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Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 19:41:07 No.13877134 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13877149 >>13877446 >>13877699 >>13878861

>two of the best STABs in the game
>100/80/80 Defenses, 6 resistances and an immunity
>Amazing attack, especially under rain
>Priority
>Bulky waters now have to fear a Play Around instead of just superpower

could this thing be OU this gen?

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J0hToFAG8649" !xteH3LulZQ Wed 18 Sep 2013 19:41:59 No.13877147 Report

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Mostly, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 19:42:08 No.13877149 Report

Quoted By: >>13877170

>>13877134

Just depends how many useful poison and steel types there are this gen.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 19:43:57 No.13877168 Report

Quoted By: >>13877238 >>13877239 >>13877347

>shit tier speed
>relying purely on priority

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 19:44:00 No.13877170 Report

Quoted By: >>13878835

>>13877149
She's neutral to Steel, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 19:47:57 No.13877207 Report

Quoted By: >>13877277

>Using one in a Trick room team
It's so fucking good

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 19:51:02 No.13877238 Report

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>>13877168
>what are scizor and conkeldurr

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 19:51:06 No.13877239 Report

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>>13877168
>Only fast pokemon can be OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 19:51:55 No.13877249 Report

Quoted By: >>13877412

Still to early to tell really. The potential is definately there, but the things holding to back from OU in past gens (most notably speed) are still going to apply.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 19:53:51 No.13877265 Report

Quoted By: >>13877280 >>13877282 >>13877382 >>13878588 >>13878883 >>13878899

It will be OU, and with the most obvious moveset ever

Waterfall
Physical fairy attack
Ice Punch
Acua Jet

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 19:54:49 No.13877277 Report

Quoted By: >>13877364 >>13877371 >>13878856 >>13879135 >>13879390

>>13877207
>trick room team
>after bronzong getting neutered

There better be some good tr users this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 19:55:09 No.13877280 Report

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>>13877265
I reckon
Superpower > Ice Punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 19:55:21 No.13877282 Report

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>>13877265
>acua

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 19:58:52 No.13877327 Report

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>Mega Azumarill
>Gains x2 speed and x1.5 attack
>Huge Power

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 20:00:20 No.13877347 Report

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>>13877168
>implying scizor and conkelldurr don't exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 20:01:37 No.13877364 Report

Quoted By: >>13877388 >>13877561 >>13877844

>>13877277
>Not using Druddigon in trickrroom

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 20:02:01 No.13877371 Report

Quoted By: >>13877477

>>13877277
Fuck, I forgot about that. Bronzong was my best set up user. First explosion is nerfed and then this. They better make up for this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 20:02:42 No.13877382 Report

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>>13877265
now that he has better coverage and a better typing along with already good defenses, he could conceivably run a a bulky set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 20:03:10 No.13877388 Report

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>>13877364
I did once, he was a fucking beast

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 20:04:03 No.13877396 Report

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He's already great at taking down flying dragons and Garchomp.

For some reason they all seem to think they can set up on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 20:05:18 No.13877412 Report

Quoted By: >>13877624

>>13877249

>potential

this is what people say when they want to call something good but don't want any liability if it turns out to be shit

a lot of league of legends pro players use this word all the fucking time

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 20:08:10 No.13877446 Report

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>>13877134
>Water/Fairy
>Rain

How many Sludge Waves do you want with that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 20:11:03 No.13877477 Report

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>>13877371

I've been using Focus Sash Chandelure as my TR Lead

Given a Quiet Nature he get at least one kill

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 20:17:14 No.13877561 Report

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>>13877364
I was talking about pokemon to set up tr, there are plenty of pokemon to take advantage of it.

