Smogon is the worst cancer to ever infest the PokeWorld. The whole website essentially represents that one autistic fuck your mom made you play Pokemon with because no one else in the neighborhood would. Couple said kid's creepy obsessive behavior with a "I MUST ALWAYS WIN" attitude and you have the future makings of a school shooter who breaks loose because of "bullying".>moody is gay and u cant use it >sand veil n snow cloak ruin muh team so u cant use it >swift swim means dat nu pokemon r gud now so u cant use it >stealth rock is fine though lol
Vyro: 3523-2158-1800
Except that MUST WIN LOL is what Smogon is trying to prevent. Yes, there are the typical OU guys (Scizor, Terrakion) but at that's why other tiers exist. So you can still use your favorites without getting shit on.
Anonymous
>>15088207 Are you fucking stupid? Smogon tries to fight the system so that ALL pokemon can be used to their fullest power relative to their surroundings against them.
No one is forcing you to use OU Pokemon, but if your favorite Pokemon is UU, be prepared for it to be outclassed in OU. This is why the UU tier exists, so that Pokemon that aren't as strong as others can thrive in their own tier.
Quit being a little fucking faggot.
Moody, Sand Veil, and snow cloak are all banned because they have to deal with random evasiveness. This is not skill and is mostly RNG luck, Smogon tries their hardest to remove as much luck from the game as possible.
Swift Swim with rain dance is banned because it is too powerful of a combination.
I know this is bait, but holy fucking shit, you made me type out an actual reply.
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i agree to some extent, but you dont need to play by smogon's rules
Anonymous
moody was ban because it puts up accuracy anything that does that is just annoying sand viel because people put it with grachomp and in item for 70 percent evaisian then used double team once for 90 look at that can't hit me bitch swift swim was ban only with drizzle because drizzle lasts the whole game and in combination with kingdra who is already fast hits like a super tank and almost outspeeds deoxys can't do shit even with prioerty when I'm under rain and everything is boosted wit a life orb and all fuck you and there is a whole tier dedicated to not using stealth rocks.. do some research on why before you just complain
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You just want to see the shitposting don't you? Don't you fucking anon?
Anonymous
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Do you realize how shit this game would be if it wasnt regulated?
Anonymous
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Obvious bait thread.
Anonymous
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Look at this rekt nerd hating because he can't use retarded shit to win.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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I remember when Smogon thought Garchomp was an Uber back in ye old D/P days.
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>>15088207 please this whole thread is one group autists arguing with a equally autistic group of sperglords
this kind of shit should not only be deleted it should be bannable
Anonymous
>>15088565 >This is not skill and is mostly RNG luck, Smogon tries their hardest to remove as much luck from the game as possible. I hate this attitude.
>Oh you used stone edge and hit >Banning that move because there's luck involved >Oh you crit >Banning all attacking moves except dragon rage and seismic toss because everything else can crit >Oh, I'm confused? >Well that is banned because I might hit myself instead >Attract? >Don't even think about it Anonymous
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>>15088871 Logical fallacy much?
Anonymous
Nine to Five Hero !xPOSER9PtU
>Smogon is shit If you honestly think a Mewtwo belongs in the same battle as a Jumpluff, then yeah.
>>15088871 There's a difference between random stat boosts and something having a certain percent chance of missing.
>Oh you crit I don't like crits anyway, so I'll give you that one.
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>>15088871 What the fuck are you even talking about.
Anonymous
>>15088871 >moves that change accuracy/evasion are banned >moves such as aerial ace are made specifically to combat this >evasion/accuracy moves still banned I will never understand this. Yeah it's a bummer when your opponent uses minimize. But tough. It's a competition. If your opponent is going to use minimize, be prepared and bring along some moves that can't miss.
Anonymous
>>15088871 Is this a strawman, or just a retard who stumbled across a computer?
Anonymous
>>15088871 That massive amount of logical fallacy. Holy shit, man.
The only one I'd give you is the crit chance. Mainly because no one likes getting crits, and no one likes being on the receiving end of a crit.
Anonymous
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>blatantly ignoring the no stealth rock tier
Anonymous
>>15089073 >Swift >Aerial Ace >Aura Sphere Guess which one of these is the only good one. Guess which two have absolute shit for power and can't be used for shit.
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>>15089073 That's over-centralizing the game. In much the same way that not having sleep clause would devolve the game into who can put the other team to sleep first, evasion boosting moves are banned because at that point, the game would devolve into nothing but stall wars.
Also, the amount of perfectly accurate moves is incredibly small, and of those, only one and a half are any good.
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>>15089073 People seem to think evasion moves are banned because they're broken. They aren't. They're banned because they're fucking annoying, and nobody wants to have to carry aerial ace/swift/whatever on all their Pokémon just to combat it. It's banned so that entire battles don't come down to who can get evasion up first.
Anonymous
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>being THIS mad
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>>15089168 >Forgetting Haze Look at him and laugh!
Anonymous
>>15089073 That's overcentralizing the game.
If everyone is carrying Aerial Ace to combat Double Team, then Double Team needs to be banned.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15089262 And Rapid Spin is different how?
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>>15089073 Good luck killing a minimize Blissey with those shit moves
Anonymous
The only thing I dislike about Smogon is that they said Haxorus is slow, when it's clearly not.
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>>15089303 >x move in weather Does that actually skip accuracy check, or does that just give it 100 accuracy?
Anonymous
>>15089315 You don't need Rapid Spin to win. The best teams don't carry a Rapid Spin user, and instead prevent hazards from being set up in the first place.
>>15089331 Base 97 speed is slow by OU standards.
White5009 !B2vHE9ennE
Imo, it's much more fun to win with Pokemon you love rather than Pokemon that you choose only for their power.
Anonymous
Guess what?
Anonymous
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I like to use smogon to look at builds, but I mainly just use UU and NU tier pokemon because I tend to use the ones I like a lot.
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>>15089331 Base 100 is pretty typical, and it's even pushing it with how many are at that tier and how many threats are above it. 97 just means it gets outsped by a whole lot of stuff, which is relatively slow. There's slower, but if you're not at 100 you're lagging behind.
Anonymous
>>15089404 >Base 97 speed is slow by OU standards. It really, really... really, REALLY isn't. At all.
Anonymous
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>>15089262 Keen Eye says hello. And quite a number of Pokémon has it
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>>15089331 97 Speed is mathematically slow compared to all the threats available in the standard metagame. It's not an opinion, it's math.
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>>15089315 Stealth Rocks and entry hazards have jack shit to do with luck and over-centralization.
You don't NEED to rapid spin rocks or hazards away. However, you DO need a 100 accuracy move to combat a +6 evasion Pokemon.
See the difference?
Anonymous
>>15089073 >aerial ace >shadow punch >feint attack >magnet bomb >shockwave >magical leaf >swift >aura sphere >odor sleuth >foresight >sweet scent >defog Anonymous
>>15089303 >Poor distribution What a load of BS that's what makes some pokemon good in the first place
>Ban **** because he has a good move And if this Double team is soo good are you saying I could beat any team in the world using a generic stall team?
