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Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 11:44:36 No.15423955 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>15424324 >>15425503 >>15426139

So is it best to build him defensive or offensive?

Attack boosting nature or Defense boosting?

252 evs in HP
The rest?

I think Smogon's looks good
Brave
252 HP & 252 Attack
Swords Dance
Kings Shield
Shadow Sneak
Iron Head

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 11:47:18 No.15423998 Report

Quoted By: >>15424072 >>15424109 >>15424440

It's amazing how peoples opinions change on s shitty design when the pokemon is good at battling

>I think Smogon's looks good
fucking smogonfags

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 11:52:40 No.15424072 Report

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>>15423998
It's more too do with it having an interesting gimmick and being fun to play

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 11:55:01 No.15424109 Report

Quoted By: >>15424127 >>15425791

>>15423998
>Fucking smogonfags
What? He looked to an online community for their ideas on making a fun/useful set? Why is that demanding hostility?

I get that people dislike the way smogon operates and a lot of the community, but blind hate just makes you a prick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 11:55:59 No.15424127 Report

Quoted By: >>15424273 >>15425282 >>15425845

>>15424109
Going on smogon doesn't make you smogonfag

Placing value on a pakemon based on it's battle capacity is what makes you a smogonfag

Blake 1349-5854-8047

Blake 1349-5854-8047 Thu 31 Oct 2013 12:03:35 No.15424239 Report

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don't use the swords dance set it sucks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 12:05:05 No.15424273 Report

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>>15424127
fair enough, but new players have to start somewhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 12:08:02 No.15424324 Report

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>>15423955
Run a mixed set to fuck around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 12:13:54 No.15424440 Report

Quoted By: >>15424720 >>15425791

>>15423998
>Hey this guy went to a certain website!
>I fucking hate him!
The wonderfully ironic thing about people like this?
>Upset at a community for being hostile and closed-minded
>First person to become hostile once that community is mentioned, to both people in AND outside of the community
They're literally even more judgmental and cancerous than the people they hate.

Aside: Boost his attack, you want it so when you finally come out from behind his shield that you can hit them hard. Sometimes you can get two attacks in a row if you pair with shadow sneak, but when his shield goes down, you're vulnerable so the defense won't help you much there since it's inverted. Aegis is fun, try a few practice matches with that set you got right there then you'll instantly see what he needs. He's fun and powerful once you know how to use him!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 12:31:52 No.15424720 Report

Quoted By: >>15424770

>>15424440
Shadow Sneak is for killing stuff, if you don't think you'll get the kill then stay behind the shield and boost

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 12:35:33 No.15424770 Report

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>>15424720
Yeah exactly, say you iron head, and leave something with 14% HP, you toss a shadow sneak in to finish them off, then next turn go behind your shield, or while they waste a turn THINKING you'll go behind your shield. do another attack, also followed by shadow sneak. Can't tell you how satisfying it is when that happens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 12:38:59 No.15424823 Report

Quoted By: >>15424841 >>15424863

So is Aiegslash the ONLY OU pokemon of gen VI?

The only other contenders I can think of are Goodra and MAYBE Noiveryn

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 12:40:26 No.15424841 Report

Quoted By: >>15425405 >>15426345

>>15424823
Greninja and Talonflame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 12:41:38 No.15424863 Report

Quoted By: >>15425374 >>15425405

>>15424823
Klefki has a pretty annoying set that can be difficult to counter, Greninja is pretty much Starmie: Part 2, Talonflame is Staravia, or whatever that bird's final evo is: Part 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:08:23 No.15425282 Report

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>>15424127
And placing value on a pokemon based on its appearance alone makes you a shallow tool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:12:53 No.15425374 Report

Quoted By: >>15426143

>>15424863
>Greninja is pretty much Starmie: Part 2
Bullshit
Geninjas move-pool is shit
not electric attacks and attack stats suck

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:14:17 No.15425405 Report

Quoted By: >>15425492

>>15424841
>>15424863
Talon Flame will get ruined by stealth rock and Kings Shield

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:18:51 No.15425492 Report

Quoted By: >>15425641

>>15425405
Not really, that thing has priority roost and it can force a switch very easily with priority BB being a possibility. King's Shield can be gotten around by just using SD on the protect turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:19:22 No.15425503 Report

Quoted By: >>15425662 >>15425679 >>15425817 >>15425874 >>15426503

>>15423955
The best Aegislash set is a mixed one. A physical set is hardwalled by Skarmory but people seem to forget it has base 150 SpAtk to abuse and even an uninvested Shadow Ball 2HKOs Skarm.

