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Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 14:33:09 No.14735637 View View Reply Original Report

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Charizard
Base Stats: 78 / 84 / 78 / 109 / 85 / 100
MEvo X Type: Fire / Dragon
MEvo X Ability: Tough Claws
MEvo X Base Stats: 78 / 130 / 111 / 130 / 85 / 100

So which are you using?
MEvo Y Type: Fire / Flying
MEvo Y Ability: Drought
MEvo Y Base Stats: 78 / 104 / 78 / 159 / 115 / 100

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 14:34:34 No.14735685 Report

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Both are different roles, and both can be good.

Y is more of a powerhouse glasscannon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 14:35:48 No.14735729 Report

Quoted By: >>14735786 >>14735819 >>14735973

dailyreminder that charizard X gets acrobatics

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 14:36:40 No.14735752 Report

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So Y is a special sweeper with an instant boost from Sunny Day whilst X is a relatively bulky physical attacker?

Both pretty cool. I'm not using either though, preferred Blastoise as the Kanto starter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 14:37:50 No.14735786 Report

Quoted By: >>14735837

>>14735729
Which would be a pretty useless attack considering you have to be holding an item to USE Charizard X.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 14:38:27 No.14735800 Report

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X's better isn't it? You know...
Fire / Dragon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 14:39:03 No.14735819 Report

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>>14735729
how

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 14:39:32 No.14735837 Report

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>>14735786
What this guy said + Megazard X doesn't get STAB from it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 14:41:08 No.14735871 Report

Quoted By: >>14735912 >>14736009 >>14736062

If you can get rid of stealth rocks, Yzard>>>>>Xard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 14:42:55 No.14735912 Report

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>>14735871
But Yzard will go first

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 14:45:32 No.14735973 Report

Quoted By: >>14737377 >>14737971 >>14743375

Y is easily better.

Once december rolls around and stealth rock has all of its old distribution from pokebank tradeups, they're both losing 50% when they switch in so bulk doesn't matter.

The focused 'glass cannon' nature of Charizard Y ultimately makes it a lot better. Charizard is relatively lacking in good contact moves (Flare Blitz gets to have fun with recoil and starting at 50%, Outrage gets to enjoy the Azumarill/Togekiss/Gardevoir switch in). Fire Blast/Solarbeam already gives good coverage and killing power. Sure, Charizard X gets tough claws. But it loses an item slot and has to rely on contact moves. Also, Charizard X loses its resistance to mach punch. Which is pretty important when you're rockin' at 50%. Aqua Jet being neutral is nice though.

>>14735729

which would be great if it could have an empty item slot and was still a flying type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 14:46:39 No.14736009 Report

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>>14735871

They both take the rocks damage entering the field, since you don't mega until you get a turn. Charizard X is still 4x rocks weak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 14:48:23 No.14736062 Report

Quoted By: >>14736161

>>14735871
Yzard will be a lead Pokémon, he's not going to get damage from sneaky pebbles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 14:52:20 No.14736161 Report

Quoted By: >>14738437

>>14736062

daily reminder that autoweather only lasts 5 turns now. You don't want drought on turn 1, you want drought when it's going to turn the match around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 14:53:29 No.14736189 Report

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Y got a nerf from weather lasting 5 turns so it's not that great as it use to look. Plus the stealth rocks weakness if you even want to switch it out to reactivate weather remains as a mega. Both being the leads you can make them go mega early on to avoid stealth rocks damage or a spinner can get rid of them. Still if you decide to switch after going mega, Y will still take 50% and X 25% from stealth rocks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 15:34:45 No.14737377 Report

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>>14735973

>Y relies on heatwave / solar beam and is still 4x weak to rock
>Meanwhile X is a mixed sweeper whose dragon claws tear everyone a new asshole

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 15:52:41 No.14737971 Report

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>>14735973
>Dragon Dance
>Fire Punch
>Dragon Claw
>Thunderpunch for 2 of those mentioned fairies or Earthquake for non-ballooned heatran

Mega Charizard X we prezident now

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 15:56:00 No.14738082 Report

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Got me a rash charizard Y on my ingame team. Even with drought only lasting 5 turns its more than enough for it to wreck shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 16:07:03 No.14738437 Report

Quoted By: >>14742029

>>14736161
>autoweather only lasts 5 turns now
daily reminder that it triggers every time you swap in

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 16:17:02 No.14738770 Report

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daily reminder that CharX still takes 4x from sneaky pebbles

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 16:22:04 No.14738940 Report

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These threads are always stubborn refusal from Y-tards trying to justify not getting X.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 17:42:37 No.14742029 Report

Quoted By: >>14742245

>>14738437
IIRC, it was stated that Droughtzard doesn't reset the sunlight counter when it's returned on the field while the sunlight is still going on. You'd have to wait till the sunlight is over to summon it again (by putting Droughtzard on the field again).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 17:48:28 No.14742245 Report

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>>14742029
This. you have to wait for it to end, does not stack.

I have been waiting far too long for a Fire/Dragon that's usable.. Jesus, I'd fuck MegaCharixard if i could

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 17:51:14 No.14742357 Report

Quoted By: >>14742535 >>14745770

I like Charizard, Megazard Y is my bro, but I can't help but feel dissapointed in how Gamefreak did a bad attempt with it. Instead of raising its attack by a few points, they could've raised its speed.
A 100 Base Speed isn't bad, but it isn't great either. It can still be outspeed by Aerodactyl, Terrakion and Mega Ultra Chicken (Blaziken) - and now even by the likes of Mega Pinsir and Mega Houndour.

