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Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:25:55 No.15104228 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>15104585 >>15105136 >>15105878 >>15106266 >>15106298 >>15106935 >>15108820 >>15108963 >>15115881 >>15115905

>Aegislash
>Swords Dance
>Spam Shadow Sneak
Congrats, you won. Such strategy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:26:26 No.15104253 Report

Quoted By: >>15104449 >>15104459 >>15104839

Yeah, use your speed boost blaziken to counter it you fucking faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:30:54 No.15104449 Report

Quoted By: >>15108820

>>15104253
King's Shield.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:30:59 No.15104454 Report

Quoted By: >>15104517 >>15104652

Diggersby says hi.

>Speed advantage
>Immune to ghost type
>STAB Earthquake

All the king's horses and all of the king's men couldn't put Aegislash back together again

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:31:00 No.15104459 Report

Quoted By: >>15119012

>>15104253
>implying I didn't box the torchic immediately

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:31:45 No.15104491 Report

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>sassy mother

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:32:20 No.15104517 Report

Quoted By: >>15104563

>>15104454
>Bulk it
>Sacred Sword
Oh no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:33:25 No.15104563 Report

Quoted By: >>15104594 >>15104892

>>15104517

You outspeed it always so unless you switch into a Sacred Sword, guess who's dyiing?

Celso - 3797-6635-0525 Rock: Dwebble, Onix, Barbaracle

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Celso - 3797-6635-0525 Rock: Dwebble, Onix, Barbaracle Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:34:09 No.15104585 Report

Quoted By: >>15104789 >>15112909 >>15118641

>>15104228
Doesn't the new ghost 'dig' crap on him? There was a thread about battles videos earlier that displayed a Mega Banette trashing one yesterday.
>Link to the match below
RQNW-WWWW-WWWX-PRSA

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:34:21 No.15104594 Report

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>>15104563
Diggersby, unless you fucked up your Aegislash.

Ricky (0146-9237-1094)

Ricky (0146-9237-1094) Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:35:26 No.15104652 Report

Quoted By: >>15104746

>>15104454
I had no idea that Diggersby got Huge Power. So, it effectively has 112 Attack? Jesus Christ that bulk and speed it as. I'm gonna have a lot of fun in RU/NU/UU this Gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:37:36 No.15104746 Report

Quoted By: >>15104881

>>15104652

It doubles the attack you have, not doubles base attack

Tsplodey 1375-7621-3431 Drowzee Xatu Wobbuffet

Tsplodey 1375-7621-3431 Drowzee Xatu Wobbuffet Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:38:44 No.15104789 Report

Quoted By: >>15104809 >>15106277

>>15104585
Unless I somehow stroked out and missed it I don't remember Phantom Force or w/e it is even landing on the same turn as the Aegislash used King's Shield.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:39:29 No.15104809 Report

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>>15104789
Phantom Force ignores kings shield

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:40:01 No.15104839 Report

Quoted By: >>15105734 >>15106653

>>15104253

Aegislash
@ Leftovers
Brave
-Shadow Sneak
-Iron Head
-Swords Dance
-Kings Shield

>Aegislash used King's Shield
>Blaziken used Flare Blitz!
>Aegislash protected itself!
>Blaziken's Attack harshly fell!
>Blaziken's speed sharply rose from Speed Boost!
>Blaziken used Flare Blitz!
>It's Super Effective!
>Aegislash used Swords Dance!
>Aegislash's attack sharply rose!
>Aegislash restored HP with its Leftovers!
>Aegislash used King's Shield
>Blaziken used Flare Blitz or some other shitty move!
>Aegislash protected itself!
>Blaziken's attack harshly fell!
>Aegislash restored HP with its Leftovers!
>Blaziken's speed rose sharply from Speed Boost!
>Blaziken uses another attack because who gives a shit?
>It's Super Effective!
>Aegislash gives no fucks and uses Swords Dance!
>Aegislash's attack sharply rose!
>Aegislash restored HP with its Leftovers!
>Blaziken's speed rose sharply from Speed Boost!
>Aegislash changed stances!
>Aegislash used Shadow Sneak!
>Blaziken Fainted!
>What a fucking surprise

