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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 19:38:04 No.15397774 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>15398938 >>15399335 >>15399687 >>15400587 >>15403054 >>15403089 >>15403877 >>15404537 >>15404591

You wake up tomorrow in a world where Garchomp learns Dragon Dance.

How do you defeat Mega Garchomp? Remember that it has 108/115/95 defenses.

Christian 4210-4058-0397

Christian 4210-4058-0397 Wed 30 Oct 2013 19:50:52 No.15398178 Report

Quoted By: >>15398317 >>15398418

Mamoswine Ice Shard
>Has enough bulk to take a hit
>Has enough Attack to dish it out

M-Garchomp dedded

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 19:54:36 No.15398317 Report

Quoted By: >>15398422 >>15401004

>>15398178

>Implying Mamoswine can take a hit from Mega Garchomp's 170 base attack after it goes to +1

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 19:57:13 No.15398418 Report

Quoted By: >>15399413 >>15401004 >>15401367

>>15398178

>Garchomp used Surf!
>Mamoswine fainted!

Christian 4210-4058-0397

Christian 4210-4058-0397 Wed 30 Oct 2013 19:57:20 No.15398422 Report

Quoted By: >>15398448 >>15402219

>>15398317
>Implying Mamoswine doesn't hit 200 HP before level 60

As long as Garchomp doesn't have a SE move on him, Chomp is dead

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 19:58:26 No.15398448 Report

Quoted By: >>15398486

>>15398422
outrage doesn't need to be SE
have you even played comp before?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 19:59:28 No.15398486 Report

Quoted By: >>15398565

>>15398448
I think his reference of "before level 60" stats is pretty indicative of the answer: no_

Christian 4210-4058-0397

Christian 4210-4058-0397 Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:02:26 No.15398565 Report

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>>15398486
Actually I have, and while the thing has massive attack, I was only using that as an example. Mamoswine still leaves a good mark on the bastard, even if it doesn't kill him.

Also, I was only using the level 60 thing as a comparison, not a newfag comment

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:14:52 No.15398938 Report

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>>15397774
We send it to Ubers.
Case solved.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:19:49 No.15399079 Report

Quoted By: >>15399294

The solution is to send out Scarfsect and, nab an easy special attack boost, and then use Ice Beam.

This is assuming Genesect doesn't get booted back up to Ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:26:07 No.15399294 Report

Quoted By: >>15399357

>>15399079
>Choice Scarf
>special attack boost
Choose one.
>Outspeeding a DDed Chomp
Don't even bother

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:27:15 No.15399335 Report

Quoted By: >>15399390 >>15399399 >>15399524

>>15397774
Topsy turvy Malamar

Erk 3609-1438-9794 (Wobbuffet, Duosion, Munna)

Erk 3609-1438-9794 (Wobbuffet, Duosion, Munna) Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:27:47 No.15399357 Report

Quoted By: >>15399489

>>15399294
>Download
Choice Scarf Genesect outspeeds +1 Mega-Garchomp

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:28:35 No.15399390 Report

Quoted By: >>15399462

>>15399335
>Garchomp used Earthquake
>Malamar fainted before having a chance at Topsy Turvy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:28:47 No.15399399 Report

Quoted By: >>15399524

>>15399335
This. Have fun with -1 attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:29:21 No.15399413 Report

Quoted By: >>15399760

>>15398418
>special

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:30:42 No.15399462 Report

Quoted By: >>15399698

>>15399390
Well you can do that with anything since everything is pediction then. Like the mamoswine example.
>mamoswine used ice shard! It's super effective
>garchomp mega evolved and used putrage/earthquake etc
>(mamoswine either survives or holds on with focus sash)
>mamoswine used iceshard!
>Garchomp fainted!

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:31:37 No.15399489 Report

Quoted By: >>15399555 >>15400472

>>15399357
Oh yeah, an event pokemon that everyone has with perfect viable IVs and nature

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:33:03 No.15399524 Report

Quoted By: >>15399627

>>15399399
>>15399335

>You sent in Malamar!
>Garchomp loafs around/ or uses DD
>Garchomp uses ANY attack+ outspeeds Malamar
>Malamar is dead!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:33:24 No.15399534 Report

Quoted By: >>15399706

Klefki

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:34:02 No.15399555 Report

Quoted By: >>15399598 >>15399670 >>15399674

>>15399489
>wut is pokegen

fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:34:45 No.15399580 Report

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Prankster Megabanette

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:35:23 No.15399598 Report

Quoted By: >>15399629 >>15399656 >>15399661 >>15399866

>>15399555
tell that to GF when they ask why your Genesect has perfect IVs and a perfect nature.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:36:09 No.15399627 Report

Quoted By: >>15399677 >>15399819

>>15399524
What? I don't think you understand how pokemon works, newfriend.
Topsy turvy reverses any stat changes so if Chomp used DD like you stated and then Malamar moved second in the same turn (which it would have to) then the topsy turvy would come off and Chomp would then have -1 attack and speed. Understand now, buddy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:36:15 No.15399629 Report

Quoted By: >>15399675

>>15399598
>luck

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:37:14 No.15399656 Report

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>>15399598
GF won't ask because they don't care

besides they can't prove it's legit unless anon is retardedand sucks at hacking

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:37:20 No.15399661 Report

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>>15399598
>implying gf do anything about it
>implying it doesn't already happen at their official tournaments
>implying they stopped it there
This denial is delicious!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:37:31 No.15399670 Report

Quoted By: >>15399866

>>15399555

>Pokegen
>For any event mons
>For any egg Pokemon
>For any WILD ENCOUNTER POKEMON

Sure, current legality checkers cover the obvious shit, but theres 1 fatal flaw each of those systems use.

