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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 15:23:35 No.13905266 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13905293 >>13905386 >>13912350

Friend;y reminder that some dragons like salamence can learn steel wing, a 70 BP attack which does a lot more damage to fairies than their weaker secondary stabs, or un-stab-ed coverage moves like earthquake, and is more reliable than iron tail

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 15:25:56 No.13905293 Report

Quoted By: >>13905374

>>13905266
friendly reminder to kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 15:34:15 No.13905374 Report

Quoted By: >>13905391

>>13905293
friendly reminder that your mom's a whore and I'm her pimp

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 15:35:07 No.13905386 Report

Quoted By: >>13905416 >>13905465

>>13905266
>70 BP
You what, son? post evidence

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 15:35:34 No.13905391 Report

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>>13905374
friendly reminder that you just #REKT him

le friendly skellington

le friendly skellington Fri 20 Sep 2013 15:36:33 No.13905402 Report

Quoted By: >>13905430

>Steel Wing is a TM in Gen IV but was removed in Gen V

Oh god that's gonna be obnoxious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 15:37:19 No.13905416 Report

Quoted By: >>13905460 >>13905492

>>13905386
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Steel_Wing

Did you think he meant the TM cost 70 battle points, rather than that the base power is 70?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 15:38:33 No.13905430 Report

Quoted By: >>13905742

>>13905402
Yeah, means Multiscale Dragonite and Moxie Salamence can't have it as far as I know
Which didn't matter before now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 15:40:43 No.13905460 Report

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>>13905416
oh shit I mixed up BP and PP

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 15:40:59 No.13905465 Report

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>>13905386
I can't screencap so here's the page on bulbapedia http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Steel_Wing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 15:41:25 No.13905471 Report

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I never had a Bagon. I still can't get one.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 15:42:23 No.13905486 Report

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>90 accuracy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 15:42:46 No.13905492 Report

Quoted By: >>13905753

>>13905416
Battle power. Hopefully they bring it back as a tm or tutor in x and y

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 15:44:45 No.13905518 Report

Quoted By: >>13905546 >>13906229

azumarill mustard rice reporting in.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 15:47:26 No.13905546 Report

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>>13905518

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:01:57 No.13905684 Report

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So DD/EQ/Outrage/Steel Wing? Scizor, Forretress, Skarm and Bronzong would have fun with that...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:06:49 No.13905737 Report

Quoted By: >>13905817

Scizor still remains the king

Bullet punches left and right
look at that beast he outta sight

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:07:27 No.13905742 Report

Quoted By: >>13905775 >>13905872

>>13905430
It still won't matter, you'll just see fairy moves on non-fairy Pokemon. No fairy revealed so far looks close to OU material.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:08:29 No.13905753 Report

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>>13905492
>Base power

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:10:45 No.13905775 Report

Quoted By: >>13905808 >>13905933

>>13905742

Azumarill is very OU material. It gains a STAB that pretty much gives it perfect coverage (not much resists both moves), and an immunity and 3 new resists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:12:10 No.13905789 Report

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Steel Wing isn't a TM anymore and only Altaria can learn it through breeding

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:12:56 No.13905789,1 Report Delete

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This thread went to places.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:13:09 No.13905796 Report

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>Ice Beam still superior against Garchomp/Dragonite/Salamence, the main OU threats
>Garchomp and Salamence learn Iron Head / Steel Wing respectively anyway
>only Sylveon and Azumarill look like they might have the stats to actually get into OU as Fairies, and even they are nowhere near the 600 BST Dragons

It'll probably end up a great attacking type no doubt, but Steel is already too prevalent in OU to let Fairies in as a defensive type.

Even if Blissey turns Normal/Fairy and Sylveon has great SpD, Steel is still essentially a physical type, rendering them useless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:14:31 No.13905808 Report

Quoted By: >>13905933

>>13905775

If he gets a fairy priority move then he's going to be automatic OU and on every rain team in existence gen 6 and onward

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:15:16 No.13905815 Report

Quoted By: >>13905916

Your face when Garchomp learns Iron Head, an even more reliable Steel move thanks to greater accuracy and BP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:15:19 No.13905817 Report

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>>13905737
And all goes well for..KID DY-NO-MITE

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:22:34 No.13905872 Report

Quoted By: >>13905916 >>13905933

>>13905742
Do we know the stats of any of the fairies aside from older Pokémon yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:26:21 No.13905898 Report

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>tfw scizor will dominate again
feels good man

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:28:20 No.13905916 Report

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>>13905872

None except that Sylveon will most likely>>13905815
have the standard eeveelution stats (2 65's, 130, 110, 60 and 95),

>>13905815

Your face when he has to drop a move to use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:30:24 No.13905933 Report

Quoted By: >>13906054 >>13906281 >>13911241

>>13905775
It'll be UU, at best. It's still slow as hell and can't really take a hit.
>>13905808
It won't.
>>13905872
No, but we have no reason to believe they'll be anything spectacular so far. Only the re-typed fairies look half-decent. And we know what numbers Sylveon is working with, at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:35:50 No.13905972 Report

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I'm withholding judgment until the game comes out. Generally, Gamefreak does a pretty good job of nerfing what they want to nerf, eg Psychics in Gen II, Normals in Gen III, boomleaders in Gen V, and so on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:43:42 No.13906054 Report

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>>13905933

How can it not take a hit when it now has 6 resistances and an immunity?