Aegislash @ Spooky Plate
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Brave Nature
- Shadow Sneak
- Shadow Ball
- Sacred Sword
- King's Shield

The set was mentioned in the SmogCast as being the best set. Obviously make sure you have proper support for it and don't just throw it on a team because it's good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:27:53 No.15425641 Report

Quoted By: >>15425672

>>15425492
It becomes a prediction battle

Talon flame goes for SD, you hit with a SD of your own and then Shadow Sneak the enxt turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:29:06 No.15425662 Report

Quoted By: >>15425679 >>15425688 >>15425693

>>15425503
Shadow Ball AND Sneak?

I'd rather have Swords Dance or Iron Head than Shadow Ball

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:30:01 No.15425672 Report

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>>15425641
Well, with Aegislash is always a prediction battle. Will it SD, protect or attack?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:30:27 No.15425679 Report

Quoted By: >>15425712

>>15425662
I guess you just like being straight out walled by Skarm and every other physical wall in the game?

>>15425503
>>15425503
Definitely the best set imo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:30:52 No.15425688 Report

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>>15425662
I agree with you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:31:13 No.15425693 Report

Quoted By: >>15425736

>>15425662
.The best Aegislash set is a mixed one. A physical set is hardwalled by Skarmory but people seem to forget it has base 150 SpAtk to abuse and even an uninvested Shadow Ball 2HKOs Skarm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:32:00 No.15425712 Report

Quoted By: >>15425728 >>15425732

>>15425679
>I guess you just like being straight out walled by Skarm and every other physical wall in the game?
Swords Dance to the moon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:33:06 No.15425728 Report

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>>15425712
>implying ANY Skarm set would let someone boost in their face
Holy shit, please stop having aopinions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:33:16 No.15425732 Report

Quoted By: >>15425760

>>15425712
whirlwinded cya m8 :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:33:48 No.15425736 Report

Quoted By: >>15425793

>>15425693
No SD to go with the Shadow Sneak and huge attack seems like a massive waste

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:34:53 No.15425760 Report

Quoted By: >>15425780 >>15425793

>>15425732
Free switch, problem solved

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:35:56 No.15425780 Report

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>>15425760
More like racking up free entry hazzard damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:36:39 No.15425791 Report

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>>15424440
>>15424109
go back to smogon, retards

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:36:46 No.15425793 Report

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>>15425736
You don't have the longevity to boost because you're too slow and boosting Atk wont do anything against the physical walls of OU.

>>15425760
You're an idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:38:07 No.15425817 Report

Quoted By: >>15425851 >>15425920

>>15425503
But steel doesn't resist Ghost anymore, so skarm isn't taking many boosted shadow sneaks anyway

Cosmickaiser 1289 8317 4840

Cosmickaiser 1289 8317 4840 Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:39:55 No.15425845 Report

Quoted By: >>15425889 >>15425898

>>15424127
How? Smogon actually makes all pokes playable regardless of potential, that is the point of tiers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:40:20 No.15425851 Report

Quoted By: >>15425889

>>15425817
I don't think you understand how tanky Skarm is. 40BP neutral physical hits don't bother it, even boosted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:41:23 No.15425874 Report

Quoted By: >>15425920

>>15425503
Iron Head >>>>>>>> Sacred Sword

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:42:26 No.15425889 Report

Quoted By: >>15425920

>>15425845
ALL pokemon are playable, it's only smogon fags who think we need tiers

>>15425851
Don't sell it short, STAB, 150 attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:43:06 No.15425898 Report

Quoted By: >>15425920 >>15426003

>>15425845
top lel you believe this

>p-p-please dont insult my forum! i have over 500 posts there! im a respectable member of the community and go on irc everyday pls dont say meen things
fuck off faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:44:12 No.15425920 Report

Quoted By: >>15426003

>>15425817
+6 252+ Atk (custom) Shadow Sneak vs. 224 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 90-107 (27.52 - 32.72%) -- possible 4HKO
Swords Dance sure is great.

