So how can we counter this guy? Bulletproof Chesnaught might wall subdisable sets now, but it's only a matter of time before they start runnig psychic/dazzlinggleam. Suggestions?
Anonymous
You don't counter or check this guy. You just wait for him to get banned.
Anonymous
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Most MegaGengars run Dazzling Gleam. It's most likely going to be Ubers.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>15144753 Basically this, Mega Gengar OP.
Anonymous
>>15144697 Talonflame.
It's the ultimate Mega Destroyer.
Anonymous
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Picture related
Anonymous
>>15144697 is bulletproof immune to ball/bomb moves by the way, or just resist
Anonymous
>>15144849 Explain further.
Anonymous
Shadow Tag absolutely fucks over any chance of having anything be called a counter. To be able to counter, you must be able to reliably switch in, take a hit or two, and kill in return.
Anonymous
>>15145013 Gale Wings gives it priority Brave Bird. It's pretty awesome for a regional bird not to suck for once.
>inb4 Staraptor, fuck that thing. Anonymous
>>15144697 Scarf Chandelure
Mega Gengar
Pursuit before they switch out.
Baton Pass?
Anonymous
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Sucker Punch MegaAbsol?
Anonymous
>>15145052 Ghost types can't be blocked from switching out.
Cass 0688 5279 1407
>>15145122 ghosts can't be trapped m8
Anonymous
>>15145114 I have a question.
Why run Brave Bird over Acrobatics?
Curious, I don't see a point in the recoil damage when you have a slightly weaker alternative. I mean what item does talonflame depserately need?
Anonymous
>>15145127 You can't switch a ghost type IN to fight Gengar though
Not to mention Gengar would absolutely wreck any ghost type trying to jump in.
You can only kill Gengar after it kills one of your Pokemon. That means you didn't have a counter for it.
Anonymous
I made an Infiltrator Noivern with shadow ball specifically to counter substitute Mega Gengars.
Anonymous
>>15145114 Even if you hate it, Staraptor was still the best bird before Talonflame.
I might start using Pidgeot though since it got the speed boost
Anonymous
>>15145234 A flying gem
Which isn't available in the game until we get either Pokebank or they put up the Pokemiles membership rewards bullshit thing.
Anonymous
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Who's more buttfuckingly OP, speedboost mega chicken or shadow tag gangrape?
Anonymous
>>15145052 There's always an infiltrator super effective move. Meowsick and Noviern and probably a few prankster pokemon could cripple it. Come on guys, it isn't impossible.
Also remember that trick room's priority is now 0.
By the way, can destiny bond go beyond a substitude this gen?
Alex 2964-8588-1752 [Krokorok+?+?]
>>15145267 Fucking Noivern is such a good option for a lot of these fucks.
Not a counter, but it actually deals with Mega Blaziken decently. Resists both STABs, with decent defensive stats, and has Infiltrator to hit though Protects, along with STAB Air Slash. 125 speed Taunts help too.
Anonymous
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Literally anything in the game that can learn sucker punch
Anonymous
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>>15145302 >pokebank >he thinks pokebank will let you transfer items Anonymous
>>15145394 Infiltrator hits through protect?
Anonymous
>>15144697 Dodgy Counters Central reporting in.
Assault Vest Bisharp.
why, you may ask? Good question. Bisharp snags a nice Steel typing, allowing him to switch into any poison move Gengar may carry to deal with fairies, a simple bait should work just fine. Secondly, Assault Vest, in addition to Bishap's Dark typing, allow him to Sponge up Shadow Balls like there's no fucking tomorrow. Thirdly, Gengar, while fast, is made of fucking paper; it's 60 Base Defense is more than enough for the 125 Base Attack Bisharp to slice up like a fucking watermelon in a Hideo Kojima game trailer. Fourthly, Bisharp owns an impressive movepool to deal with any of Gengar's tactics. Anything from STAB Sucker Punch to Psycho Cut to STAB Iron Head and beyond, Bisharp has FAR more than enough to deal with my almost-least-favorite-pokemon, Gengar.
Alternatively stick a choice scarf on that thing and Gengar will shit its pants faster than you know it.
I really suck at competitive battling Anonymous
>>15145339 Since when was it 0? I tried it myself and it seems to still be negative priority.
