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Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:10:32 No.14669026 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>14669192 >>14669338 >>14670043 >>14670881 >>14674033 >>14674816

What is the "Right" way to build a gangar? I always thought you used the fuck out of hynosis/dream eater / curse to mow down any enemy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:14:42 No.14669192 Report

Quoted By: >>14669284

>>14669026
You can do more damage simply spamming Shadow Balls and the like, also Gengar has better things to do than curse

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:14:47 No.14669194 Report

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bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:16:56 No.14669274 Report

Quoted By: >>14669325 >>14669376 >>14669608 >>14670299 >>14679238

Modest or Timid
252 SpA/252 Speed
Some Item
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Substitute
Disable

Absolutely ruins any Choice Users, and can cripple most sweepers with little coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:17:16 No.14669284 Report

Quoted By: >>14669346

>>14669192
Should I drop Hypnosis / Dream ever for more type coverage like thunderbolt and other types?

I got a modest Gangar so i'm hyped

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:18:26 No.14669325 Report

Quoted By: >>14679238

>>14669274
Thanks dude!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:18:46 No.14669338 Report

Quoted By: >>14669591 >>14669731

>>14669026
nasty plot, shadowball, thunderbolt/ice beam/psychic, substitute

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:19:00 No.14669346 Report

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>>14669284
yep, as long as you've got coverage Gengar can do it's job

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:19:42 No.14669376 Report

Quoted By: >>14674133

>>14669274
why run boltbeam when ghost/fighting is PERFECT coverage

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:21:58 No.14669451 Report

Quoted By: >>14669528

Is it wort havining an aeigislash in the team aswell or is to much ghost? I am thinking of trading my alakazams place for my gengar

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:24:20 No.14669528 Report

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>>14669451
>not using chandelure, gengar, aegislash and golurk
seriously though, it's pokemon, use whatever you want

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:25:47 No.14669591 Report

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>>14669338
>Gengar
>Ice Beam

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:26:10 No.14669608 Report

Quoted By: >>14669763 >>14670500 >>14671147

>>14669274
This is a shit set. Run this instead:

252 SpA/252 Spe/4 HP
Timid
Black Sludge
Shadow Ball
Sludge Bomb OR Focus Blast (I prefer Sludge Bomb)
Disable
Substitute

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:27:54 No.14669671 Report

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SubDisable's the way to go with gengar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:28:19 No.14669684 Report

Quoted By: >>14669864

>subdisable shadow tag

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:29:39 No.14669731 Report

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>>14669338
>Gengar
>Nasty Plot
>Ice Beam
He doesn't learn those you faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:30:26 No.14669763 Report

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For in-game run any combination of shadow ball/focus blast/sludge bomb/hidden power/hypnosis

For battling other players run >>14669608

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:33:05 No.14669864 Report

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>>14669684

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:34:02 No.14669891 Report

Quoted By: >>14669990

YOU GUYS ARE ALL SO FUCKING STUPID I HATE ALL OF YOU

It can't fucking learn ice beam or nasty plot and if you use hypnosis + dream eater or curse you are seriously fucking retarded.

Why do you stupid fat fucks give advice when you don't know shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:34:28 No.14669907 Report

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Pain Split is nice... but I'm not sure how you're supposed to get it in X or Y.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:37:00 No.14669988 Report

Quoted By: >>14670030

Are we talking about gen VI? Because then I'd say that Sludge Bomb is your best bet. That fairy coverage.

I would give Gengar

Shadow Ball
Sludge Bomb
Dazzling Gleam (or w/e)
Substitute / Focus Blast

Fairy type really has great coverage.
Gengar is naturally fast so just slap a life orb on the fucker.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:37:01 No.14669990 Report

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>>14669891
>Literally one person has the opinion/misinformation you're getting buttfurious over
>U ALL SUK

Stay autistic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:38:10 No.14670030 Report

Quoted By: >>14670330

>>14669988
>Running Life Orb on a Substitute set
>Not running Disable

God damn you're dumb

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:38:28 No.14670043 Report

Quoted By: >>14671641

>>14669026

I'm a big fan of
>Shadow Ball
>Sludge Bomb
>Focus Blast
>Destiny Bond

And I give him a focus sash to hold. I can almost guarantee that you can 2 for 1 with him, or 3 for 1 if you're good at predicting/lucky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:40:28 No.14670103 Report

