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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:11:42 No.14976718 View View Reply Original Report

So is there a consensus yet on how the new starters rank against each other? Most/least competitive?

I'm very new to competitive play so I may be off about this, but with his defensive stats, leech seed, toxic, and spiky shield Chesnaught seems like he'd make one hell of an indirect damage tank.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:12:49 No.14976767 Report

Quoted By: >>14985050

Protean Greninja = OU
Magician Delphox = Usable
Chesnaught = Shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:14:45 No.14976848 Report

Quoted By: >>14977018 >>14980237

Greninja is the most likely to be OU or a good UU pokemon to use in OU due to his really good ability.

Chesnaught has good bulk and a really unique ability that stops alot of thing (protects against Sludge Bomb/Aura Sphere and other bomb moves) so it has some nice niche in OU and could be a decent UU pokemon. Its issue is that it has a meh movepool and lacks good tools like Mach Punch and Drain Punch

Not sure about Delplox atm but she could be a decent UU pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:16:04 No.14976908 Report

Quoted By: >>14977018 >>14977049 >>14977325

The vast majority of people seem to be dismissing Chesnaught, saying it's mostly an inferior Breloom. Well, I think he will get his revenge yet, when it's realized what moves does Bulleproof stop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:18:30 No.14977018 Report

Quoted By: >>14977126

>>14976908
>The vast majority of people seem to be dismissing Chesnaught, saying it's mostly an inferior Breloom.

It has it's own niche but its mostly like this guy said

>>14976848

Needed a better move pool with shit like mach punch and drain punch. I don't even think it learns close combat.

TheJollyFlyingMan !fd25rUKdqQ

TheJollyFlyingMan !fd25rUKdqQ Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:19:09 No.14977049 Report

Quoted By: >>14977146

>>14976908
Chesnaught walls mega gengar unless it's packing a Psychic move,and he can fight back with EQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:21:02 No.14977126 Report

Quoted By: >>14977223

>>14977018
He could probably get it from Primeape cause they're in the same egg group. Has anyone tried this yet?

He doesn't really need CC that much cause he needs defenses. He needs mach punch and Drain Punch to be really good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:21:37 No.14977146 Report

Quoted By: >>14977202 >>14977703 >>14979015

>>14977049

Is it known what moves Bulletproof blocks? That could be easily tested (I don't have the game, or I'd have done it myself already). Hoping it blocks stuff like Draco Meteor, then all you Froakiefags can eat shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:23:08 No.14977202 Report

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>>14977146
Apprently on Smogon it can block shit like Focus Blast and fucking Aura Sphere.

Fuck wouldn't be surprised if this thing blocked Ice Beam for some weird ass reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:23:43 No.14977223 Report

Quoted By:

>>14977126

Hammer Arm is better than CC (since it doesn't waste his defenses), and he has that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:25:34 No.14977298 Report

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Greninja has the stats to outspeed and 1HKO the other two.

Greninja > Delphox > Chesnaught

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:26:15 No.14977325 Report

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>>14976908
It has a niche, it's immune to Mega Gengar's Shadow Ball and Sludge Bomb thanks to Bulletproof (maybe Focus Blast too), but then Golurk and Nidoqueen were counters to Terrakion in Gen 5 and look how that wound up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:29:36 No.14977470 Report

Quoted By: >>14977557 >>14977687 >>14977784 >>14977884 >>14978328 >>14979101 >>14980427 >>14988328

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/696959-pokemon-x/67530970

"It grants immunity to Ball, Bullet, and Bomb moves. That includes the following:

Bullet Seed, Seed Bomb, Icicle Spear, Gyro Ball, Rock Blast, Rollout, and Ice Ball.

Those aren't all of them though."