Anonymous
>>15145302 I'm saying right now you can run an item, and bravebird, which is 120 BP with recoil, or you can run no items with acrobatics which is 110 BP with no recoil.
I honestly don't see why you would want bravebird, unless you are going to use Life Orb or a Choice Band or someshit. Which I don't see a reason to with Talonflame.
Anonymous
>>15145528 >switch into Swing and a miss
Alex 2964-8588-1752 [Krokorok+?+?]
>>15145500 I THOUGHT it did, but after looking it up, I'm not seeing anything about that, so it must not.
Anonymous
>>15144697 Get your own Mega Gengar.
Anonymous
>>15145595 Just about to type this. Although I guess you could switch before the Mega evolution and pray he doesn't use focus blast.
Anonymous
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>>15145537 /vp/ said it, I still have to try it. Since pranksters with trick room activate it first.
I have yet to try it
Anonymous
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>>15145636 Yeah, I didn't think so. My Noivern is just for hitting through subs, not protect.
Anonymous
>>15145652 >tfw no friends to trade with Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15144697 > Fighting a dude with mega Gengar > Send out Imposter Ditto > Choice Scarf Mega Gengar on my field > kill his Mega Gengar > he ragequits I love this little dude so much
Anonymous
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>>15145286 >better than honchkrow I'm sorry, it's hard to hear you over my STAB 80BP priority move with all this MOXIE going on.
inb4 >fedora meme Anonymous
>>15145827 but what if i get shit IVs?
Anonymous
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>>15145869 Keep trading, the place is pretty much filled with Haunters.
Anonymous
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Sucker Punch from any Dark type with an attack stat of over 280 will OHKO him.
Anonymous
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>>15145660 For the most part Gengars seem to be foregoing focus blast for dazzling gleam nowadays because steel doesn't resist ghost anymore.
Anonymous
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>>15144753 From official online battles?
Are you retarded?
Kevin 0516-7288-1815
>>15144849 Since we're all talking about Talonflame now, I suppose this is a good place to ask.
Is this moveset good for him?
-Brave Bird/Acrobatics
-Flare Blitz
-U-turn
-Steel Wing/Roost
Really not sure on the last one. Is Steel Wing worth the SE hits on Fairys or Rock types?
Can he even survive long enough to warrant recovery, or will he just be OHKOd after trying?
Anonymous
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>>15145595 >>15145660 Switching has priority over Megas
Gengar has to first EVOLVE.
Duster 1075 2158 8269
>>15145500 It does now, substitute too.
Anonymous
>>15145736 Just use someone on /vp/ holy shit.
Anonymous
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Mega Mawile's Sucker Punch will also OHKO him.
Anonymous
>>15145860 Ditto copies Mega Evolutions!?
Holy shit..
I never stopped to think that Imposter means that Ditto gets a free transform, thus making him equal to the oponent on the switch in. And with a Choice Scarf...
Doesn't this make him the ultimate Revenge Kill pokemon? Especially since he can counter megas with themselves now?
Anonymous
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Switching moves like Volt Switch go through Shadow Tag, don't they?
Desudro 3480-2564-4719 (beartic, snover)
>>15145948 are there going to be fairies who resist your stabs and warrent steel wing? i cant think of any
Anonymous
>>15146038 >Trusting people on /vp/ Desudro 3480-2564-4719 (beartic, snover)
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>>15146153 also, rock types resist the duel stab
Anonymous
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>>15146112 If the mega is resistant to its own typing it's not a counter.
Anonymous
>>15145860 I can't even remember how to use ditto.
do you need any perfect stats except speed ?
Anonymous
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>>15146325 HP?
It's the only stat it doesn't copy.
Anonymous
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>>15146325 HP, actually. Maybe something defensive in case you're a retard who switches in on a substitute or illusion.
Sunday 3582-9527-8319 (Spheal Beartic Cloyster)
Sunday 3582-9527-8319 (Spheal Beartic Cloyster) Fri 25 Oct 2013 02:57:53 No. 15146559 Report >>15146325 Speed is the one you DON'T need, since you run choice scarf anyway.
iirc Ditto doesn't copy HP stat or IVs, so you really want 31/31/31/31/31/31 or as close as you can find and 252 HP EVs
Anonymous
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>>15146559 >Ditto doesn't copy HP stat or IVs It copies stats
Why would that not include IVs
Do you not even know what IVs are
Anonymous
>>15146325 Ditto's IVs and shit only matter when it is ditto.
