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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 13:49:49 No.15067040 View View Reply Original Report

How to fix IVs
>Pokemon now have an EV cap for each stat that caps off to give the stat the same number as if it naturally had 31 IVs

Thoughts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 13:51:15 No.15067077 Report

Quoted By: >>15067203

I just woke up, so forgive me if I'm being stupid, but it sounds to me like you're suggesting that EVs basically be limited to fixing imperfect IVs to perfect IV levels.

Which would trivialize the effort of breeding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 13:51:33 No.15067087 Report

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"Lol, what's breeding?" - OP 2013

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 13:52:35 No.15067113 Report

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Except that having more IV's would still mean that you get to spread out your EV's more, this is fairly interesting. Also, it'd be like your IV's turn into a 'pool' of fixed EV's, so you'd still have an advantage but it wouldn't be as large...

Nevermind, I'm liking this more and more. Subtle yet brilliant. Well done OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 13:53:27 No.15067128 Report

Quoted By: >>15067250 >>15067360 >>15067541

Every Gen has consecutively made it easier to breed for perfect IVs and lazy fucks like OP still don't want to do it.

No ones forcing you to but for fucks sake stop trying to "fix" it. That idea is horrible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 13:54:31 No.15067165 Report

Quoted By: >>15067250

With destiny knot Iv's really aren't all that big a deal anymore, in fact it makes breeding pretty interesting, being able to make a perfect pokemon with half an hour of super training would be the lamest shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 13:56:15 No.15067203 Report

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>>15067077
It would work like the current system, but there would be a certain amount of evs available on each stat to bring it up to a natural 31 IV

Anna 0302-0917-7100 (Pansear, Larvesta, Braixen)

Anna 0302-0917-7100 (Pansear, Larvesta, Braixen) Wed 23 Oct 2013 13:57:04 No.15067221 Report

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I didn't get into breeding in past games because it was too time consuming. In X/Y it finally seems attainable. Between Friend Safari Ditto and Destiny Knot, if you can't get you a 5IV Pokemon in a few hours you're doing it poorly.

idk OP has a point, why grind to get IVs just to be the baseline in competitive battles?

Nevertheless the reward for finally raising the Pokemon you want necessitates that grind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 13:58:23 No.15067250 Report

Quoted By: >>15067329

>>15067128
>>15067165
What about pokemon you haven't bred? should you not be able to use that random shiny you found that has nonstandard IVs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 13:59:26 No.15067269 Report

Quoted By: >>15067294

>An item that boosts or reduces an IV in a particular stat by 1
>They cost 30,000 each
>Can be bought only in Pokemon Z within a lab

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:00:17 No.15067280 Report

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Is there a way to exploit this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:00:49 No.15067294 Report

Quoted By: >>15067378

>>15067269
>slap an Amulet Coin/Luck Incense on a level 100
>Prize Money Power level 3
>sweep E4 a gorillion times

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:01:06 No.15067304 Report

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Why do that when you could just remove IVs instead?
Not saying they should, but your suggestion would be 100x better if they just remove.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:01:59 No.15067319 Report

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I bred two perfect Eevees last night. IVs are not a problem anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:02:17 No.15067329 Report

Quoted By: >>15067398

>>15067250
Go crazy, sure the IV range is a little high but unless youre crazy unlucky that shiny should hold its own, what you're suggesting though completely trivializes breeding, why should some random pokemon you quick ball'd in the wild be equal to one thats taken an hour or so of breeding?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:03:46 No.15067360 Report

Quoted By: >>15067410 >>15067440

>>15067128
>have a ditto with 3 perfect ivs
>breed it with an abra with 2 perfect ivs
>7 babies in have shit ivs

is there some sort of secret they wont tell you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:04:29 No.15067378 Report

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>>15067294
>except the prices work like the magic beans from Zelda
>They're all the rage!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:05:17 No.15067398 Report

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>>15067329

The wild one won't have egg moves and won't be guaranteed to have a proper nature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:05:16 No.15067401 Report

Quoted By: >>15067451 >>15067471 >>15067484

I'll be honest.