If you have ANY faith in Pokebank, I'm sure they'll exploit that 1 glaring, GLARING issue each of those methods use, and prevent them from being stored.

I love posting this image, becuase it's obvious why Pokegenned pokemon won't be transferable. They all have a glaring legality issue.

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:37:37 No.15399674 Report

Quoted By: >>15399866

>>15399555
>using pokegen to make pokemon that do not exist

that's cheating

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:37:38 No.15399675 Report

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>>15399629
>luck
You could only get it in Gen 5.
For it to have 5 perfect IVs and a perfect nature then you would have had to soft reset the game thousands of times.
And I doubt most Perfect Genesects users did that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:37:45 No.15399677 Report

Quoted By: >>15399786 >>15399805

>>15399627
>being this retard
Malamar have to use topsy turvy, and guess what? he can't if he's outspeed and OHKOed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:38:02 No.15399687 Report

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>>15397774
>defeat D-Dance M-Garchomp
>implying I wouldn't be using D-Dance M-Garchomp

What now OP?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:38:17 No.15399698 Report

Quoted By: >>15399786

>>15399462
Holy shit anon I didn't know you're so good at predicting that you'd know exactly when your opponent is going to send their Chomp
Also too bad for them, I hope they learn that keeping the chomp in against a Mamoswin is stupid and don't do that next time

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:38:35 No.15399706 Report

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>>15399534
Mega Garchomp can self-2hko/ohko after a swagger. I've seen it happen twice, its fucking hilarious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:40:12 No.15399760 Report

Quoted By:

>>15399413

>120 Special Attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:40:59 No.15399786 Report

Quoted By: >>15400589

>>15399698
>>15399677
>the point of this thread
It's a hypothetical situation you inbreds. He asked for a counter and these are the possibilities. Stop picking because your thread is shit and your point is moot (that means invalid if you're too new to get it)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:41:08 No.15399791 Report

Quoted By: >>15400627

>I send out my chioce scarf ditto

gg not even close

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:41:25 No.15399805 Report

Quoted By:

>>15399677
>turn 1
>Fag sends out Garchomp
>Cool Guy sends out psychopath squid
>Garchomp mega evolves and uses dragon dance
>Malamar used Topsy Turvy

I mean, it'd be pretty hard for Malamar to defeat M-Garchomp, but it could turn Dragon Dance into a weakness.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:41:51 No.15399819 Report

Quoted By: >>15400011

>>15399627
>Listen Dipshit.png
Wow, big words coming from an illiterate fuck.
Turn 1
>You have crappy pokemon out, much switch to garchomp counter!
>You sent in Malamar!
>Garchomp loafs around/ or uses DD
turn 2
>Garchomp uses ANY attack+ outspeeds Malamar
>Malamar is dead!

That, aside from the fact if you send ANYTHING out against a malamar, you're never gonna statboost with it. And even after a resisted Super power, garchomp 2KO's Malamar with Earthquake factoring in the first is at +1, and the second is at +2 Malamar Defence.

Unless your special snowflake malamar has Max Def+ HP using a Defence boosting nature, in which case you live, and are SEVERLY crippled and prone to Gale Wings/ Priority.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:43:15 No.15399866 Report

Quoted By: >>15400135

>>15399598
>>15399670
>>15399674
>thinking pokebank can tell the difference from a pokemon created by pokegen

I CANT WAIT UNTIL DEC!

The fucking butthurt oh man. It will be glorious. Can't wait for those shiny threads to go away too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:44:17 No.15399903 Report

Quoted By: >>15400380

My Jolteon's Hidden Power OHKO Garchomps all day and night.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:47:44 No.15400011 Report

Quoted By: >>15400054 >>15400303

>>15399819
Ok here we go, time to finish the retard off. If it's turn one like you assume then Garchomp sets up and then in the same turn Malamar topsy turvies and it's fucked.
If it's a different turn then either Garchomp kills 'x' and you send in Malamar. The Garchomp having set up however amount of DD attacks Malamar which either survives with investment or via focus sash and proceeds to topsy turvy this fucking Chomp over.
Anything else you wanna know, newfriend?
btw nice attempt to seem less new by putting up pokemon related fanart

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:49:18 No.15400054 Report

Quoted By: >>15400111 >>15400157

>>15400011

But it's the same, Jolly MEGA-Garchomp outspeeds and OHKO Malamar with Earthquake without needing to setup.

if I switch INTO Malamar why the fuck would anyone statboost first on such a frail pokemon like Malamar?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:51:28 No.15400111 Report

Quoted By: >>15400222 >>15402196

>>15400054
>frail
Haha no not really. Dude, you're wrong, just admit it.
Listen what you just said is basically making it more prediction based. If it's not gonna set up DD then what's the point of the thread? The point is once it's set up you put in Malamar and force a switch causing you to lose all your boosts or go to -1 or 2 or whatever.
Stay pleb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:52:08 No.15400135 Report

Quoted By: >>15401095 >>15401636

>>15399866

I never Pokegenned, just answer this, HOW do you recieve the Pokemon you pokegenned? This alone is a huge break in proving your pokemon was Pokegenned.

