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Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:07:20 No.15412699 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>15412839 >>15412865 >>15412894 >>15413138 >>15413928 >>15415714 >>15421608 >>15422546

What is the best counter for this fucker right here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:08:46 No.15412768 Report

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Xerneas

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:09:38 No.15412801 Report

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A bigger and better Dragon.

Wolf 4167-4504-6684 ICE (Snorunt, Dewgong, Bergmite)

Wolf 4167-4504-6684 ICE (Snorunt, Dewgong, Bergmite) Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:10:05 No.15412821 Report

Quoted By: >>15412890

My Talonflame has had no trouble taking them down. Acrobatics is a guaranteed 2HKO. Even with Gooey activated, Priority Acrobatics rocks his world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:10:28 No.15412839 Report

Quoted By: >>15412906

>>15412699
Physical fairy.

Desudro 3480-2564-4719 (beartic, snover)

Desudro 3480-2564-4719 (beartic, snover) Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:10:57 No.15412860 Report

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physical dragons id say
earthquake is non-contact

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:11:05 No.15412865 Report

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>>15412699
Any physical attacker with at least Neutral STAB. Heracross can wear it down easily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:11:50 No.15412890 Report

Quoted By: >>15413046

>>15412821
>Counter
>Talonflame

Talonflame can't switch in without dying with the next hit.

That's not a counter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:11:58 No.15412894 Report

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>>15412699
Any heavy physical hitter.

Shiroh 0173-2346-3038

Shiroh 0173-2346-3038 Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:12:00 No.15412895 Report

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Granbull

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:12:16 No.15412906 Report

Quoted By: >>15413026 >>15413709

>>15412839
So Azumarill or Mawile? Because that's about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:15:25 No.15413026 Report

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>>15412906
Mawile can't switch into flamethrower. Azumarill will have trouble switching into thunderbolt.

Wolf 4167-4504-6684 ICE (Snorunt, Dewgong, Bergmite)

Wolf 4167-4504-6684 ICE (Snorunt, Dewgong, Bergmite) Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:15:53 No.15413046 Report

Quoted By: >>15413534

>>15412890

Sorry, misinterpreted the OP. I've had people throw out a Goodra AFTER my Talonflame revenge killed a previous Pokemon. In that case, Talonflame easily 2HKO's Goodra. But yea, you're right, he can't switch in without being 2HKO'd again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:18:02 No.15413138 Report

Quoted By: >>15413198

>>15412699
Garchomp, Haxorus
High attack because sp atk won't do shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:19:40 No.15413198 Report

Quoted By: >>15425675 >>15425922

>>15413138
Goodra knows ice beam so Garchomp can't afford to switch in. Haxorus probably doesn't like an ice beam to the face either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:21:48 No.15413276 Report

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Why is this thing so versatile? I've seen plenty of sets that make good use of all of its abilities and moves.

Also, what's a good offensive set for this thing? I've been using a trapping set, and it works alright. But I want to try something new.

Franny 5043-2360-2567

Franny 5043-2360-2567 Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:27:24 No.15413534 Report

Quoted By: >>15413575 >>15413622

>>15413046
How weird because my Goodra oneshots Talonflames.

Went full offense on him as a mixed attacked with a bit of natural bulk. working out ok but he would be replaced if I did not like him so much

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:27:26 No.15413535 Report

Quoted By: >>15413569 >>15413627

as if it's a hard decision. great sp. atk, sp. def, and speed. it's a fairy type too, good against dragons

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:28:41 No.15413569 Report

Quoted By: >>15413734

>>15413535
in fact i've been breeding ralts for IVs, i can give ya a good one for a fair trade

Franny 5043-2360-2567

Franny 5043-2360-2567 Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:28:54 No.15413575 Report

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>>15413534
By mixed attacker I mean coverage moves.

Full SP.atk and something, not quite sure probably HP.