Imposter Ditto is never ditto unless it's benched or dead
31 HP IV, 252 HP EVs, fuckall anything else.
Desudro 3480-2564-4719 (beartic, snover)
>>15146677 will imposter transform fail if you use it vs a sub or during fly/dig/skyattack ect?
is there ever a time imposter transform will fail?
Anonymous
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>>15146778 Why would you switch in a Ditto if the opponent is using a substitute
Anonymous
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>>15146778 Abilities can "miss"?
Anonymous
>>15146778 >Imposter fails if the opponent has Illusion (Zoroark) or is behind a Substitute. Anonymous
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If I was to use a Focus Sash Haxorus with Shadow Claw, assume his attack is max, that should theoretically take care of Mega Gengar right?
Desudro 3480-2564-4719 (beartic, snover)
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>>15146911 right good to know, thanks
Helel
>>15146778 Imposter won't trigger on another ditto. Otherwise you'd get an infinite loop.
Anonymous
Mega Alakazam outspeeds him, so a Psychic 1 shots it. But if Gengar uses Shadow Sneak, he wins.
Anonymous
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>>15147057 >suddenly reminded of link cable battle against my cousin where we both had ditto and didn't want to be the first to switch out >keep transforming into a ditto with 5 PP left for transform >no struggle Helel
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>>15147096 Not a counter though. A counter has to work like this:
>Opponent sends out XXXX >You switch into YYYY >Opponent is now fucked Alakazam gets OHKOd on the switch in almost for sure (definitely on shadow ball, probably on a bolt/sludge bomb. Might survive a psychic or a focus miss).
Anonymous
You can't counter a Shadow Tagger, because you can't switch in on it.
Anonymous
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>>15147096 >But if Gengar uses Shadow Sneak, he wins >65 base attack >252- Atk Gengar Shadow Sneak vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Alakazam: 140-168 (55.55 - 66.66%) - Anonymous
Anonymous
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Klefki, easy win.
Anonymous
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>>15147320 A slow VoltTurn or Shed Shell.
Anonymous
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>>15147320 Switch out before it mega evolves.
Anonymous
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>>15144849 yeah, talonflame sure loves going up against mega aggron and tyranitar.
Anonymous
With a lot of useless abilities being updated this gen, as anyone tried fleeing with a Run Away pokemon against trapping moves?
Anonymous
>>15145592 You run orb for extra damage, and have priority roost to get back health on a pivot turn.
Anonymous
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It's just mega gengar that's going to get banned right? Not the vanilla gengar?
Anonymous
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>>15145211 Scarf chandelure outspeeds and kills
Mega Gengar Speed ties then it's a coinflip for killing
Persuit kills
IIRC Shadow Tag prevents baton pass.
Anonymous
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>>15144697 Mega Banette Shadow Sneak
Mega Banette
Destiny Bond Anonymous
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>>15147475 Oh well, just tried it myself and it does not allow switching against Arena Trap but weirdly it does allow fleeing from the battle.
Anonymous
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>>15145339 Destiny bond ignored subs last gen as well. it was also passed with baton pass as well.
Anonymous
>>15147526 I get it, I understand you can priority roost, but there might not be much opportunity for it.
I personally would rather run Acrobatics, using Flare Blitz and Roost only when I run into steel types. I take recoil a lot less. that way. No Idea what I would do for the 4th slot though.
Anonymous
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>>15146559 >31/31/31/31/31/31 but not really
It copies the stats completely, but uses it's own IVs for hidden power.
Anonymous
I'm still going to push my idea about Bisharp. No one exactly gave me any reason why it WOULDN'T work.
here:
>>15145528 Seriously, I don't see anything Gengar could do against such a strong pokemon. Besides, Gengars don't run Focus Miss anymore if you guys remember, since muh steel nerf, so you basically can fuck over any Gengar that's thrown at you.
