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STEALTH ROCK IS DEAD

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:16:50 No.14909074 View View Reply Original Report

Defog confirmed to now remove hazards on both sides of the field.

GG SMOGONFAGS (this is confirmed by the way)
pic unrelated, although happy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:17:42 No.14909111 Report

Quoted By: >>14909146

>Defog removes Hazards on BOTH sides of the field

Wow why would I want to remove my hazards rather than just Rapid Spinning?

... 4355-9238-4722 (Trapinch, Dugtrio, Palpitoad)

... 4355-9238-4722 (Trapinch, Dugtrio, Palpitoad) Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:18:32 No.14909146 Report

Quoted By: >>14909171 >>14909227

>>14909111
Because defog cant be stopped by a ghost type you faggot.

elibump !ZIyqdy8k0.

elibump !ZIyqdy8k0. Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:19:04 No.14909171 Report

Quoted By:

>>14909146
It can be taunted though, which is a bother.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:19:34 No.14909186 Report

Quoted By: >>14910285

>Defog confirmed to now remove hazards on both sides of the field.
>both sides of the field

Shit move. I want my hazards to stay and their hazards gone. I'll stick with Rapid Spin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:19:37 No.14909191 Report

Quoted By:

PACK AWAY DEM SPINNERS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:20:38 No.14909227 Report

Quoted By: >>14909315 >>14909390

>>14909146

Then use Taunt/Magic Bounce.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:21:25 No.14909254 Report

Quoted By:

Defog's got pretty bad distribution Gen V and higher though. Looks like time to pull out DPP again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:21:29 No.14909256 Report

Quoted By: >>14909388

proof please

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:21:50 No.14909279 Report

Quoted By: >>14909334 >>14909376 >>14909448

Can Prankster Murkrow or any other Prankster get Defog?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:23:00 No.14909315 Report

Quoted By: >>14909349

>>14909227
>Magic Bounce
>bounce back something that affects the whole battlefield
...You sure that'll work, man?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:23:02 No.14909317 Report

Quoted By: >>14909384 >>14909797

>not just using a scrappy rapid spinner
wow karenfags are retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:23:17 No.14909334 Report

Quoted By: >>14909384

>>14909279
Fuck Murkrow

Can TALONFLAME learn Defog?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:23:37 No.14909349 Report

Quoted By:

>>14909315

Use Magic Bounce to prevent hazards in the first place moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:24:27 No.14909376 Report

Quoted By:

>>14909279
Prankster Murkrow does get Defog, I doubt the other spinners do

While this is another step in nerfing Stealth Rock, especially since it can't be blocked I don't see it changing much

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:24:41 No.14909384 Report

Quoted By: >>14909688

>>14909334
Yeah, because switching in something that gets murdered by Stealth Rock as your hazard remover is a smart thing to do.

>>14909317
There are Scrappy mons worth looking twice at?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:24:44 No.14909388 Report

Quoted By:

>>14909256
>>14909256
>>14909256
>>14909256

... 4355-9238-4722 (Trapinch, Dugtrio, Palpitoad)

... 4355-9238-4722 (Trapinch, Dugtrio, Palpitoad) Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:24:47 No.14909390 Report

Quoted By: >>14909522 >>14910504

>>14909227
It depends on the situation. What if your taunter is slower than their stealth rocker? What if your magic bouncer died already?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:26:08 No.14909448 Report

Quoted By: >>14909626

>>14909279
>Predict the Defog
>Set up Stealth Rock after Murkrow uses Defog
>Now you no longer fear SR and your opponent still does

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:27:59 No.14909522 Report

Quoted By:

>>14909390
>What if your taunter is slower than their stealth rocker?

Then you need a better Taunt user.

>What if your magic bouncer died already?

Then you're a retard for sending out your Magic Bounce user before they set up hazards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:28:11 No.14909531 Report

Quoted By: >>14909770

This thread is more evidence how /vp is absolutely clueless about competitive.
If you think magic bounce counters all hazards you are a retard. Xatu/Espeon cant stand in front of half of the stealth rockers in OU, if you only rely in magic Bounce to prevent rocks, you are fucked. Similar for rapid spin. It is not a perfect counter, it does the job, but even with rapid spinners sneaky pebbles are still something you have to deal with.
If OP's info is true, this is a huge development, since, IIRC a lot of shit learns defog.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:30:29 No.14909626 Report

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>>14909448
If Murkrow and your SR is on the field at the same time then its for Murkrow to Taunt to prevent the SR in the first place.