Just to clarify that I am not using physical attcks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:30:13 No.15413622 Report

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>>15413534

Well I damn near maxed out my Talonflame's HP (160 something EV's), 252 Attack, and dumped the rest in speed. Figured he was already pretty fast, and I'd be using priority flying moves anyway, so being extremely speedy wasn't important to me. His added bulk let him survive a T-Bolt from a mixed Goodra and (as I said before) 2HKO it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:30:23 No.15413627 Report

Quoted By: >>15413678 >>15422374

>>15413535
From the physical side Goodra learns Outrage, Power Whip, Earthquake, Aqua Tail. I doubt Gradevoir can take Power Whip or Earthquake off 100 base attack.

Also regular Gardevoir speed ties with it, so even if it goes mega it's not guaranteed to outspeed after switching in.

And assault vest Goodra laughs at Gardevoir's offense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:32:01 No.15413678 Report

Quoted By: >>15413830

>>15413627
>And assault vest Goodra laughs at Gardevoir's offense
Psyshock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:33:08 No.15413709 Report

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>>15412906
If Azumarill take a big hit it won't be able to belly drum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:33:51 No.15413734 Report

Quoted By: >>15413876

>>15413569
How good are we talking?
4 or 5 IVs?
I can offer Mawiles or Litwicks of equal value

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:34:33 No.15413758 Report

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tyranitar?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:36:20 No.15413830 Report

Quoted By: >>15414100

>>15413678
Fair enough. Still doesn't solve Gardevoir being too frail to switch in and not being guaranteed to outspeed though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:37:27 No.15413876 Report

Quoted By: >>15414066

>>15413734
5, 4, 3, what have you. i'll take a litwick

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:38:37 No.15413928 Report

Quoted By:

>>15412699

sylveon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:42:49 No.15414066 Report

Quoted By: >>15414100

>>15413876
Flashfire or Infiltrator?
The only 5IV I have right now is Infiltrator, but it's female. The 4IVs vary in ability. Every one of them is modest in a pokeball
What nature/ability are the ralts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:43:29 No.15414083 Report

Quoted By:

Kangaskhan

Eg !GPlanttyCw

Eg !GPlanttyCw Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:43:30 No.15414084 Report

Quoted By: >>15414184

>tfw Goodra I run is toxic/rain dance/rest/infestation

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:43:53 No.15414100 Report

Quoted By: >>15414185 >>15414211

>>15413830
she does have good sp. def

>>15414066
modest

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:46:07 No.15414184 Report

Quoted By: >>15414254

>>15414084
>not toxic dragon tail
Its like you don't want to poison their whole team.

Abyssmal(Blue) 4785-4753-8934 (Spheal, Sneasel, Lapras)

Abyssmal(Blue) 4785-4753-8934 (Spheal, Sneasel, Lapras) Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:46:11 No.15414185 Report

Quoted By: >>15414248

>>15414100
Works for me
Which ability did you want for the Litwick?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:46:39 No.15414211 Report

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>>15414100
i don't care what i get really, they also have the synchronize and trace abilities

Jonathan 2423-2923-0061 rock (boldore, onix, barbacle)

Jonathan 2423-2923-0061 rock (boldore, onix, barbacle) Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:47:46 No.15414248 Report

Quoted By: >>15414348

>>15414185
doesn't matter

Eg !GPlanttyCw

Eg !GPlanttyCw Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:47:56 No.15414254 Report

Quoted By: >>15414386

>>15414184
I just want to toxic and infestation so it hits for like 5 turns

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:48:56 No.15414301 Report

Quoted By: >>15416671

OP, you're gonna be hard pressed to find a special attacker that can beat Goodra, due to its massive sp.def. That being said, Togekiss has similar bulk due to its typing and take at least 3 ice beam/tbolts before going down. It can return the favor with Roost, Dazzling Gleam and T wave.

Surprisingly, Mr. Mime also fares well against Goodra with access to Psyshock hitting its lower defense stat and Fairy typing. It also has good enough bulk.

Dragonite and Charizard-X are your best bets for Dragon counters, as they both outspeed and Ohko with Outrage.

Cryogonal 2kos with Ice Beam, but i'm not exactly sure how many Goodra run physical attacks. Otherwise its the best available Ice type. Avalugg has to activate sturdy to beat it and therefore cannot directly switch into it

Aegislash drops massive damage with Iron Head + Shadow Sneak.

Assault Vest users like Tyranitar wreck Goodra.