Not only that, but with the Hidden Power nerf as well, Gengar's not going to be running HP Fire any time soon EITHER. So Bisharp can tank both of Gengar's precious STABs and with the Assault vest, can pummel away at the enemy Gengar with practical impunity.
Hell, you can even outspeed Gengar with a Choice Scarf if you want to OR stick it on a Trick Room team. I think Bisharp's a damn fine counter.
Besides, iirc the big argument against Bisharp was that you can't switch to him since M-Gengar's Shadow tag, but Mega Evolution has a lower priority than switching, so the scenario would go like this:
>Enemy sends out Gengar >Switch into Bisharp >Gengar uses some move >Bisharp is either immune or resists Gengar's STABs and tanks it like a champ, also because of the Assault Vest >Mega Gengar is Fucked Central and tries to switch out >STAB SE Pursuit off of Bisharp's 125 Base Attack tears through Gengar's wafer-thin defenses like a chainsaw on flesh in a bad horror movie >Mega Gengar is fucking toast Please, tell me where I'm messing up.
Anonymous
>>15144697 I'm curious for anyone who can tell me what move set people use for sub Mega Gengar.
~ Substitute
~ Disable
~ Shadow Ball
~ Focus Blast
or is it something different?
Anonymous
>>15147926 That less recoil doesn't really mean much if you don't kill the target. Taking the recoil doesn't mean as much when you ensure the kills then can just heal off the damage on those pivot turns, I was doing the exact same thing with a mence today.
>>15148000 Mega gengars start running focus blast or dazzling gleam and your bisharp is fucked sideways.
Anonymous
>>15148000 when you forgot bisharp is a shit tier pokemon
Helel
>>15148000 I actually agree with you mostly. But don't forget that M-Gengar stays evolved after you evolve the first time. If M-Gengar switches out you're stuck with an immediate shadow tag next time.
Anonymous
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>>15148112 Mega gengar can't really do subs as well.
Anonymous
>>15148000 Because then you have a bisharp on your team, which is a huge liability.
Anonymous
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I already emailed chaos so he could get it banned on smogon.
Anonymous
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>>15146031 it doesn't, just substitue
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay Fri 25 Oct 2013 03:39:06 No. 15148261 Report >thunder wave with klefki ( or anyone that can take 1 hit) >instantly becomes a piece of shit
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay Fri 25 Oct 2013 03:40:24 No. 15148316 Report >>15148000 >focus blast >x4 weakness to fighting Anonymous
>>15148261 Thunder Wave
Dual Screens
Klefki is Love
Rumina 3695-0575-4308 (Ghost: Shuppet - Phantump - ????)
Rumina 3695-0575-4308 (Ghost: Shuppet - Phantump - ????) Fri 25 Oct 2013 03:41:06 No. 15148350 Report Quoted By:
>>15146199 I haven't had someone cheat me on this board yet and I've been trading like mad the last couple days. Worst I get is some guy naming his pokemon his max stats.
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay Fri 25 Oct 2013 03:42:41 No. 15148426 Report >>15148344 I do this everytime I see a gengar hasn't failed me yet. Even if klefki has to die I still get to put up some spikes so it's worth it.
Wait, he learns both screens?
Anonymous
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>goat stats >great typing >shadow tag You don't counter it. You just wait patiently for it to be banned and spam it yourself.
>>15144849 see pic
Anonymous
>>15148426 Yes it does, I love my keys.
Anonymous
>>15148123 Steel resists Fairy, so Dazzling Gleam's neutral, and couldn't kill Bisharp because of Assault Vest. Only thing that could do it in is Focus Miss, and we all know how much everyone hates that.
>>15148172 It is absolutely a bit of a liability, but at least you could force some switches. Get some entry hazards up and you could abuse it pretty well.
>>15148153 >>15148212 oh c'mon guys, it's not that bad
>>15148316 Again I need to say that Focus Miss is something no one wants to run on Gengar anymore. Although I do recognize that this is a problem. However, on the other side of the coin, Fighting is going to become a less common type, purely because of Fairy type.
Anonymous
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay Fri 25 Oct 2013 03:51:30 No. 15148753 Report >>15148574 I nicknamed mine "beuboo keys"
because "boo boo" or "booboo" was censored.