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:41:00 No.15104881 Report

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>>15104746
Diggersby has say 100 attack and is using EQ, a 100 power move. Would Huge Power double the actual attack stat or double the attack of the move. Either way, it still wrecks shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:41:02 No.15104882 Report

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>what is sucker punch
>what is normal type

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:41:16 No.15104891 Report

Quoted By: >>15104920

Diggersby is the pro Aegislash counter. People just don't know this (or are in denial of) because they never use Diggersby, writing it off as stupid. That or they're faggots who refuse to accept that a powerful Pokémon has counters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:41:21 No.15104892 Report

Quoted By: >>15113128

>>15104563
>what is shield mode
What you really need to do is cripple aegislash with status or taunt. Thank GameFreak that King's Shield doesn't guard against status moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:41:49 No.15104913 Report

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le neoscizor face

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:41:59 No.15104920 Report

Quoted By: >>15104943 >>15104972 >>15105030

>>15104891
How can I get a Diggersby with Huge Power?

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Celso - 3797-6635-0525 Rock: Dwebble, Onix, Barbaracle Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:42:36 No.15104943 Report

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>>15104920
Safari.

Magcarbro 3695-0579-1062

Magcarbro 3695-0579-1062 Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:43:14 No.15104972 Report

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>>15104920
Probably through friend safari. Tell me if ya get one cause Diggersby is my favorite rodent and I actually wouldent mind using one online

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:44:45 No.15105026 Report

Quoted By: >>15105052 >>15105916

Aegisslash is SO overrated

Even 4+ Shadow Sneak doesn't OHKO Clawizter with some defensive investment.

Dark Pulse while they SD in Defense mode
If they attack, then Dark Pulse again to KO
If they SD again, Dark Pulse will still KO them

Or just use Talonflame who will just swords dance/bulk up the first turn when they spam King Shield like a idiot and then OHKO them

Or just do the same thing above with any Pokemon with a set up move that has a SE

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:44:58 No.15105030 Report

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>>15104920

Besides the Safari you could check the GTS, but be cautious and don't expect anything. I got lucky and found one with a hidden ability comment. Had to get an Aerodactyl and get it to level 31 though, glad no one took it while I was training.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:45:29 No.15105052 Report

Quoted By: >>15105089 >>15105115 >>15105356

>>15105026
>Clawitzer
>Good

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:45:39 No.15105057 Report

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>niggersby

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:46:04 No.15105078 Report

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Hippowdown walls it and spams EQ until it dies.

Foul Play off anything destroys it.

Will-o-wisp goes through King's Shield.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:46:20 No.15105089 Report

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>>15105052
>Clawitzer
>Not good

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:46:56 No.15105115 Report

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>>15105052
>respectable bulk
>130 base special attack
Yeah this is shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:47:24 No.15105136 Report

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>>15104228
>Confuse it
>Watch it go into blade mode
>Watch it hit itself with it's high and attack and pitiful defense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:48:06 No.15105154 Report

Quoted By: >>15105236

>Normal types

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:50:34 No.15105236 Report

Quoted By: >>15105305

>>15105154
With the amount of people using aegislash and gengar now, it could be useful to have a normal type

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:50:37 No.15105241 Report

Quoted By: >>15105288 >>15105299 >>15105302 >>15105397

I can't decide a movepool for noivern! Any help minimizing my choices /vp/? I have:
U-Turn
Dragon pulse
Super Fang
Boomburst
Roost
Flamethrower

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:51:53 No.15105288 Report

Quoted By: >>15105381

>>15105241
Box it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:52:20 No.15105299 Report

