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Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 16:47:03 No.14335788 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>14338005 >>14338101 >>14338460 >>14338483 >>14338601 >>14340307 >>14340750 >>14341023

feh

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 17:08:43 No.14336348 Report

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Swellow 2.0

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 17:10:13 No.14336392 Report

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Not too bad I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:08:03 No.14338005 Report

Quoted By: >>14338319 >>14340750

>>14335788
>Flame body
Why is it always the frail as shit pokemon who get this? It would be pretty good on something that can actually take hits.

Does it get anything else?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:08:50 No.14338028 Report

Quoted By: >>14338442 >>14339360

What's the nature? I was expecting a ton more attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:10:51 No.14338101 Report

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>>14335788

I'm actually quite happy with this now I can have another pokemon besides volcarona that can have flame body AND fly for egg hatching.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:12:55 No.14338166 Report

Quoted By: >>14338291 >>14338346 >>14338351 >>14338872

How shitty. That's like shittier than Staraptor (the best regional bird, but sucks for a Pokémon). Also, why would a falcon have that shitty fucking speed? Way to go.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:16:11 No.14338252 Report

Quoted By: >>14338364 >>14342411

>Fire/Flying

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:17:37 No.14338291 Report

Quoted By: >>14338332

>>14338166
>Shitty fucking speed
Are you blind? Speed is the things best stat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:18:34 No.14338319 Report

Quoted By: >>14340750

>>14338005
this is gamefreaks idea of balance
if it wasn't so extreme in could work but they always fuck this stuff up

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:18:57 No.14338332 Report

Quoted By: >>14338431 >>14338892

>>14338291
But it's shitty. You could have a Pokémon with 25/25/25/25/25/100, speed is its highest stat but its highest stat is shitty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:19:11 No.14338346 Report

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>>14338166
It has a -Speed nature. Its base speed is somewhere between 120 and 130. That's not shitty!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:19:19 No.14338351 Report

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>>14338166

Uh, that's like 130 base, since he has a Quiet nature.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:19:53 No.14338364 Report

Quoted By: >>14338702 >>14342411

>>14338252

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:21:59 No.14338431 Report

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>>14338332
No doubt it's still shitty, but it has high speed. As stated already, it's about 130 base speed, which is amazing. Too bad it's other stats are shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:22:18 No.14338442 Report

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>>14338028
It's obviously Quiet. Ever since Gen 4, Blue stats are lowered and Red stats are boosted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:23:01 No.14338460 Report

Quoted By: >>14338547

>>14335788
Calcs, considering it has a quiet nature?
I think I'm seeing G2GFast Speed, tolerable Attack, and surprisingly good HP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:23:19 No.14338467 Report

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Now pray for this guy to get HURRICANE, then it can clean up crap in both Rain and Sun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:23:58 No.14338483 Report

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>>14335788
I love it!
Flame body and it can fly. Now I can carry him around while breeding without having to either a) switch my flame body mon for a bird every time I want to fly b) only have 4 party slots open for eggs c) not get the benefit of flame body, or worst of all d) carry around volcarona

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:26:30 No.14338547 Report

Quoted By: >>14338674 >>14338684 >>14341260 >>14342761

>>14338460
>HP 65-75
>Attack 80-90
>Defense 60-70
>S.Attk 75-85
>S.Def 60-70
>Speed 120-130

It's actually not that bad if you look at it that way.