Kinda reminds me of when frostglass and confagrigus weren't tradeable.
>>15148600 Is there any other solid special based fighting moves?
I mean bisharp was my brah in black and white but I know her limitations.
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay Fri 25 Oct 2013 03:54:32 No. 15148867 Report >>15148741 Too bad chestnaught sucks in every other way.
Unless someone can convince me otherwise I'm sticking with the idea he is a piece of trash.
Anonymous
>>15148753 Focus Miss, Aura sphere, and Vaccum Wave are it iirc. Focus Miss is Focus Miss, and the others have shit distribution to be very useful
Outside of a Special Lucario And I named my Keys. Keyring, because I'm an uncreative fuck.
Anonymous
>>15148753 the only other special fighting moves are Vaccum Wave and Aura Sphere iirc. Certainly nothing that Gengar can learn.
>mfw gen 7 Aura Sphere is an egg move for the Gengar line Anonymous
>>15148867 He is too slow to get anything going, his only redeeming factor aside from bulletproof is spikey shield, but that isnt enough to make him useful. maybe be fun to use him in lower tiers though.
Anonymous
>>15148903 >mfw aurasphere is nerfed even more to 70 BP and given to everything in the game Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay Fri 25 Oct 2013 04:01:18 No. 15149107 Report >>15148877 >Vaccum wave >Prior to Pokémon Platinum, it was the signature move of Hitmonchan. >Hitmonchan also got mach punch Why the fuck was this even a thing in the first place? Is there anyone that can learn it and use it well?
>>15148903 So it's either focus miss or nothing?
>>15148905 How much damage does spikey shield do?
Anonymous
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>>15149107 Nothing. Since everything that learns it is Primarily Physical and can learn Mach Punch.
Anonymous
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>>15148600 252 SpA (170SpA/Timid) (Bug/Special/80BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 252 SpD Bisharp: 71-84 (21.25 - 25.14%) -- possible 4HKO
(71, 72, 73, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84)
252 SpA (170SpA/Timid) (Bug/Special/80BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Bisharp: 96-113 (28.74 - 33.83%) -- 0.63% chance to 3HKO
(96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 113)
But note these numbers are only the case if assault vest is a 1.5x boost to SpD.
Still wouldn't save it from a Focus blast if it runs it, which I expect to happen should Bisharp become an actual thing.
Anonymous
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>>15148939 I don't want to live in a world so hellish.
>>15149107 yep. That's all Gengar's got, which is really nice becaue IF he got something like Aura Sphere he would LITERALLY be unstoppable. It's the Shaky accuracy of Focus Miss that keeps him in check.
Also Spiky Shield seems to do a solid 6% of damage, regardless of type.
Oh and to answer your FIRST question a Special Lucario can make use of it if you don't want to run based Hadouken
Anonymous
>>15149107 I'm pretty sure it does the same damage as rough skin/rocky helmet but does not stack with rocky helmet.
Anonymous
>>15148600 Focus miss will only not be run if pyroar doesn't get run at all, since pyroar prevents gengar from having perfect coverage with Fairy+Ghost.
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir]
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir] Fri 25 Oct 2013 04:08:27 No. 15149390 Report >>15144753 Smogon fags can't handle a little mega lol.I love online with the 3DS and I don't even run Legendaries nor Megas.Legendaries can be gay at times but passable.
3625 9158 7658 (ghost)
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay Fri 25 Oct 2013 04:10:51 No. 15149467 Report >>15149347 Does pyroar suck ass though? I remember trying to use litleo in the begining of the game and the fucker wouldn't deal any damage and would die in like 1 hit. Bug gym.
Anonymous
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Will they ban the Mega version or just the whole pokemon? Mega gengar is better than many gen 5 ubers.
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay Fri 25 Oct 2013 04:12:16 No. 15149521 Report Quoted By:
>>15149310 >doesn't stack with rocket helmet Fuck he just keeps getting worse doesn't he?
Anonymous
Will gen 7 nerf ghost? Fairy will get nerfed gen 8 after gen 7 releases a bunch of fairies with good stats.
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir]
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir] Fri 25 Oct 2013 04:13:15 No. 15149555 Report >>15148261 I love Klefki that thing can sweep and annoy the hell out of a team.I hope he stays hipster because I love that
thing.It 's like a Jirachis annoying incarnate.
