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Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:08:23 No.14436284 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>14436351 >>14436417 >>14437256 >>14438712

"Kecleon has a new ability called Protean that changes the Pokémon's type to the type of the move it just used."
"16:50: Froakie's Hidden Ability is Protean"

This could be fun. Anything could be STAB, switching type to get immunities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:09:27 No.14436312 Report

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Was hoping for technician, but that works, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:10:40 No.14436343 Report

Quoted By: >>14436373 >>14436455

How do you get one with the hidden ability, anyways?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:10:54 No.14436351 Report

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>>14436284
more like kekleon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:11:49 No.14436373 Report

Quoted By: >>14436461

>>14436343
By an ability capsule which changes the ability of a pokemon. its very dear though

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:12:03 No.14436387 Report

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He just saw it in the battle maison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:12:22 No.14436395 Report

Quoted By: >>14436438

Any word on what moves it gets? Would love to be able to fuck about with flying moves and ghost moves etc. to get immunities. I imagine it must get aerial ace?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:12:27 No.14436399 Report

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What if the Ability Capsule lets you switch to the Hidden Ability if it's the only other option?

Starters only have 1 ability + the hidden one, so it MIGHT be possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:12:57 No.14436417 Report

Quoted By: >>14436439 >>14436465

>>14436284
No STAB, it changes the type AFTER the move is used.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:13:12 No.14436421 Report

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With Greninja's speed this could be an interesting ability for mindgames. Too bad his bulk can't make the best use of it, maybe 3 non-effective hits before going down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:13:36 No.14436438 Report

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>>14436395
it had lick. Don't think you'd want to use that competitively though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:13:40 No.14436439 Report

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>>14436417
We have confirm on this, not calling you out, I just really want to know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:14:05 No.14436445 Report

Quoted By: >>14436592 >>14436650

Does it change his primary or secondary, or both?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:14:21 No.14436455 Report

Quoted By: >>14436484

>>14436343
"Ability Capsule (Costs 200BP): Switches between the Primary and Secondary abilities on the Pokémon"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:14:29 No.14436461 Report

Quoted By: >>14437900

>>14436373
It's confirmed that it changes it to the hidden ability?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:14:36 No.14436465 Report

Quoted By: >>14436500

>>14436417
You could just use the move again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:15:19 No.14436484 Report

Quoted By: >>14436620

>>14436455
I hope it's a permanent usable item and not a one-time use or even worse, a hold item.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:15:31 No.14436494 Report

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>Protean
>Color Swap made good

FINALLY, KELCEON'S TIME TO SHINE.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:15:39 No.14436500 Report

Quoted By: >>14436558

>>14436465
If it can survive a second turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:16:20 No.14436522 Report

Quoted By: >>14436557 >>14436604 >>14436631

>hidden power

MINDGAMES, SON

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:17:24 No.14436557 Report

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>>14436522
>Metronome

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:17:26 No.14436558 Report

Quoted By: >>14436612

>>14436500
That's the whole point of Protean. Change your type so you gain a resist to the incoming attack?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:18:27 No.14436592 Report

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>>14436445
bumping this

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:18:51 No.14436604 Report

Quoted By: >>14436622 >>14436636 >>14436642

>>14436522
but kekleon has shit sp.a

just giving it stab ON EVERYTHING is good. Kinda makes it 90 base attack into 135

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:19:05 No.14436612 Report

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>>14436558
What happens with dual types?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:19:25 No.14436620 Report

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>>14436484

It's one use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:19:28 No.14436622 Report

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>>14436604
we're talking about froakie

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:19:42 No.14436631 Report

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>>14436522
Doesn't Color Change blatantly announce the type change though? If it does Protean probably will too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:19:53 No.14436636 Report

Quoted By: >>14436702 >>14439475

>>14436604
It changes the type AFTER you attack, so you don't have STAB unless you use the same move twice in a row