The Legality checkers only work for Gen 5, they'll have OBVIOUSLY made improvements.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:52:45 No.15400157 Report

Quoted By: >>15400219

>>15400054
Why the emphasis on the 'MEGA'? M-Chomp has a lower base speed stat then regular Chomp, retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:54:23 No.15400219 Report

Quoted By: >>15400237

>>15400157
M-Chomp is still faster than Malamar.

92 Speed > 73.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:54:29 No.15400222 Report

Quoted By: >>15400304

>>15400111

>What is point of thread
>Keeps stating Malamarr is Garchomp counter
>When Pokemon is mind game
>"There is no point in the thread if BOTH these 2 pokemon are out, T1, and DON'T Bother use DD and Topsy Turvy! If its not ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS like that, then you're wrong!"

Are you even listening to yourself? I already stated Garchomp easily OHKO's malamar, just what is your angle now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:54:56 No.15400237 Report

Quoted By: >>15400306 >>15400369

>>15400219
Sash + Topsy Turvy > DD

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:55:47 No.15400266 Report

Quoted By:

easy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:56:43 No.15400303 Report

Quoted By: >>15400346

>>15400011
>If it's turn one like you assume then Garchomp sets up and then in the same turn Malamar topsy turvies
No, in the first turn Garchop DDs and you panic, switching out whatever you have in for Malamar. Then in the second turn your squid dies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:56:45 No.15400304 Report

Quoted By: >>15400419

>>15400222
Pls just stop spouting shit.
You give me the situation then. Go on. What i'm saying is have malamar in the team and that's a counter. But you tell me what happens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:56:47 No.15400306 Report

Quoted By: >>15400402

>>15400237

this isn't a counter. if that happens priority kills it like bread and butter, and youi can just switch out your FULL HP Garchomp for later when your only "Counter" is stuck at 1HP and is killed to stealth rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:57:50 No.15400346 Report

Quoted By: >>15400499

>>15400303
>what is sacrifice

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:58:09 No.15400356 Report

Quoted By: >>15400443

Any fast pokemon with ice beam wrecks garchomp's shit

Case closed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:58:24 No.15400369 Report

Quoted By: >>15400460

>>15400237
That would only work if any hazard not named Sticky Web is off the field.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:58:40 No.15400380 Report

Quoted By:

>>15399903
>Lying
>On the internet

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:59:14 No.15400402 Report

Quoted By: >>15401320 >>15401912

>>15400306
And then the opponent loses their most powerful pokemon and in doing so you've saccd a Malamar to terminate their best pokemon and threat and their mega evo. I'm going now have fun being wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 20:59:39 No.15400419 Report

Quoted By: >>15400541 >>15400670

>>15400304
But in every situation, Garchomp wins

You switch into it? It can EITHER OHKO with EQ, or Statboost and OHKO you next turn

If I switch into you, You fail to 2KO even factoring in 2 super powers while Garchomp 2KO's back with EQ

if we send out at the same time, Garchomp OHKO Malamar just by using EQ right off the bat. NO NEED TO STATBOOST.

So please, I implore you, just state your angle already. Malamarr is a shaky check at best... against a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:00:20 No.15400443 Report

Quoted By: >>15400488

>>15400356
You'd need STAB or a really high Sp.Attack to not eat a counter from M-Chomp. What with Ice Beam being weaker now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:00:52 No.15400460 Report

Quoted By: >>15402149

>>15400369
>gen6
>hazards
>not clearing
Dude i'm not even him but stop. At this moment in time no one online is using hazards due to poor distro and now rapid spin and defog nerf it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:01:10 No.15400472 Report

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>>15399489
Oh, you mean the Red Genesect that came out in Japan with 31 Speed IVs and a Hasty nature guaranteed, while also holding a Choice Scarf?

Because that's a thing that exists. Sure, getting one is difficult if you weren't in Japan during the distro, but it's doable. Hell, there's probably a few enterprising Nips who stockpiled boxes of them for future negotiations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:01:18 No.15400477 Report

Quoted By:

It'd still be better without the Mega.

>Yache
>Perfect motherfucking speed tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:01:20 No.15400480 Report

Quoted By: >>15400572

If Mega Garchomp isn't running Fire Blast or Fire Fang then Shedinja will cock block him.
I'd assume 3 slots would be taken up with Outrage, D-Dance, and EQ. 4th slot could possibly be Iron Head or Poison Jab.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:01:28 No.15400488 Report

Quoted By: >>15400514

>>15400443

Greninja.