Anonymous
>>15149347 I don't expect Gengar to waste a moveslot just for Pyroar considering that even an NVE Dazzling Gleam coming off of M-Gengar's Sp. attack is enough to rip Pyroar's shitty Sp. Def into shreds
I think I need to ask this question since I don't think I have it down pat: What exactly are people running on M-Gengar? What's the standard set? Is Sub-Disable M-Gengar a thing?
Anonymous
>>15149539 Only if Ghost becomes weak to
Sound Anonymous
>>15149559 Sub Disable isn't as good without lefties
Anonymous
>>15149559 It is for me.
>Opponent opens up with Mega Blaziken >Mega Gengar Shadow Tag >Substitute >Disable Fire Move >Blaziken can't do shit but die like a little bitch Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay Fri 25 Oct 2013 04:15:35 No. 15149630 Report >>15149555 Sweep? I just use him to T-wave big threats like blaziken or gengar and than spikes it up.
Or sometimes leading with him because he can tank any 1 physical attack.
Anonymous
>>15149390 Dude, a 'banlist' is a good thing. Without one the meta stagnates to a certain point.
>>15149467 No clue, I don't have the numbers in front of me. All I know is that it is the only thing that would resist both Dazzling Gleam and Shadow ball.
Though I did realize something else: If we're talking about a gengar that's only running Gleam and Shadow Ball alone, then that means we're talking about SubDisable gengar, which shits all over your strategy for multiple reasons.
1, it sets up sub on first turn, then disables your move the second turn, so your pursuit would inevitably be disabled since you're trapped; or he switches out, only losing his sub to your pursuit.
>>15149559 Well, I was just noting perfect coverage. Of course gengar's going to want to run as perfect of coverage as he needs to beat everything.
My guess is that the two big sets ATM would be 3attacks+Hypnosis or SubDisable+Perfect Coverage.
Anonymous
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay Fri 25 Oct 2013 04:19:06 No. 15149755 Report >>15149631 My strategy? My strategy was priortity T-wave.
Anonymous
>>15149712 That's just what I've been hearing.
You either run sub-disable (which you don't have the lefties for)
Or 3-4 attacks+utility move. If it learned anything like baton pass or u-turn, that would deal with it's Bisharp problem as well.
Anonymous
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I started watching a TV until it looped around, and it said trying to use spiky shield twice in a row dropped the chance for it to activate to 30% or 1/3 (I forgot the exact wording, close enough). Does that mean protect was "nerfed" in this manner as well, or could it be just because of the nature of the move?
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir]
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir] Fri 25 Oct 2013 04:20:00 No. 15149789 Report Quoted By:
>>15149630 Para~Swagger+Foul Play=Death I run an Impish set.He has many Varients such as all support and calm mind sets.I personally run spike on the Para~Swag.Oh and try Rocky helmet it's pretty boss.Sometime I just Para and they swords Dance and they get 1HKO by FoulPlay.That move makes him a beast.
Anonymous
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>>15149561 They should have made sound a type, but just for moves that are sound based. That way they can have their own little niches, as well as having a better effectiveness rather than being slapped with normal.
Anonymous
>>15149755 I was talking about bisharp guy's strategy, sorry.
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir]
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir] Fri 25 Oct 2013 04:23:08 No. 15149905 Report >>15149631 >Dude, a 'banlist' is a good thing. Without one the meta stagnates to a certain point. Whenever I want rules I'll play on smogon.Yes I know all the clauses and play by them,but nothing beats when you fight a Blissey with Minimize~T-Wave~Hyper-Voice sweeping your team.A bunch of F.E.A.R players to but are usually very predicatable and making them easily counter-able.
Anonymous
>>15149608 point taken, then again....
>>15149612 >>15149631 SubDisable can't also have perfect coverage. And even then, you might not see Focus Miss at all, given that you could hit Pyroar just fine with the much more reliable Tbolt AND hit those bulky water types Super Effectively too.
>>15149796 certainly getting a status condition onto Gengar before it goes apeshit rapemode would be fantastic, if that's what you're talking about.