>>15425874
Fighting/Ghost gives (near) perfect coverage. Steel/Ghost does not.

>>15425889
>>15425898
You're retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:45:02 No.15425938 Report

Quoted By: >>15425999 >>15426003 >>15426111

>smogon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXR0-8e1O_c&feature=share&t=1s

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:46:26 No.15425958 Report

Quoted By: >>15425990

>fat autists getting mad that pasty white nerds from smogon 6-0'd their teams of lopunny, gardevoir, braixen, flareon, charizard, and honchkrow

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:48:22 No.15425990 Report

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>>15425958
Fuck of Paul

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:48:42 No.15425999 Report

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>>15425938
that LonleyNess guy is possibly the ugliest person I have ever seen

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:48:47 No.15426003 Report

Quoted By: >>15426063 >>15426106

>>15425898
Strawman to its finest

>>15425938
Better than 90% of /vp/ anyway. Including me ;_;

>>15425920
You forgot the steel nerf tho, which 2HKOes it, but anyway no skarm is letting it setup in its face. Shadow Ball is the preferred option.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:51:39 No.15426063 Report

Quoted By: >>15426111

>>15426003
better at what, pokemon or life?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:53:53 No.15426106 Report

Quoted By: >>15426172

>>15426003
yeah, that makes the +2 sword dance do the same damage as that calc there. So you get in a ~30% hit and are whirlwinded away if you dance on the switch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:54:17 No.15426111 Report

Quoted By: >>15426145 >>15426243

>>15425938
Although it is really long and quite boring at times it's really interesting to hear what some of the best players have to say about the new meta and how they think it'll evolve.

>>15426063
LonelyNess is engaged to be married, are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:56:10 No.15426139 Report

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>>15423955
You want Sacred Sword instead of Iron Head. Ghost+Fighting is perfect coverage. If it's neutral or SE against Ghost, you'll be using Shadow Sneak anyways. Anything that resists or immune to Ghost is hit with SE damage from Fighting. And 2x damage is much better than 1.5x from STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:56:24 No.15426143 Report

Quoted By: >>15426226

>>15425374
He's literally got the same amount of special attack and speed as starmie, with the ability to make ANYTHING a stab. He's not going to be GOD tier, you're fucking retarded thinking he has no potential.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:56:31 No.15426145 Report

Quoted By: >>15426226

>>15426111
>LonelyNess is engaged to be married, are you?
LEL I doubt that, maybe to his online pony or some shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 13:57:54 No.15426172 Report

Quoted By: >>15426226

>>15426106
>Whirlwind
>Mega Charizard comes out
>Wrecks your shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:00:29 No.15426226 Report

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>>15426143
Greninja is actually faster than Starmie but they're not comparable because Starmie is an OU spinner and Greninja is more like a Zoroark with heavy hitting attacks (even if its movepool is pretty shallow) and a strong U-Turn.

>>15426145
>>15426172
b8

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:01:24 No.15426243 Report

Quoted By: >>15426334 >>15426346

>>15426111
>best players
It's pokemon dude
It's a kids game with a high luck element

Being the best CoD player is more brag worthy than this

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:01:49 No.15426248 Report

Quoted By: >>15426281 >>15426334 >>15426342

This has been bugging me, but what beyond being a priority move makes Shadow Sneak better than Shadow Claw?

I ask because, I remember the week or so threads discussions SkillSlash's sets saying that Shadow Sneak wasn't preferable because if you didn't kill whatever you were attacking in one hit, it left you open to getting raped in Blade Forme while Shadow Claw let you take advantage of Shield Forme's defensive boost and be able to tank whatever damage was coming your way then use King's Shield to go back to Shield Forme.