Anonymous
>>15089552 >All lower than 60 BP except for Aura Sphere :^) Okay.
Anonymous
>>15089498 Yes, it kind of fucking is. 110 is the base minimum to be considered fast in OU.
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>>15088207 Then just don't play by their rules you autist.
Hell even within Smogon there is a tier that allows you to run anything, it is called Ubers.
On Showdown I play mostly RU and UU but over Wi-Fi I run all the dumb shit thats banned on Smogon without a care in the world.
Anonymous
>>15089584 compare the distribution of double team to the distribution of non-shit always-hit moves
Anonymous
>>15089004 >If you honestly think a Mewtwo belongs in the same battle as a Jumpluff, then yeah. +2 252 Atk Flying Gem Jumpluff Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mewtwo: 340-402 (96.31 - 113.88%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
Nine to Five Hero !xPOSER9PtU
>>15089417 It's even more fun to put your favorites up against others of relatively equal strength. That way it's a challenge for both you and your opponent. It's no fun to get crushed by someone with an obvious advantage, and it's no fun to procure wins out of obvious advantages.
If there were no tiers, ubers would be the only tier. Everyone would be using the absolute most powerful and no one would have any fun except Mewtwo fanboys.
Anonymous
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>The whole website essentially represents that one autistic fuck your mom made you play Pokemon with because no one else in the neighborhood would
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>>15089606 Saying it's slow though is just wrong. It's not "fast" but it's not slow either. Look.
http://www.smogon.com/bw/tiers/ou Look at all these sub-100 Speeds. I know some don't have roles as sweepers, but some do and they are WAY slower.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15089630 BUT!
>if this Double team is soo good are you saying I could beat any team in the world using a generic stall team? Well can I?
Anonymous
>>15089631 Thats a lot of bullshit to still get oneshot by mewtwo because he either outspeeds you with a speed build or takes the attack with a bulky build.
Anonymous
>>15089695 Sleep Powder + Swords Dance guarantees a boost unless it misses.
Anonymous
>>15089631 >+2 >110 Speed vs 130 Speed >Mewtwo OHKO's it with Ice Beam before it even gets the chance to attack God damn you're dumb.
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>>15089631 But Mewtwo hits you hard before you can get an Acrobatics off.
Also, some Mewtwo sets have full HP EVs
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>>15089654 See: Wifi battles
Anonymous
>>15089604 Pretending that Technician doesn't exist to make those moves more viable.
Anonymous
>>15089702 If you're not shit and they don't manage to win the coin flip a bunch of times, sure. The problem is that it introduces the coin flip, and the only things that eliminate it again are low power, or very low distribution moves. And if you know what low distribution moves threaten you, you can have counters/checks for the users of said moves (or abilities).
Neegra 2406-6346-4023; Ground (Phanpy, Camerupt, Diggersby)
Neegra 2406-6346-4023; Ground (Phanpy, Camerupt, Diggersby) Wed 23 Oct 2013 23:34:23 No. 15089842 Report Uh oh, looks like someone lost to a smogon fag again, and can't handle it.>"Sterroids r gay and u cant use it" >"breaking the limbs of my team ruin my team so u cant do it"
Nine to Five Hero !xPOSER9PtU
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>>15089631 >this quite specific set makes Jumpluff usable against Mewtwo Not sure what you're trying to say. Somehow I have to just so happen to have Jumpluff already out, not have used my flying gem yet, and have Sneaky Pebbles set up, and then my Jumpluff can beat Mewtwo. Not to mention that +2 I'm supposed to get from somewhere. Also what this guy just said as I was typing
>>15089762 Nice effort, though.
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>>15089748 Jumpluff can't even use a move before Mewtwo kills it. Your argument is void before it's even out of the gate.
Anonymous
>>15089802 >needing to run mons with fucking technican to counter double team Fucking awesome.
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>>15089842 But putting stones into the shoes of the enemy team before the match is fine.
Anonymous
I want Smogon tripfags to crawl back to their hellhole and forever leave /vp/.
Anonymous
>>15089762 >>15089746 With Chlorophyll active, even an Adamant Jumpluff can outspeed a scarfed Mewtwo, boost with Swords Dance and KO. It's not likely (rain is everywhere in Ubers, for starters), but it can happen.
Anonymous
>>15089827 So let's say a 3v3
I have Mewtwo, Arceus and Darkrai
What Doubleteam pokes would you choose?
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>>15089919 I wish idiots like you would just learn how Smogon works instead of making shitty threads on /vp/ to clutter up the already cluttered boards.
Anonymous
>>15089921 >IF I HAVE THIS ABSOLUTELY PERFECT SET UP AND MY OPPONENT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING AT ALL TO COUNTER IT, I CAN MAYBE PULL IT OFF Grasping at straws now.
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>>15089498 http://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/ouspeed_tiers 100 is considered slow nowadays. It's why Salamence has to carry a Scarf to even be useful since the DDance set is outclassed so much by DNite it's not worth mentioning.
Haxorus is slow as shit for what it's supposed to be. If it had 3 more base speed it'd be good but still not great. It's probably going to drop to BL with Metagross this Gen which is a shame because I like them both but they just can't keep up with the speed creep.
Neegra 2406-6346-4023; Ground (Phanpy, Camerupt, Diggersby)
Neegra 2406-6346-4023; Ground (Phanpy, Camerupt, Diggersby) Wed 23 Oct 2013 23:38:31 No. 15090030 Report Quoted By:
>>15089117 >no likes getting crits Except assholes like me, winning because of a crit, and feeling the rage of my opponent, brings a certain kind of warmth to my soul that only pure bullshit can achieve.
But I still have a limit of accepting maybe 1-2 bullshit crits per match.
Anonymous
>>15089968 >3v3 you realize smogon does 6v6 and clauses according to the 6v6, yes? And that the pokemon you listed are in the highest tier, which is technically just a banlist rather than an actual tier, yes?
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>>15089417 Where I live, there was a big, official gen I tournament a bit after Stadium was released, and the last battles were to be had in Stadium. The tournament had absolutely no rules save for 3 Pokemon in party only and of course, no hacked Pokemon.
The winner had a team of 3 Mewtwos. Guess how people reacted to that.
In fact, a lot of the teams you'd find on that tournament were a combination of Mewtwo and the 3 legendary birds.
The thing is, no one was forcing anyone to use legendaries. But good luck trying to beat 3 Mewtwos in gen I with your favorites. This is why tiers exist, so you can use your favorites against Pokemon of similar strength.
Before you ask, I was using Vaporeon, Wigglytuff and Pikachu. I couldn't enter the tournament in the end because they accepted more people than what the building allowed, and I was one of the people left out when it started. I still battled people while waiting, though. Anonymous
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>>15089921 You are jumping through a hell of a lot of hoops just to kill Mewtwo.
Anonymous
>>15089802 How many good mons get Technician? 3? How many of those are walled hard by Ferrothorn? 3? Oh right.
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there is no escape, shitlord.