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Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:28:16 No.14338591 Report

Quoted By: >>14338613 >>14338640 >>14338647 >>14338892 >>14338912 >>14338927

Tiny Articuno when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:28:34 No.14338601 Report

Quoted By: >>14338656

>>14335788
>fire/flying
[sneaky pebbles intensifying]

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:28:48 No.14338613 Report

Quoted By: >>14338664

>>14338591

Delibird.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:29:48 No.14338640 Report

Quoted By: >>14338664 >>14338927

>>14338591

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:29:57 No.14338647 Report

Quoted By: >>14338664

>>14338591
Delibird

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:30:18 No.14338656 Report

Quoted By: >>14342658

>>14338601

Your face when Hurricane now sweeps away all hazards to the opponent's side.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:30:43 No.14338664 Report

Quoted By: >>14338734

>>14338613
>>14338640
>>14338647
Ohyeah. I guess im reterdad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:31:04 No.14338674 Report

Quoted By: >>14338719 >>14338787

>>14338547
Jolteon is a popular special sweeper. Its base stats are 65/65/60/110/95/130. If we say that Talonflame's base stats are on the higher end of this estimate, that's 75/90/70/85/70/130. Which, in actuality, is really good...

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Madoka 3440 5383 1346 Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:31:16 No.14338683 Report

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I wonder if stealth rocks will be allowed in sky battles.If so Flygon will be beast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:31:16 No.14338684 Report

Quoted By: >>14338712 >>14338787 >>14338837

>>14338547

so stats are pretty close to crobat's

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:32:03 No.14338702 Report

Quoted By: >>14342411

>>14338364

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:32:22 No.14338712 Report

Quoted By: >>14338852

>>14338684

Not the only Crobat clone we've got this gen...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:32:29 No.14338719 Report

Quoted By: >>14338837

>>14338674
>early bird
>having this much BST
It's probably going to be the lowest one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:33:08 No.14338734 Report

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>>14338664
>reterdad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:34:18 No.14338761 Report

Quoted By: >>14338800 >>14338922

>Razor Wind

Did they make this not the worst move in the game yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:35:11 No.14338779 Report

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>pebbles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:35:32 No.14338787 Report

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>>14338684
Actually, yea, that's a better comparison.

>Crobat
85/90/80/70/80/130

>Talonflame
75/90/70/85/70/130

>>14338674
I wouldn't be surprised. Still, it'll be a good contender in UU, I think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:36:16 No.14338800 Report

Quoted By: >>14338830 >>14338859

>>14338761
>razor wind
>worst move in the game
>not any offensive move with less than 70 base power on a non-technician pokemon and dark pulse

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:37:25 No.14338830 Report

Quoted By: >>14338900

>>14338800
Not him, but yes, Razor Wind is worse. Why don't you look up what it does?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:37:49 No.14338837 Report

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>>14338684
Actually, yea, that's a better comparison.

>Crobat
85/90/80/70/80/130

>Talonflame
75/90/70/85/70/130

>>14338719
I wouldn't be surprised. Still, it'll be a good contender in UU, I think.

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Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:38:37 No.14338852 Report

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>>14338712
Gen VI is DOUBLE CROBAT

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:39:03 No.14338859 Report

Quoted By: >>14338903

>>14338800
Razor wind is quite possibly the single worst move in the game.
It takes up a turn to charge and then attacks... for 80 bp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:39:35 No.14338872 Report

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>>14338166
>I don't know how to calculate BST at all yet I believe I can somehow judge from one look whether a Pokemon is shitty or not
How does it feel to be so retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:40:38 No.14338892 Report

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>>14338332
But its not 25 in everything but Speed you fucking retard>>14338591

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:41:00 No.14338900 Report

Quoted By: >>14338928

>>14338830
It takes up a turn and has 80 base power. Sure, it's bad, but it's not the worst move ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:41:08 No.14338903 Report

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>>14338859
It was worse in Gen 1, since it had 75% accuracy and didn't have the boosted crit rate. And almost nothing gets STAB on it, even now.
To make it worse, it's completely outclassed by Skull Bash, which is 50% more powerful, the same type, and boosts defense 1 stage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:41:41 No.14338912 Report

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>>14338591
>implying flying squirrels are bids

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:41:52 No.14338917 Report

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>Fly Slave with Flame Body
Thank you

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:42:10 No.14338922 Report

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Talonflame's stats look like: 75/85/65/75/65/130 BST 495

Its a speed demon for sure, too bad they made his attacking stats somewhat evened out, 105/55 attacking stats would make this pretty strong but it looks like he needs a Choice Band to go anywhere.