At best, Droughtzard is a stronger version of Volcarona but with a lower base HP or a faster fire-version of Kyogre minus the bulk. I don't know if that's a compliment or bad news for Droughtzard. At best, we'll see this majestic beast in OU or it will remain in the depths of NU - but I fear it will never "We Uber Now".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 17:55:40 No.14742535 Report

Quoted By: >>14742738 >>14743433

>>14742357
>wanting your bro to be uber
why would anyone want that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 18:01:09 No.14742738 Report

Quoted By: >>14742888 >>14743433

>>14742535
This.

Uber just means legendary or fundamentally broken. Tiers exist for a reason. If your favorite pokes can hold its own in any of the lower tiers, it's still stronger than the vast amount that exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 18:05:06 No.14742888 Report

Quoted By: >>14742964

>>14742738
besides not being able to use it in anything that isnt ubers.
btw, idgaf if either megazard doesnt get ou. i'll still use it there regardless

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 18:06:13 No.14742940 Report

Quoted By: >>14743008

Did I fuck up by taking Bulbasaur instead (I have a Froakie and a Torchic though)?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 18:06:46 No.14742964 Report

Quoted By: >>14743241

>>14742888
Same here, but it would still be glorious if Megazard can definitely wreck shit this time instead of being the laughing stock at Smogon's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 18:07:50 No.14743008 Report

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>>14742940
You can always catch the other starters later on at the Safari Zone, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 18:13:28 No.14743241 Report

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>>14742964
Meh. I'll wreck shit with it no matter, if anything it'd be better for me to laugh at them smogonfags when i use a good fucking pokemon, not caring about "muh sneaky pebbles"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 18:16:31 No.14743375 Report

Quoted By: >>14743407

>>14735973
>Rockin' 50%

Last I checked Fir/Dragon doesn't take 50% damage from stealth rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 18:17:12 No.14743407 Report

Quoted By: >>14743539 >>14744463 >>14745664

>>14743375
Charizard has to switch in before it can Mega. You'll be eating 50% whether you want to or not.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 18:17:47 No.14743433 Report

Quoted By: >>14743551 >>14748034

>>14742535
>>14742738
I personally don't give a shit about tiers or smogon's bullshit because I only play wifi, where anything goes.

But eventually I need to figure out a lead that can wreck the two legendaries and/or mega blaziken, because that's what everyone is opening with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 18:20:17 No.14743539 Report

Quoted By: >>14744823

>>14743407
people for some reason think that EVERY match has default rocks that can't be taken away
seriously, we have brains to play around it. stop being such a retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 18:20:39 No.14743551 Report

Quoted By: >>14744076

>>14743433
>blaziken has been my favorite starter since generation 3
>instantly replace my starter with him
>look like a huge faggot online because I'm battling with my bro

God damn it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 18:33:59 No.14744076 Report

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>>14743551
I forgive you. Just don't use legendaries.

>tfw use Gardevoir
>tfw worry people think I'm a neckbeard and am using her just because of sexual attraction
That's only part of the reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 18:43:41 No.14744463 Report

Quoted By: >>14744823

>>14743407
Not if you lead with the charizard, but alright.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 18:51:50 No.14744823 Report

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>>14744463
>>14743539
these. fucking really, fuck people that keep going "muhh rockss"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 18:56:32 No.14745025 Report

Quoted By: >>14745234

If Volcarona can still be OU despite "muh pebbles" then the same can be said about Droughtzard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 19:01:42 No.14745234 Report

Quoted By: >>14745953

>>14745025
Droughtzard can and will be useful. Dragonzard has no real use besides muhchildhooddreams

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 19:11:29 No.14745664 Report

Quoted By: >>14745886

>>14743407
> Believes char users will have teams of charizard only
> Rapid spin

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 19:14:14 No.14745770 Report

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>>14742357
I'm not even mad that Y didn't get more speed because of the competitive advantage. I'm mad because the design suggests that it should be faster than X. I think its pretty safe to assume that Charizard`s wings were what got it to base speed 100 in the first place; Y not not only got much bigger wings while X`s shrunk (it only glides in battle now too- reflecting its inherently reduced ability) then it had its arms partially transform into accessory wings as well. I remember the last time that happened, Golbat- a pokemon that wasn`t even notably fast evolved into Crobat and was the speed champion of its generation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 19:17:03 No.14745886 Report

Quoted By: >>14746069

>>14745664
>Rapid spin
Mega Gengar and his /wonderful/ shadow tag ability says hi.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 19:18:27 No.14745953 Report

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>>14745234
Cause manchild denial.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 19:20:51 No.14746069 Report

Quoted By: >>14746206

>>14745886
Gengar is not an omnipresent threat.

Neither is pebbles.

No fucking shit there's a counter to counters, but not everyone uses them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 19:22:11 No.14746141 Report

Quoted By: >>14746206

>tfw everyone in public online games will use the strongest stuff all the time
Why can't people just use mons they like and be strategic with them? Random online games would be a lot more fun if people didn't strictly use the best in every catagory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 19:24:01 No.14746206 Report

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>>14746141
>>14746069
this.
thank you, it's a game. enjoy it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 19:24:44 No.14746242 Report

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Is it true that Shadow Tag doesn't prevent moves like U-Turn and Baton Pass?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2013 20:01:40 No.14748034 Report

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>>14743433
Gardevoir?

Azumarill?

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