HAHA GET WRECKED FROAKIEFAGS

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:31:18 No.14977557 Report

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>>14977470
>Greninja used Ice Beam!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:31:19 No.14977559 Report

Quoted By: >>14977756 >>14977836

Noob question: haven't been into Pokemon for a long time and just now getting back in - how do you get hidden abilities? Chesnaught seems like he isn't much good without bulletproof, so how does one go about acquiring that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:34:51 No.14977687 Report

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>>14977470
>implying Greninja isn't still the best, competitively or otherwise

TheJollyFlyingMan !fd25rUKdqQ

TheJollyFlyingMan !fd25rUKdqQ Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:35:09 No.14977703 Report

Quoted By:

>>14977146
It blocks Sludge Bomb and Shadow Ball

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:36:08 No.14977756 Report

Quoted By: >>14978186

>>14977559
Trading, Wonder Trading or Friend Safari.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:36:59 No.14977784 Report

Quoted By: >>14977873

>>14977470
>Those aren't all of them though

Seriously how is icicle spear a bomb, bullet or ball move? I hate it when GF doesn't list what an ability involves. Same shit with things like tough claws just list the fucking percentage you fucking japs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:38:15 No.14977836 Report

Quoted By:

>>14977559
i'd like to know this too

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:39:17 No.14977873 Report

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>>14977784
It's shooting icicles at you like bullets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:39:30 No.14977884 Report

Quoted By: >>14977973 >>14977976

>>14977470
>Icicle Spear

...What

dont' tell me this is a goddamn soft counter for fucking Cloyster

Gamefreak are you fucking serious? HOW IS A SPEAR OF ICE A BALL/BOMB MOVE

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:41:36 No.14977973 Report

Quoted By: >>14978086

>>14977884
>Soft Counter
This shit essentially walls Cloyster if it's not running an extra ice move in it's fourth slot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:41:37 No.14977976 Report

Quoted By:

>>14977884
>implying spears aren't bullets

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:43:56 No.14978086 Report

Quoted By:

>>14977973
>This shit essentially walls Cloyster if it's not running an extra ice move in it's fourth slot.

shit I just realized that too

even if it use Ice Spear it'll be a 2HKO at best and Chesnaught will just Hammer Arm him to hell

What a weird but effective counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:46:27 No.14978186 Report

Quoted By: >>14978286

>>14977756
You trade them and their ability changes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:48:19 No.14978286 Report

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>>14978186
No no, basically, Pokemon with hidden abilities will appear on the Friend Safari (If you have a friend with that type registered), then if you are lucky enough you can get one that people has wonder traded, or ask for one in a trade.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:49:19 No.14978328 Report

Quoted By: >>14978696

>>14977470
So Chesnaught can actually wall a big threat like Cloyster

Wow

I'm amazed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:57:15 No.14978696 Report

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>>14978328

it can also setup a sub on ferrothorn, unlike breloom, because gyro ball would break it

those aren't all moves, too

someone should ask that guy if he tested anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 21:03:26 No.14979015 Report

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>>14977146

Blocks Energy ball, not that that's massively relevant

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 21:05:06 No.14979101 Report

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>>14977470

My guess is it blocks "projectiles."

Like, phys attacks that Spiky Shield won't damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 21:08:14 No.14979277 Report

Quoted By: >>14979330 >>14979413

Wait, wait, wait.

Protean means Greninja gets a guaranteed STAB on every attack (assuming no ability dampening shit)? And does he lose his water/dark typing permanently (until switched out) the moment he acts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 21:09:24 No.14979330 Report

Quoted By: >>14979624

>>14979277
Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 21:11:00 No.14979413 Report

Quoted By: >>14979624

>>14979277
Yes he gets STAB on everything, since he changes to a mono-type matching your next move until he uses another move or switches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 21:15:48 No.14979624 Report

Quoted By:

>>14979330
>>14979413
Huh. Is that some ninja shit or did they just feel like giving the guy a beastly ability?

Is there interesting hack potential? How would Protean Arceus play?

Also:
>Breloom vs. Greninja
>I know he knows I have Mach Punch so I won't use it in case he uses a Ghost type attack
>I know he knows I have a Ghost type attack so I won't use it because he's too scared of using Mach Punch and wasting a turn
>I know he knows I know he has a Ghost type attack so I can use Mach Punch since he won't use the Ghost move to avoid Mach Punch because he thinks I won't use it
>I know he knows I know he knows I have a Ghost type move attack so he'll use Mach Punch so I should use the Ghost move and avoid it
>I know he knows I know he knows I know he has a Ghost type move...
ad infinitum

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 21:26:57 No.14980237 Report

Quoted By: >>14980396

>>14976848
>she

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 21:30:06 No.14980396 Report

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>>14980237
>not a she

fuck your male privilege

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 21:30:40 No.14980427 Report