Quoted By: >>14670157

Timid
252/252/4
@Black Sludge
Focus Miss
Shadow Ball
Substitute
Disable

Shaky accuracy on Focus Miss is a slight problem, but you get over it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:42:28 No.14670157 Report

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>>14670103
Just run Sludge Bomb instead of FB. STAB makes it base power 135, and it gets Fairy coverage. On top of that, Steel no longer resists ghost, so there you go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:46:38 No.14670299 Report

Quoted By: >>14670379 >>14670406

>>14669274

this is correct. you could also consider shadowball and focus blast instead of icebeam and thunderbolt though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:47:29 No.14670330 Report

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>>14670030
Well fuck you

But yeah now I realize that the life orb and substitute doesn't look that good together.

I'm not a fan of the Sub / Disable in-game though. I know it wrecks shit in competetive, but I'm such a sucker for the rape train that is gengar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:48:50 No.14670379 Report

Quoted By: >>14670406

>>14670299
Well no it's not correct. He doesn't learn Ice beam. Shadow ball and focus blast is the way to go, like you said.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:49:39 No.14670406 Report

Quoted By: >>14671103

>>14670299
It can't learn ice beam, you fucking idiot.

>>14670379
Sludge Bomb over FB, now that steel no longer resists Ghost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:52:13 No.14670500 Report

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>>14669608
Does it learn Sludge Bomb or is that a TM? And if it's a TM, where do you find it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:52:44 No.14670518 Report

Quoted By: >>14670679

I like running Toxic/Venoshock on Gengar. Them STAB 130BP attacks with 130 base Sp Atk, mmmm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:54:32 No.14670583 Report

Quoted By: >>14670918

my gengar has wrecked shit since i bred it

Gengar @ Black Sludge
Timid 4 HP / 252 SATK / 252 SPE
Substitute
Disable
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 06:57:07 No.14670679 Report

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>>14670518
So you like to waste half of your move slots for a set up that takes two turns, and doesn't work on Steel and Poison types, anything with a Lum berry, or anything with Magic Guard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 07:03:53 No.14670881 Report

Quoted By:

>>14669026
I use
Thunder
Shadow Claw
Shadow Ball
Dark Pulse

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 07:05:05 No.14670918 Report

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>>14670583
i hope he gets aura sphere this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 07:11:08 No.14671103 Report

Quoted By: >>14671134 >>14671236

>>14670406
if you go sludge bomb over focus blast, then you give up the (near) perfect coverage of fighting/ghost. this is what you will get walled by with sludge bomb + shadow ball:

poison/dark (drapion)
ground/dark (krookodile)
rock/dark (tyranitar)
steel/dark (that guy i cant remember the name of)

where as you will only get walled with dark/fairy (nonexistent) with fight/ghost

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 07:12:11 No.14671134 Report

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>>14671103
oh wait, nevermind, you aren't even walled by dark/fairy. wow fighting/ghost is still perfect even after fairy, that's awesome

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 07:12:34 No.14671147 Report

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>>14669608
Sludge Bomb is a lot more viable now than it was in gen 5. The whole reason Gengar ran Focus Miss was to hit Steel types hard, and now that they don't resist Ghost, and Fairy is weak to Poison, well, you get the point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 07:15:15 No.14671236 Report

Quoted By: >>14672323

>>14671103
also with sludge bomb/shadow ball, hilariously diggersby would wreck your shit

Alexander 3695-0573-5304

Alexander 3695-0573-5304 Wed 16 Oct 2013 07:16:48 No.14671273 Report

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Now that steel no longer resists dark there really is no reason to run focus miss. Shadow Ball + Sludge Bomb and sub+dis. If you're going to only run sub or dbond then add Dazzling Gleam. Mega-Gengar is going to wreck face this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 07:18:45 No.14671319 Report

Quoted By: >>14674072

Does it get dark pulse? I'm planning on running Mega Gengar, want that dark STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 07:23:52 No.14671466 Report

Quoted By: >>14671516

I'm trying to breed a Ghastly with a timid nature, I've been at it for about an hour and a half now, and still no luck. Any tips to getting timid nature through breeding, or is it all luck?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 07:25:34 No.14671516 Report

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>>14671466

Catch a timid Ralts with Synchronise, use it to catch a timid ghastly. Give that ghastly an everstone to pass down the nature and breed until you have desirable IVs/shiny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 07:27:08 No.14671565 Report

Quoted By: >>14671641 >>14672092

So, what exactly makes Sub / Dis so good?