Anonymous
>>15090013 It was mostly a joke, don't get so mad. There are plenty of other low-tier Pokemon that are usable in Ubers, though, mostly.because the restrictions on evasion and Swift Swim in OU are absent there.
Anonymous
I don't like Smogon because they banned Blaziken from OU just for the possibility of him having Speed Boost.I'm not joking.
Neegra 2406-6346-4023; Ground (Phanpy, Camerupt, Diggersby)
Neegra 2406-6346-4023; Ground (Phanpy, Camerupt, Diggersby) Wed 23 Oct 2013 23:40:44 No. 15090139 Report Quoted By:
>>15089802 Don't people run enough scizzor and breloom as it is? How much more technician do you want?
Anonymous
>>15090098 >breloom >fighting type walled by ferrothorn u wot
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>>15089869 The point is that move bans are dumb when there are counters to them. There are less counters to entry hazards, and rapid spin is a super weak move, but about all smogon teams center around them.
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>>15089802 The more you go on the sillier you make Double Team look.
Anonymous
>>15090044 I just wanted to know how broken double team is
>6v6 6 of the strongest OU
vs
6 double team users
Anonymous
Pokemon could be fun without Smogon, there would be actual team diversity. Instead we just have everyone copying teams from Smogon. I see what they are trying to do with the tiers, but it just feels really stupid. What if I mostly use NU but have one OU? I now have to fucking play with the tryhard fags in OU who don't actually give a damn about the pokemon. It's shit and I kind of wish there were people to play with who had a competitive spirit, but didn't resort to just using every damn pokemon that Smogon told them to use.
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>>15090120 >Gets called out on being a dipshit >IT WAS A JOKE BRO Anonymous
>Implying Moody and evasion abilities aren't totally bullshit
Anonymous
>>15090143 >fighting type whose gimmick is sporing niggas >Ferrothorn is now immune to spore, thanks to being part grass type Anonymous
>>15090221 >fighting type that still has fighting type moves available for it against something slow as shit and weak to fighting moves Erk 3609-1438-9794 (Wobbuffet, Duosion, Munna)
Erk 3609-1438-9794 (Wobbuffet, Duosion, Munna) Wed 23 Oct 2013 23:44:14 No. 15090307 Report >>15090182 >actual team diversity holy fucking shit, did you even play Gen I competitive?
Most centralized, undiversified, shit there ever was. You had 7 -- I'm not shitting -- 7 pokemon that were truly good and that was it. And almost everyone ran the same six teams, but it always came down to luck because of freeze, paralysis, and sleep.
Anonymous
>>15090143 >Breloom >Not running Toxic Heal u wot
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>>15090143 Chesnaught walls Ferrothorn better than him.
Breloom can't do shit against Ferrothorn at all
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>>15090138 Blaziken is actually a pretty debated thing and I consider the ban on it a mistake.
Anonymous
>>15088386 >like Scizor >not allowed to use a pokemon I like without being subjected to 10 billion keldeos and terrakions Anonymous
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>>15090182 That's not Smogons fault that no one wants to play outside of the best.
Even without Smogon given the technology we have now people would still create the best sets for individual Pokemon and run them in a similar manner.
You do know there were competitive Pokemon sites before Smogon right?
Nine to Five Hero !xPOSER9PtU
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>>15090285 >iron barb plus rocky helmet >dat bulk You've both got points.
Anonymous
What a bunch of assholes. Thanks, I have to play ubers just to use my favorite pokemon.
Anonymous
>>15090098 How many viable rapid spinners are there for all those entry hazards? 3?
Also Hitmontop and Breloom wouldn't get walled by ferrothorn.
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>>15090182 no there fucking wouldn't be any team diversity
everyone would use the pokemon who get them the most wins, like excadrill and tyranitar, kingdra and politoed, and speed boost blaziken
Anonymous
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>>15090138 While I do somewhat agree, I understand Smogon's logic. They didn't want to get into the habit of banning specific combinations and prefer to just ban one thing outright. Since Speed Boost as an ability wasn't broken, they just banned Blaziken.
Of course they did also ban Drizzle + Swift Swim, which is exactly that type of combination ban they were trying to avoid, but that did manage to keep so many more Pokemon viable than just banning rain outright would. It's tricky, and there's no good solution, but I do think they really are trying to have the metagame be open to as many Pokemon as possible, and I respect that.
Neegra 2406-6346-4023; Ground (Phanpy, Camerupt, Diggersby)
Neegra 2406-6346-4023; Ground (Phanpy, Camerupt, Diggersby) Wed 23 Oct 2013 23:45:49 No. 15090390 Report Quoted By:
>>15090312 >thinks it's still gen 4 Anonymous
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>>15090143 Ferro beats Breloom with Rocky Barbs, especially if Double Team is being added in here because Breloom doesn't get any good always-hit moves. And even if it did can you not see how centralising it would be to HAVE to carry an always-hit move just in case the opponent has a DT Ferro?
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>>15090325 ..And how is that a problem?
You like a Pokemon who is easily as good as Terrakion (easily better actually) and Keldeo, but you want to use him to shit on weaker mons?
Anonymous
>>15090182 Even without smogon, copy-paste teams would be rampant. You can't even begin to blame that on smogon, it's something that people will always do.
I can kind of see your point about the 5NU 1OU situation. I guess you could set up a match where you're allowed to bring x amount of out-of-tier mons, if you find someone willing.
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>>15090211 Defog might change things a bit, to be fair. Distribution shouldn't be a problem, since just about every flying type from Gen IV back gets it via HM. And now it can't be blocked by switching in a ghost.
Anonymous
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>>15090182 If there were no tiers people would just use ubers over and over again to win
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>>15090325 Or you could just use Scizor anyway and not listen to whatever a Smogon player tells you is the rules.
In friendly battles you can set any rules you fucking want.
You could ban any move you don't like or allow any pokemon. No one actually cares outside of tournaments where balance needs to be considered.
Anonymous
>ITT Karenfags trying to force people to play with their dogshit pokemon only they like because of aesthetic design reasons or some history they had while going through the story
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>>15090182 Tiers promote diversity.
Without them, everyone would be using Mewtwo and five other Ubers.
Tiers allow Pokemon that are outclassed to have an environment where they can stand a chance.
Anonymous
>>15090182 Have you even played online in Gen 6 yet? It's Mega Blaziken every single game. Tell me how that's diversity.
Nine to Five Hero !xPOSER9PtU
>>15090307 I play gen I competitive and I can confirm this. Everyone's first move the second a new Pokémon comes out is Thunder Wave. If not, it's Body Slam. Your only actual choices in this meta are "Exeggutor or Alakazam", "Would you like a Lapras?" and "Jolteon or Zapdos?" If you don't have Tauros you're fucked entirely.
For some reason I like it.
Anonymous
>>15090443 >playing Pokemon >doesn't care about the monster designs I'll never get this people
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>>15090426 There are matches played where you get 1 uber, 1 OU, 1 BL, 1 UU, 1 RU, and 1 NU/NFE.