Even without stab I'm sure a pokemon with decent special attack will OHKO garchomp with an ice beam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:01:38 No.15400499 Report

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>>15400346
>you sacrifice something
>Garchomp is most likely already at +1 or +2 ATK/SPE
In that case, there's absolutely no way squid lives, unless there are no rawks and it's sashed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:02:04 No.15400514 Report

Quoted By: >>15400549 >>15400583 >>15400600 >>15400610

>>15400488
108/115/95 Defenses is pretty bulky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:02:50 No.15400541 Report

Quoted By: >>15400678 >>15400690

>>15400419
I'm not saying Malamar could defeat Garchomp with ease but it counters it and forces a switch. If I sac something then i come in take a hit and topsy turvy your chomp and then you either switch or i setup with contrary super power and increase attack and deffence or just foul play using your attack stat in general

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:03:06 No.15400549 Report

Quoted By: >>15400601

>>15400514
But not invincible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:03:44 No.15400572 Report

Quoted By: >>15400691

>>15400480
There's not reason to run Iron Head or Poison Jab. Most Fairies die from STAB EQ off its 170 Attack.

Fire Fang/Fire Blast deals with the much more dangerous Steel types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:04:14 No.15400583 Report

Quoted By: >>15400656

>>15400514

I have a greninja, I've taken down megagarchomps with a single ice beam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:04:24 No.15400587 Report

Quoted By:

>>15397774
is there any way to skill swap it contrary
that be fun to induce rage

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:04:24 No.15400589 Report

Quoted By:

>>15399786
A counter is a Pokémon that can switch in and defeat a Pokémon.

Topsy Turvy Malamar can't even do this if it's lucky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:04:47 No.15400600 Report

Quoted By: >>15400656

>>15400514

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Greninja_(Pok%C3%A9mon)

102 special attack and stab + life orb Greninja kills

Even though he might be able to take a single non stab hit if hes lucky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:04:47 No.15400601 Report

Quoted By:

>>15400549
Most non STAB Ice Beams are 2hkos at best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:05:01 No.15400610 Report

Quoted By: >>15400656

>>15400514
Greninja's STAB Ice Beam OHKOs Dragonite through Multiscale.

This kills the MeGarchomp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:05:28 No.15400627 Report

Quoted By:

>>15399791
>The glorious first few months of DW OU
>Using dragon resist berry Garchomp
>All those rage quits thanks to Ditto not OHKOing

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:05:33 No.15400632 Report

Quoted By:

This thread isn't 'hypothetical matches involving switching in and out' it is 'how would you defeat dragon dance mega garchomp.'

Also I'd use Kyogre.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:06:16 No.15400656 Report

Quoted By: >>15400744

>>15400583
>>15400600
>>15400610

Greninja falls under STABed Ice Beams because Protean.

Like I said, you'd need STAB Ice Beams or a really high Sp.Attack to one shot it on that side.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:06:35 No.15400670 Report

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>>15400419
Try this: prankster whimsicott with encore. Garchomp DDs like in the post top, whimsicott switches in. Encore, leech seed, substitute, gg garchump.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:06:54 No.15400678 Report

Quoted By:

>>15400541
f I sac something then i come in take a hit

This is not considered a counter, And it WOULD take care of the problem, but you keep ignoring the fact you get OHKO's by EQ on the switch. You're dead before you can even topsy turvy.

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:07:12 No.15400690 Report

Quoted By:

>>15400541

>Malamar forces a switch

No it fucking doesn't. The only situation Malamar would even get to do anything is if they're on the field at the same time and like the other anon said you would never dance on a malamar. And if you SWITCH malamar into an already danced garchomp you are going to get OHKO'd

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:07:16 No.15400691 Report

Quoted By:

>>15400572
I admit it would probably be running fire fang/blast, but it is still a possible counter in the off chance it isn't.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:07:29 No.15400703 Report

Quoted By: >>15400752 >>15400789

Am I the only one who hates garchomp as is? I don't like his design so I never use him and he makes it difficult to use a lot of pokemon online just because of his typing in stats.

>NO steel types
>NO electric types
>NO rock types
>NO poison types
>NO pokemon with a base speed of 102 or lower
>NO anything with less than bulky defenses that can't one shot or cripple it
>Think it's running bulkchomp? Fuck you, scarfed
>Think it's scarfchomp? Fuck you, it's bulk

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:08:44 No.15400742 Report

Quoted By:

Lv.1 Swinub with Focus Sash, Endeavor and Ice Shard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:08:50 No.15400744 Report

Quoted By: >>15400864

>>15400656

So what's a good special attack that gets non stabbed ice beam?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:09:01 No.15400752 Report

Quoted By: >>15400782 >>15400872 >>15400907

>>15400703

which is why Smogon banned it. Over centralized the game, etc.

