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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:06:24 No.14954711 View View Reply Original Report

So, VP, I need some help figuring out the 6th member of my team. I have a fairly solid set up, but I have no clue what to toss in for the 6th slot.

Forretress @ Red Card
Sturdy
Relaxed 252 HP/252 Def/4 SpD
Stealth Rock
Gyro Ball
Volt Switch
Rapid Spin

Salamence @ Choice Scarf
Moxie
Naive 252 atk/4 spA / 252 Speed
Outrage
Dragon Claw
EQ
Fire Blast

M-Mawile
Careful 252 HP / 24 SpD / 234 Atk
Intimidate/Huge Power
Sucker Punch
Iron Head
Play Rough
Taunt/Swords Dance

Vaporeon @ Rocky Helmet
Water Absorb
Bold 248 HP/ 252 Def / 8 SpD
Scald
Baton Pass
Aqua Ring/Wish
Acid Armor

Chandelure @ Leftovers
Flash Fire
Modest 252 SpA/4 HP / 252 Spe
Shadow Ball
Fire Blast
Substitute
Energy Ball

I was thinking I could either use the acid armor-aqua ring-baton combo to allow either Chandelure or maybe something else to set up and sweep hard. Originally I was going to go Breloom, but I really want to avoid 3 Fire weaknesses on the team. Still it leaves room for a Life Orb set up that would have the acid armor boost. Any ideas? That and I need some ways to help tighten the team up, I am still uncertain on my Chandelure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:10:45 No.14954834 Report

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Shameless bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:13:08 No.14954913 Report

Quoted By: >>14955059

>baton passing defence to chandelure
>most attacks aimed at it will be special
>attempting to sweep with a +0 special attack chandelure
Cut this shit out. You're 3 gens late for that.
Give forretress and Vaporeon leftovers.
Forretress isn't a suicide lead.
Do something with that Vaporeon. You'd be better off with just a standard wish/protect/roar/scald than that defence pass trash.

Assuming you're playing singles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:17:34 No.14955059 Report

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>>14954913
Fair enough, will toy with that. What item to give Vaporeon then when considering if forretress takes the Leftovers? And yeah, I will switch Vaporeon back over to Wish/Protect/Roar/Scald. Breeding my Wish Eevees right now.

And yeah, I haven't battled in a long time in 6v6 so I am way behind, no lie.

Still leaves the question of my 6th member though..

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:19:04 No.14955109 Report

Quoted By: >>14955230

>>14954711
>Careful 252 HP / 24 SpD / 234 Atk
Any reason for this spread in particular?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:23:00 No.14955230 Report

Quoted By: >>14955355

>>14955109
I need to test out Adamant ones, but as a whole i like Careful since a good chunk of the time I am using M-Mawile to switch into Ice Beams/Moonblasts/Dragon Pulses it seems. So I've had the Special defense save my ass more then once. The 24 instead of 4 I need to toy with as well, but I largely got the idea from somebody else who mentioned the setup worked wlell to stop latias and what not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:23:01 No.14955231 Report

Quoted By: >>14955371 >>14955568

How about a Rotom-W?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:23:10 No.14955236 Report

Quoted By: >>14955371

I really wouldn't use outrage this gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:26:52 No.14955355 Report

Quoted By: >>14955455

>>14955230
Was mostly wondering about the 24 SpD since I'm struggling to think of what that would help defend against when Mawile could use all of the attack it can get.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:27:25 No.14955371 Report

Quoted By: >>14955568

>>14955236
Fair point, Aqua Tail instead then maybe?

>>14955231
Good idea, now to just find that damn bastard again. The biggest thing I am worried about though in that case is too many things that'd want leftovers. I could be risky and toss Life Orb on Chandelure sure, and then Leftovers on Vaporeon, but that leaves two things that'd want it. Does Assault Vest allow you to still use Stealth Rock?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:29:56 No.14955455 Report

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>>14955355
Good point. Will have to find the berries I need to crossbreed for the SpD lowering one later and try swapping to 252/252/4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:30:48 No.14955480 Report

Quoted By: >>14955529 >>14955568 >>14955680

I'm iffy on giving mawile a careful nature

Yeah, special attacks are what it's gonna take a lot of the brunt of, but it really needs all the attack it can get, cause if it doesn't OHKO, bad things happen

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:32:10 No.14955529 Report

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>>14955480
Switching in normal Mawile on a special attack is dangerous as fuck without a SpD boosting nature, so it makes some sense at least.