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:20:06 No.14436642 Report

Quoted By: >>14436702 >>14436724

>>14436604
Protean would be good if it did give it stab on everything, but it doesn't.
The type changes applies after the attack apparently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:20:23 No.14436650 Report

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>>14436445

Both. It's a reworked color swap, and color swap changes dual types to a mono type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:20:57 No.14436676 Report

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I thought ability capsule didn't work for hidden abilities?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:21:13 No.14436687 Report

Quoted By: >>14436724 >>14436727 >>14436733

So does Froakie's type change before a move is used giving it STAB every attack? Or does it change after an attack and STAB given to only subsequent attacks?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:21:40 No.14436702 Report

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>>14436636
>>14436642

Well fuck it then

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:22:16 No.14436724 Report

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>>14436687
>>14436642

Oh nevermind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:22:24 No.14436727 Report

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>>14436687
subsequent attacks. The type change happens after damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:22:30 No.14436733 Report

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>>14436687
After. It's like Color Change, the only difference is that it reacts to your attack instead of the opponent's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:23:16 No.14436758 Report

Quoted By: >>14436803

>sacrifice STAB to have a dynamic, controllable typing

Neat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:23:21 No.14436765 Report

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This could be fun for immunities (HP Ground/Fairy/Ghost), but very niche otherwise

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:24:43 No.14436803 Report

Quoted By: >>14436946

>>14436758
On an offensive pokemon with bad defenses and barely decent attacking stats? Not so much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:25:20 No.14436824 Report

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It's a defensive ability that can ensure you to not take an effective move this turn at the cost of actual stab and probably hitting the opponent weakness.
Can be fun with normal moe, or fairy and ghost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:29:09 No.14436946 Report

Quoted By: >>14437021

>>14436803
You can use it to gain resistances on the fly though Greninja is fast as shit so you can ruse the fuck out of immunities.

If Greninja can learn EQ then it an abuse electrical immunity.
If it can learn Aerial Ace then it can abuse EQ immunity.
If it can learn Return then it can partially wall Gengar and other ghost types.
If it learns any Steel type move it can wall Poison types and prevent suspected Toxic users from breaking its sweep.
If it can learn any Fairy type move then it can ruse Dragon types.

Mindgames 'n shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:30:26 No.14436987 Report

Quoted By: >>14437145

How did he already find our the hidden ability?
based serebii

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:31:14 No.14437013 Report

Quoted By: >>14437143

Too bad this ability will be useless on Kecleon since he's so slow and can't use it defensively. Color Change is still much better for him since his only stat that makes him somewhat usable is his SpDef, and Color Change really fucks up choice users since most types resist themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:31:37 No.14437021 Report

Quoted By: >>14437074 >>14437094 >>14437187 >>14437194

>>14436946
>Greninja
>Earthquake

No.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:33:30 No.14437074 Report

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>>14437021
hue

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:34:09 No.14437094 Report

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>>14437021
Maybe not EQ but there is tons of other rusery that could occur with different moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:35:39 No.14437143 Report

Quoted By: >>14437264

>>14437013
Yes he can. Color change is nice for most choice users, but Protean lends itself to his retarded huge movepool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:35:47 No.14437145 Report

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>>14436987
battle tower, he doesn't get them, he fight pokes that have them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:37:03 No.14437187 Report

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>>14437021
mud slap seems more likely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:37:13 No.14437194 Report

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>>14437021
Every single starter so far besides Samurott and Serperior learns EQ.
Those two don't count because they're abominations and were never meant to exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:39:40 No.14437256 Report

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>>14436284
>>greninja used ice beam
>>gains all those weaknesses
this would only be good with like HP steel or some shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:39:55 No.14437264 Report

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>>14437143
So what good will it do him? You have to use the same attack twice in a row to get the STAB bonus once, and with only 90 base attack it still won't be like he becomes a big threat. Since he has only 40 base speed your opponent will always have the upper hand with any offensive pokemon since he'll always know which type you're going to be and be able to choose appropriately.

