39:40 No.13859900 Report

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>>13859831
>Baby Doll Eyes
I'll say it again. Sounds like the name of a Stand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:44:02 No.13859923 Report

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>>13859722
I wouldn't go that far, the pool of faries is going to be much more shallow. If Mega Mawile has physical priority moves though, she will be the new Scizor. Huge power makes up for the lack of a choice band if her base attack is higher than Mawile's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:46:19 No.13859940 Report

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>>13859831
Well.... They just keep getting better.. I rather have dragons be the best rather than fairies

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:47:34 No.13859953 Report

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>>13859664
>psy is shit
What world do you live in?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:51:05 No.13859990 Report

Quoted By: >>13860017 >>13860042

>>13859772
Prevail nothing.
It's about time poison type got some new prey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:52:28 No.13860007 Report

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Since you're just more Scizor fodder, I don't really care.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:53:46 No.13860017 Report

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>>13859990
All hail the kings of OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:56:13 No.13860035 Report

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>>13859666
Fighting type:
Hits 5 types SE:
Hits 3 types NVE
Cannot damage 1 type
Has 2 weaknesses
Resists 3 types

Now?
Hits 5 types SE
Hits 4 types NVE
Cannot hit 1 type
Has 3 weaknesses
Resists 3 types

Every Fighting type will carry Fire Punch or Bullet Punch now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:56:54 No.13860042 Report

Quoted By: >>13860053

>>13859990
Poison needed another use, I love that type, now we just need to help Ice out...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:57:22 No.13860045 Report

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Lucario and Scizor will deal with most fairies, I'm not too concerned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 14:58:20 No.13860053 Report

Quoted By: >>13860077 >>13860094

>>13860042

Except Steel still does everything Poison can do. AS usual gamefreaks fucks up its attempts at "balancing" things, lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:00:36 No.13860077 Report

Quoted By: >>13860105

>>13860053
Still, its nice to have one more thing it can kill you know? It has another use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:02:44 No.13860094 Report

Quoted By: >>13860108 >>13860117 >>13860123 >>13860125 >>13860126 >>13860134

>>13860053
Yup.

Fairies weakness: Fire, Steel, Poison.

Steel has shit SEs outside of Fairy and poor distribution among pokemon. No one will use this except for steel types.

Poison has awful SEs outside of Fairy. No one will use this except for Poison types.

Fire now has 5 SEs (Grass, Ice, Bug, Steel, Fairy), and many pokemon can learn good fire moves.

Fire got a HUGE buff this gen. A Fire/Fairy w/ Levitate would fuck the metagame so hard.

GF can't balance for shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:03:52 No.13860105 Report

Quoted By: >>13860277

>>13860077
It's a throwaway, irrelevant weakness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:04:11 No.13860108 Report

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>>13860094
>being this misinformed

Go look at the fucking type chart

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:05:26 No.13860117 Report

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>>13860094

If they made steel NOT resistant to fairy, that would actually be a reason to use poison types. Now, the only ones that will get used are the same that were good before - for example Gengar - where the poison type is just an innocent bystander.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:05:40 No.13860120 Report

Quoted By: >>13860144 >>13860147 >>13860276

A fairy with Earthquake can dispatch every single one of their weaknesses easily.

Great job, Gamefreak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:06:04 No.13860123 Report

Quoted By: >>13860130

>>13860094
except they did.
grass will be more present now that it's immune to spore. meaning poison will become interesting to carry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:06:23 No.13860125 Report

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>>13860094
Fairy isn't weak to Fire you tard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:06:25 No.13860126 Report

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>>13860094

Fairy isn't weak against Fire...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:06:45 No.13860130 Report

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>>13860123
Grass still has those awful weaknesses. GF can't balance for shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:07:14 No.13860134 Report

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>>13860094
Fire does normal damage against fairies. Please learn to read before spilling your rage out on the internet. http://pokemondb.net/type

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:08:13 No.13860140 Report

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Come Gen 7 we're going to see Fairy nerfed. What a stupid, arbitrary type.

I lost all respect for Masuda when he gave the reason for creating Fairy: They realized dragons were too strong, but they didn't want to weaken them statiscally.

In other words, they're blatantly practicing favoritism for one type over another and screwing the rest over.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:08:40 No.13860144 Report

Quoted By: >>13860154

>>13860120

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:08:50 No.13860147 Report

Quoted By: >>13860154

>>13860120

Scizor disagrees, lol. Skarmory too...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:09:21 No.13860149 Report

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Depends on the pokemon and their stats. Fairy, in terms of typing, is really REALLY strong.

IMO it needs another weakness. Right now it's a better version of Normal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:10:25 No.13860154 Report

Quoted By: >>13860175 >>13860190 >>13860497

>>13860144
>>13860147
Cool, exceptions. I hope Scizor enjoys eating a fire type move (that will no doubt be there for coverage).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:13:26 No.13860175 Report

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>>13860154
Enjoy the incoming STAB, technician Bullet Punch that'll be Super Effective

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:14:39 No.13860190 Report

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>>13860154
Enjoy those STAB Steel moves to the face

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:15:31 No.13860193 Report

Quoted By: >>13860265

One typing isn't going to ruin Dragon.