IVs are one of the most stupid things ever. It basically resorts to instead of catching and raising your own team, your churning out a mass production line of pokemon.

People who say it's fine to IV breed? Yeah, you're spending fucking hours upon hours of breeding the same fucking pokemon again and again.

Remove IVs, they serve no purpose other than to give Autistics a thing to shoot for

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:05:33 No.15067410 Report

Quoted By: >>15067560

>>15067360
Were you using destiny knot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:07:00 No.15067440 Report

Quoted By: >>15067560

>>15067360
unless it's a mixed attacker, you shouldn't care for 6 perfect stats

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:07:16 No.15067451 Report

Quoted By: >>15067505

>>15067401
Pre gen 6 you'd be right, but honestly now it takes about an hour to get a 5 iv pokemon, and after that you could churn out the rest of your team relatively quickly

IV's could definitely be nerfed though, make it like 21 or something instead

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:08:10 No.15067469 Report

Quoted By: >>15067501 >>15067511 >>15067554

Everyone says it's "so easy" this gen, I must be doing something wrong. If someone could explain the easiest way, or just link me to something which does so I'd be much obliged.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:08:13 No.15067471 Report

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>>15067401
>Yeah, you're spending fucking hours upon hours of breeding the same fucking pokemon again and again.
This isn't an issue anymore.
Breeding a perfect pokemon takes like half an hour now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:08:45 No.15067484 Report

Quoted By: >>15067527

>>15067401
>casual and proud
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:09:36 No.15067501 Report

Quoted By: >>15067544 >>15067581 >>15073004

>>15067469
baby pokemon have 3 perfect IVs at random stats
Friend Safari pokemon have 2 perfect IVs at random stats
Destiny Knot transfers 5 IVs randomly on both parents

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:09:43 No.15067505 Report

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>>15067451
The whole point of IVs is to make each pokemon unique.

So that although it may not be great at attack, it might have a bit more speed and so forth.

Natures defeat the entire point of that. Hell, the nature's system pretty much did what IVs never could do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:10:08 No.15067511 Report

Quoted By: >>15067544 >>15067603 >>15067688

I like IVs because they make every pokemon unique. The whole concept of the game is to capture and train pokemon. It would trivialize the capturing part.

>>15067469
The destiny knot guarantees 5 IVs from either parent will be inherited. Power items still work as usual.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:10:53 No.15067527 Report

Quoted By: >>15067546

>>15067484
>Autistic and proud.

I'd rather spend an hour NOT riding a bicycle back and forth doing nothing interesting

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:10:59 No.15067530 Report

Quoted By:

They should just max out IVs for competitive modes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:11:02 No.15067533 Report

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Am I doing something wrong? It takes me well over an hour to get something with perfect IVs. I'm trying to get a modest Eevee with perfect IVs. I bred a modest Eevee with perfect HP, sp. atk and speed, gave it an everstone and put it in the daycare with a ditto with perfect sp. def and def IVs holding a destiny knot. All the eevees I've hatched so far have had one, two perfect IVs tops. Is it just bad luck?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:11:23 No.15067541 Report

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>>15067128

This. It's now easily doable in just two or three hours, which is trivial considering how much of an edge good IVs can give you. `

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:11:31 No.15067544 Report

Quoted By: >>15067633

>>15067501
When you say "baby pokemon" do you mean newly hatched eggs or actual "baby pokemon?"

>>15067511
I know, it's getting the one with perfect IVs that's the problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:11:33 No.15067546 Report

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>>15067527
Just play a simulator instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:11:46 No.15067554 Report

Quoted By: >>15068418

>>15067469
>destiny knot passes down five random IVs from the parent
>Power items guarantee a pass down
>everstone for nature
Add in some Friend Safari 'mon with two perfect IVs and you can finish within an hour.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:11:54 No.15067560 Report

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>>15067410
No I didn't know I had to is there a guide?
>>15067440
I just wanted the ditto's stats honestly, it was HP, Sp Atk, Speed at 31

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:12:57 No.15067581 Report

Quoted By: >>15067604 >>15067614

>>15067501
>Friend Safari pokemon have 2 perfect IVs at random stats
I got a ditto with 3 perfect IVs so there's a chance for that

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:13:34 No.15067603 Report

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>>15067511
But they don't make every pokemon unique though do they?