With such a high speed and damage, isn't it better to build him as a high-coverage sweeper?

Currently I'm using Thunderbolt, Shadow Ball, Gleaming Blast and Sludge Bomb, and it works pretty well, though I haven't been fighting anyone "competitively" yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 07:29:44 No.14671641 Report

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>>14671565
I honestly prefer >>14670043 but then again I don't run entry hazards which I feel is key for Disable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 07:47:38 No.14672092 Report

Quoted By: >>14673922 >>14675808 >>14676583

>>14671565
>Choice user switches in.
>Gengar uses Substitute.
>Choice user uses primary STAB.
>Substitute fades.
>Gengar uses Disable.
>Choice user can swap out, or Struggle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 07:56:00 No.14672323 Report

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>>14671236

How so? Gengar is immune to both of his stabs. So immedietely return and eq are useless. What is diggersby going to do to Gengar? Atleast gengar can poison him and keep chunking him with resisted sludge bombs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 08:51:21 No.14673639 Report

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What level should I evolve my haunter? I want to keep training him up, but I don't want to risk him being worse than he can be. I've been told it doesn't matter, but I've also been told the opposite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 08:56:18 No.14673770 Report

Quoted By: >>14674244

I need to ask here because I asked in another thread and havent been replied to:

Do ghosts get any attacking moves besides shadow ball this gen or am I stuck using that again in X/Y

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:01:21 No.14673922 Report

Quoted By: >>14673982

>>14672092
but what if it was a choice scarf and your gengar got outsped?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:04:45 No.14673982 Report

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>>14673922
Not guy you were replying to but personally In previous gens I liked
timid life orb
shadow ball
focus blast
thunder/thunderbolt
hypnosis

Most things wont outspeed gengar and if they do, you usually dont have to worry about it killing you. also you can switch in and out to your strategic advantage so you dont have to worry about that too much.

Alec 4012 4120 1149

Alec 4012 4120 1149 Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:06:10 No.14674017 Report

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I think a lot of people are missing the fact that you can't run Disable/Sub on Mega Gengar with no Black Sludge. I have no idea where you can get Pain Split this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:06:54 No.14674033 Report

Quoted By:

>>14669026
Counter/Hypnosis/Shadow Ball/Destiny Bond

holds a focus sash

All other movesets are casual babyshit tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:08:23 No.14674072 Report

Quoted By:

>>14671319
not stab

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:11:13 No.14674133 Report

Quoted By: >>14674215

>>14669376
Gengar can learn Ice Beam now?
Anyway Ice Beam would be good if you run Mega Gengar, the opponent will want to switch into Garchomp to earthquake you out of existence, and you kit them with an ice beam on the way in.
Sub+Pain Split Mega Gengar looks pretty good, you should be able to wear down most anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:11:31 No.14674138 Report

Quoted By: >>14674234

So.. Timid instead of Modest?

TehPettah 2664 3494 9346

TehPettah 2664 3494 9346 Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:14:05 No.14674204 Report

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My team right now is a Delphox, Tyrantrum, Aegislash, and I'll probably throw Greninja in there as well. Would Gengar be a good addition to this team to have someone that can switch in on EQ, and wreck Fairies?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:14:33 No.14674215 Report

Quoted By: >>14674332

>>14674133
Do you know where to get Pain Split now? What about Dazzling Beam instead of Ice Beam for Dragon/Dark coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:15:43 No.14674234 Report

Quoted By:

>>14674138
Yes, always. Extra damage doesn't matter if something beats you to the punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:16:10 No.14674244 Report

Quoted By:

>>14673770
phantom force i think is a new one but you'll be using shadow ball.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:19:21 No.14674332 Report

Quoted By: >>14674365 >>14674431 >>14674499

>>14674215
Doesn't the Fairy Gym Leader give Dazzling Beam?