>>14338761
I didn't get why the never retconned this to flying in Yellow with Gust, its one of the gen 1 moves that they never bothered updated like Submission.

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Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:42:18 No.14338927 Report

Quoted By:

>>14338591
>>14338640
>Emolga: Gen V
>Talonflame: Gen VI
>Delibird: Gen II
>6-5+2 = 3
>MolTRES

HOENN CONFIRMED

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:42:20 No.14338928 Report

Quoted By: >>14339031

>>14338900
>A move that has 60 base power, can be used in 1 turn, may or may not have a secondary effect, and is probably not normal type is worse than an 80 BP move that takes a turn to charge and is of one of the most widely-resisted types available

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:42:47 No.14338939 Report

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Hey it's not that bad. I mean, flame body though.
yay for making things burn and warm up eggs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:46:40 No.14339031 Report

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>>14338928
Oh, also,
>10 PP

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:48:07 No.14339073 Report

Quoted By: >>14339149

So Charizard it is then

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:49:01 No.14339102 Report

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Crobat as a fire type instead of poison? alright.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:50:38 No.14339149 Report

Quoted By:

>>14339073
>charizard for pebble weak pokemon

>not volcarona

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:51:29 No.14339180 Report

Quoted By: >>14339225 >>14339284

So Crobat has better defenses, better defensive typing, better attack, AND Talonflame is a shitty name.
I know what pokemon I'm boxing as soon as I get its dex entry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:53:14 No.14339225 Report

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>>14339180
talonflames attacks are slightly better and defenses are slightly worse than crobats, and trades crobats good defensive typing for a good offensive typing
its still a good pokemon, i think people are mostly disappointed its a mixed attacker instead of being focused

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Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:53:45 No.14339244 Report

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So, it has the highest BST of any starting bird so far?

Also, regarding the sp atk, wouldn't you prefer fire moves to be special, since grass/ice/steel tend to have high defense?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:55:30 No.14339284 Report

Quoted By: >>14339415

>>14339180

The only downside is Crobat is ugly as shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:57:50 No.14339360 Report

Quoted By:

>>14338028
Looks like it's quiet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:58:58 No.14339402 Report

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Alright, so Talonflame, compared to Charizard, has -10 Defense, -30 SpAttack, and -20 SpDefense, but +30 Speed. I think I may end up using it in place of Charizard, just for a change of pace.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 18:59:28 No.14339415 Report

Quoted By: >>14339446

>>14339284
So is talonflame.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:00:35 No.14339446 Report

Quoted By: >>14339500

>>14339415
NO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:01:37 No.14339478 Report

Quoted By: >>14339915 >>14340750

>lv. 35
>no Fire type moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:02:36 No.14339500 Report

Quoted By: >>14339941

>>14339446
Yes, yes it is. Just like every bird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:18:00 No.14339915 Report

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>>14339478
That may just be the player being an enormous retarded faggot with sub-Hyperbeam-On-Everything strategy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:18:56 No.14339941 Report

Quoted By: >>14339973

>>14339500
Why does /vp/ hate birds so much? they're just fucking birds, get over it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:19:58 No.14339973 Report

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>>14339941
/vp/ prefers owls

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:24:16 No.14340113 Report

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whoa, not bad. not bad at all!

Shits fast as dick! looks like 130 base speed, with 90 base attack, and decent bulk. Great offensive typing too!

Since EV training is easy as dick now, and early accessible, just slap the proper evs on this bad boy, and hes gonna be a total bad ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:29:48 No.14340307 Report

Quoted By: >>14340765 >>14341306

>>14335788
looks like:

hp- ~80
atk- 90
def- ~80
spatk- 85
spdef- ~80
speed-130

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:29:49 No.14340309 Report

Quoted By: >>14340345 >>14340535

I think he's confirmed to get Brave Bird and Flare Blitz which make up for the underwhelming attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:30:50 No.14340345 Report

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>>14340309
its honestly not even that underwhelming. ~90 is pretty damn good, especially with fire/flying as an attacking type

Thatguy

Thatguy Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:34:38 No.14340475 Report

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Where are all of its Fire-type moves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:36:38 No.14340535 Report

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>>14340309
What if it kills itself like staraptor does?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:37:43 No.14340563 Report

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Shit why are so many pokemon as fast as crobat now?
I think I'll use it though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:44:42 No.14340750 Report

Quoted By:

>>14338005
>>14335788
>>14339478

>Not keeping Flame Charge.