Just play with cloyster, the thing still counters Garchomp, AND can rapid spin

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:10:09 No.15400782 Report

Quoted By:

>>15400752
Garchomp isn't really that broken since we left Gen 4. Even Sand Veil is nerfed now because perma weather is fixed at 5 turns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:10:11 No.15400785 Report

Quoted By:

>protean Greninja Ice Beam
>Expert Belt

Dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:10:14 No.15400789 Report

Quoted By: >>15400845 >>15401229

>>15400703
hence why smogon should just skip the whole "lol guise gahchamp's nawt OP" bit this gen and banish it to ubers from the start

Indrid 1950-8057-0667 [Poison,???]

Indrid 1950-8057-0667 [Poison,???] Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:11:20 No.15400824 Report

Quoted By:

What would be some good moves to Garchomp? im currently breeding gibles but no moves, is that ok?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:11:55 No.15400845 Report

Quoted By: >>15400999

>>15400789
Protean Greninja one shots it cleanly. Mamoswine still murders Chomp's ass without even trying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:12:23 No.15400864 Report

Quoted By:

>>15400744
Specs on anything that has a reason to be using Ice Beam should do the trick. Off the top of my head, Starmie works wonders.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:12:29 No.15400872 Report

Quoted By:

>>15400752
Still Smogon has zero influence over actual games which makes their tier lists null and void. M-Garchomp is going to rape the WFC and there's nothing that could prevent this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:13:53 No.15400907 Report

Quoted By:

>>15400752

Smogon banned it because of sand veil, not because he was strong. And while I do love cloyster, Rotom-W is everywhere right now and it can easily take a rock blast and then do a number on cloyster. Though, I'm actually breeding a Barbaracle right now to deal with talonflame and I'm hoping a cross chop, or at the very least a stone edge, can one shot Rotom-W. I think the better special defense will help too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:16:42 No.15400999 Report

Quoted By: >>15401028

>>15400845

Both of them can only revenge kill, and since neither can actually trap Garchomp he can just switch out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:16:53 No.15401004 Report

Quoted By:

>>15398317
>>15398418

Fucking Focus Band, you braindead shitbags.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:17:48 No.15401028 Report

Quoted By: >>15401105 >>15401106

>>15400999
Greninja is faster than both forms and has a respectable sp.atk on top of its guaranteed stab.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:20:06 No.15401095 Report

Quoted By:

>>15400135
The "legality checkers" are already broken for Gen6

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:20:22 No.15401105 Report

Quoted By: >>15402096

>>15401028

Most greninja's have to run +speed though, maybe a modest Life orb Greninja can OHKO Garchomp, AFTER stealth rocks, but hasty has no chance of a OHKO, unless running choice specs. and with protean, I have never seen a choice specs Greninja, or even a modest/ adamant one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:20:23 No.15401106 Report

Quoted By:

>>15401028

He can't switch in on Garchomp and there are a lot of things that could easily counter him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:21:53 No.15401156 Report

Quoted By:

Use a Fairy-type LOL

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:24:40 No.15401229 Report

Quoted By:

>>15400789
That would be stupid because we have yet to see how much of an impact fairy types will actually have on the meta. Togekiss is immune to both of Garchomps stabs for example. I'm not saying fairy type moves/pokemon will matter, i'm just saying it needs more time to prove itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:27:16 No.15401320 Report

Quoted By:

>>15400402
>loses
>Full HP Garchomp switched out

sure

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:28:48 No.15401367 Report

Quoted By:

>>15398418
It's a Kyurem-B tier mixed attacker with a non-shit typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:30:46 No.15401435 Report

Quoted By: >>15401712

>Malamarr
>No Resistances
>1 Immunity
>1 2x weakness
>1 4x weakness

LOL, him getting super power was his ONLY saving grace, his 2 stabs so literally pitiful 70BP damage, and he's still slow as sin.

Basically nothing more then a really good in-game mon'

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:35:45 No.15401593 Report

Quoted By:

>Delibird used Icy Wind

gg no re

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:37:07 No.15401636 Report

Quoted By: >>15401726

>>15400135

The data is the fucking same you retard. They can't "improve" legality filters to check data that isn't there. ALL the data associated with a pokemon is right there and can be edited to be whatever gets them past the checks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:39:30 No.15401712 Report

Quoted By:

>>15401435
Psychic/Dark is a really interesting typing, they pretty much cancel each other out. It also has a fun gimmick.
But yeah, it might surprise people on occasion and manage to pull a win, and maybe abuse some trick room/double battle shenanigans but it isn't really a spectacular Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:39:52 No.15401726 Report

Quoted By: >>15401763 >>15401771 >>15401787

>>15401636

Origin you fucking dumbass. Pokemon come from somewhere, if it wasn't on your or ANYONE else's gamecard, then gg.

no re

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:41:06 No.15401763 Report

Quoted By: >>15402092

>>15401726

That can be editing too to match the gamecard, smart one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:41:27 No.15401771 Report

Quoted By: >>15402092

>>15401726

Yup, you are retarded.