Anonymous
>Evasion is legal >Pokemon with double team as a lead >Prankster with Taunt the opponent's lead >Taunt >No more double team
Anonymous
>>15090182 Do a random Online battle in-game with five to ten japs right now. In that unrestricted format there is LESS diversity in Pokemon battles than Smogon.
For fun, count how many Mewtwos, Mega Blazikens, Mega Gengars, Mega Lucarios, Yveltals, and Xerneas you find and report the results.
Anonymous
>>15090507 Don't forget Dragonite + Agility + Wrap
Anonymous
>>15090481 >WiFi Yeah all the 15 year olds are going to use MegaBlaziken and MegaLucario because they are cool and appeal to them, also they get free mega stones which is again appealing to younger players.
Nothing going on in WiFi battles at the moment has to do with Smogon because they haven't made any decisions yet about the meta.
Anonymous
Why is wanting to win a bad thing? Isn't that the point of battling?
Anonymous
>>15090379 Tentacruel, Starmie, Donphan, Hitmontop, Excadrill. Off the top of my head that's 5 VERY viable spinners. 3 was a push for viable Technicians with Scizor, Breloom and Ambipom.
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>>15090182 What is with this pipedream that without Smogon people wouldn't still pick the best Pokemon and run them with less restriction? The issue of diversity doesn't lie with Smogon or their tiers its the users who refuse to use anything else than "the guaranteed win"
Anonymous
>>15090558 >run a very specific counter to deal with one move every game >they can just switch out anyway >not difficult to circumvent Anonymous
>>15090558 >Running specific counters for just one move. Wow such meta
Anonymous
>>15090558 >Forcing everyone to have at least one pokemon with prankster on their team Anonymous
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>>15090138 >Ban Blaziken with Speed Boost and the Blaze Variant in OU >Suddenly everyone starts asking for random Ubers to be brought down with a specific ability Anonymous
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>>15090353 Or play in game and do random battles and not give a fuck. Who the fuck is forcing you to play by their rules? Are you being held at gunpoint when playing a video game?
Anonymous
>>15090443 >ITT Smogonfags would rather play with a number than a Pokemon Anonymous
Does F.E.A.R Rattata still work?
Nine to Five Hero !xPOSER9PtU
>>15090571 I don't actually see that very often, despite using it myself. I think it's mostly due to wrap not being 100%.
Still, gen 1 OU is the least diverse of all metagames. Except maybe unbalanced hackmons with (formerly) Wondertomb and (currently) Sturdy Shedinja.
Anonymous
Not entirely related to this karenfag vs smogonfag argument going on, but I have a question about the sleep clause.
Anonymous
>>15090562 That's because people are too lazy to make actual teams, they just use the ones from story. Given time it will change. I might even do rated and get a really low rating where people actually use different pokemon that aren't neccesarily the best.
Anonymous
>>15090578 Even after Smogon Wi-Fi would barely change. Besides the best part of random Wi-Fi is that you don't have to play by Smogons rules, people can run all the Double Team and Moody Bibarels they want but they still always end up coming here to bitch about Smogon ruining their fun.
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>>15090692 >ITT people who don't battle competitively Anonymous
>>15090558 >what is overcentralising? >>15090578 And that's my point. If someone doesn't create tiers all you're going to have is kids running Ubers.
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>>15090693 Aron does it better, but yes it's a working gimmick on lesser players.
Doesn't work in WiFi battles though.
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>>15090693 If they don't have sand/>hail sure. Anyone with half a mind would see through it though, and act accordingly.
Anonymous
>>15090558 >every team now has to carry one of >liepard >sableye >tornadus >whimsicott as a lead Riiiiiiiight.
Neegra 2406-6346-4023; Ground (Phanpy, Camerupt, Diggersby)
Neegra 2406-6346-4023; Ground (Phanpy, Camerupt, Diggersby) Wed 23 Oct 2013 23:53:30 No. 15090774 Report >>15090285 Low sweep is a 2hko vs standard ferrothorn. So yes, breloom can take care of a ferrothorn, but this conversation started from evasion and technician boosting the "always hit" moves. Tell me, what are you running on your breloom that always hits?
Anonymous
>>15088207 >>sand veil n snow cloak ruin muh team so u cant use it >>swift swim means dat nu pokemon r gud now so u cant use it but those are completely legal in ubers. There's nthing stopping you at all from using drizzle + swift swim in ubers, sand veil, or snow cloak. Smogon has an official game tailor made for people that want to use those things, so why are you complaining? There are people who want to play with those things, so they plays ubers, and there are people who dont so they play other tiers. Are you seriously upset that other people enjoy different things, that dont impede you from usng your own favourite things? Do you have autism?
Anonymous
>>15090774 >Low Sweep Good joke, nigger. It got boosted to 65 Base Power, it doesn't proc Technician anymore.
Anonymous
>>15090595 The point of battling is to have fun.
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>>15090718 >Wi-Fi under Smogon rules It has to play out because those are the mechanics of the game. So even with a previously agreed on Sleep Cause theres nothing wrong with it.
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>>15090718 that's just poor Showdown coding. The site's full of bad coding. Just try using !data with an imgur link. Zarel pls.
Erk 3609-1438-9794 (Wobbuffet, Duosion, Munna)
Erk 3609-1438-9794 (Wobbuffet, Duosion, Munna) Wed 23 Oct 2013 23:54:52 No. 15090848 Report Quoted By:
>>15090697 Yeah, I don't either. I also think it's due to the prevalence of Jynx as a lead and perhaps simply the fact that D-Nite is slow and needs a turn to set up.
Unbalance Hackmons is fun as hell, by the way.
Anonymous
>>15090182 It's not Smogon, it's the cancerous Smogonfags who don't like Pokemon.
It pisses me off that I'm not allowed to play with Wobbuffet in a tier under BL.
Anonymous
Have any of you people arguing for evasion ever heard the term "Negative Feedback Loop"?
Anonymous
>>15090831 Winning isn't fun?
Anonymous
>>15090602 Hitmontop can have both technician and spin so right there he has a spot on most teams. one for a higher damage spin and two to be able to use 100% accurate moves. Most teams seem to already have a combat for double team anyway. I don't see why it is still banned. Hell whoever is running double team will stop using the move after they get hit with the first swift/insert move in which case they just gave up a free hit.
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>>15090810 Because then the same players who want to use Drizzle/Sand Veil/Snow Cloak mons will then complain about getting shit on by Arceus which is hilarious when you think about it.
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>>15090718 >I know on showdown if you bounce back a sleep move when they already have something asleep, the sleep clause blocks it. Given that this is a simulator-only thing, what would happen in a wi-fi battle under smogon rules? If you switch in magic bounce and get a second thing to sleep, did you break the rule or not? the rules are very clear on this for wifi battles
http://www.smogon.com/bw/banlist/ Anonymous
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>>15090513 Just because I enjoy a design doesn't mean I have to be married to the damned pixels. Hell, I've loved Gengar's design since Gen 1 but his strengths is the reason why I still use him to this day. I love my Mismagius too but that doesn't mean I have to use it in battles all the time. Why force something that just isn't meant to be?
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>>15090718 False. If your own move is the source of the sleep, sleep clause will NOT take effect.