Or am is my casualness just showing and I should be able to get a couple SD's in before Shadow Sneak sweeps whatever comes out...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:03:47 No.15426281 Report

Quoted By: >>15426373

>>15426248
It lets you go

Tank Hit
Hit them for 80%
Kill them with Sneak

without having to tank a hit in sword form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:05:32 No.15426334 Report

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>>15426243
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it but I enjoy playing Pokemon competitively and I want to get better at doing so as should anyone else that wants to play against other people and there is no better way to do it than to learn from the best.

>>15426248
Read a few posts up about Aegislash to get a better understanding of how it works but generally Shadow Sneak is to hit things which you can OHKO real hard before they OHKO you (like Mega Gengar), to secure kills which you just barely failed to finish off and to get a final FUCK YOU before you drop to something that outspeeds you. It's preferable in any situation where you have 3 or more attacking slots available.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:05:52 No.15426342 Report

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>>15426248
Best case scenario
Shadow Sneak
>Kill opponent, no damage taken

Shadow Claw
>Take Damage, Kill Opponent

Don't attack unless you're gonna get the kill

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:05:55 No.15426345 Report

Quoted By: >>15426507

>>15424841
Not Greninja for sure. A sweeper that can't OHKO won't go to OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:05:58 No.15426346 Report

Quoted By: >>15426480

>>15426243
but there are best players. certain smogon users have won multiple large tournaments, and one guy won nintendo's official tournaments like 3 years in a row. that wouldn't happen if there wasn't skill

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:07:03 No.15426373 Report

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>>15426281
Makes sense, I've been ducking around in the Battle Mansion and I guess the whole King's Shield every other turn would get hella predictable and easily taken advantage of by anyone not a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:12:28 No.15426480 Report

Quoted By: >>15426855

>>15426346
Pokemon isn't meant to be "played", it's meant to be enjoyed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:13:37 No.15426503 Report

Quoted By: >>15427369

>>15425503
How good would be having Weakness Policy instead of Spooky Plate? It's what I'm using, but I have to admit that it's quite risky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:13:46 No.15426507 Report

Quoted By: >>15426772

>>15426345
It's meant to be used late game, when the opponent is already weakened enough for the KO. It can also lay down its own spikes and taunt if you want. It's a very versatile pokemon, I honestly don't see how it won't be OU, even if low-end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:15:55 No.15426536 Report

Quoted By: >>15426851

So has anyone tried breeding Pain Split/Will-o-Wisp on him yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:30:25 No.15426772 Report

Quoted By: >>15426975

>>15426507
>>15426507
It wont because spikes is pointless since it cant live, nobody cares for your taunt when everyone is running prankster and finally, if you cant Ohko as a sweeper you're not a fucking sweeper. This whole late game sweeper excuse is lame. Why do you want a late game sweeper when you can just fill the slot with something that wrecks everything early and late game. This pokemon is like Weavile, everyone thought it would be good because its fast but at most it can just do ok damage and OhKo when something is weak to hydro pump.

The faggot gets walled like a bitch and whenever you see it, its just bait for a free switch into a tank. Not only that but he is near useless in 3v3.

He'll go to UU or BL maybe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:34:25 No.15426851 Report

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>>15426536
Will-o-wisp is a waste of a spot

Pain Split seems interesting but is maybe a waste too

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:34:34 No.15426855 Report

Quoted By: >>15426871

>>15426480
Sports aren't meant to be "played", they are meant to be enjoyed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:35:29 No.15426871 Report

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>>15426855
Your neckbeard is showing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:40:19 No.15426975 Report

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>>15426772
I also forgot to mention, nobody cares for your taunt when everybody is running prankster and you die to virtually almost all priority especially mach punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 14:55:58 No.15427276 Report

Quoted By: >>15427369

Just how does the math behind changing forme work?
Does everything move to one stat or only 100?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 15:01:14 No.15427369 Report

Quoted By: >>15427763

>>15426503
It doesn't really have many obvious weaknesses to take advantage of that wont just get it killed. Imo the only good Weakness Policy user is DNite.

>>15427276
What?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 15:19:43 No.15427763 Report

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>>15427369
What this user says is wrong. Weakness policy allows you to bait and setup.

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