Quoted By: >>15105381

>>15105241
u turn
draco meteor
boomburst / dark pulse
flamethrower

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:52:27 No.15105302 Report

Quoted By: >>15105381 >>15111954

>>15105241
Special Sweeper:
Draco Meteor
Boomburst
Hurricane
Flamethrower/Focus Blast

Slap a Choice Specs on the fucker and tear bitches a new asshole. You're welcome.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:52:43 No.15105305 Report

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>>15105236

>Implying Gengar and Aegislash only know Ghost-type moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:54:19 No.15105356 Report

Quoted By: >>15105402

>>15105052
>Decent Bulk
>130 Sp. Attack
>Ability powers up Aura Sphere, Water Pulse, Dark Pulse and Dragon Pulse all of which he gets
>This allows for coverage against Steel, Rock, Dark, Ghost, Fire, Dragon, Psychic, Ice, Ground, and Normal
>Bad

Zachary 1821-9410-5479

Zachary 1821-9410-5479 Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:54:30 No.15105364 Report

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If Aegislash is against a Physical Attacker and it is in Blade Forme it is either going to use King's Shield or Swords Dance.

Adjust your strategy accordingly
Git gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:54:51 No.15105381 Report

Quoted By: >>15105538

>>15105288
el oh el

>>15105299
>>15105302
Is Draco Meteor worth it? That accuracy is not 100 percent. I thought it was just a gimmicky move?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:55:15 No.15105397 Report

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>>15105241
Draco Meteor
Boom Burst
Flamethrower
U-Turn

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:55:28 No.15105402 Report

Quoted By: >>15115828

>>15105356
>yfw dragons

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:56:20 No.15105428 Report

Quoted By: >>15105546 >>15105563 >>15105570 >>15105635

Tyranitar, Heatran, Gliscor, Landorus-T, Keldeo, Skarmory, Hippowdon, Togekiss, Malamar, Diggersby and anything with Intimidate can all check Aegislash at worst or counter him outright.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 04:59:36 No.15105538 Report

Quoted By: >>15105600

>>15105381
It's not a gimmick when Noivern gets stab, effectively boosting the BP to 210, the 90 accuracy doesn't even matter. Imagine that with Choice Specs on a Modest 252 Sp. Att Noivern.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:00:04 No.15105546 Report

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>>15105428
And anything with Taunt

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:00:40 No.15105563 Report

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>>15105428
Torment could fuck with it too right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:00:52 No.15105570 Report

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>>15105428
Don't forget Garchomp

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:01:56 No.15105600 Report

Quoted By: >>15105640

>>15105538
I got a jolly nature noivern. Did I goof or is that fine too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:02:52 No.15105633 Report

Quoted By: >>15105898 >>15112847 >>15113296

>See enemy Aegislash
>Throw out Mawile
>Don't even have to Mega form if you don't want to
>Spam Sucker Punch til opponent either switches out or lets their Aegislash die
They can Swords Dance all they want, aint gonna mean shit if you are gonna get suckerpunched to submission before you get to use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:02:55 No.15105635 Report

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>>15105428
He can't do shit to Bulkarona

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:03:02 No.15105640 Report

Quoted By: >>15105815

>>15105600
Oh wait Jolly decreases special attack. Fuck my life looks like I am hatching more eggs tomorrow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:06:11 No.15105734 Report

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>>15104839
Why is Blaziken not running swords at all?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:08:49 No.15105815 Report

Quoted By: >>15105927

>>15105640
Jolly is a shit. Go for Timid or Modest. EV it in Sp. Att and Speed, nothing else. I have one and I absolutely love the way it plays.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:10:49 No.15105878 Report

Quoted By: >>15106446 >>15111569

>>15104228
>Aegislash used King's Shield
>Delphx used Psychic
>Aegislash protected itself
>Delphox used Embar
>It's supper effective!
>Aegiburn fainted.