Anonymous
>>15090640 >>15090666 >>15090670 >>15090771 >not playing with Pranksters >not realizing that you'd only be "forced" to play with evasion counters for as long as it takes smogonfags to get butthurt and stop running evasion to go back to their teams of 6 keldeos Anonymous
>>15090741 Probably because you try to battle anyone over WiFi that isn't random and the first thing they will do is scream and cry about how you are violating some shitty Smogon rule.
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>>15090852 Why not just play in OU with your team then?
Anonymous
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Karenfags need to leave /vp/ forever and go back to their shitty /tr/ server on PO.
Anonymous
>>15090810 If Ubers are a banlist, can I use Double Team there?
Anonymous
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>>15091011 yup, double team is completely legal up in ubers.
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>>15090879 But Technician Hitmontop is shit. And it's not banned because it's broken or annoying like other people in here have said because that's wrong, it's banned because it's overcentralising. The more we argue about ways to counter evasion, the more it proves overcentralising. You need specific counters to it like Technician always-hit moves or Prankster Taunt (which you'd have to switch in with, allowing them to get a free boost off anyway) and other bullshit which can work in theory but in practice it rarely does.
Anonymous
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>>15090852 Well think of it this way
If they allowed someone to play with a team of shit pokemon, and one super good one, that player would have a huge advantage over everyone else. Thats unfair.
So they allow everyone to use overpowered shit in lower tiers, and now no one uses underpowered stuff anymore because it cant compete with everyone using overpowered stuff.
That is the entire reason for tiers. Some pokes just can't compete with others and need to have a tier for themselves. If you wanna use powerful shit play in a higher tier.
Erk 3609-1438-9794 (Wobbuffet, Duosion, Munna)
Erk 3609-1438-9794 (Wobbuffet, Duosion, Munna) Wed 23 Oct 2013 23:59:17 No. 15091084 Report Quoted By:
>>15091011 Yes, you actually can.
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>>15091053 >Needing Rapid Spin outside of teams that are heavily rock weak Anonymous
>>15091011 Yes, actually. Grab a Brightpower Sand Veil Gliscor with Double Team and go crazy.
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>>15090964 Like I said, there are four pokemon fully evolved pokemon that can have both prankster and taunt. None of them are in OU.
Anonymous
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>>15090964 ok, so you want the metagame to be a rock-paper-scissors match between Evasion Teams, Evasion Counter Teams, and Normal Teams?
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>>15090971 Which is when I tell them to shut the fuck up and just play Sleep and OHKO Clause
>mfw Sheer Cold >>15091053 You can play through Stealth Rocks though.
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>>15090964 Species clause stops you from using more than one of a Pokemon.
Neegra 2406-6346-4023; Ground (Phanpy, Camerupt, Diggersby)
Neegra 2406-6346-4023; Ground (Phanpy, Camerupt, Diggersby) Thu 24 Oct 2013 00:00:26 No. 15091154 Report >>15090811 Well holy shit, like I give a fuck. Mach punch is still about 90% chance to 2hko, and ferrothorn isn't doing much to a breloom while it's in anyways. What are you even trying to argue with me?
Anonymous
>>15091053 Rapid spin is something that more than 4 pokemon have.
Anonymous
>>15091074 God damn I love that article. As someone who plays fighting games competitively, I agree with the writer 100%.
Anonymous
>>15090863 No, winning isn't fun. If someone walks up to me on the street and tells me that I won, I didn't have fun.
Working to achieve victory is fun. The PROCESS THAT LEADS UP TO THE VICTORY is fun. Winning itself isn't fun if you don't have fun getting there.
Anonymous
>>15091053 >Stealth Rocks Are you running 5 Charizards or something? Shit nigga play through it if you know its coming.
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>>15090578 >Nothing going on in WiFi battles at the moment has to do with Smogon Which was pretty much that poster's point. With no restrictions, you'd still find the same Pokemon over and over again.
Anonymous
>>15091154 Why would you keep your Ferro in on Breloom anyway? Just switch to your Double Team Skarmory and set up with that instead.
Nine to Five Hero !xPOSER9PtU
>all these people using the word "overcentralising"
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>>15091194 I figured it was better to link than Sirlin's article seeing as how everyone has read it already despite all the scrubs on this board.
Anonymous
>>15090863 Not if you have to sacrifice everything you like to win.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15091253 The solution proposed to fix evasion boosts (prankster+taunt) is only doable with 4 fully evolved pokemon, none of which are anywhere above UU.
Anonymous
>>15091202 >"play through" a shitton of damage and toxic before I get to make a move Anonymous
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>>15091277 So just because you like using a team of 3 charizard and 3 jumpluff means other people do? Just play a lower tier, holy shit. They're there so your "bros" don't get shat on.
Anonymous
>>15091197 I enjoy winning through legit strategies which are well thought-out in a "balanced" and competitive environment. If I used my favourites I'd lose a lot more than I do now because they're just not good enough to battle in OU and I can accept that. If I want to use them I use them in their respective tiers because that's where they are good and where I can get the most enjoyment out of using them because they're not dead weight.
Anonymous
>>15091194 You agree that video games are not for fun, but for autists like you to make yourselves feel superior by beating others at childrens games? Meanwhile in the real world you are still a loser.
Well ok then.
Anonymous
>Karenfag incoming >Typhlosion >Granbull >Gyarados >Alakazam >Crobat (shiny!) >Sun-fucking-flora >tl;dr use your favorites and do the best with what you have, because that's really what it's all about.
Anonymous
I was under the impression that keen eye ignored evasion boosts as of gen 6. I know it at least works against snow cloak/sand veil.
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>>15091282 Not Prankster+Taunt though. And without prankster, then you just got outsped already, and might miss with taunt.
Neegra 2406-6346-4023; Ground (Phanpy, Camerupt, Diggersby)
Neegra 2406-6346-4023; Ground (Phanpy, Camerupt, Diggersby) Thu 24 Oct 2013 00:05:21 No. 15091411 Report Quoted By:
>>15091230 More or less the point I'm making...
Anonymous
>Pick your absolute favorite pokemon and find out what tier he is. >Build a viable team with it using pokemon you like of that tier or below. >Have fun
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>>15091395 >winning against fucking scrubs Wow, so good.
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>>15091423 >Picking just one from 700+ Nope.
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>>15091397 As far as I know, this just stops people from lowering your accuracy.
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>>15091338 What does rocks have to do with Toxic? Rocks isn't even that bad unless you're using a VoltTurn team and even then you make use of it more than your enemy.
Also, I'd like to point out that showdown has an OU (no Stealth Rock) tier. You guys should try playing it. Dragonite and Volcarona on every team is so much fun to deal with.
Anonymous
CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION
Anonymous
>>15091197 So if you didn't enjoy the ride to victory, then why do it in the 1st place?
Anonymous
>>15091385 >WAH ANYONE WHO TRIES TO BE GOOD AT SOMETHING IS AN AUTIST ;~; STOP BEING BETTER THAN MEEEE That's exactly what you and all your scrublord buddies sound like.