With bronzong now weak to ghost and dark porygon 2 is the only tr user who isn't weak to those types (if I recall correctly)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 20:22:12 No.13877624 Report

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>>13877412
Well yeah, but it's perfectly applicable in this case. It's good in that it's got a decent typing, a fantastic ability and reasonable bulk, but its speed is atrocious, and we don't know what its updated movepool is going to be, nor how the rest of the metagame environment is going to be affected. If the unknown factors go in its favour, it'll be good, if not then it'll stay where it is or worse.
I know we're on 4chan, but getting tied up because someone used a buzzword in context is still a dumbass way to behace.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 20:27:06 No.13877699 Report

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>>13877134
Probably my favorite recipient of the typing changes in X/Y.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 20:37:07 No.13877844 Report

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>>13877364
>not using gravity dragon rush zweilous

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 21:39:48 No.13878588 Report

Quoted By: >>13878665

>>13877265
what if all fairy moves are special

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 21:41:25 No.13878607 Report

Quoted By: >>13878954

It's too early to tell.

It's literally raped to death by 3 of the big walls of Current OU, Pringles, Tentacruel, and Ferrothorn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 21:48:42 No.13878665 Report

Quoted By: >>13878908

>>13878588
>Glow Punch
>Special
How about no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 22:03:13 No.13878835 Report

Quoted By:

>>13877170
>she

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 22:05:23 No.13878856 Report

Quoted By:

>>13877277
One with Prankster and Baton Pass would be great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 22:05:41 No.13878861 Report

Quoted By: >>13878877

>>13877134
>immunity
>using sap sipper Azu
no, its only competitively viable ability is Huge Power. also no, it won't be OU. maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe if you could run belly drum and aqua jet on the same set

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 22:07:16 No.13878877 Report

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>>13878861
oh nvm it got retyped to fairy, what the fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 22:07:48 No.13878883 Report

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>>13877265
It wouldn't need the ice punch because the fairy move would cover dragons and waterfall would cover what ice punch covers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 22:08:45 No.13878899 Report

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>>13877265
>Aqua Jet
>Superpower
>(physical Fairy Move)
>Fling with Iron Ball

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 22:09:29 No.13878908 Report

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>>13878665
wasnt glow punch a psychic move?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 22:12:49 No.13878954 Report

Quoted By: >>13879014

>>13878607
Azumarill has Banded Superpower and Double Edge for Ferro and Cruel, respectively. Dunno how strong its physical Fairy STAB will be, so Jellicent remains a problem.

Azumarill's real problem is that it's basically forced to run Band and its mediocre speed. But I would hazard a guess that it will at the very least remain a top tier UU mon.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 22:17:05 No.13879014 Report

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>>13878954
That Frolic move looks like it's at least 90-100 base powe. Someone ran calcs with Marill's stats Huge Power and it turns out to do about the same damage to a neutral nature Haxorus.

But yeah, the speed and those walls are a problem. Sadly, it can't run Superpower and Double-Edge at the same time, so it's cover one of those and be walled by the other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 22:20:18 No.13879076 Report

Quoted By: >>13879098 >>13879167

Wonder if Clefable's gonna be OU if it becomes Fairy type? With Life Orb (which it doesn't take damage from), it's pretty powerful. It can know all the best Special moves and can take a non-STAB Superpower even now without the Fairy type. I don't know why I'm acting like a car salesman about Clefable, but seriously, it's a good Pokemon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 22:21:54 No.13879098 Report

Quoted By: >>13879136

>>13879076
I'd say UU at best. Shame about those stats...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 22:24:37 No.13879135 Report

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>>13877277
I thought it was confirmed the psychic/dark squid can use trick room.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 22:24:49 No.13879136 Report

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>>13879098
Its bulk isn't bad and Life Orb alleviates its mediocre Special Attack. Speed's the only actually poor stat it's got.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 22:26:24 No.13879163 Report

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It's been one of my favorites for a long time, it's good to see it getting some attention.
Also, >your face when Belly Drum and Aqua Jet in the same set becomes legal

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 22:27:00 No.13879167 Report

Quoted By: >>13879265

>>13879076

RU.
It's got a god-tier movepool, but weak stats really bring it down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 22:35:16 No.13879265 Report

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>>13879167
I'm the only one who doesn't think its stats are really that bad? It has to at least be UU next gen, and remember I'm talking about if it also gets Fairy type, no way in hell it's going to stay in RU. I use one in UU currently and it works great there, in fact it's one of the best on my team, my ace in the hole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Sep 2013 22:45:03 No.13879390 Report

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>>13877277
>not using the newly buffed Cofagrigus to use trick room

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