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What's the point of EV training

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:38:47 No.14972746 View View Reply Original Report

So EV/IV training--is it really worth it?

I was under the impression that most players play the games for fun, then hit the online sims for competitive play. Since the online sim lets you set your IVs and EVs, what is the purpose of doing it in game?

Yeah, wifi battles I guess, but isn't online competitive where it's at?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:41:05 No.14972845 Report

Quoted By: >>14972992 >>14973079

That +63 in attack/speed might help you in the Battle Tower or similar structures.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:42:41 No.14972903 Report

Quoted By: >>14973079

WiFi battles can be plenty competitive, especially during the tournaments Nintendo regularly runs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:43:15 No.14972927 Report

Quoted By: >>14972988 >>14972996 >>14973016 >>14973079

EV training is easy gains to give you an edge in places like battle towers and such, IV breeding is retarded and GF keeps it hidden because you aren't supposed to autistically grind for the perfect set of IVs, ignore those like a normal person would.

EV train to get the best out of your pokemon but don't be a minmaxing retard who spends hours breeding for IVs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:44:50 No.14972988 Report

Quoted By: >>14973078

>>14972927
>who spends hours breeding for IVs.

People do this?

Just use Pokegen OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:44:57 No.14972992 Report

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Like >>14972845 said, it can help in Battle Tower and shit.

Besides, Gen VI hasn't been incorporated, without bugs at least, into online simulators yet.

There's also the fact that the 3DS can't be hacked, so you have to breed for IVs now when it comes to shit like official tournaments, which uses the game instead of sims.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:45:03 No.14972996 Report

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>>14972927

They wouldn't keep making IVs easier and easier to to max out if they didn't want you to do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:45:17 No.14973016 Report

Quoted By: >>14973087 >>14973306

>>14972927
>IV breeding is retarded and GF keeps it hidden because you aren't supposed to autistically grind for the perfect set of IVs, ignore those like a normal person would.

You slow poking m8? They made Iv breeding easy as fuck. You can get 5 or 6 perfect IVs from a couple of hours of breeding if you have some friend safari dittos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:45:41 No.14973042 Report

Quoted By: >>14978653

Good luck beating the Battle Tower, Frontier, or their various stand-ins with an in-game team.

At least be properly EV trained.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:45:45 No.14973046 Report

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Working hard to breed competitive pokémon in game is another way of having fun. It can be more tedious but many people find it rewarding and also it's how GameFreak itself intended it to be, putted items and systems you msut find or win in game to achieve these goals, that is also fun for some people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:46:33 No.14973078 Report

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>>14972988
>>14972988

Gen VI makes IV breeding easy as fuck now. GF is pretty much acknowledging that people DO care about them, so they're making them easier to get in-game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:46:32 No.14973079 Report

Quoted By: >>14973233

>>14972845
>>14972927
I suppose it would do quite well in the towers. I suppose my willingness to EV train is dependent on the expansion of the battle facilities. Don't know if XandYs post game justifies it.

>>14972903
Understandable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:46:47 No.14973087 Report

Quoted By: >>14973180 >>14973312 >>14973610

>>14973016
Is there any simple guide to doing this? Is it just trading the choice items around until you can destiny knot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:47:02 No.14973104 Report

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>>14972746
I do it for fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:47:17 No.14973117 Report

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VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:48:00 No.14973147 Report

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The harder areas even within the main games (think battle towers and the like) hold you to a higher standard where having the right setup is important, including EVs.

It's a system that rewards proper preparation and allows for natural variation between casuals' pokemon. It's a goal for smarter players.

EVs are much better thought-out than IVs, which are genes and to give value to breeding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:48:51 No.14973180 Report

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>>14973087
Friend Safari. Each Pokemon you get from one has at least 2 stats with max IVs.

0774-4764-4233

0774-4764-4233 Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:49:02 No.14973186 Report

Quoted By: >>14973375

Breeding is half the fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:49:55 No.14973233 Report

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>>14973079
There's no reason NOT to EV train now.

There's literally no reason besides just being stubborn, with super training they've made it so even the most casual person can EV train.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:51:44 No.14973306 Report

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>>14973016
They made it a lot better this gen with dittos in the friend safari and friend safari pokes having 2 perfect IVs minimum.

with that and the not over a few generations of a breeding program you can have 3 or 4 perfect IVs easy and 5-6 with some effort.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:51:50 No.14973312 Report

Quoted By: >>14973428 >>14973531 >>14973567

>>14973087

Step 1: Go catch dittos of useful natures
Step 2: Go catch a lot of random friend safari dittos, they have atleast 2 perfect IVs if they are from the friend safari, try to get as many different combinations as possible, IE SpA, Hp. Spa, Speed, etc, etc
Step 3: Take a species of pokemon (whatever actual pokemon you want) and breed it with a correct nature ditto while the ditto of the right nature is holding an everstone
Step 4: Take that baby, which is now the correct nature, and breed it with the correct IV dittos, while the baby holds an everstone, and ditto holds a destiny know.