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>>15088624 >I can't into full stops Anonymous
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>>15091253 The counterplay is more interesting and more balanced than accuracy/evasion. By no means am I happy about sneaky pebbles limiting the pool of Pokemon but I understand the necessity of having a check on said pokemon.
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>>15091395 >These are all Pokémon I love, and I win 85% of all my OU battles with them, INCLUDING against people using pseudos, legendaries, HURR DERR MUH FOCUS SASH SPORE SHELL SMASH FUCKING SMEARGLE BATON PASS TO A WHITE HERB 'MON COMMENCE THE SWEEP. I don't think so, Tim.
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>>15091336 >none of which are anywhere above UU. They sure as fuck would be if evasion was legal.
Anonymous
>>15091513 >I copy-pasted my team from the OU bracket on Smogon >Jealous of my skills Kek
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>>15091277 Then why play at all? No one is forcing you to play by Smogon's rules.
Loser Anonymous
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>>15091253 Entry Hazards have rather shit distribution, most of the Pokemon that get it aren't that great.
Rapid Spin has fairly decent distribution thus can be ran as a counter.
However and this is what is important almost every Pokemon gets Double Team and with its consecutive use just adds the factor of luck. Having to run a team specifically to counter evasion means sacrificing a slot or two just to keep a Pokemon that can remove stat boosts or carries never miss moves.
Never Miss moves have poor distribution and have horrible BP, Technician does not help as Technician has horrible distribution so telling people to just run a Technician pokemon means again, shelfing some other Pokemon JUST to make use of shitty Never Miss moves and even then if that single Pokemon gets taken down you're fucked so you're only option is to have all your Pokemon carry both Double Team and Never Miss moves and then its a matter of who can get +6 evasion first while keeping their Pokemon alive.
That's all there is to it really.
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>>15091395 >implying anyone who uses smeargle isn't a fucking retard Anonymous
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>Use a generic OU team that everyone else is using >win 6 times and lose 4 times against some OU, some with not so OU teams >Some fulfillment >Use a personalized OU/UU team and be actually good >win 8 times and lose 2 times >More fulfillment over the team you made actually working great >Use a team with a massive gimmick, or even just one guy with a moveset that isn't always viable (reversal sweeper hitmonlee comes to mind) >lose 9 times but KEIKAKU DOORI the last battle >Massive fulfillment >Karenfag >win 1 time against someone with a generic OU team everyone uses >post on 4chan about how you stomped some smogonfag
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>>15091109 >Substitute/Toxic/EQ/Double team Gliscor with Toxic orb Jesus christ how horrifying.
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>>15091513 >Trying to be good at things meant for children and fun Have fun with your spreadsheets and calculations on whether your Pokemon can 1HKO. Maybe one day you will get a trophy or something that no one besides other autists will care about.
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You don't have to do what people tell you to
Anonymous
>>15091508 I don't try to win if I'm not going to enjoy the ride. What the fuck is the question?
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>>15091253 They don't guarantee a win, and you don't really need a specific counter to defeat teams that run entry hazards.
Anonymous
>>15091074 I play a certain MMO casually because that's what I consider enjoyable. Pitting my meager equipment against other players for challenge is fun. Losing is usually funny. Winning feels great. Grinding thousands of hours for gear ISN'T fun, and people who have such compulsive addictions are faggots.
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>>15091253 You are right, smogon just chose to shift from the evasion metagame to the weather/SR metagame.
But rejoice! Roar is now always accurate, safety goggles immunize against weather damage and powder moves, and the weather abilities have been nerfed a lot in gen 6!
Anonymous
>>15090879 >>15091067 While I'm perfectly okay with DT being banned, I would be curious to see what the metagame would look like if it was allowed. I'm actually not convinced it would be as overcentralizing as many people think, just because it does take a couple of DTs for the effect to really to take place and it may not be worth the wasted turns. It very would m ightovercentralize, but I'd just be curious to see how it shakes out rather than theorymoning.
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>>15091576 It's almost as if people use them because they're actually good.
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>>15091576 >Has no real argument >resorts to posting LE EPIC MEME XD You can stop posting now.
Anonymous
>>15091505 Everyone wants to run Double Team because Smogon banned evasion moves.
I really doubt anyone here seriously encorporates Double Team on any of their sets on WiFi
Anonymous
>>15091355 Congratulations faggot, not everyone enjoys copy+pasting someone else's strategies. I don't know what your point is.
Anonymous
>>15091336 >Implying Mega Banette isn't good If it can get it's mega evolve off, it is pretty mean. Phantom Force/Sucker Punch/Priority Destiny Bond/ and either Priority Taunt or Thunder wave is pretty mean
and then there is thundurus-T
Anonymous
>>15088207 And you sound like that kid who the other kids wouldn't let into their club, so now you're talking trash about how lame their club is.
Anonymous
What do you all mean by "banned"?
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>>15091654 Fun is subjective not objective. Stop forcing your own ideas of what Fun is onto others.
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>>15091752 So it's just to be contrarian?
Why not just run Spinda? He gets Contrary.
Anonymous
>>15091644 Then don't play at all if you don't want to win, How does that even make sense?
Anonymous
>>15091675 You know that some forms of evasion are still legal, right? Acupressure being the big thing. There is nothing worse than sitting there and watching an opponent boost up to unreal levels through Acupressure because they were LUCKY enough to get a +2 evasion boost on the first turn using it and from then on became unkillable.
Anonymous
>>15091787 Thunderus doesn't get prankster. I don't know about Mega Banette, though.
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>>15090726 No. They use them because they are all insanely good no effort involved pokemon.
Anonymous
>>15091789 >spreadsheeting and watching videos for cookie-cutter teams Such a sekrit club.
Anonymous
>>15091812 http://www.smogon.com/bw/banlist/ Your first reaction is going to be something along the lines of
>Who would ever be this autistic But in all fairness most of these rules make sense.
Nine to Five Hero !xPOSER9PtU
Anonymous
>>15091862 >Thunderus doesn't get prankster. doesn't he?
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>>15091862 >thundurus doesn't get prankster But he does. I use him as an offensive support on my ubers team. Bitches love twave + taunt.
Also, stop replying to spreadsheet guy. He's a fucking troll jesus christ you people are dense.
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>>15091862 Always get the weather trio mixed up, I know one of those assholes has prankster in therian forme though.
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>>15091896 >>15091901 Ok, but why follow these rules?
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>>15091752 I am one who used to run Minimize Chandelure into wi-fi
It isn't fun.
11 out of 10 players ragequit once I use Minimize Anonymous
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>>15091759 I've never "copy-pasted" a team in my life. I make my own teams based on my knowledge of the metagame. I wouldn't call my self a Smogon fanboy or even a regular as my Smogon account has 2 posts on it - both in the Other Metas section - and I only go on the site to see usage stats and use the damage calculator. I use my own (viable) strategies and win and that is more fulfilling to me than using weaker mons which I like more for their aesthetic. My favourite Pokemon is Venemoth and it broke my heart when it was added to BL2 and I've only used it once since (as part of a QD pass set with special LO Nidoking in UU) and it just wasn't good enough to compete so I stopped. Playing online against other people is competitive and you need to be willing to compete.