They just make a pokemon either good.. or shit.

IVs should either be removed, or turned into something manipulatable without chain breeding for hours.

Or if autistics are so fucking inclined to it. Make them some kind of EV system.

you have 31 IVs to turn into EVs. you can't have perfect IVS in every stat anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:13:35 No.15067604 Report

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>>15067581
I guess "at least" is better wording.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:14:04 No.15067614 Report

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>>15067581
It's 2 minimum, you can get 6 if you're mad lucky

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:14:44 No.15067633 Report

Quoted By: >>15067722 >>15067750 >>15067881

>>15067544
>I know, it's getting the one with perfect IVs that's the problem.

If you use a destiny knot and power item at the same time, the chances of breeding a pokemon with 6 perfect IVs from two with 5 perfect IVs is 1/36.

That's assuming that your 5 IV pokes have different imperfect IVs and you set the power item to pass down the perfect IV that matches one of the imperfect ones.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:16:51 No.15067688 Report

Quoted By: >>15067717 >>15067751

>>15067511
>I like IVs because they make every pokemon unique.

Honestly, why bother saying this? What's the point in making them "unique" when people just throw away the non perfect ones?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:17:56 No.15067717 Report

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>>15067688
>Honestly, why bother saying this? What's the point in making them "unique" when people just throw away the non perfect ones?

It was impossible to get perfect ones reliably before this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:17:57 No.15067718 Report

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I remember in hg and ss that you can choose what stat should inherit equipping an item.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:18:01 No.15067722 Report

Quoted By: >>15067749 >>15067757

>>15067633
>If you use a destiny knot and power item at the same time

What about an everstone for the nature?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:19:17 No.15067749 Report

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>>15067722
Use that after.
Once you get a kid with the correct nature you can just breed it with the ditto or something with the destiny knot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:19:21 No.15067750 Report

Quoted By: >>15067948

>>15067633
So I get a "baby pokemon" and a Pokemon from the Friend safari, give one a Destiny Knot and one a Power Item, and there's a 1/36 chance to get a perfect IV pokemon. I get it now, but what do you mean by "baby pokemon?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:19:22 No.15067751 Report

Quoted By: >>15071154

>>15067688
Exactly.

Not only do IVs make the non perfect ones worse, it makes capturing pokemon in the wild less outstanding.

>Oh yeah, I caught an Adamant Shiny Dratini, oh it has 0 attack IVs. Into the trash it goes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:19:40 No.15067757 Report

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>>15067722
I chose to breed for nature after breeding for IVs, because then I can just have the perfect IV pokemon hold the destiny knot from then on.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:22:46 No.15067844 Report

Quoted By: >>15067888

>>15067040
Listen, OP, I get you. I was scared of breeding once, too. I just recently put those fears aside and bred an almost PERFECT Bulbasaur. I'm talking 31 IVs in HP, Sp.Attack, Defense, Sp.Defense and Speed. You know how long it took me, once I got the proper tools (friend safari Dittos and friend safari dream Ivysaurs)? 3 hours. That's it. That's all it took to breed that shit. The new mechanics make it super easy, and now I have a Modest, Chlorophyl Venusaur with perfect IVs that is going to tear shit up.

It's not that hard, you don't need to fix them. I think they fixed breeding (and by proxy, IV's) enough this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:23:00 No.15067855 Report

Quoted By:

How a bout this
>2 kinds of EVs and EV caps
>1 set is the normal kind, 255 per stat, 510 overall
>the second set is a cap that is based off the pokemons IVs, it brings them to the 31 IV standard
>normal EVs, used in the first set, are what we use today but are now gained by Super Training or whatever its next spinoff is
>the new EVs, used in the extra cap, are now gained from wild pokemon

Does this work?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:23:07 No.15067859 Report

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I think IVs should be an extension of the nature.

Say you have a Jolly natured pokemon.