I do think Adamant or Brave is probably the way to go though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:32:44 No.14955548 Report

Quoted By: >>14955588 >>14955623 >>14955651 >>14955747

This team does nothing well. It's a very poor mixed team. Bulks, Hyper Offense, Stall and better made Mixed should be able to beat you.

Vap - Baton pass with no Substitute
Chand - no Flame Body on Sub Chand
Mawile - is very dangerous, Huge Power is great but it lacks the raw damage from movesets and Sucker Punch is reliable
Foret - if you plan on only have 1 possible lead use a suicide lead

You badly need a Pokemon with strong coverage, I would say Conkle but you would then be attack heavy. Since, you badly need Fighting that leaves either Alak or Keldeo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:33:22 No.14955568 Report

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>>14955480
Hmmm.. will breed up an Adamant one and give them both a good trial run then. See how well it does in comparison.

>>14955371
>>14955231
I briefly forgot about choice Specs. I may just go Choice Specs Rotom-W then. Is breeding for HP Ice even really possible without massive amounts of luck now though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:34:06 No.14955588 Report

Quoted By: >>14955623

>>14955548
is not reliable

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:35:27 No.14955623 Report

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>>14955548
>>14955588
>Sucker Punch is "not reliable"
Yeah, that's a real good reason to not use an 80 BP priority move off of the highest attack stat in the game, especially when it OHKOs Garchomp after a swords dance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:36:26 No.14955651 Report

Quoted By: >>14955770

>>14955548
Thanks, like I said I am noob so criticism is well appreciated.

Will see if I can breed up a 5 IV Flame Body Chand at some point as well. Completely spaced out on Alakazam/Keldeo though.

All I know is I do really want to find a way to make Mence/Wile work. Not entirely sure what set-up best compliments it though is my biggest problem right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:37:20 No.14955680 Report

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>>14955480
Switch into something that can't do anything to it and then SD. Problem solved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:39:44 No.14955747 Report

Quoted By: >>14955856

>>14955548
Also, the other thing I wanted to mention was I mostly had Foret there to Rapid spin stones away to keep them from screwing Chand/Mence over. Originally I did want to run a spider web galvantula suicide lead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:40:37 No.14955770 Report

Quoted By: >>14955869

>>14955651
I know what you mean even though I don't think Mawile is the greatest pokemon I do love it and for that reason am going to learn to play doubles where it will be viable.

And yes, 80BP moves are very weak even with Huge Power when compared to a M-Lucario that can almost OHKO anything with +0 CC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:43:29 No.14955856 Report

Quoted By: >>14955947

>>14955747
I understand but as you really aren't play many mindgame with your leads except maybe Mali it's not that good. If you do want the spin you need to at least have another possible lead in case you really need the spin that badly. Even more so since your a mixed team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:43:58 No.14955869 Report

Quoted By: >>14956114

>>14955770
Pretty much.
I was considering doubles for a bit as well, even though I have zero clue how to play it.

I'd grab a Mega Khangas but I have a feeling it will be banned once people catch on. Yeah it has some problems with fighting types, but that is when you just use other pokemon to take em out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:46:50 No.14955947 Report

Quoted By: >>14956147 >>14956348

>>14955856
Yeah, the other thing I could possibly consider is defog, but that'd be a double edged sword since it'd take out my own entry hazards correct? I still remember suicide Frosslass leads screwing me up big time for awhile, dunno if it is still viable though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:52:09 No.14956114 Report

Quoted By: >>14956439

>>14955869
dat double power up punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 07:53:12 No.14956147 Report

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>>14955947
>using entry hazards

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 08:01:05 No.14956348 Report

Quoted By: >>14956451

>>14955947
If you really want that Foret spin/lead then run the 6th as a possible lead.

Bulk Lead
Terrak,Mamo,Gar,Lan-T,Tyran,Hipp,Heat
Anti-Lead
Nite,Mein,Ape,Trick-Latios/Jirachi,Machamp
Sweep/Gamble Leads
Nite,Lucario,Cloyster,Volc,Jirachi,Haxx,Toge

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 08:05:11 No.14956439 Report

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>>14956114
Only applies double damage, not double effects. Also, second damage is not 100% damage that the parent does, but nobody knows the percentage. It's more like an attack and a half. Still good though.

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Silent 3969 4267 4070 (Psychic: Grumpig/Espurr/Girafarig) Mon 21 Oct 2013 08:05:59 No.14956451 Report

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>>14956348
Amusingly enough I actually was just looking at Assault Vest Tyranitar.

I will toy with those though or sure and see if I can find a fit.

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