And that's how I won my competitive battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:11:08 No.15105898 Report

Quoted By: >>15105971

>>15105633

>Then you run out of Sucker Punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:11:37 No.15105916 Report

Quoted By: >>15105967 >>15106039

>>15105026

Any smart trainer wouldn't keep an Aegislash in against a bulky special attacker.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:12:00 No.15105927 Report

Quoted By: >>15106007 >>15106395

>>15105815
Yeah I might go Timid. Thanks a lot for your help anon!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:13:15 No.15105967 Report

Quoted By: >>15105980

>>15105916
Anyone know if Goodra can learn Flamethrower?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:13:29 No.15105971 Report

Quoted By: >>15106350

>>15105898
I have yet to see someone stall with King's Shield/Swords Dance long enough to make the PP on Sucker Punch run out even if it's only 8PP.
Besides you can always use an actual attack on the turns they won't King's Shield.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:13:37 No.15105980 Report

Quoted By: >>15106053

>>15105967
It can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:14:40 No.15106007 Report

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>>15105927
You're welcome based-anon!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:15:36 No.15106039 Report

Quoted By: >>15107300

>>15105916
That's the thing, no one who uses Aegislash is smart because they bought into the hype.

Same with Greninja, its literally all hype, Greninja will be Mid-UU nothing more

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:15:52 No.15106053 Report

Quoted By: >>15106175

>>15105980
Sweet. Now I just have to wait until the TM lady in Anistar will give it up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:19:29 No.15106175 Report

Quoted By: >>15106221

>>15106053

Goodra doesn't have high enough special attack to be a large threat. If I had a good amount of health left on my Aegislash and I had a swords dance boost, I would try to one shot that goodra.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:20:51 No.15106216 Report

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mfw taunt

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:21:05 No.15106221 Report

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>>15106175
Maybe confuse the aegislash and flamethrower it until it dies/ trainer switches it out? Should be easy, because first turn they will swords dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:21:51 No.15106243 Report

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What EVs are preferred on Brave Aegislash? Hp and Attack?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:22:32 No.15106266 Report

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>>15104228
Spc. Def. and Speed

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:22:32 No.15106267 Report

Quoted By: >>15106301 >>15106319 >>15106359 >>15106389

Adamant with full evs in HP and Attack.

Is this a solid move set or should I rethink it a bit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:22:50 No.15106277 Report

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>>15104789
Phantom Force ignores any Protect derivative.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:23:38 No.15106298 Report

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>>15104228
>Mega Banette uses thunder wave
>Mega Banette uses Phantom ore!
>Aegisslash ues King's Shield!
>Phantom force OHKO's Aegislash

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:23:41 No.15106301 Report

Quoted By: >>15106325

>>15106267
It's the same moveset every Aegislash will be running.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:24:01 No.15106311 Report

Quoted By: >>15106389

How is the stat change calculated when aegislash switches stances?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:24:22 No.15106319 Report

Quoted By: >>15106492

>>15106267
Whats in that Master Ball? I need to know

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:24:31 No.15106325 Report

Quoted By: >>15106389

>>15106301
Flash Cannon, Automize and Shadow Ball are becoming popular nowadays

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:25:20 No.15106350 Report

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>>15105971
>shield mode
You literally just have to stall for 8 turns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:25:32 No.15106359 Report

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>>15106267
Its predictable, use one move no one will expect I guess

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:26:16 No.15106389 Report

Quoted By: >>15106407 >>15106433

>>15106267
>>15106311
I heard Iron Defense in shield forme will turn the accumulated defense into attack, is this true or not?