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>>15090852 >It pisses me off that I'm not allowed to play with Wobbuffet in a tier under BL. I kinda get that. I'm kinda mad that I'm kicked upstairs to OU, just because I want to use a starmie, where the rest of my team is near useless because they're outclassed by everything.
Anonymous
>>15091987 you don't need to, but they're enforced in simulators
Anonymous
>>15091820 I do want to win, I'm just not going to subject myself to a method that I don't enjoy to do it.
You're the most autistic person I've ever encountered in my life.
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>>15091862 You are responding to a troll who's next line is probably going to be
>lol smogonfags cant retort my arguments look at how mad they r Nine to Five Hero !xPOSER9PtU
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>>15091987 Because, as the other poster said, most of them make sense. You don't have to if you don't want to.
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>>15091987 Literally zero people are forcing you to.
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>>15091987 You literally do not have to follow these rules if you don't play on Pokemon Showdown.
Seriously, nothing is stopping you from breaking all these rules amongst your friends or over WiFi.
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>>15092027 No they're not. Ubers doesn't enforce it and there are specific tiers without these rules. You can also join a custom server on Showdown if you want to play by a different tier list than what Smogon and Showdown usually provide. They are only enforced if you are close-minded.
Anonymous
>Battle against some random guy >He reeks of Smogon >Leads with Ferrothorn >Can already smell the tears >Use double team >He uses stealth rocks >I can feel the rage emanating over the internet >Use double team >He uses leech seed >It misses >Use double team >He uses thunder wave >It misses >His rage at this point has manifested itself in my 3ds, it's almost too hot to hold >He desperately switches out to his precious garchomp >He uses outrage >It misses >I use mind reader >He goes for another outrage >It misses again >Sheer cold >Proceed to do this for the next 4 pokemon
Anonymous
>>15092027 Simulators?
Sorry I am completely new to all this. Why don't you just play matches against people outside of this autism fest?
Anonymous
>>15091987 The rules are there for those who want to play by them.
It's like playing Street Basketball with all the rough and tough shit going on you can't call fouls and have to take it like a man.
Smogon is like the WNBA of Pokemon.
Hell a better anology would be American Soccer vs Street Football(soccer) with a bunch of kids who dont care if they break your ankle with a tackle.
Anonymous
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>>15092202 >>15092196 Its always nice to see the fun sucked out of a video game by tourneyfags
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>>15092034 So you gonna use a team/strategy that fails more than winning?
Sure, sounds like a plan. And I'm the autist
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>>15092125 Some people want to play with these rules and some don't.
For some reason, these people think Smogon must be nintendo run and wifi must follow these rules. If you don't want to play with them, just don't fucking play with them.
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>>15092120 That just sounds really irritating. If you just want to make people upset, that means you're hardly a good person.
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>>15092252 But competitive battling is fun
In my opinion Anonymous
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>>15092252 Fun is subjective.
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>>15092120 If this is real, then YOU are the reason Evasion is banned.
Nine to Five Hero !xPOSER9PtU
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>>15092125 play.pokemonshowdown.com and Pokémon Online are the most popular ones. Give them a try sometime, Showdown is in-broswer.
>Why don't you just play matches against people outside of this autism fest? You can! It's entirely up to you! You can even use the simulator if you want! Which is the real reason people eat the anti-Smogon bait so often; because it's a completely ridiculous thing to complain about. Not because anyone's outraged that they insulted MUH PRECIOUS CLAUSES.
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>>15091822 Oh yeah, I know. And like I said, I'm not a big fan of DT and am perfectly fine seeing it banned. I just don't actually expect that if it was banned that it would really dominate the metagame or be that prevalent.
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>>15092252 You don't HAVE to play with these rules, you don't have to play the simulators, let them sit in their pot who cares what they think of your favorite 'mon?
Anonymous
>>15090666 So when Smogon won't ban Sneaky Stones because "it's not broken to need one move to counter another", it's autism
When you do it, it's brilliance?
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>>15092125 Because some people still like the competitive aspect of Pokemon but dont want/ cant afford the games.
Seriously, as said before no one is holding you at gunpoint to play by these rules if you are not on their specific servers.
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I never understood the mentality of. OH MY GOD FUCK SMOGON THEY SAID MY BRO WAS NU.
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>>15091892 It's not a secret club, no one was saying that. Your response only further illustrates my point.
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>>15090176 I'd chose 6 of the strongest OU... who have also learned double team.
Since every Pokemon who can use TMs can use double team.
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>>15092389 Hidden hornfels alone won't win a match. Evasion very much can.
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>>15090858 This is why Evasion increases are banned. Listen to this man.
Likewise, Swift Swim is banned because Politoed leads and then boom you just doubled the speed of everything with Swift Swim with 0 moves.
Sweepers would KILL for a free Agility with no move slot for it.
It'll likely be unbanned in X and Y, what with the change to weather entry.
Anonymous
>>15092196 Right, because the NBA has no rules. Throw in that W, talk about "taking it like a man," engender boorishness and civility. What a helpful explanation.
Anonymous
>>15092252 >Fun >Everything banned is usually banned to allow people to actually have fun instead of forcing them to keep a counter for one particular pokemon/move at all times 1/10, made me reply
Anonymous
WHO THE FUCK IS FORCING ALL THESE FILTHY CASUALS TO PLAY BY SMOGON'S RULES
Anonymous
>>15092568 No one, and that's the worst part. They are complaining about something that they don't know.
Anonymous
>>15092568 No one. They don't even interact with people using smogon rulesets and still get butthurt about rules that has nothing to do with them that they don't even understand.
Anonymous
What if learning moves by TM/HM was banned?
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>>15092561 Why did you fucking respond?
Anonymous
>>15092621 >>15092622 THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING "FORCED" TO PLAY BY ONE COMMUNITY'S RULES
THIS IS BEYOND ALL SORTS OF STUPID PREVIOUSLY IMAGINED
Nine to Five Hero !xPOSER9PtU
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>>15092679 Everyone would be Flareon.
a lot of Pokés would be Flareon Anonymous
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>>15091752 You are right, double team isn't worth a lot, really. You can occasionnally encounter some trolling faggot with a minimize wall or combo liepard, but pretty much any good singles team will have a counter for those two. Then the opponent has pretty much lost the match, because 1 pokemon slot is much more important than it is in OU since you get to choose only 3 among 6.
Choice scarfed abomasnow with sheer cold is a pain in the ass, though.
Anonymous
>>15092568 It is mostly people getting butthurt over wanting to use either moves/sets that are broken, or MUH LEGENDARIES.
Do I use smogon as a baseline to start a build from? Yes, I do, and I will admit it entirely. It's a good place to start from and then build around. I more so find it funny seeing people go cookie cutter builds and then failing miserably because they don't understand it though.
Anonymous
Question: Why do all guts sets run toxic orb instead of flame orb, if guts negates burn's stat drops?