It'll have a chance at either having 31 IVS in Attack, 31 IVS in Speed or 31IVS in Health.

Basically, you always get a benefit from them.

Chain breeding could get you all three IVS, but capturing pokemon in the wild will still be useful.

Anna 0302-0917-7100 (Pansear, Larvesta, Braixen)

Anna 0302-0917-7100 (Pansear, Larvesta, Braixen) Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:23:55 No.15067881 Report

Quoted By: >>15067939

>>15067633
>destiny knot and power item
Question, though. I thought someone had to be holding an Everstone if I wanted to reliably pass down nature. ?

I'm still fairly new to this. I've so far bred two Pokemon with 5 perfect IVs but am still trying to figure out how to streamline the process.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:24:08 No.15067888 Report

Quoted By: >>15067983 >>15067994

>>15067844
>Sonic picture
>It only took me 3 hours
>Do do the same boring task over and over.

Autism: The post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:25:59 No.15067939 Report

Quoted By: >>15068216

>>15067881
You'll have to breed for nature separately.

You could breed for nature before IVs, but I did it afterward. My intuition says this way is faster, but I haven't done any math.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:26:20 No.15067948 Report

Quoted By: >>15068266

>>15067750
Could really use some help here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:26:31 No.15067952 Report

Quoted By: >>15067989 >>15068002

Two types of anon on /vp/ right now
>I'm old and find this gen baby easy to do all the things I've had to do for years
>I'm brand-new to pokemon (again) and find these dumbed down versions of old mechanics confusing and a waste of time

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:27:54 No.15067983 Report

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>>15067888
Ad I did it, I was listening to music, and talking to friends over Skype. I'm a programmer, so I am used to doing shit like this. Sitting in front of a screen for hours on end, just to make 50 lines of code become 30 lines of code is about the same as this, patience and determination wise.

And I posted Sonic because OP posted Sonic.

Pic related: It's a hedgehog.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:28:12 No.15067989 Report

Quoted By:

>>15067952
What about the third type?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:28:21 No.15067994 Report

Quoted By:

>>15067888
>be a young adult (presumably)
>like Pokemon
>be on 4chan
>be on /vp/
>use autism as an insult
>probably on the spectrum

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:28:40 No.15068002 Report

Quoted By: >>15068040 >>15068067 >>15068110

>>15067952
Two types of anon in this thread right now:
>I'm an autist who likes Sonic and Pokemon and I love spending hours doing the same thing
>I just want to play competitively without a massive disadvantage

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:29:38 No.15068035 Report

Quoted By:

OP is saying that instead of training work it should exists a machine that alterate your dna in order to have perfect growth of the human or animal attributes.

Maybe in a future.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:29:49 No.15068040 Report

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>>15068002
So you and everyone else that knows how to breed relatively quickly?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:30:51 No.15068067 Report

Quoted By: >>15068145 >>15068154 >>15068203 >>15068358

>>15068002
Sorry, I mistyped the last line, I meant to put

>I just want to play competitively, but I'm unwilling to do the work that others are willing to do. Why should I have to train to lift weights in order to go to a weight lifting competition?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:32:17 No.15068110 Report

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>>15068002
Imma have to say IV's and egg moves are what put me into the Smogon leagues many a year ago. As much as I would like to play online, getting stomped by the same teams of RNG legendaries over and over again got kind of tiring

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:33:31 No.15068145 Report

Quoted By: >>15068327

>>15068067
This is why Pokemon will never be competitive, if you think breeding Pokemon is akin to training for something then you're a lost cause.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:33:56 No.15068154 Report

Quoted By: >>15068327 >>15068375

>>15068067
But once Pokegen comes out there will only be a small minority of people that breed legitimately. It completely kills any desire to do things legit when others can spend 10 minutes doing what you would be doing in several hours to several days for an entire team.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:35:38 No.15068203 Report

Quoted By: >>15068327

>>15068067
>muh perfect Pokemon that only took me 3 hours to breed
>why should anon not have to go through the same 3 hours of tedious breeding I had to?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:35:55 No.15068216 Report