Only two fully evolved dragons have a BST below 520, most have superb stat distribution and movepools. They're still going wreck shit offensively and be tanks defensively.

Ice is one of the most common coverage types with an excellent 95 BP Ice Beam, available on pretty much everything, and Ice Beam hits most dragons for x4 damage. And that isn't enough to stop them.

Besides, most teams carry at least one Steel to wall opposing Dragons, they'll make short work of any Fairy types. If you think Scizor and Ferrothorn are overused now just wait until the Fairies come. Even with the buff to Ghost and Dark they're still going to be the best type in the game, and now they finally get a boost offensively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:20:45 No.13860265 Report

Quoted By: >>13860410 >>13860425

>>13860193

The reason dragons were so overused in the first place was that they, after weakening a few steels, could drop outrage/meteor and nothing would stand in their way.

But no longer. Even a 1% Swirlix will shatter that dream!

Now dragon will really be the normal type in terms of offense. The only difference now between Normal and Dragon is that it is also resisted by rock. And Ghosts can be easily Pursuited, so Normal is probably now better than Dragon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:21:28 No.13860276 Report

Quoted By: >>13861760

>>13860120

So far, the only Fairy type that looks like it can use Earthquake or Earth Power is Xerneas. Besides, it's not just about moves. I mean Blissey can use Earthquake, if it became a fairy type you wouldn't see Earthquake Blissey winning games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:21:28 No.13860277 Report

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>>13860105
Well aren't you a downer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:34:00 No.13860410 Report

Quoted By: >>13861711

>>13860265
>The reason dragons were so overused in the first place was that they, after weakening a few steels, could drop outrage/meteor and nothing would stand in their way.
No, it's because they have superb stat distributions that can OHKO most neutral targets, as well as excellent defensive typing that lets it resist some of the best offensive types in the game (Fire, Electric, Water, etc).

Garchomp still has 130 ATK and 102 SPE regardless of what Fairy does. Haxorus still has 147 ATK and 97 SPE. Salamence still has superb mixed attacking stats. Dragonite still has Multiscale and a great balanced movepool. Latios/Latias still outspeed you and hit super hard.

And like I said: having a metagame where Scizor, Ferrothorn, Lucario, Skarmory, Heatran, and Magnezone are already premiere pokemon isn't going to help the Fairies at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:34:59 No.13860425 Report

Quoted By: >>13861736

>>13860265
Draco Meteor does not reduce the user's SpA if the target is immune/it misses, and Outrage would stop immediately if the target is immune (like Thrash does on Ghosts).

Given how large most Dragon's movepools are, very few fairies will switch in safely without being wrecked quickly by a non-Dragon move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 15:40:53 No.13860497 Report

Quoted By: >>13860731

>>13860154
Scizor has bullet punch doe

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 16:01:58 No.13860731 Report

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>>13860497
I preduct there will be a fire priority move just to put that bug away from 90% of every fucking team

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 17:41:50 No.13861711 Report

Quoted By: >>13861749

>>13860410

And other types have these characteristics too. Many Waters and Fires have them for example. What distinguished Dragons were the 120/140 BP STABs that could not be taken by anything other than Steels, and now that's gone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 17:43:39 No.13861736 Report

Quoted By: >>13861799

>>13860425
Xernas himself will probably wreck any Dragons in Uber though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 17:44:33 No.13861749 Report

Quoted By: >>13861784 >>13861794

>>13861711
No, not really.

Go on Bulbagarden and look at the types. Click Dragon.

Keep that tab open. Now click the other types.

Look at their BST average. Dragon is OFF THE FUCKING CHARTS NOTHING ELSE IS EVEN CLOSE.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 17:44:58 No.13861760 Report

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>>13860276
Thats the thing, we know none of these stats.

Some of them could be huge powerhouses on Sp.attack.

Or they could be shit.

Can't Mawile learn Earthquake though?

None Mega Mawile Choice scarfed might be nasty with it's movepool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 17:46:44 No.13861784 Report

Quoted By: >>13861828

>>13861749
And Faeries are immune.

Look, we have no idea what the BST for the new Fairy pokemon will be.

Hell, the Pseudo could beFairy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 17:47:47 No.13861794 Report

Quoted By: >>13861815

>>13861749

Yes, that's because all of the fully evolved dragons are good, unlike the other types which have many Lumineons and such. But if you compare just the best ones from each type, it equalizes pretty much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 17:47:57 No.13861799 Report

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>>13861736
Any dragons not-named Dialga, definitely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 17:49:15 No.13861815 Report

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>>13861794
It doesn't equalize at all. Dragon is OP because GF is extremely generous with base stat points for them while giving them good spreads, good typings, and good moves.

Fucking Poison would be OP if it had so many 540 BST+ members with as good movepools and typings as Dragon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 17:50:18 No.13861828 Report

Quoted By: >>13861986

>>13861784
That means less than nothing. They'll simply eat a SE attack powered by a 120+ attacking stat and die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 17:51:21 No.13861848 Report

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This is a big disaster waiting in the wings. A good chunk of Ubers will fall into OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Sep 2013 18:02:23 No.13861986 Report

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>>13861828

So dragons will now have to waste a slot on iron head or.......whatever poison moves they have (probably none)? If so, good for the Fairies. Outrage spams are over regardless.

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