Quoted By: >>14980504

>>14977470

>Ability named Bullet Proof
>Doesn't make him immune to Bullet Punch

T-thanks Gamefreak...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 21:32:04 No.14980504 Report

Quoted By: >>14980594 >>14985061

>>14980427
>implying he needs that

be glad he can fucking wall Cloyster of all things

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 21:33:41 No.14980594 Report

Quoted By: >>14980711

>>14980504

It'd be even better if he could completely wall and set up on Choice Band Scizor, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 21:36:04 No.14980711 Report

Quoted By: >>14980881

>>14980594
he already resists all of his stab moves tho so he could easily set on him regardless.

All Scizor can do is Super Power and pray that he gets a crit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 21:39:20 No.14980881 Report

Quoted By: >>14980994

>>14980711

u-turn is neutral though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 21:41:19 No.14980994 Report

Quoted By: >>14984733

>>14980881
oh yeah forgot nvm

though it probably won't do that much damage and he can still get a sub up and start leech seeding on the switch in

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 22:53:50 No.14984733 Report

Quoted By: >>14984860

>>14980994
Not only that, but if I was up against a scizor I would use spiky shield...I'm pretty sure most of his standard sets are contact...and once the debuff happens I'd set up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 22:56:09 No.14984852 Report

Quoted By:

>>14976718
Greninja = OU
the others = NU aka trash

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 22:56:20 No.14984860 Report

Quoted By: >>14985010 >>14985245

>>14984733
But Spiky Shield is a Protect with a 70 BP Grass Physical Damage added to it. Against Bug/Steel is going to do shit damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 22:57:27 No.14984907 Report

Quoted By: >>14985010 >>14985204

>Chesnaught can counter Mega Gengar's moveset

OH MY FUCK

FROM NU TO RU

COME ON, NIGGA

BE ABLE TO USE FUCKING SHELL SMASH

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 22:59:18 No.14985010 Report

Quoted By: >>14985100

>>14984860
any damage is still nice regardless

>>14984907
It doesn't get that but it can completely wall and set up against Ferrothorn and Cloyster which are extremely good OU pokemon

so its something nice

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 23:00:15 No.14985050 Report

Quoted By:

>>14976767
>Chesnaught
>Immune to sludge bomb

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 23:00:22 No.14985061 Report

Quoted By: >>14985275 >>14985321

>>14980504
>cloyster
>good

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 23:01:07 No.14985100 Report

Quoted By: >>14985292

>>14985010
>It doesn't get that
It's immune to Shadow Ball, Sludge Bomb, and even Aura Sphere if Gengar somehow ever gets that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 23:03:38 No.14985204 Report

Quoted By:

>>14984907
Pretty sure gengar runs dazzling gleam now

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 23:04:27 No.14985245 Report

Quoted By: >>14985365

>>14984860
>70 power
I've read it's flat 1/8 of max HP damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 23:05:03 No.14985275 Report

Quoted By:

>>14985061
>he doesnt play competitively

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 23:05:22 No.14985292 Report

Quoted By: >>14985491

>>14985100

>being able to outright block a ton of competitively viable moves

The only ability I know of that is as anti-meta as that is the Unshakable that turned out to be fake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 23:06:03 No.14985321 Report

Quoted By: >>14985414

>>14985061
do you even follow competitive

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 23:06:52 No.14985365 Report

Quoted By:

>>14985245
I'm not sure. I don't have a Chespin to test it, but I've also heard the damage increased with Power-up Punches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 23:07:52 No.14985414 Report

Quoted By:

>>14985321
#competitive
You mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 23:09:14 No.14985491 Report

Quoted By: >>14985809

>>14985292

In case you were wondering, it was a faked hidden ability for some Fighting and Dragon pokemon that caused all damage taken to capped at 40% of their maximum HP

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 23:15:32 No.14985809 Report

Quoted By:

>>14985491
nobody was wondering

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 23:24:44 No.14986270 Report

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Bulletproof Chesnaught is the hero we need, but don't deserve.

Damas 5000-2674-3492

Damas 5000-2674-3492 Tue 22 Oct 2013 00:09:10 No.14988328 Report

Quoted By:

>>14977470
so it basically walls cloyster??

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