Keep doing this until you get a baby that has the same maxed out IVs the ditto has, say your ditto has HP, and Def IVs. Breed until you get a baby that has perfect Hp, and Def IVs. (won't take that long). Now take that baby and breed it with a different ditto that has different IVs. Say your baby has max HP, and Def, and the ditto has Speed and attack. Breed until you get another baby with max HP, Def, speed, and attack.

It sounds like a lot of work, but it actually isn't. And doesn't even take that long. The worst part is catching the right nature dittos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:53:18 No.14973375 Report

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>>14973186
I don't think it's fun, but it is rewarding to know that you put time and effort into Pokemon that are wholly yours.

When you are forced to put so much time into it, you become more familiar with your team. One thing I noticed in my opponents/friends who Pokegen for wifi (instead of using sims) is that they often are awful at prediction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:54:21 No.14973428 Report

Quoted By: >>14973490 >>14973522 >>14973524

>>14973312
>The worst part is catching the right nature dittos.
shouldn't synchronize make that easy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:54:41 No.14973444 Report

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>>14972746
Pokegen, hacking, and other non-Pokemon game stuff is lame. I like to catch, breed, and train my own pokemon to battle my friends who do the same. Why would those systems be in place if you are just going tto ignore them entirely?

Also, pokegen is for faggots. Just use battle simulators and stop cheating in a video game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:55:36 No.14973490 Report

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>>14973428

Yeah, but you still gotta catch/breed synchronize pokemon of the right nature at random.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:56:19 No.14973522 Report

Quoted By: >>14973561

>>14973428
but then you need the right natured synchronizer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:56:21 No.14973524 Report

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>>14973428
Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:56:40 No.14973531 Report

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>>14973312
>destiny know

Meant to say destiny knot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:57:19 No.14973561 Report

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>>14973522
breed the synchronizers of all the natures you could ever want first and then you're set for life

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:57:29 No.14973567 Report

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>>14973312
Thank you

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:58:43 No.14973610 Report

Quoted By: >>14973753

>>14973087

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:59:52 No.14973646 Report

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X and Y is so easy that despite the fact Super Training makes EV so easy for a casual player like me I just don't care to do it. Generally I don't like minigames and I would rather play the main game so supertraining is kind of meh for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:59:56 No.14973650 Report

Quoted By: >>14973713

I do EV training, but I don't really give a shit about IVs
And I don't really care about using the "best" Pokemon, that's some "Fox Only, No Items, Final Destination" shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:01:45 No.14973713 Report

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>>14973650
Honestly I get why some people enjoy breeding them, but if you're that into playing pokemon on the max level why not just use something like showdown instead?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:02:40 No.14973753 Report

Quoted By: >>14974151

>>14973610

That feel when you caught a HP, Def, SpD Ditto. And a Attack, SpA, and speed ditto almost right away and were set for life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:04:57 No.14973839 Report

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EVs and IVs are easy shit this gen. Stop complaining about them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:07:11 No.14973948 Report

Quoted By: >>14973973 >>14974024 >>14974061

When is the best time to EV train? if i get a lvl 1 froakie that I want to use should I just EV train it right away or wait? Does it even matter?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:07:52 No.14973973 Report

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>>14973948
Level 1 supertraining is best, so you don't accidentally give it EVs from something else later.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:09:11 No.14974024 Report

Quoted By: >>14974489

>>14973948

Now here, go max EVs in like 15 minutes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:10:02 No.14974061 Report

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>>14973948
If you can bear to do it immediately, the fastest is to do it immediately.

You vitamin the two stats of note to 100 immediately (costly but saves you a lot of time), then super train the rest.

If you have all the appropriate bonuses (pokerus, sweet scent) and know what hordes give what EVs, hordes are faster.

Super training is fairly fast, though, and has the advantage of being easy to understand and control the results without too much thought.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:12:07 No.14974151 Report

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>>14973753
I have yet to get a 3 stat ditto. I have doubles of 2 different ones, I think its A+S and SA+SD. Whats kind of cool is that both the doubles I caught have imposter

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:12:14 No.14974158 Report

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>implying they won't import hacked pokemon into the bank and just use gen 1-5 pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:16:19 No.14974316 Report

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Does the reset bag bring ALL EVs back to 0, even ones from battling?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:20:57 No.14974489 Report

Quoted By: >>14974539

>>14974024
>calling EXP share casual
>get people bitching about the game being a grindfest

WAT?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:22:33 No.14974539 Report

Quoted By: >>14974764

>>14974489
They're opposite camps of people, save for the people that love to hate everything.