Anonymous
>>15149905 yeh, that's why minimize gets booted. Also, lower tiers are great for pokemon that aren't as great, and even ubers can be fun with the weird things that pop up there.
>>15149922 Sub disable can get perfect coverage. No typing combination that exists resists Ghost Attack+Fighting Attack.
With the exclusion of pyroar, no attack that exists resists Ghost Attack+Fairy Attack.
That is what perfect coverage is.
As for status condition idea, that is a superior idea with a prankster poke, especially since you can turn off it's speed. Though it still does its job of killing at least one thing.
Anonymous
>>15149905 Basically, if I wanted to play 'EVERYONE USE MEWTWO/GENGAR/BLAZIKEN AND DEMAND YOU RUN SPECIFIC COUNTERS FOR IT DUE TO LACK OF VARIETY', I'd play online rated more often (which I intend to do anyways, hence why I'm breeding out for a blaziken and salamence atm)
Anonymous
>>15149757 I run 3 attacks +Sub
Shadowball
Sludge Bomb
Dazzling Gleam
Sub
Switch in on something that can't hurt it too much, sub and destroy. Sub also takes out sucker punches, but only scrubs try that. What usually ends up happening is I weaken everything a little bit and spam shadow ball to victory.
Anonymous
>>15150059 I wonder how fucked up it would be to run 2 Gengars with Sub/Disable. 1 with Fighting Attack. and the other with Fairy Attack.
I do have another Gastly with my desired IVs..
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2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir] Fri 25 Oct 2013 04:31:26 No. 15150266 Report >>15150059 >yeh, that's why minimize gets booted Thing is I didn't lose to Accuracy
issues.It was actually paralyze that allowed the evasion to get bad and make me
miss.To be honest I felt as a player that I lost.Not some OP strategy.Although I understand banning it does make the game more fun and enjoyable.
Also is it just me or did T-Wave get buffed?It paralyzes so often...
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir]
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir] Fri 25 Oct 2013 04:34:00 No. 15150370 Report >>15150146 I don;t know who you're playing but I'm getting no Legendaries in free play as much as the first two weeks of the game.Most people have a decent built team.Also any good team can counter those poorly trained Legendaries.
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>>15150148 I would argue that you don't need the sludge bomb over something like focus blast, or just run focus blast with the 4th slot over sub. But yeh, that sub deals with sucker punches and pursuits well enough that I could see justifying it until you start seeing a distinctive lack of that.
>>15150232 wouldn't matter in online. It has built in species clause.
>>15150266 T-Wave is 100% accuracy, 100% chance to paralyze. It's always been that way. Only negatives it had was 'can't hit ground types', and now it can't affect electric types. But yeh, the paralysis wasn't as bad as that and the evasion getting up there. It's stuff like that sub/minimize/coverage that causes bs as well.
Anonymous
>>15150059 I was being led to believe that the assumption was that Gengar was going to be running Ghost and Fairy at the bare minimum. But ask yourself this question:
Who in their right mind is going to make their only alternative to using a Ghost move FOCUS BLAST?
It's just too unreliable, and because of that you're not going to see anyone run Ghost+F. Miss with any consistency outside of some damn incredible luck.
Anonymous
>>15150386 Built in species clause?
Call me a retard, but what? I'm not familiar.
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir]
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir] Fri 25 Oct 2013 04:35:51 No. 15150443 Report >>15150386 >T-Wave is 100% accuracy, No I meant the "X pokemon cannot move" seems more frequent.
Anonymous
>>15150370 Eh, I've been seeing an assload of mewtwos and a decent amount of them well trained (especially with mega mewtwo y) to have a severe distaste for random free play.
>>15150392 you will if you need it in order not to be stopped. It's what's referred to as '2 move syndrome'. The fact that there is no relevant pokemon that resists both fairy and ghost now is the only reason why you won't be using focus blast.
>>15150431 Species clause says you can not bring in 2 of the same species.
>>15150443 should still be 1/4th speed, 25% full para chance.
Anonymous
>>15150431 You can't have 2 pokemon with the same dex number.
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay
Nick 4055 3970 3750 Dark: sneasel, pawniard, inkay Fri 25 Oct 2013 04:37:44 No. 15150531 Report Quoted By:
>>15150443 Tell me about it. CPU stalled for 3 turns on para hacks alone.