What in the world makes you believe that hackers don't just type in an appropriate origin as well? Do you think this is some magical shit that can't be changed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:42:05 No.15401787 Report

Quoted By: >>15402092

>>15401726
How do you check everyone else's gamecard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:46:15 No.15401912 Report

Quoted By:

>>15400402

You dont lose mega from switching out. You would still have a full health Mega Garchomp ready to come back in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:48:16 No.15401977 Report

Quoted By:

Scarfed Protean Greninja with icebeam

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:52:25 No.15402092 Report

Quoted By: >>15402687 >>15402907

>>15401787
>>15401771
>>15401763

It'll filter out Pokemon without actual origins. the checkers for Gen 5 only take into account the location data, but it ignores the OBVIOUS fact it had to originate from somewhere, be EV trained, and aqquired at a certain date and time. if you pokegenned off the GTS, it will likely fail if they filter WHERE you got the pokemon from, and auto ban anything from fake GTS's.

It's that simple, but don't take my word for it, Just let me laugh to my hearts content when Pokebank comes online.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:52:40 No.15402096 Report

Quoted By:

>>15401105
My naive life orbed greninja one shots bulk chomps no problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:53:01 No.15402105 Report

Quoted By: >>15402168

Really pisses me off when it's obvious that Game Freak is playing favorites. Can't stand this fucking OP faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:54:51 No.15402149 Report

Quoted By:

>>15400460
No one online is using hazards because they usually aren't worth the effort to set up in 3v3 battles.

Also I was under the impression that only swanna gets Defog at this point in time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:55:27 No.15402168 Report

Quoted By: >>15402259

>>15402105
>Favorites
>M-Manetric

It's gonna be a mix of super popular Pokemon/ pokemon that ACTUALLY need it. with the eventual goal of every fully evolved pokemon getting a Mega as new games get released.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:56:23 No.15402196 Report

Quoted By:

>>15400111
Truly a retard.

Let's assume that you do sacrifice your Poke to the Garchomp. It does negligible damage to it while Chomp sets up an SD/DD, and proceeds to finish your guy next turn. Then you bring in your Malamar which, assuming there are not rocks/spikes on the field, lives with a sash and uses Topsy Turvy. Okay, now what? You think Malamar's going to do over 50% damage to Garchomp with any neutral attack with its raw power alone? Fuck no. It gets in an attack that does like 40% to Chomp (even less if it's Mega'd) and faints next turn. Congratulations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:57:18 No.15402219 Report

Quoted By:

>>15398422
Iron Head and you dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 21:58:46 No.15402259 Report

Quoted By:

>>15402168
>Mega Luvdisc coming in 2031

Can't wait.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:02:07 No.15402353 Report

Quoted By: >>15402392 >>15402422 >>15402426 >>15402471

You're in the bar and Garchomp slaps your Lilligant's ass, what do you do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:03:41 No.15402392 Report

Quoted By: >>15402447 >>15402510

>>15402353

Why would a plant need a bed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:04:30 No.15402422 Report

Quoted By:

>>15402353
I calm my Garchomp down so he doesn't kill the furfaggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:04:40 No.15402426 Report

Quoted By:

>>15402353

Dress up like a tranny and throw ice at him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:05:19 No.15402447 Report

Quoted By:

>>15402392
It's a flower bed, dummy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:05:57 No.15402471 Report

Quoted By:

>>15402353

>Implying I'm not the Lilligant

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:07:01 No.15402496 Report

Quoted By: >>15402519 >>15402586

What can m-garchomp really do against togekiss?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:07:25 No.15402510 Report

Quoted By:

>>15402392
For sex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:07:49 No.15402519 Report

Quoted By: >>15402613

>>15402496
Poison jab.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:09:39 No.15402586 Report

Quoted By:

>>15402496
rockslide

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:10:35 No.15402613 Report

Quoted By: >>15402654 >>15402690

>>15402519
You really think garchomp will start running poison jab to deal with fairies? that's a lot of coverage lost for a SE attack that is just 10 BP higher than STAB EQ. i guess if togekiss goes OU it might be necessary though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:11:38 No.15402654 Report

Quoted By: >>15403198

>>15402613
Garchomps run Stone Edge a lot. If it doesn't miss, it does even more damage than Poison Jab to a Togekiss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:12:24 No.15402687 Report

Quoted By: >>15403116

>>15402092

You are still too stupid to understand this?

Hackers who know what they are doing don't create pokemon without an origin numbnuts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:12:27 No.15402690 Report

Quoted By: >>15403021

>>15402613
SE on Azumarill as well. I only advocate poison jab due to it being required on my main nigga Scrafty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:20:03 No.15402907 Report

Quoted By: >>15403116

>>15402092
Do you even understand what you're saying?
Please define your "where". There's only the OT, hidden OT and the catch/hatch location and they can all be modified to look legal on pokegen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:23:30 No.15403021 Report

Quoted By:

>>15402690
Azumarill gets hit nearly as hard by earthquake anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:24:25 No.15403054 Report

Quoted By:

>>15397774
Prankster will-o-wisp, followed up by a bulky staller, roar, focus sash ice beam

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:25:14 No.15403089 Report

Quoted By:

>>15397774
on the turn he dragon dances i trick room. Now i use some blizzard from some poke. Lots of options doesn't matter which