>>15106325
>wanting Aegislash to be faster then anything

Guy: 4785 4221 0610

Guy: 4785 4221 0610 Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:26:26 No.15106395 Report

Quoted By: >>15118883

>>15105927
Are you still here? I can give you a spare 4 iv timid infiltrator noibat if you want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:26:52 No.15106407 Report

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>>15106389
>using Shield Stance

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:27:53 No.15106433 Report

Quoted By: >>15106479

>>15106389
Not true, stat boosts are tied to the stat only. That's why Swords Dance doesn't crank up it's defenses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:28:16 No.15106446 Report

Quoted By: >>15106551

>>15105878
This is a terrible example, as Shadow Sneak is a priority move that would OHKO Delphox had the opponent been using it in his moveset.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:29:11 No.15106479 Report

Quoted By: >>15106500

>>15106433
so if I have shit ivs on special attack and max ivs on special defense, its special defense won't be shit and special attack high when it changes stance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:29:34 No.15106492 Report

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>>15106319
M is for Mewtwo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:29:51 No.15106500 Report

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>>15106479
Nope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:31:26 No.15106551 Report

Quoted By: >>15106676

>>15106446
Seeing how a turn was wasted using King Shield, I see it as a perfect example on how to kill the hype.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:34:53 No.15106653 Report

Quoted By: >>15106684 >>15106727 >>15106805 >>15106978 >>15107343

>>15104839
In your scenario Aegislash would fucking die because of its abysmal HP, but anyway.

>Aegislash used King's shield!
>Blaziken used Swords Dance
>Blaziken's speed sharply rose from Speed Boost!
>Aegislash used King's Shield!
>Blaziken used Swords Dance!
>Blaziken's speed sharply rose from Speed Boost!
>Aegislash used Swords Dance!
>Blaziken used Flare Blitz!
>Aegislash fucking died, along with the rest of the team!

King's shield is shit, tanking hits in shield forme is stupid because of low HP. The standard set will be an autonomize sweeper. Screencap this so you know that I'm right two months from now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:35:40 No.15106676 Report

Quoted By: >>15107300

>>15106551
Except no one good would use kings shield first turn on a delphox if they had shadow sneak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:35:58 No.15106684 Report

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>>15106653
>implying anyone but you will screencap your post
>implying anyone cares

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:37:31 No.15106727 Report

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>>15106653
1. Don't lead with Aegislash
2. Switch when in against SB Chicken

If Aegislash is your Blaziken counter, you have problems.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:40:15 No.15106805 Report

Quoted By: >>15109320 >>15109701

>>15106653
>The standard set will be an autonomize sweeper
I agree, honestly. Everyone is making theirs as slow as possible and aren't even fucking running Gyro Ball. What the hell is the point then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:44:24 No.15106935 Report

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>>15104228
Not the place to post this I know, but I really don't like the new animation for swords dance.
Gen V's animation was just so fast and had such a good "SHING SHING" sound effect, it made it kind of fun just to use it even when it served no purpose.
Gen VI's just kind of has four swords show up and move in this really jerky, sloppy and slow animation with more of a clunk sound.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:45:57 No.15106978 Report

Quoted By: >>15107187

>>15106653

I was kinda wondering why everyone was going for slow King's Shield stuff. Autotomize seemed like a nice addition since it patches up that low speed, plus it's pretty bulky before going into Blade Form, but it seemed like King's Shield was the hot topic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:52:16 No.15107187 Report

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>>15106978
If steel hadn't gotten nerfed so hard this gen, I could see more automize sets, but now it benefits from the extra protection.

Also, it's a new move so there's that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:55:29 No.15107300 Report

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>>15106676
see
>>15106039

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:56:49 No.15107343 Report

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>>15106653
So max speed automize, what is the speed tier of this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:58:22 No.15107398 Report

Quoted By: >>15107416

Where does Noivern learn draco?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 05:59:04 No.15107416 Report

Quoted By: >>15107461

>>15107398
In Slytherin

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 06:00:18 No.15107461 Report

Quoted By: >>15107594 >>15107652

>>15107416
...meteor

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 06:03:50 No.15107594 Report

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>>15107461
What kind of reaction image is that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 06:05:38 No.15107652 Report

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>>15107461
Putin is bestest president with magical powers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 06:46:12 No.15108820 Report

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>>15104228
You need to know when to use Swords Dance and when to use King's Shield. Using Aegislash takes some manipulation of your oponant. Spamming Swords Dance every turn isn't a viable strategy because you'll eventually get taken down. And if the opponent is worth half his salt, he has at least one monster with a fire type move, in which case you can't afford to spam swords dance, and you have to try and work around the significant threat before you.