Quoted By: >>15068286

>>15067939
Hows does that work, though? If I get the IVs I want but not the right nature, then if I continue to breed for that nature, I might not have the IVs I want anymore, right? I was also under the impression that Everstone affects passing down of abilities, but I may be wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:37:58 No.15068266 Report

Quoted By: >>15068302

>>15067948
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Baby_Pokémon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:38:31 No.15068286 Report

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>>15068216
You'll have to do it iteratively. The first egg might have two perfect IVs, then replace its parent in the daycare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:38:59 No.15068302 Report

Quoted By: >>15068527

>>15068266
So only these Pokemon can have 3 perfect IVs. What about everything else?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:39:43 No.15068327 Report

Quoted By: >>15068440

>>15068145
Elaborate. I can say "If you think 1 and 1 equals 2, you're a lost cause." But that doesn't make it right. You're spending time to perfect your pokemon for a pokemon competition, as opposed to spending time to perfect your lifting for a lifting competition.

>>15068154
You're right. I'll probably be one of those people. And I'll be damn happy there is a tool that allows me to make perfect Pokemon faster. But for now, that tool doesn't exist. So I make them the old fashioned way.

>>15068203
I don't care if you do or don't put that time in, but don't complain if you get shitstomped when an IV bred Pokemon crosses your path. I'm not forcing you to play competitively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:41:03 No.15068358 Report

Quoted By: >>15068440 >>15068441

>>15068067
you sound so autistic and stupid
it's called grinding. you shouldnt have to grind to be competitive in a game

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:41:39 No.15068375 Report

Quoted By: >>15068414 >>15068449 >>15068466

>>15068154
>once Pokegen comes out

>3ds still can't run unsigned code

Good luck, cheaters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:43:00 No.15068414 Report

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>>15068375
It's only a matter of time, really. There's no way it won't eventually happen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:43:08 No.15068418 Report

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>>15067554
>Within an hour

Yeah not, best you can do is like 3 hours, more realistic 5. And that's for only 5 IVs, for 6 it's god knows how much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:44:01 No.15068440 Report

Quoted By: >>15068472 >>15068497 >>15068526 >>15068634

>>15068327
Because as >>15068358 said, grinding isn't training at all, training is getting in battles, learning things, when to use certain moves, the strength of your each individual Pokemon in battle, learning when to do certain things and take risks. Training is actually training rather than some repetitive grinding outside of battle. Do you ever see fighting game players grinding to build up a fighter that they can use competitively or a RTS player grind to build up their team before they can play competitively? All their time is spent training in game to get better at the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:44:01 No.15068441 Report

Quoted By: >>15068472

>>15068358
Tell that to every fighting game ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:44:11 No.15068449 Report

Quoted By: >>15068526

>>15068375
No need, you only need to fake the GTS, Pokégen on your computer and send it do your DS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:44:45 No.15068466 Report

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>>15068375
Basically Kalos mons won't see the light of day since all previously hacked mons will get transferred over to X and Y via pokebank :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:45:02 No.15068472 Report

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>>15068441
Yeah I addressed that here >>15068440

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:46:03 No.15068497 Report

Quoted By: >>15068514 >>15068526 >>15068546

>>15068440
Exactly. The only competitive game where you grind is LoL and even the company is starting to give full accounts with everything unlocked for most semi-pros and pros.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:46:42 No.15068514 Report

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>>15068497
>LoL
>competitive

Nah, they're only there for the money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:47:05 No.15068526 Report

Quoted By: >>15068578 >>15068619

>>15068449
XY GTS uses SSL AFIAK. I'm not sure the same exploit will work again.

>>15068440
>>15068497
That's right. Pokemon is an RPG, not a competitive game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:47:06 No.15068527 Report

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>>15068302
They are guaranted to have 3 perfect IV's, just like safari pokemon are guaranted with 2.

You can encounter a wild common pokemon with 2 or more perfect IV's, but that takes time and lots of luck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:48:02 No.15068546 Report

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>>15068497
Try DotA2.if you want competitive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:49:45 No.15068578 Report

Quoted By: >>15071663

>>15068526
Good RPGs don't require grinding though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:51:21 No.15068619 Report

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>>15068526
It's a strategy game.