Robert 0473-7776-0862 [Spritzee, Togepi, Floette]

Robert 0473-7776-0862 [Spritzee, Togepi, Floette] Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:25:22 No.15403096 Report

Quoted By: >>15403239

Can someone do damage calcs to see if a dazzling gleam off an Alakazam can OHKO a Mega Garchomp? If possible, I want to see it with life orb, choice specs, and choice scarf.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:26:08 No.15403116 Report

Quoted By: >>15403268 >>15403288 >>15403466

>>15402907
>>15402687

I'm not talking about the OT or original OT I'm talking about, and what cannot be hacked onto any of those Poke Genned 'mons.

when you actually OBTAIN a pokemon the game logs where/ how you got it. Hatching an egg, receiving it from a person, wifi, GTS, catching it in the wild, etc.

this is something that happens at the very END of the whole process, and cannot be rewritten by Pokegen. All Pokebank needs to do is shee if it had lived life ANYWHERE, just ONE place outside a Fake GTS to see if it actually is legal.

If it had never been on a genuine BW/BW2 cart before being uploaded to that fake GTS, obviously fake.

So, I'll say this again:
>gg no re

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:27:26 No.15403164 Report

Quoted By: >>15403220 >>15403279

Guys, what if Klefki had levitate?
> immune to dragon, poison or ground

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:28:33 No.15403198 Report

Quoted By: >>15403282

>>15402654
Agreed. Still, I feel like scarf togekiss might be a really big threat to chomp, especially since it outspeeds every big form of chomp, and with 252 satk it then does this vs 192 HP mega chomp:

Air Slash for 33% health and flinch

Dazzling Gleam for 70% KO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:29:19 No.15403220 Report

Quoted By:

>>15403164

>Take away the only ability that made it useful

do you LIKE making a pokemon worse just to let it still get OHKO'd by Mold Breaker Haxorus?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:29:55 No.15403239 Report

Quoted By: >>15403781

>>15403096
252 SpA Alakazam (Move 1) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD (custom): 188-222 (52.51 - 62.01%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam (Move 1) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD (custom): 244-289 (68.15 - 80.72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Alakazam (Move 1) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD (custom): 282-332 (78.77 - 92.73%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

As always, Life Orb is best option. Never run choiced 'Zam. Always use Life Orb or Focus Sash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:30:46 No.15403268 Report

Quoted By: >>15403321

>>15403116
>people learn how to hack in previous home data
Now what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:31:07 No.15403279 Report

Quoted By:

>>15403164
It's a shame the game tells you if the opponent uses Air Balloon as the held item. Would make for a perfect held item for it otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:31:15 No.15403282 Report

Quoted By:

>>15403198
oh, well that was dumb, i forgot scarf can't change moves, nevermind. hmm...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:31:27 No.15403288 Report

Quoted By: >>15403321

>>15403116
Except the pokemon doesn't actually log all that shit, only where it was caught or born.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:32:36 No.15403321 Report

Quoted By: >>15403547

>>15403288
>>15403268

But it will. Which is the whole process of how the Pokebank will check legality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:37:18 No.15403466 Report

Quoted By: >>15403602

>>15403116

you are literally retarded

no joke

>when you actually OBTAIN a pokemon the game logs where/ how you got it. Hatching an egg, receiving it from a person, wifi, GTS, catching it in the wild, etc

all this stuff can be edited in Pokegen

enjoy your tears come December moron

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:40:26 No.15403547 Report

Quoted By: >>15403678

>>15403321
Cracked and fake pokebank when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:41:51 No.15403602 Report

Quoted By: >>15403811

>>15403466

why would I when I already have almost 2 whole boxes filled with 5-6 IV Pokemon and 1690 Single/ 1710 Double/ 1580 Triple Ratings right now and enjoying the game at it's fullest?

And it will continue come January when everyone's Pokegenned shit doesn't transfer over.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:44:09 No.15403678 Report

Quoted By:

>>15403547

when you start paying 15$ a month to access the Black market Pokebank

People, including you, will still do it obviously. Muh pokemons! Much perfect IV Genecects!

Robert 0473-7776-0862 [Spritzee, Togepi, Floette]

Robert 0473-7776-0862 [Spritzee, Togepi, Floette] Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:47:39 No.15403781 Report

Quoted By: >>15403860

>>15403239

>Alakazam can't OKHO mega garchomp
>Alakazam can't outspeed mega gengar

I feel like my team plans for this gen are falling apart...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:48:32 No.15403811 Report

Quoted By: >>15403876

>>15403602

except everyone's Pokegenned shit WILL transfer over and we've told you a million times why. you're just too retarded and ignorant of how the hack checking works, and how Pokegen works, to understand why you're wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:50:21 No.15403860 Report

Quoted By: >>15403965

>>15403781
What about mega alakazam?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:50:58 No.15403876 Report

Quoted By: >>15404000 >>15404150 >>15404331 >>15404445 >>15404575

>>15403811

Pokegen creates something from literally nothing

this has to have a flaw in it, changing values mask the issue and won't prevent it from ever being 100%, 100% legit. You'll always miss something.

just becuaser your "Black market" legality checkers says its okay, doesn't mean the ACTUAL legality checkers will.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:50:59 No.15403877 Report

Quoted By:

>>15397774
stab ice shard

Robert 0473-7776-0862 [Spritzee, Togepi, Floette]

Robert 0473-7776-0862 [Spritzee, Togepi, Floette] Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:53:33 No.15403965 Report

Quoted By: >>15404012 >>15404233

>>15403860
It gets rid of Magic Guard for increase speed and sp. atk, but it's not like it gains much bulk so it still just insta-dies to priority (and without Magic Guard entry hazards).