>>15104449
Can't use King's Shield every turn.

Keithin 3067-5015-2315 [Water Field - Octillery, Frogadier & Quagsire]

Keithin 3067-5015-2315 [Water Field - Octillery, Frogadier & Quagsire] Thu 24 Oct 2013 06:51:14 No.15108963 Report

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>>15104228

Pokemon Metagame is always who can get their sweepers set up faster and if your walls are effective enough to counter them. Aegislash sits at a nice point between sweeper and wall but make no mistake, he can fall easily to special attackers. Earthquake is also effective as it doesn't trigger king's shield atk drop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 07:04:12 No.15109307 Report

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I think pivot's the best way to go with Aegislash. It can take a hit and threaten one in return.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 07:04:33 No.15109320 Report

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>>15106805
>Use Adamant Aigislash
>Don't outspeed any threats to Brave Aigislash
>Lose 100% of matchups against Brave Aigislash

It's like, why would you care what Speed IVs your Shuckle has? The only things you could outspeed are Munchlax and other Shuckle, and being slower than other Shuckle is actually nice because then you can Encore whatever move they use and stall them out/force a switch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 07:17:23 No.15109701 Report

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>>15106805
The point of going all-out slow is about accepting the fact that a speed set takes too much effort to build up speed and damage.

Autotomize all you want, by the time you get decent speed you'll be dead.

Be what you are, a fucking shield. Tank those hits and counter punch like a boss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 07:17:29 No.15109704 Report

Quoted By:

And then Shadow Sneak doesn't OHKO (not surprising, because it's fucking quick attack) and you're left with a 50/50/50 defenses sword. Enjoy dying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 08:33:01 No.15111569 Report

Quoted By:

>>15105878
>Go! Delphox!
>Aegislash used Shadow Sneak!
>Delphox has fainted!

That's how it really goes.

Coros 0232 - 8815 - 2011 (Octillery, Quagsire, Azumaril)

Coros 0232 - 8815 - 2011 (Octillery, Quagsire, Azumaril) Thu 24 Oct 2013 08:40:51 No.15111717 Report

Quoted By: >>15112053

>mfw when I took a super effective from a blaziken and it didn't even put me in the yellow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 08:52:08 No.15111954 Report

Quoted By:

>>15105302
But it should be

Draco Meteor
Air Slash
Flamethrower/Focus Miss
Uturn

Uturn goes on all choice sets, no matter what, it's just too good to pass up. Hurricane is shit, and the only reason Focus Miss isn't shit when Hurricane is is because it's the only Fighting move worth using. Air Slash then is the next best secondary STAB. If you have Rain support, then by all means use Hurricane. And Boomburst is shit because it's normal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 08:54:40 No.15112009 Report

Quoted By:

What do you guys think is more useful this gen on Magnezone.
Hidden power fire or ice?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 08:56:33 No.15112053 Report

Quoted By: >>15112073

>>15111717
>mfw oneshotted a blaziken with an uninvested earthquake

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 08:57:17 No.15112073 Report

Quoted By:

>>15112053
Blaziken is frail, no shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 09:41:11 No.15112847 Report

Quoted By:

>>15105633
sucker punch only hits if the enemy is readying an attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 09:42:42 No.15112883 Report

Quoted By: >>15112928 >>15112933 >>15112942 >>15113350 >>15116779

>Implying aegislash can do shit against gengar

Hypnosis and dream eater / shadow ball

Oh? Kings shield? grats you only made your suffering last longer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 09:44:00 No.15112909 Report

Quoted By: >>15118641

>>15104585
>Fly variations
>Ever a threat

>Mega Banette disappeared!
>You sent in a normal type

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 09:44:50 No.15112928 Report