Like Chess or Checkers.

But with grinding?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:51:48 No.15068634 Report

Quoted By: >>15068661 >>15068679 >>15068700 >>15068717

>>15068440
Doing anything over and over again can be considered a grind, be it raising your Pokemon's levels by getting into battles, EV training, or even a WEIGHT TRAINING REGIMEN.

It takes no skill to lift things. You just need to get bigger muscles and gain more strength. So you lift things every day. Heavier and heavier things. Every day. Doing the same exercises. Over and over. All to gain strength, stamina and endurance.

And that's an olympic sport. You can't say that's not competitive. So how come Pokemon isn't?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:53:11 No.15068661 Report

Quoted By: >>15068700 >>15068714

>>15068634
Because Pokemon is a video game.

Unless you're trying to say Pokemon is the same thing as being an athlete.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:53:33 No.15068679 Report

Quoted By: >>15068751

>>15068634
You know someone is just going to say "lel that's a sport, this is a game you can't compare the two" right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:54:10 No.15068695 Report

Quoted By:

>people thing grinding is bad
Too many babies

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:54:19 No.15068700 Report

Quoted By:

>>15068634
>>15068661
Wow, that last line sounded awful. I don't mean Why isn't Pokemon an Olympic sport. I mean why isn't Pokemon considered competitive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:54:37 No.15068714 Report

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>>15068661
Looks like he posted before I did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:54:45 No.15068717 Report

Quoted By: >>15068792

>>15068634
So what you're saying is breeding Pokemon is competitive because it requires grinding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:55:46 No.15068751 Report

Quoted By: >>15068837

>>15068679
>lel that's a sport, this is a game you can't compare the two

Do you actually think they can be compared?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:57:09 No.15068792 Report

Quoted By: >>15071417

>>15068717
No because it requires meticulous minor manipulations that casuals can not be bothered to afford

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 14:58:47 No.15068837 Report

Quoted By: >>15069943

>>15068751
Well League of Legends is considered a sport if I remember right so why no pokemon?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 15:30:42 No.15069943 Report

Quoted By: >>15070982

>>15068837
Because it's adorable. Can't be adorable AND an MLG game. It took several years for Super Smash Bros. Melee to even be considered for EVO just because it's not a Street Fighter 2 clone, and its characters are comedic, for the most part.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 15:37:24 No.15070185 Report

Quoted By: >>15070455

does the destiny knot pass from the parent holding it or does it just bumb the normal 3 stats from pool of 12 (all 6 ivs from both parents) to 5 from the pool?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 15:43:00 No.15070404 Report

Quoted By: >>15071034

How to fix IVs
>just abolish them from stats calculation altogether and make Hidden Power a more intuitive mechanic

even better!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 15:44:26 No.15070455 Report

Quoted By: >>15071038

>>15070185
It takes 5 random IVs from both parents. It could be 3 from one, 2 from the other. 1 from one and 4 from the other. All 5 from one and 0 from the other. Anything like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 15:58:16 No.15070982 Report

Quoted By:

>>15069943
I think it's because the games are actually fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 15:59:35 No.15071034 Report

Quoted By:

>>15070404
How to fix IVs
Git Gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 15:59:40 No.15071038 Report

Quoted By: >>15071159 >>15071174

>>15070455
how do you get 6 ivs then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:02:23 No.15071154 Report

Quoted By:

>>15067751
>0 attack IVs

You're retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:02:30 No.15071159 Report

Quoted By: >>15071217

>>15071038
You don't really need 6 do you?
But I suppose you could use a power item.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:02:48 No.15071174 Report

Quoted By:

>>15071038
Luck. A lot of luck. It's possible, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:03:48 No.15071217 Report

Quoted By: >>15071241 >>15071266

>>15071159
whats a power item?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:04:26 No.15071241 Report

Quoted By:

>>15071217
The items that help with EV trainin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:04:52 No.15071266 Report

Quoted By:

>>15071217
EV items. This is what Bulbapedia is for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:06:42 No.15071333 Report

Quoted By:

If I want a 5/6 perfect iv protean greninja

or at least HP/ Sp Atk/ Speed

I have a female with atk and HP perfect IVs and protean and modest

i have a ditto with spatk/speed/hp max

what do i do to make it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:09:01 No.15071417 Report

Quoted By: >>15071510

>>15068792
which is stupid
places like showdown thankfully eliminate that bullshit
>spend days getting a perfect pokemon
>turns out it doesnt really work well on your team

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:10:54 No.15071510 Report

Quoted By: >>15071564

>>15071417
So why don't people like you just play on showdown then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:12:15 No.15071564 Report

Quoted By: >>15071700

>>15071510
Why play a simulator over the real game?
Why play B/W when X/Y is out?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:12:36 No.15071580 Report

Quoted By: >>15071617

I have a bunch of Dittos.

How can I breed five Imposter Dittos, with max IVs in two stats each. How can I breed them into one Max IV Ditto that I can breed and use from now on?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:13:20 No.15071617 Report

Quoted By:

>>15071580
u cant

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:14:46 No.15071663 Report

Quoted By:

>>15068578
Ha, yeah. "Good" RPGs are casualfest push-a-to-win babby games.
Not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:15:54 No.15071700 Report

Quoted By:

>>15071564
>Why play a simulator over the real game?
The simulator has everything you want without the things that you hate.

>Why play B/W when X/Y is out?
Why not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:20:06 No.15071832 Report

Quoted By: >>15072007

I don't know about you guys, but for a multiplayer monster raising game with such a long lifespan that you can use monsters you raised 10 years ago in modern games, three hours from scratch to create the PERFECT monster doesn't sound bad at all to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:25:26 No.15072007 Report

Quoted By: >>15072272

>>15071832
B-b-but I can only enjoy games if they're tedious as shit because it makes me hardcore!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:32:29 No.15072272 Report

Quoted By:

>>15072007
B-b-but I want to play the game without playing the game!

Dio Brando (Shelgon, Gabite, Sliggoo) 4313-0227-1727

Dio Brando (Shelgon, Gabite, Sliggoo) 4313-0227-1727 Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:54:02 No.15073004 Report

Quoted By: >>15073109

>>15067501
>baby pokemon have 3 random perfect IVs
bullshit
I've been breeding a 4 perfect IV beldum with a 4 perfect IV Ditto holding a Destiny Knot and I have 3 boxes full of Beldums, most of which have only 1 or 2 perfect IVs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:57:07 No.15073109 Report

Quoted By: >>15073135

>>15073004
Wild babies

Dio Brando (Shelgon, Gabite, Sliggoo) 4313-0227-1727

Dio Brando (Shelgon, Gabite, Sliggoo) 4313-0227-1727 Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:57:54 No.15073135 Report

Quoted By: >>15073152

>>15073109
Well then I wish I could find wild Beldum

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:58:26 No.15073152 Report

Quoted By: >>15073269

>>15073135
just do safari

Dio Brando (Shelgon, Gabite, Sliggoo) 4313-0227-1727

Dio Brando (Shelgon, Gabite, Sliggoo) 4313-0227-1727 Wed 23 Oct 2013 17:01:42 No.15073269 Report

Quoted By:

>>15073152
Safari gives Metangs, and I doubt I'd find one with 4+perfect IVs when I've already gone to the trouble of breeding a Beldum with them
I don't really have to worry about Sp. Atk so I guess I only need 5, but it's going to become even more of a nightmare when I shoot for a Shiny one, gonna have to try and get ahold of a foreign Ditto with a good number of perfect IVs

This would be lot less hassle if the fucking Beldums would just breed with each other

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 18:09:15 No.15075709 Report

Quoted By: >>15075908

but i heard that wifi battles give everyone the sam IVs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 18:14:21 No.15075908 Report

Quoted By:

>>15075709
That was a rumor and a lie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 18:16:31 No.15075989 Report

Quoted By:

someone post the new breeding guide. I saw it once but I didn't save it like the dumbass I am

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