You aren't going to use Defog while the SR is on the field

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:31:13 No.14909661 Report

Quoted By:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/defog.3490309/

SMOGONE CONFIRMED
SMOGONE CONFIRMED
SMOGONE CONFIRMED

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:31:43 No.14909688 Report

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>>14909384

Murkrow isn't any better. At least Talonflame packs the moves to deal some damage. And you can roost or defog with priority too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:33:00 No.14909745 Report

Quoted By:

bye bye, sneaky pebbles

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:33:26 No.14909770 Report

Quoted By: >>14909911

>>14909531
>IIRC a lot of shit learns defog.
Most of those can only learn it in gen 4 via HM, which means no DW abilities(and we can't use them in this gen yet)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:33:59 No.14909797 Report

Quoted By: >>14909892

>>14909317
>using a pokemon that doesn't exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:36:18 No.14909892 Report

Quoted By: >>14910375

>>14909797
>not using smogon's glorious fakemons created to save the metagame
stay pleb

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:36:36 No.14909911 Report

Quoted By: >>14910072

>>14909770

>Both male and female can pass down moves. both male and female can pass down DW abilities.

It's confirmed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:40:11 No.14910072 Report

Quoted By: >>14910237

>>14909911
Can every HM/TM move be passed as an egg move now? Males or females passing down egg moves or DW abilities isn't needed here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:43:45 No.14910237 Report

Quoted By:

>>14910072

Dunno. Can you even Pokébank a Pokémon with an HM learned?
They've been very picky with HM. You usually can't transfer a Pokémon with one learned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:44:46 No.14910285 Report

Quoted By:

>>14909186

>kill their hazard setter
>keep yours alive
>put steal rocks up

Now is that so hard?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:46:31 No.14910375 Report

Quoted By: >>14910676

>>14909892

>save the metagame
>the moth legendary's strategy page is mostly nothing but bragging about how unstoppable and uncounterable it is

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:47:36 No.14910432 Report

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>both sides of the field

That's a pretty lame effect, and with defog's smaller distribution now it's a much less appealing option than a spinner

Imagine if it worked on your opponent's side and was a TM a la rock smash

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:49:14 No.14910504 Report

Quoted By:

>>14909390
What is Prankster?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:50:49 No.14910600 Report

Quoted By: >>14910965 >>14911060

>>14909074
what is it with karenfags thinking we hate having an extra layer of strategy added to the game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:52:23 No.14910676 Report

Quoted By:

>>14910375
we had absolute morons running the show on that one, sorry

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:53:09 No.14910713 Report

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Speaking of changes, does the Life Orb + Sheer Force combination still work? The recoil damage negation kind of felt like a bug since Life Orb's an item and not an attack. Just want to make sure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:58:04 No.14910965 Report

Quoted By:

>>14910600
>arbitrarily stripping 25% or 50% hp from a pokemon before it can even do anything
>layer of strategy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 16:59:53 No.14911052 Report

Quoted By: >>14911124 >>14911140 >>14911161

How does defog make stones go away? Makes NO sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 17:00:00 No.14911060 Report

Quoted By: >>14911675

>>14910600
I'm somewhat of a Smogonfag (not entirely, I just like their tiers) and I have to say I wish entry hazards weren't part of the game. It completely over-centralizes everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 17:01:27 No.14911119 Report

Quoted By:

talonflame gets better and better

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 17:01:34 No.14911124 Report

Quoted By:

>>14911052
Defog's original intention is a bird flapping its wings to blow away thick fog, now it blows away shit on the ground too

Makes as much sense as something spinning really fast to do the same thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 17:01:48 No.14911140 Report

Quoted By:

>>14911052
"A strong wind blows away the target's obstacles such as Reflect or Light Screen. It also lowers the target's evasiveness."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 17:02:05 No.14911161 Report

Quoted By:

>>14911052
It's a fog of sneaky stones, clearly.
Maybe they're weightless. They are just floating there after all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 17:13:26 No.14911675 Report

Quoted By: >>14912193

>>14911060
exactly
having another thing that can get rid of them and go through ghosts is a blessing
karenfags act like we worship stones as deities

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 17:19:41 No.14911980 Report

Quoted By:

Does this count as a buff for ice types?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2013 17:23:41 No.14912193 Report

Quoted By:

>>14911675
>karenfags act like we worship stones as deities
You must abandon your false idols to truly reach enlightenment.

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