He may have a big movepool like most normal types, but that hardly matters when you can only have 4 moves anyways, and one of those moves is going to be Recover, and unless you want him to be useless the other will be either T-Wave, or Toxic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:43:46 No.14437369 Report

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The use of this move depends solely on the timing of it's activation.
Does it activate AFTER you use the move, or AFTER you select the move, and therefore before the move goes?

If it's before the move goes, you gain STAB on all moves, and have potential for mind-games (especially since it gets moves like Extrasensory).. It's a damn good ability, and would secure Greninja in OU.
If it's after, it's.. okay. Nothing too crazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:48:23 No.14437493 Report

Quoted By: >>14437589

I wonder if it'll activate for the first hit of water shuriken and add STAB to the subsequent hits. It'd be cool if he got other multi-hit moves too like double kick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:52:33 No.14437589 Report

Quoted By: >>14437645 >>14438069

>>14437493
That's likely how it will work since that's how it works with Color Change, so even if you change your type to fighting or whatever it would only be the first hit of water shuriken that doesn't gain STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:54:47 No.14437645 Report

Quoted By: >>14437739

>>14437589
Oh man what if he gets Dual Chop

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 16:58:37 No.14437739 Report

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>>14437645
i've missed more dual chops than focus blasts in my life

it's never worth it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 17:05:27 No.14437900 Report

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>>14436461
Not yet.

But considering that the staters only have 1 normal ability in the first place, it's possible they switched it from being a DW/Safari exclusive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 17:08:04 No.14437977 Report

Quoted By: >>14438370

As long as we're talking about Greninja's type...

>Frog pokemon
>Weak to bug

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Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 17:09:41 No.14438020 Report

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http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=d5Dn4AmCMYs
Delphox confirmed for using a wand
Also some Greninja action towards the end of the video

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 17:11:17 No.14438069 Report

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>>14437589
Color Change got revamped generation 5 so it only changes type AFTER the last hit of a multi-hit move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 17:22:10 No.14438370 Report

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>>14437977
>Frog Rock type
>Frog Flying type
>Frog Fire type

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Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 17:34:00 No.14438712 Report

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>>14436284
>Froakie
>Blaziken
>Heliolisk
>Heracross
>Drapeon
>Jumpluff

I accidently made a Hurricanger team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 17:38:50 No.14438870 Report

Quoted By: >>14439045

Im dumb so someone help me here.

Is this a hidden ability? Or a dream world ability?

are dream world abilities even a thing anymore?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 17:44:12 No.14439045 Report

Quoted By: >>14439065

>>14438870
Hidden abilities are Dream world abilities

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 17:44:47 No.14439065 Report

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>>14439045
Oh, I always thought hidden abilities were the secondary abilities

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 17:48:13 No.14439175 Report

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Oh man...

Froakies gonna rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 17:49:23 No.14439198 Report

Quoted By: >>14439232

Hopefully he will be able to learn dual typed moves, so he can gain his water/dark back for nice stab

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 17:50:34 No.14439232 Report

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>>14439198
didnt mean for nice stab, since he will get stab for whatever move he has, but i like water/dark typing
I hope he will cahnge colors based on typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 17:53:06 No.14439298 Report

Quoted By: >>14439332

Hm. I have a doubt. With this ability, would he change type conpletely, or only one of his types, since he is dual type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 17:54:27 No.14439332 Report

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>>14439298
prob just once, since there will be new dual type attacks I wonder how those will work...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 17:56:12 No.14439388 Report

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This is great. Guess im picking froakie

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 17:57:35 No.14439438 Report

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RIP with Dittoes and Unowns Keckleon
Your gimmick is stolen and outclassed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2013 17:58:37 No.14439475 Report

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>>14436636
What if Bullet Seed or something like this?

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