I wanna say there are better mega pokemon for your team, but I'm still trying to find one for myself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:54:44 No.15404000 Report

Quoted By:

>>15403876
Pokegen also allows to to modify pre-existing Pokemon as well. Worst comes to worse some guy just catches a Pokemon then edits it to whatever he wants.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:55:03 No.15404012 Report

Quoted By: >>15404233 >>15404257

>>15403965

>Trace
>Not switching into M-Kanga for parental bond
>Sub as he trys to sucker punch
>Sweep team

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:57:26 No.15404087 Report

Quoted By:

use protect and sub to accumulate speed boosts with Ninjask, then baton pass to aurorus for an ice-type hyper beam when Chomp dances again to keep up

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:58:50 No.15404139 Report

Quoted By: >>15405628

Moonblast. Tank hit. Moonblast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 22:59:16 No.15404150 Report

Quoted By:

>>15403876
>continuing to spout bullshit in a lost battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 23:01:56 No.15404233 Report

Quoted By: >>15404311

>>15403965
this >>15404012
but why would you mega on something that doesn't have an awesome ability? pick your battles.

Robert 0473-7776-0862 [Spritzee, Togepi, Floette]

Robert 0473-7776-0862 [Spritzee, Togepi, Floette] Wed 30 Oct 2013 23:02:48 No.15404257 Report

Quoted By:

>>15404012
Trace has its moments, but it is inconsistent and not worth it. The actual chances of that happening is next to zero, and substitute would still fall and he would still be hit by the second sucker punch the next turn, meaning he still only just loses to priority moves.

Robert 0473-7776-0862 [Spritzee, Togepi, Floette]

Robert 0473-7776-0862 [Spritzee, Togepi, Floette] Wed 30 Oct 2013 23:04:40 No.15404311 Report

Quoted By: >>15404672

>>15404233
the problem is that you just lose out on an item slot. The biggest problems with megas right now is that they lose the item slot, and actually lose out on damage because of it. I'd be happier with a life orb revenge killer Alakazam with the potential to late-game sweep instead of a potential mega alakazam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 23:05:30 No.15404331 Report

Quoted By:

>>15403876
All pokemon data come from nothing but math formulas. All you need to do is recreate the numbers. There is no maskng or anything. It creates data that completely and absolutely matches the data of any legal pokemon. It cannot tell the difference if I catch a weedle on route 1 or if I pokegen a weedle and say that it was caught on route 1 and enter all the other values that a legit weedle would have and set all the IVs to max and make it shiny.
There is no magic or hidden anything in it.
As long as you know the values the pokemon is stored in you can make it 100%

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 23:09:23 No.15404445 Report

Quoted By:

>>15403876

This isn't some fantasy hacker world where there's always a mistake waiting to trip up the hacker you mongoloid.

All of a pokemon's data takes up a specific set of bytes. 128 bytes or something. All of these bytes are mapped out so we know what each bit they contain does. There are no secret tricks here fuckskull, only hard data that can be changed to be exactly like a legit pokemon, making it for all intents and purposes real.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 23:11:56 No.15404520 Report

Quoted By:

Ha

Instead of that Gamefreak decides to make version of Galewings for Ground Types like Excadrill and Garchomp

What do you do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 23:12:31 No.15404537 Report

Quoted By:

>>15397774

Focus Sash on a Pokemon that has both Shadow Tag and Destiny Bond.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 23:13:53 No.15404575 Report

Quoted By:

>>15403876
Can't you just use this menu for that

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 23:14:14 No.15404591 Report

Quoted By:

>>15397774
Haze

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 23:17:16 No.15404672 Report

Quoted By: >>15405057

>>15404311
the item slot is annoying but i feel certain sets (pain split mawile for example) benefit from mega anyway. strategy plays a big part in megaevolving, magic bounce absol, defense increases and type changes, even trace, use it at the right time and you can go from losing to winning in one turn.

Robert 0473-7776-0862 [Spritzee, Togepi, Floette]

Robert 0473-7776-0862 [Spritzee, Togepi, Floette] Wed 30 Oct 2013 23:29:01 No.15405057 Report

Quoted By:

>>15404672
It's not that I'm saying there are no good megas, just that Alakazam probably isn't the best candidate for it.

still trying to figure out the mega for my team, though. I'm excluding scizor since it will probably be banned, and gengar for the same reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 23:46:18 No.15405628 Report

Quoted By:

>>15404139
Literally the only Fairies that can do that are Xerneas and Togikiss.

Anonymous

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