Let's talk Talonflame.>Sky Plate >Brave Bird >Flare Blitz >Roost >Tailwind
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bump, hatched a shiny gale wings with max IVs in everything in speed so I need to know too
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>>15449812 Do all flying moves get priority or just attacking moves?
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>sky plate
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>>15449947 >>15449976 Doesn't really matter, I was keeping that as filler until it's confirmed we can get a flying gem, in which case I may swap Brave Bird for Acrobatics.
Or maybe Leftovers to recover from the recoil a bit.
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>Brave bird
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>>15449812 >sky plate at least use life orb if you're running roost OP
also Talonflame is plenty fast he doesn't need Tailwind, Talonflame would be much happier with Swords Dance if you were to have some sort of set-up move with him.
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>>15450049 >afford More like, where the fuck do you find anything but normal gems in XY?
Wolf 4167-4504-6684 ICE (Snorunt, Bergmite, Dewgong)
Wolf 4167-4504-6684 ICE (Snorunt, Bergmite, Dewgong) Fri 01 Nov 2013 03:53:08 No. 15450142 Report I have an Adamant Gale Wings one. I run
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>>15450049 Yeah, because Jirachi's are so fucking common.
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Jirachi is the one thing you need to worry about beating on speed as I remember it;
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>>15449812 I ran that for a while before switching to choice band.
Basically I just found myself mashing the BB button and never using anything else. You don't really have time to rest and you can't tank any hits anyway, because your defenses are paper. While in theory if you're gonna die you can set up a Tailwind for allies, in practice just getting in 1 last BB is almost always better.
>>15450050 See above for tailwind
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>>15450050 I have tailwind on mine just so that if I get cornered and I'm dead for sure I can pop it off with priority so whatever I send out after talonflame dies is faster. It's been helpful a couple times, but lately I find it's just better to kamikaze brave bird than bother with that.
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>>15450169 Once december hits and the pokebank is up, then he'll be back. He'll probably have another distro before terribly long too.
>>15450196 He has no bulk and takes 50% from rocks, having to frequently switch out means he has potentially far less impact on the match if your opponent isn't a complete fucking retard.
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>>15450142 i use precisely this
tailwind might be good though, id happily drop roost or uturn considering this birds job is to die hard and fast and take some enemies with it
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>>15450222 I presume you're talking about Roost here?
If we're talking about 3's, then Rocks is nonexistent anyway. And in 6's his primary purpose is as a revenge killer. You don't switch into something you want to revenge kill and roost on the switch. You Brave Bird to 2HKO the switch or revenge kill whatever it is you came in on, depending on what it was. You don't switch into any attacks with him.
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Gale wings is autopilot.
Wolf 4167-4504-6684 ICE (Snorunt, Bergmite, Dewgong)
Wolf 4167-4504-6684 ICE (Snorunt, Bergmite, Dewgong) Fri 01 Nov 2013 04:01:20 No. 15450385 Report >>15450258 Yea, to be honest, I've never even been able to use Roost. Either I kill the opponent in one or two hits, or I U-turn and get the hell outta there. He really reminds me of Staraptor, but with a bit more longevity.
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>>15450355 >burning a fire type Anonymous
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>>15450385 Swap out roost for swords dance.
If you're certain he'll force a switch then it becomes a godsend as he is nearly unstoppable at +2 and can even fire off flare blitz with little fear of king's shield should your opponent choose Aegislash to try to counter him.
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>>15450416 >reading comprehension Anonymous
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Would Bulk Up be a good alternative to Swords Dance?
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Alright, the moveset is pretty set in stone, what about the speed EV?
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>Using anthing but a Choice Band Talonflame
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>>15451071 252 when jolly is enough to outspeed whatever also uses priority moves
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>using talonshit
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>>15451277 I will after my win streak ends
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>>15451277 What's so bad about it? Gale Wings is honestly a really good ability, allows you to straight up auto-counter plenty of the popular shit you see online right now like MegaChicken.
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>>15451277 Overrated? Yes. Bad? That it isn't. It is, in all seriousness, difficult to say that having access to a 180 BP priority move isn't highly appealing. But Talonflame is just a really nice revenge killer. Its stats and movepool don't lend it to anything else.
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>>15451277 >the best region bird of any game >actually a beast competitively what are you even talking about
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>>15451277 I dunno, he's a pretty amazing counter to every fighting type that isn't Terrakion, obliterates Scizor/Ferro/Skarm/Jirachi, capable of utterly shutting down Volcarona.