Apperently Smogon confirmed it gets Flare Blitz too.

>>14338319

It's the new breeding partner because we don't have acces to Volcarona until December.

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Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:45:16 No.14340765 Report

Quoted By: >>14341260

>>14340307
Much as I want that, ain't that WAY high for a regional bird?

Even with the lower estimates on some of his stats, he looks plenty good for ingame and hopefully decent overall. Flare Blitz and Brave Bird go a long way, but I hope he picks up an alternate ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:46:26 No.14340804 Report

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People seriously don't like Talonflame? I think he rocks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:49:12 No.14340891 Report

Quoted By: >>14341166

Crobat still has a more impressive BST but this guy is shaping up to be pretty cool as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:52:27 No.14340989 Report

Quoted By:

Finally a regional bird that's at least partially special.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:53:38 No.14341023 Report

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>>14335788

this is such a good looking pokemon with decent stats assumed usable move pool

its a real fucking shame its has such a shit name

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:58:10 No.14341166 Report

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>>14340891
They seem to have a similar BST tbh. Talonflame may be 4x weak to sneaky pebbles but it has 2 high powered attacks it can shoot off at the very least. Wonder if it gets U-Turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 19:59:22 No.14341206 Report

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>razor wind

Josh PLS.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 20:00:56 No.14341260 Report

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>>14340765
None of them have broken 480 BST before. The higher range here >>14338547 would put TFlame at 510...the lower at 460...hopefully its somewhere in the middle. I just hope the Speed and Attack are in the higher ranges: with the high BP moves he could really wreck some shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 20:02:19 No.14341306 Report

Quoted By: >>14341377

>>14340307

>taking an enormous dump over pidgeot

every stat is lower except for HP,80

pidgeot -83 base hp
talonflame- 80 base hp

what does pidgeot need to be useful?
the only thing I can think of is prankster

feather dance
roost
tail wind
u-turn
mirror move
hurricane

uh

fuck I hope talon flame gets hurricane

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 20:04:21 No.14341377 Report

Quoted By: >>14341877

>>14341306

>What is Murkrow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 20:18:03 No.14341877 Report

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>>14341377

>because one bird has an ability, another one can't have it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 20:19:26 No.14341919 Report

Quoted By: >>14341968

Do we need flying types this generation or have they finally got a better way of travelling round the region?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 20:20:37 No.14341968 Report

Quoted By: >>14342019

>>14341919
Might need them for sky battles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 20:22:32 No.14342019 Report

Quoted By: >>14342464

>>14341968
I'm torn because I have nothing against psychic or ghost types but I need a flying type to get around the region, sky battles don't bother me all that much

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 20:24:29 No.14342082 Report

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remove normal typing from all birds unless it makes sense, like chatot. they are all pure flying types. roost changes them to normal type for a that turn.

now maybe flying types can make use of that fucking fighting resistance they should have

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Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 20:36:06 No.14342411 Report

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>>14338252
>>14338364
>>14338702

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 20:38:11 No.14342464 Report

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>>14342019
Just use more than 6 pokemon.

With the new EXP share, you might want to do this to balance yourself out instead of not taking advantage of the free EXP.

I love that they're encouraging you to use a full team now, although it's quite high of a bonus (350% exp increase).

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 20:45:37 No.14342658 Report

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>>14338656

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Oct 2013 20:49:04 No.14342761 Report

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>>14338547
So Talonflame is basically the physical version of Noivern

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