Quoted By:

>>15112883
b..but...Shadow Sneak ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 09:45:00 No.15112933 Report

Quoted By: >>15113007 >>15113026

>>15112883
>one shot by shadow sneak

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 09:45:26 No.15112942 Report

Quoted By:

>>15112883
>Hypnosis/Dream eater

what are you 12

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 09:48:08 No.15113007 Report

Quoted By: >>15113021 >>15113233

>>15112933

Shadow sneak doesn't one shot you retard, it's a shit ability that is only decent if you spam sword dance

Do you seriously think a single shadow sneak with 40 damage will take down a gengar in a single hit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 09:49:02 No.15113021 Report

Quoted By:

>>15113007
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 09:49:18 No.15113026 Report

Quoted By: >>15113233 >>15113260

>>15112933

>one shot
>Shadow sneak
>When you didn't have time to sword dance

What fucking monster aegislash do you have?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 09:54:46 No.15113117 Report

Quoted By:

I absolutely hate how Aegislash will still change forms even if it's hit with a status effect and can't pull off the attack. Guy gets paralyzed and you can't move to pull off your shadow sneak? Too bad, you're switching into Blade Forme anyways and are going to be raped. This is his biggest weakness, imho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 09:55:23 No.15113128 Report

Quoted By: >>15113162

>>15104892
Can Aegislash not learn Protect or Detect?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 09:56:29 No.15113162 Report

Quoted By: >>15113283

>>15113128
It can, it some cases that may be better because King's Shield, while having a unique effect, doesn't protect against status effects

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 09:59:32 No.15113223 Report

Quoted By:

>(Mega) Banette
>Phantom Force

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 10:00:17 No.15113233 Report

Quoted By:

>>15113007
>>15113026
252 Atk Ev with attack boosting nature Aegis OHKOs Gengar, without SD.
The fuck are you guys talking about?
I think you're forgetting how frail Gengar is and how strong 150 attack is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 10:01:54 No.15113260 Report

Quoted By:

>>15113026
>STAB Super effective
>Coming off of max-investment 150 base attack
>Gengar has 60/60 defenses and never goes bulk

I'm pretty sure a regular aegislash will do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 10:02:58 No.15113283 Report

Quoted By:

>>15113162
I wish we got a full list of egg moves were available already. I want to know if I'll be able to play with Pain Split/WoW on him or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 10:03:31 No.15113296 Report

Quoted By:

>>15105633
shadow sneak has priority over sucker punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 10:06:00 No.15113350 Report

Quoted By: >>15113385

>>15112883
shadow sneak can one shot normal gengar
don't worry, mega gengar will be Uber

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 10:08:20 No.15113385 Report

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>>15113350
Wait, Mega Gengar's 20 defense keeps him alive? Even with Stealth Rock?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 10:25:22 No.15113693 Report

Quoted By: >>15113717 >>15117099

My Pyroar has been managing quite well against Aegisfags. Taunt, Flamethrower and a Focus Sash (just in case) wipe out Aegislash every time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 10:26:27 No.15113717 Report

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>>15113693
I may have meant Focus Band. I don't remember.

Desudro 3480-2564-4719 (beartic, snover)

Desudro 3480-2564-4719 (beartic, snover) Thu 24 Oct 2013 10:57:10 No.15114209 Report

Quoted By:

why dosnt anyone run phasers this gen
im breeding whirlwind skarm right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 11:57:04 No.15115187 Report

Quoted By: >>15115695

Banette > Aegislash

phantom force and prankster say hello

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 12:26:58 No.15115695 Report

Quoted By: >>15117146

>>15115187
>waiting a turn for prankster
>shit defense and spees
>only good offense is shadow claw and setup bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 12:34:38 No.15115828 Report

Quoted By:

>>15105402
Dragon pulse, it got ice beam too

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 12:37:50 No.15115881 Report

Quoted By:

>>15104228
Talonflame its fast enough so that you can put IV's into somthing other than just speed and attack
stick flare blitz or flame charge on it
use roost for recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 12:39:21 No.15115905 Report

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>>15104228
Forretress, or for that matter, any pokemon with focus sash or sturdy, REKTS it cause it can't take hits for shit.