Abyssmal(Blue) 4785-4753-8934 (Spheal, Sneasel, Lapras)

Abyssmal(Blue) 4785-4753-8934 (Spheal, Sneasel, Lapras) Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:49:50 No.15414348 Report

Quoted By: >>15414416

>>15414248
Rad
Then I'll trade the 5 IV one for a 5 IV Ralts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:50:43 No.15414386 Report

Quoted By: >>15414550

>>15414254
Why rain dance though?
I think protect will piss them off way more.

Jonathan 2423-2923-0061 rock (boldore, onix, barbacle)

Jonathan 2423-2923-0061 rock (boldore, onix, barbacle) Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:51:42 No.15414416 Report

Quoted By: >>15414465

>>15414348
sounds good. now if i can just get my internet to work

Abyssmal(Blue) 4785-4753-8934 (Spheal, Sneasel, Lapras)

Abyssmal(Blue) 4785-4753-8934 (Spheal, Sneasel, Lapras) Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:53:18 No.15414465 Report

Quoted By: >>15414673

>>15414416
Cool
Just send a trade request whenever you're ready
I already added you

Eg !GPlanttyCw

Eg !GPlanttyCw Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:56:15 No.15414550 Report

Quoted By: >>15414613

>>15414386
Hydration and Rest for lols

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 03:58:22 No.15414613 Report

Quoted By: >>15415506

>>15414550
You won't fall asleep with Hydration

Jonathan 2423-2923-0061 rock (boldore, onix, barbacle)

Jonathan 2423-2923-0061 rock (boldore, onix, barbacle) Thu 31 Oct 2013 04:00:03 No.15414673 Report

Quoted By: >>15414733

>>15414465
i'm pretty sure they got the same IVs lol

Abyssmal(Blue) 4785-4753-8934 (Spheal, Sneasel, Lapras)

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Abyssmal(Blue) 4785-4753-8934 (Spheal, Sneasel, Lapras) Thu 31 Oct 2013 04:01:27 No.15414733 Report

Quoted By: >>15414787

>>15414673
Thanks mate
And they do, apparently.

Jonathan 2423-2923-0061 rock (boldore, onix, barbacle)

Jonathan 2423-2923-0061 rock (boldore, onix, barbacle) Thu 31 Oct 2013 04:03:22 No.15414787 Report

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>>15414733
lol no problem. i can't wait to train this guy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 04:05:07 No.15414845 Report

Quoted By: >>15415330

why you fuckers never learn what a COUNTER IS ! omg you retards are like cancer

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 04:07:06 No.15414911 Report

Quoted By:

Probably Garchomp or Salamence using outrage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 04:19:20 No.15415330 Report

Quoted By:

>>15414845
:^)

Eg !GPlanttyCw

Eg !GPlanttyCw Thu 31 Oct 2013 04:24:39 No.15415506 Report

Quoted By: >>15415655

>>15414613
Did they change that? I used to do that on my Dewgong ;-;

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 04:29:38 No.15415655 Report

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>>15415506
No they didn't, the other guy is just a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 04:31:50 No.15415714 Report

Quoted By: >>15419437

>>15412699
I'd say mawile counters it pretty well

OP Thu 31 Oct 2013 05:08:42 No.15416671 Report

Quoted By:

>>15414301

I just looked up Cryogonal and I was pretty impressed with its special defense. I've never used one before so what would be a decent build for it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 06:49:55 No.15419437 Report

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>>15415714
Mawile is slower and can't take Flamethrowers/Fire Blasts. Sucker Punch won't do enough unboosted if you're going to try that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 06:59:00 No.15419631 Report

Quoted By: >>15419910 >>15422496

Goodra build?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 07:06:21 No.15419798 Report

Quoted By:

How's Froslass looking these days? She was my dragonslayer in 4th and 5th gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 07:12:40 No.15419910 Report

Quoted By:

>>15419631
Goodra@Chesto Berry
Gooey
252 HP 252 SpA 4 SPE
>Rest
>Thunderbolt
>Flamethrower
>Draco Meteor (which I will probably swap out in the near future)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 08:48:25 No.15421608 Report

Quoted By: >>15421800 >>15422165 >>15422297

>>15412699
any dragon move ever, Ice Beam

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 09:01:06 No.15421800 Report

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>>15421608
Ice Beam does jack squat against Goodra.. Anything physical will badly damage it, Like an Outrage from a Salamence/Garchomp or Stone Miss from a Terrakion/Lucario.