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My only beef with Smogon is the bullshit Snow Cloak ban in Gen V. Hail's really fun to play but it still needs all the help it can get.
Anonymous
>>15089470 ... But Smogonfags do
Anonymous
>>15092810 Burn cuts your attack stat by half bro
Anonymous
>>15092810 Toxic Orb does less damage to you if you don't plan on keeping the guts user in for more than a couple of turns.
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>>15092555 I said WNBA because its no where near as popular as the regular NBA, I don't quite understand what you're nitpicking at.
If you're implying this has anything to do with actual genders and sexism then you need to shut the fuck up, stop browsing tumblr and learn to take things at face value.
Anonymous
>>15092568 >>15092728 I don't get it either.
Fuck, I don't particularly care for the whole deal myself, I just play on random wifi and not give a fuck.
Smogon is good for movesets on pretty much every fully evolved pokemon, if I need some inspiration, I will look up that mon, see what they recommend it can do, and build accordingly.
Anonymous
>>15092810 You must be in for four turns for toxic orb damage to start hurting more than flame orb, and if you're in for two or less it does less damage.
Anonymous
>>15092810 Because if you're in less than 3 turns at a time, you take less damage.
with toxic:
1: Half burn damage (.5 total)
2: Equal to burn (1.5 total)
3: 1.5x burn damage (3 total)
Anonymous
>>15092728 Because they feel like they have the "right" to do so.
It's one thing to complain about something you don't do, It's a whole new level of dumbness when you do it without any knowledge. Casuals are this dumb.
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>>15092834 Nobody is forcing you to play smogonfags
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>>15092843 Guts negates without boosting.
>>15092856 >>15092861 >>15092846 Oh, that makes sense. I thought they all started at 12-13%.
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>>15092834 But that's wrong, you fucking retard.
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>>15092834 WHO THE FUCK IS FORCING YOU TO PLAY WITH "SMOGONFAGS"???
SERIOUSLY, GIVE ME SOME NAMES OF PEOPLE OR ORGANIZATIONS WHO HAVE YOUR FAMILY KIDNAPPED UNLESS YOU PLAY WITH THEM
>>15092780 >>15092850 THEN WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE BEING FORCED TO PLAY WITH AN ONLINE COMMUNITY????
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>>15092834 Tell me how they force you to play by their rules? Tell me how they have some kind of stranglehold on wifi and every simulator that forces you to play what they want.
Anonymous
>>15088565 >swift swim is banned becuz 2 powrfull >sunny day and chlorophyll iz kewl tho becuz it lets me win lol Anonymous
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I only use smogon for ideas on how to build a team, I don't bother playing by their rules, I only ever play online Pokemon with my favorites, I couldn't care less about tiers and shit.
Anonymous
>>15092894 It's not all casuals, just the vocal ones or the ones that think they have any reason to discuss competitive issues.
Anonymous
>>15093051 Rain is a LOT stronger than Sun and if you think otherwise you shouldn't be arguing this.
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I go to Smogon for ideas on EV training, but pretty much play the rest by ear. Otherwise it just kind of sucks the fun out of everything, like any competitive scene does to a game.
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>>15093051 Don't be stupid.
Look at the amount of Pokemon that get Chlorophyll and count it against Swift Swim, then add in the fact that Bright Sunlight increases Fire Damage.
Chlorophyll is a fuckign double edged sword if you get walled by something like Heatran. On the other hand the only thing Swift Swim users have to worry about is Thunder.
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>>15088207 >butt blasted Charizard detected. Anonymous
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>>15093118 To elaborate on this, just one of the issues is that Swift Swim users get 2.25x damage on their primary attacks thanks to STAB and Rain boost. Chlorophyll users only get STAB, instant Solarbeam(for the ones that even use it at all), and extra fire weakness.
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>>15092561 You have to remember that if something isn't fun for you it's going to be equally more fun for the other person.
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>people actually take issue with a community trying to sort out a balancing mess like Pokemon
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>>15088871 muh slippery slope
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>>15093093 Yeah you're right, but they like to think they are speaking for the rest.
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I really don't care about Smogon's shit standards. I actually like smogon, because it adds even more rage and tears when I beat some copy-paste "GOTTA WIN LOL" faggot
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>>15093316 Too bad you rarely do.
Any actual Smogon player plays on simulators, not WiFi, people who try to enforce Smogon rules on WiFi are just as retarded as the rest of the trash on there.
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>>15093316 Most people who play Smogon rules play from Competitive Pokemon General, Wi-Fi General or on Simulators.
You might see a few copy-pasted teams here and there but the majority dont even play random Wi-Fi.
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>>15093612 I'm a regular in /cpg/ and I don't think I've ever seen a "copy-paste" team posted in there and knowing most of the guys that spend a lot of time in our Showdown chat I can say none of them are how a lot of "Karenfags" make them out to be.
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>Rain+Swift Swim >most SS pokes are water type >high-powered stabs >120 BP hydropump x 1.5 x 1.5 AND sanic speed >Sun+Chloro >only on grass types, fire weakness is even worse >lol no stab >lol grass >lol no high-powered grass STAB without drawbacks
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>>15093494 >>15093612 >yfw i was talking about the sims This is what denial looks like, people
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>>15093774 How would anybody know what you're talking about if you dont specify? I'm confused, is this a joke or something?
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>>15093818 Why would people automatically assume otherwise though? There was no mention of the format.
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>>15092568 >>15092621 >>15092622 >>15092728 >>15092894 It's funny, because the exact same thing applies to smogonfags knowing nothing about competitive wifi battle formats and still complaining about double team/spore.
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>>15093855 The real tragedy here is that relatively very few people play outside of singles.
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>>15093855 But smogonfags don't even play on wifi, they play on showdown. And the few that do play with other smogonfags that agree to the rules.
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>>15093844 Honestly it could have gone either way, though good job on murking those faggot kids who just copy paste Scizor, Keldeo, Heatran, etc.
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>>15093967 I'm not even that guy. Anonymous
As always, these threads show how shit smogon is. The smogonfags just cannot help themselves. I think it's physically impossible for them.
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>>15094140 As always people come into threads and shitpost and troll.
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>>15094140 You're a little l8 to be throwin b8 m8.
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>>15094140 Just like the Karenfags to complain about shit they don't know right?
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I wish Megazard wasn't still shit but that's not smogon's fault.
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>>15093919 Yes, unfortunately, and on that note, it's a shame that only japanese people seem to have interesting information resources when it comes to things like global showdown format or triple battles. I guess having pokemon centers and competitions all over the country give them a huge advantage.
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>>15094484 Have you checked out Nugget Bridge? Seems like they're a little slow on getting set up for XY, but they were pretty good for Gen 5 doubles.
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>>15094599 Yes, I check up on them from time to time. They sure are slow for now, but I guess they just let smogon do the research work for them while they all concentrate on breeding/training. The japs are so fast, though, I remember that when the game was out for 4 days or so, some japanese guy traded me a perfect charmander for my feshly caught rotom. I wouldn't be surprised if nugget bridge's article on fast EV training is actually a literal translation of this video:
www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm22071923