If you consider the grind to be a part of the game that is important you probably hate the exp shrae.

If you hate the grind the Exp share is God's gift to man.

I think it needed to be balanced, it was fair in theory but overleveling was way too easy due to ample trainers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:24:04 No.14974594 Report

Quoted By: >>14974674 >>14974715 >>14974762 >>14975169 >>14985160

so once ive got my dittos with natures how do I change the name after I check the iv?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:25:50 No.14974674 Report

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>>14974594
Can't remember which town has the name rater in the pokemon center, but it should tell you from the map.

Polio 5456-0529-9606 (Tangela, Sawsbuck, ?)

Polio 5456-0529-9606 (Tangela, Sawsbuck, ?) Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:26:43 No.14974715 Report

Quoted By: >>14974760 >>14975621

>>14974594
How do you check what IVs it has maxed out?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:27:46 No.14974760 Report

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>>14974715
the dude at the pokemon centre in the city with the safari, he will say for example, the attack and defence stat 'cant be beat'

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:27:49 No.14974762 Report

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>>14974594

You can just use the mark pokemon feature. That's what I did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:27:48 No.14974764 Report

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>>14974539
Yeah, just can't seem to fathom people wanting the game to be harder than it is and lose an easy gym because they were stubborn not to level their mons on par or higher than the gym.

I'm not Ash that is willing to fuck around and not train my mons only to have a 20 episode arc trying to beat a single gym. I want to go in a gym all prepared and just pass it and shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:36:15 No.14975169 Report

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>>14974594
Go to the pokemon center in that town near the Day Care and Chateau

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:46:48 No.14975621 Report

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>>14974715
The one guy in the pokecenter at Kiloude tells you. What I like doing is using the markings at the pc to denote what stats the dittos are perfect in

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:52:35 No.14978467 Report

Quoted By: >>14978761

So does anyone know if you can just wait in front of the fucking day care guy to grab eggs or do I have to bike back and forth?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:56:24 No.14978653 Report

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>>14973042
In fairness this is because the "in-game metagame" like Battle Tower/Subway/etc abuses its control of the RNG to win.

>quick claw activated!
>quick claw activated!
>quick claw activated!
>critical hit!

Mhm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:58:31 No.14978761 Report

Quoted By: >>14981650

>>14978467
You have to move. Every 255 steps it's decides if there was an egg produced. You also have to take steps to hatch eggs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 21:54:07 No.14981650 Report

Quoted By: >>14982312

>>14978761
The most tedious part of this whole process IS the fucking walking to make eggs hatch..

Wish Flame Body could work on eggs in party as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 22:06:53 No.14982312 Report

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>>14981650
>Wish Flame Body could work on eggs in party as well.
wat
That's exactly what it does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 22:08:39 No.14982427 Report

Quoted By: >>14982622

So they made each stat cap at 252, awesome.
But is the overall cap still 510, or is it now 504?

Nimble X:0731-6116-6480 [Poison; Seviper, Garbador, Whirlipede] !bdB08On366

Nimble X:0731-6116-6480 [Poison; Seviper, Garbador, Whirlipede] !bdB08On366 Mon 21 Oct 2013 22:12:21 No.14982622 Report

Quoted By: >>14982703

>>14982427
should be 508.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 22:13:55 No.14982703 Report

Quoted By: >>14982940

>>14982622
>should be
Not the answer I'm looking for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 22:17:59 No.14982940 Report

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>>14982703
well deeming they only cut down the 252;

252+252= 504
510-504=6.
there's still one more stat point with that remainder, so I would assume it'd be 508.

Gamefreak being gamefreak, however, the cap is probably still 510.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 22:26:06 No.14983360 Report

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maaan... there are still retards like this out there?... holy fuck...
have fun playing this game like a 5yrs old baby hahaha

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 23:01:20 No.14985109 Report

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Anyone know much about Wynauts? Say I have a Calm Wynaut with 4/6/5/6/5 as stats at lvl.1 is this good? I assume Wynaut's attack is based on the opponents stat due to counter/mirror coat so I let that be the low one. Don't have access to IV man in Kiloude since haven't beaten the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 23:02:28 No.14985160 Report

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>>14974594
There are 6 IV and 6 markings. Much easier.

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