TehPettah 2664 3494 9346

TehPettah 2664 3494 9346 Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:20:49 No.14674365 Report

Quoted By: >>14674428

>>14674332
It's gleam, but yeah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:23:06 No.14674428 Report

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>>14674365
Gengar can learn it?
Interesting..

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:23:17 No.14674431 Report

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>>14674332
Yes. I've been using it on my Mega Gengar since then and I have been wrecking Dragons/Dark types, a lot more reliable than Focus Blast. Still trying to figure out if there's a way to teach it Pain Split, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:25:53 No.14674499 Report

Quoted By: >>14674527

>>14674332
Oh man if it does, I'd have to consider
>Mega Gengar
-Pain Split
-Sub
-Focus Miss
- Dazzling Beam
The only thing that doesn't cover is (interestingly enough) poison. And Sub+PS should chip through most walls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:26:55 No.14674527 Report

Quoted By: >>14674746

>>14674499
Blegh, meant Shadow Ball, not Focus Blast

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:36:35 No.14674746 Report

Quoted By: >>14674906

>>14674527
I'm not too familiar on when Pain Split would be useful. I've always used Hypnosis instead.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:39:21 No.14674816 Report

Quoted By: >>14675462

>>14669026
>What is the "Right" way to build a gangar?
>"Right" way to build a gangar?
>build a gangar?
>gangar?
>gangar
>ganger
>gangbanger
>quadwrangler

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 09:43:09 No.14674906 Report

Quoted By: >>14675305

>>14674746
Pain Split will eat through high-HP walls.
But since you APPARENTLY can't get pain split on gengar in XY, I guess I'm going with the always fun Sub+Disable build.

Alec 4012 4120 1149

Alec 4012 4120 1149 Wed 16 Oct 2013 10:04:13 No.14675305 Report

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>>14674906
that won't work very well without black sludge

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 10:13:46 No.14675462 Report

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>>14674816

The japanese name for him is Gangar. It was changed to Gengar for obvious reasons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 10:20:01 No.14675583 Report

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Any easier way to get disable in x/y? Don't know anyone with the genV breed pokes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 10:30:58 No.14675808 Report

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>>14672092
but then who was life orb?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 10:40:04 No.14675983 Report

Quoted By: >>14676106

Where do I get gengarite?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 10:46:19 No.14676097 Report

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I ran:
Modest + Black Sludge 252 sp att and 252 speed
Sludge Bomb
Hidden Power Fire
Substitute
Disable

Worked great but now shadow ball is better than hp fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 10:46:44 No.14676106 Report

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>>14675983
a spooky looking girl by the gym in Laverre City

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Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 11:09:32 No.14676536 Report

Quoted By: >>14676835

What about shadow tag - substitute + perish song?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 11:11:41 No.14676583 Report

Quoted By: >>14676735

>>14672092

I'll never use the choice items because of this. I don't think there is anything that could make me want to lock my mon into using 1 move per switch in, even with +50% power. I value the ability to adapt to different situations much more highly than sheer power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 11:20:09 No.14676735 Report

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>>14676583
choice items work wonders when used correctly. The stat boost offered by them can sometimes circumvent the otherwise needed stat boosts to make a pokemon a powerhouse. And trick users can potentially cripple gimmick/wall pokes by tricking a choice item onto the opponent

Rei !p8eYCadcMo

Rei !p8eYCadcMo Wed 16 Oct 2013 11:24:37 No.14676835 Report

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>>14676536
Timid
252 Def or SpD/252Spe/4
@Gengarite
Substitute
Perish Song
Substitute
Protect
Pain Split

Could work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 11:46:03 No.14677202 Report

Quoted By: >>14678009

>Dazzling Gleam
>Sludge Bomb
>Shadow Ball
>Thunderbolt

I dunno

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 12:27:02 No.14678009 Report

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>>14677202

What would be better to get rid of Dark types, Dazzling Gleam or Focus Blast? I guess Focus Blast is super effective against steel types, but now that Steel doesn't resist Ghost anymore a STAB Shadow Ball should be able to do the job most of the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2013 13:19:46 No.14679238 Report

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>>14669274
ice beam?

>>14669325
and you believed?

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