Thatoneguy: 4270-1090-8801 (Ponyta, Pyroar, ???)

Thatoneguy: 4270-1090-8801 (Ponyta, Pyroar, ???) Thu 31 Oct 2013 09:26:08 No.15422165 Report

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>>15421608
i stuck that on my poliwhirl to balance him out more

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 09:30:04 No.15422223 Report

Quoted By: >>15422287

Anything sporting a powerful SE physical move off a not piss weak attack stat.

Jesus christ this isn't rocket science.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 09:35:56 No.15422287 Report

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>>15422223
>Anything sporting a powerful SE physical move off a not piss weak attack stat.

/thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 09:37:11 No.15422297 Report

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>>15421608
that's like using Aura Sphere on Blissey

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 09:43:22 No.15422374 Report

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>>15413627
Gardevoir can take an earthquake from a garchomp and still have a few HP left, you'd be surprised.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 09:48:05 No.15422414 Report

Quoted By: >>15422503

Avalugg, pretty much anything dragon/ice/fairy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 09:52:48 No.15422464 Report

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Every other dragon.
That ugly shit dies to a physical tap on the shoulder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 09:55:49 No.15422496 Report

Quoted By:

>>15419631
Goodra @Assault Vest
Mild 188HP/SD 134SA Hydration/Gooey
Eq, Ice Beam, T/bolt, Power Whip

Making this my go-to set until something better comes along

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 09:56:37 No.15422503 Report

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>>15422414
Goodra has more speed that Avalugg and will OHKO Avalugg with a high powered special move... Avalugg's Special Defense is abysmal. Can't survive anything.

SAGE

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SAGE Thu 31 Oct 2013 10:00:11 No.15422546 Report

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>>15412699
Wigglytuff

Kester 5300-9533-1556 Grass - Sunkern, Ivysaur, Gogoat

Kester 5300-9533-1556 Grass - Sunkern, Ivysaur, Gogoat Thu 31 Oct 2013 10:28:14 No.15422840 Report

Quoted By: >>15425125

i have a 5IV goomy gooey with Counter
have a Bold and Calm nature

any good builds that make use of counter?

Wolf 4167-4504-6684 ICE (Snorunt, Bergmite, Dewgong)

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Wolf 4167-4504-6684 ICE (Snorunt, Bergmite, Dewgong) Thu 31 Oct 2013 12:58:47 No.15425125 Report

Quoted By: >>15425512

>>15422840

Personally, I don't see much use for Counter on a Gooey Goomy because after the opponenent figures out you have Gooey, they won't really want to attack you head on. Also, most people would tell you to stick with Calm and make him a special tank that can dish out damage. Add on an assault vest and your opponent is pretty much screwed.

That being said, would you be interested in trading for a bold one? I have a calm one and it works great as a special tank. I'm just interested in seeing how a Bold one would perform in battle.

Even if you have a 4IV one, that'd be cool since I could just breed it with my 5IV one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:19:50 No.15425512 Report

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>>15425125
>they won't really want to attack you head on

Oh, I beg to differ kind sir on the "Gooey" part.
Gooey drops speed by one stage. Barely a difference at all considering the fact most dragons can OHKO with Outrage. Gooey is very "situational" Even after getting "Gooed" Salamence/Garchomp will still be faster.

Goodra is a free kill for any high powered physical attacker with an SE Physical move. Salamence/Garchomp can OHKO a defense trained one with Outrage Life Orb or not. I bet other physical attackers could do the same also.. Stone Miss dents Goodra very badly and it isn't a contact move despite it being physical.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:30:20 No.15425675 Report

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>>15413198
Goodra is also really slow an doesn't have a hope in hell against those two without a held item.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:44:14 No.15425922 Report

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>>15413198
Goodra will get wrecked by those two. It's defense is mediocre. Haxorus, Salamence, and Garchomp both have more speed and fucktons of attack. They can OHKO it with Outrage.

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