Max HP, Max Attack Azu with Waterfall, Aqua Jet, Superpower and whatever Fairy attack he has should work pretty well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:49:14 No.13906123 Report

Quoted By: >>13906142

If Azumarill gets some sort of Fairy priority then I can very easily see it being OU. It has decent bulk, 6 resistances and an immunity, and has Huge Power. It'd especially work well in drizzle teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:51:00 No.13906142 Report

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>>13906123

Priority would be cool but I don't think there is a need for it. Most dragons can't KO it anyway, with their standard moves. Even those that decide to equip Iron Tail to deal with Fairies, will find themselves running away from THIS fairy!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:56:23 No.13906190 Report

Quoted By: >>13906319 >>13906948

>70bp
>fucking relevant

Might as well put Hidden Power there.

70x2=140

That's as strong as a STAB'd flying attack. Fucking pointless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 16:59:43 No.13906229 Report

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>>13905518
>Azumarill
>Masterace

TentacruelsavagingpodofAzumarills.jpg

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 17:04:43 No.13906281 Report

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>>13905933
>100/80/80 defenses
>can't take a hit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 17:07:42 No.13906319 Report

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>>13906190
oh you mean fly. That one shitty flying move that takes two turns to even hit. That is literally the best your gonna get

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 18:02:22 No.13906933 Report

Quoted By: >>13908009 >>13908232

These arguments about what will be in OU are the most retarded arguments ever.

You don't even know everything's stat distribution and there are a lot of Pokemon in OU and UU that are weak to common attacking type but still fill niches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 18:04:05 No.13906948 Report

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>>13906190
>muh one shot metagame

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 19:42:41 No.13908009 Report

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>>13906933
not to mention judging based off such limited info is so stupid.
if we had this amount of info on volcarona before bw, you guys would be saying it'll be nu

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 20:00:52 No.13908232 Report

Quoted By: >>13908257

>>13906933
we know enough to at least make a guess. Most dragons almost never have moves that are strong as draco meteor or outrage.
>B-but muh earthquake.
isn't as great as you thought it was. What if the opposing fairy has an air baloon, or can levitate or fly? Now that's two immunities to the most powerful moves any dragon is likely to run

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 20:02:21 No.13908257 Report

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>>13908232
physical ones anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2013 23:38:35 No.13911241 Report

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>>13905933
>It'll be UU, at best. It's still slow as hell and can't really take a hit.
>All of those resistances and an immunity
>100/80/80 Defenses
>Access to Aqua Jet and likely the Fairy priority move along with Superpower

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2013 01:02:06 No.13912350 Report

Quoted By: >>13912469

>>13905266

>Hey guides, look, LOOK! Dragons are still useful! At least hug me and tell me they are! *sniff*

Okay this is getting sad, listen if you are going to have a dragon on your team, have a dragon on your team and learn to switch out when fairy comes out like good trainers do when their psychic types face tryanitar

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2013 01:09:28 No.13912424 Report

Quoted By: >>13912442

>Throwing flash cannon or iron head to every fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2013 01:11:26 No.13912442 Report

Quoted By: >>13912545

>>13912424
>Not throwing sludge bomb or posion jab

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2013 01:13:39 No.13912469 Report

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>>13912350

NOPE! Focus Blast errytime!
gg

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2013 01:21:59 No.13912545 Report

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>>13912442
With some exception, dragons don't have powerful poison moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2013 01:23:52 No.13912559 Report

Quoted By: >>13912592

No one ever mentions Gardevoir in these threads. It can trace Salamence's Intimidate and lower its Attack just by switching in. Salamence can still predict the switch-in and use Steel Wing for a 2HKO, but if it doesn't (or it's a physically defensive Gardevoir for some reason) Gardevoir 1HKOs with Hidden Power Ice.

It could have Moxie, of course, but Moxiemence almost always have a Choice Scarf - if he's locked into Outrage Gardevoir chases him out,

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2013 01:27:48 No.13912587 Report

Quoted By: >>13912618 >>13912857

Forcing them to carry a steel type move will still reduce their overall metagame threat since it means they will have to forego covering something else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2013 01:28:15 No.13912592 Report

Quoted By: >>13912631

>>13912559
Gardevoir won't need to use a Hidden Power Ice. Obviously, it will use a fairy move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2013 01:30:59 No.13912618 Report

Quoted By: >>13912899

>>13912587
Gen 6 metagame hasn't even been formed yet. Stop talking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2013 01:32:28 No.13912631 Report

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>>13912592

The power of this move would need to be between 100 and 155 to 1HKO a Salamence. Even swapping Leftovers for a Life Orb would boost the required power to 120.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2013 01:48:54 No.13912857 Report

Quoted By: >>13916386

>>13912587
>Lower their threat by adding an attacking type that betters their coverage
Do you have any idea how dumb you sound? The average dragon will carry a Dragon move, and three coverage moves which usually only get used on Steel types. All this means is that sets like SD/Fire Fang/EQuake/Outrage Garchomp drop Fire Fang and pick up Iron Head, and take out Skarmory before sweeping. But there's only so much we can say about the Gen VI metagame now (a.k.a. nothing)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2013 01:52:36 No.13912899 Report

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>>13912618

Which is exactly why we can only make general statements instead of specific ones. Are you stupid?

We can still say type coverage is important because that will remain true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2013 07:06:51 No.13916386 Report

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>>13912857

SD Garchomp hasn't been common in a long time anyway. What matters is that the choiced dragons (so most of them) will pretty much disappear. Specs Latios, CB Dragonite, Scarf Salamence, Scarf Garchomp, Scarf Haxorus, Specs Kingdra. When you think about it, you realize that Dragons pretty much derive their viability from choice items.

Some do use boosting moves still, but even these aren't safe. DD Dragonite, for example, runs DD/Dragon move/FIre Punch/Extremespeed. If it wants to smash Fairies, it will have to choose between losing to Steels, Scarfers/Ice Sharders, or losing a STAB. So it gets ruined too.

Life Orb Latios is the safest of all Dragons, against Fairies (specifically Azumarill).

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