Anonymous
>>15150386 Oops meant Sludge Wave. The 15 extra base power helps in some instances when you have to rely on neutral hits, and I'm too unlucky to use focus miss. Niche, but worth it.
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>>15150511 *4 move syndrome*
Also meant to say, there isn't really anything that can beat out a MMY, except maybe a Scarfed Jolteon.
140 base speed and 190 base SpA with a Shadow Ball/Aura Sphere/SE Coverage/SE coverage. All it needs is a decent nature (like timid) and proper EV training.
>>15150644 I was thinking you were using it because >Fairys. more than anything else.
Anonymous
Anonymous
Multiscale Dragonite deals with both the mega chicken and mega gengar with earthquake. Easy as pie.
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>>15151047 Wigglytuff says Hi
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>>15145247 >using counters Checks/Revenge killers have always been the superior and safer option.
Anonymous
>>15151231 Except when you realize that a counter is also a check and revenge killer. And in a 3v3 format (like online is), losing 1 pokemon is much worse than in a 6v6.
Anonymous
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>>15151231 >>15151395 Basically, to properly define a counter:
-It can safely switch on the opposition
-It can survive long enough to kill it reliably
-It can do this repeatedly should it scare off the threat
This is why the best counters resist the main moves that the thing uses normally, have some reliable form of recovery, and pack decent bulk.
Anonymous
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I countered one with Rhyperior + choice band with stab EQ
Anonymous
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>>15149630 it can wreck some shit if you set it up (Mostly foul play)
But yeah I love this thing setting up dual screens
HOW DOES THIS THING DIE HONESTLY it takes hits like Rihanna
Anonymous
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>>15144697 >just ev trained one of these >destroying ranked battles like a motherfucker AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO BRAKES ON THIS TRAIN MUTHAPHUKKA
Anonymous
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>switch in special defensive m-mawile before it goes mega >sucker punch the sub or whatever >play rough as they sub again >repeat >sucker punch in case they try to attack instead
Anonymous
>>15144697 >gengar mega-evolves >mega-kangaskhan earthquake >mega gengar has fainted Anonymous
How much would Mega Gengar's Focus Miss do against the typical spread Blissey?
Anonymous
>>15153219 >Gengar used Focus Blast! >It's supereffective! >Kangaskhan fainted! Anonymous
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>>15154975 252 SpA Mega Gengar Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Blissey: 248-292 (34.73 - 40.89%) -- 64.67% chance to 3HKO
Chansey fares much better with the same spread
252 SpA Mega Gengar Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 204-242 (28.97 - 34.37%) -- 4.3% chance to 3HKO
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>>15155039 good luck getting focus miss off when kangaskhan breaks subs with double hits
Anonymous
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Mega Gengar doesn't seem too overpowered to me.
Anonymous
>>15144753 >Not running Choice Scarf Gengar He's a fucking hard counter to it.
Anonymous
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Assault Vest Tyranitar
Anonymous
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>>15145052 Correct me if I'm wrong, but switching goes before Mega-Evolution doesn't it?
Anonymous
have u-turn and volt switch on everything, then he can't trap shit
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>>15155039 here's how it's really gonna play out
>Gengar used Focus Blast! >The attack missed! >Kangaskhan used earthquake! >It's supereffective! >Gengar has fainted! Anonymous
>>15155393 >Implying anything trying to set up trick room will survive that -7 priority Anonymous
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My Expert Belt Weavile's Night Slash always OHKOs him.
Anonymous
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>>15155424 >not knowing Trick Room now has 0 priority Anonymous
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>>15155346 Not really.
>CS GENGAR SWITCHES IN on Megagar >Takes the shadow ball to the face >Dies For it to be a counter, it has to switch in on mega gengar safely (this assumes the previous poke was a ghost as well). It is a Check, not a counter.
Anonymous
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>>15155346 >Using words you don't understand Hard counter = Being able to switch in and kill something with 100% success rate if they don't switch out.
Anonymous
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I have had zero problems taking out M Gengar. He's fast, but if you can survive one hit from him, he's super fragile and it seems like and SE move takes him out in one shot.
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