Forretress happens to take neutral from both hits, and can nearly ko it back with a single no attack ev'd earthquake when it's in blade mode. There's probably a better sturdy counter, but that's the only one I've tried.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 13:25:24 No.15116779 Report

Quoted By:

>>15112883
>what is shadow sneak

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 13:39:35 No.15117099 Report

Quoted By:

>>15113693
>tfw my Rapidash cant learn Taunt

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 13:41:53 No.15117146 Report

Quoted By: >>15118368 >>15118442 >>15118468

>>15115695
>waiting a turn for prankster
I don't think it works that way?

Stat changes take a turn to take effect but abilities change immediately hence shit like Drought Charizard Y.

Banette gets Priority Destiny Bond yo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 14:43:44 No.15118368 Report

Quoted By: >>15118453

>>15117146
>Priority Destiny bond
Doesn't he also get like 165 base attack? Mega bannette is a fucking monster holy shit. Anything he can't kill he can suicide and take with him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 14:46:45 No.15118442 Report

Quoted By: >>15118502

>>15117146
Speed order is fixed before you mega evolve. If your mega evolution were to increase your speed to be faster than the opponent, or in this case bestow priority, it is not factored in on the turn you mega evolve.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 14:47:10 No.15118453 Report

Quoted By: >>15118552

>>15118368
With that speed, the best he's going to be is a slightly better Sableye. I guess you could EV train him n Def and SpDef, but he's still going to be OHKO's by almost everything. Better off using him like Sableye.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 14:47:54 No.15118468 Report

Quoted By: >>15118502

>>15117146
Prankster can't do anything until the turn after you Mega Evolve. The turn order's already been set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 14:48:19 No.15118476 Report

Quoted By:

Can this thing learn baton pass?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 14:49:09 No.15118502 Report

Quoted By: >>15118552

>>15118468
>>15118442
>recover on mega evolve turn woudl still go second
What all can OHKO banette, or is the list too bigg to list?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 14:51:22 No.15118552 Report

Quoted By:

>>15118502
>>15118453
He doesn't get Recover, so he can't fufill Sableye's role. Plus he has more weaknesses than Sableye. Switching him on a fighting type and WoW and Sneak seems like the plan for Mega Banette, unless I'm missing something. I feel like I am, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 14:52:42 No.15118591 Report

Quoted By:

Doesn't Huge Power Diggersby shit on him?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 14:54:12 No.15118641 Report

Quoted By:

>>15104585
Yea, Phantom Force is great, my Trevenant doesn't have any real problem dealing with Aegislash with it.
I like to Will o' wisp him first to fuck with his damage, but you probably don't have to do that. I find it is handy for if he decides to switch out during the Phantom Force so next time he sends it out it is gonna be pretty gimped. For some reason I can't see PF being a reliable way to deal with him on it's own though.

>>15112909
Hey look, Aegislash just lost any stat boosts he had!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 14:55:45 No.15118674 Report

Quoted By:

>nobody mentions Unaware Quagsire as being a full, 100% fool proof stop to Aegislash

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 14:56:10 No.15118683 Report

Quoted By: >>15118726

So, Mega Bannette. What role does he fufill? He's got low speed but great attack and Prankster. He's not bulky at all, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 14:57:43 No.15118726 Report

Quoted By:

>>15118683
Priority Disable and Destiny Bond.

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xurik 0705 2962 1103 Thu 24 Oct 2013 15:03:41 No.15118883 Report

Quoted By:

>>15106395
Can I has?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 15:08:19 No.15119012 Report

Quoted By:

>>15104459
I still havent gotten it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 15:12:34 No.15119137 Report

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>Strategy in children's autism pet game

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