The only things that really slow him down and make him regret existing (besides previously mentioned Terrakion) are Rotom-W and Heatran.
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for those that were interesting in using tailwind as a core job for talonflame
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fuck you guys i'm just going 252atk/252speed/6hp
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>>15451460 I know, Gale Wings and all but Volcarona's Fire moves will still take a big fucking bite out of Talonflame.
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Only 2 months till Heatran returns and makes your dumb burd obsolete.
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>>15451524 Uh, no shit? What the fuck else are you going to invest in?
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>>15449970 I hate you. can I get one of the good iv ones with gale off you?
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>>15451532 >implying Volcarona is going to survive a priority Brave Bird lel
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>>15451569 read the OP
>>15451532 i think an anon was saying if you wanted to outrun something like jirachi you'd need at least 182 speed evs. you could honestly stop at like, that ammount or maybe a bit more, then try putting a couple of HP evs in since you'll be dealing with recoil damage
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I'd rather run
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>>15451532 But Volcarona won't be able to survive a priority flying move, so its moves wouldn't be able to take "a big fucking bite".
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>>15451532 Volcarona is not going to survive BraveBird unless you've got max HP and Def and even then there's a chance to OHKO.
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>>15451532 ded in one brave bird
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>>15451652 OP is an idiot, I've covered this
>>15451171 . Anyone advocating the use of Roost on Talonflame needs a dose of buckshot right in the ass.
>>15451642 >>15451718 Why would you leave it in on Talonflame? I'm saying Talonflame can switch in and still risk losing a shitload of life because of of how brittle Talonflame is. Resistances don't quite make up for poor defenses.
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>>15451707 >>15451718 >>15451727 He was probably thinking along the lines of switching Talonflame in instead of sacrificing current pokemon.
Generally speaking though, this is a REALLY bad idea. Especially if you have brave bird and not acrobatics. Talonflame does not have the bulk to take any kind of hit and keep firing off his recoil heavy moveset.
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>>15451771 >my opinion is 100% correct no, theres other ways to use talon flame, OP was asking how many speed ev's he would need because of priority on brave bird
btw your animu pictures are shit
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>>15451844 Make it fast enough to beat Alakazam then. Maybe Greninja. I'd have to see how many EVs it would need to do that but that's an idea to stick with. It's not going to beat a ton of scarfers while non-scarfed anyway. But Greninja's typing, stats, and moveset do not give it a lot of options beyond Choiced revenge killing and maybe SD.
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>>15451771 My roost set works just fine anon.
and talonflame is not brittle at all mate. You must be using him wrong
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>>15451642 coba berry + hp rock is the best lure, kills talonflame everytime
rock slide charizard-Y is also a fantastic lure
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Suggested EV spreads, guys?
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>>15451985 >78/71/69 defenses Anonymous
OP, there are a shit ton of ways to make this guy really good.>Brave boid >Flare Blitz >bulk up >roost use gale wing if you need a counter for megas.
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>>15452115 this is literally the worst advice in the thread
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>>15452050 Still not brittle. Just dont be a retard with it. Play to its strengths and properly switch. I've found that it can tank quite well. Especially with access to bulk up, and priority roost
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>>15452144 Nah, I've won a ton of matches with him man
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>>15452211 Correlation =/= Causation.
Flame Body/Bulky Talonflame is shit and you should feel bad.
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>>15451771 >setting up on talonflame with its shit defenses >keeping damage from recoil just no
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>>15452229 Well, it has served me well.
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>>15452217 Switch roost for tailwind
If you know you're going to die next turn, tailwind to buff up your next sweepers
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>>15452181 >it can tank quite well Jesus what the fuck are you saying. A fucking Caterpie can tank well according to your definition as long as you switch him in on a vacuum wave coming from a fucking Scyther.
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>>15452229 What is your suggested set, bud?
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>>15452302 >Choice Band >Tailwind Pick one.
I guess with life Orb it could work, but I'd rather use Life Orb in my Salamence.
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-Brave Bird
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>>15452334 at least run Gale Wings
since that's why talonflame is even getting discussed as part of ou
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>>15452181 Oh my fucking god. Are you Sil'fer?
>>15452262 >Switch Talonflame into something it can force out >SD on the switch Welcome to Pokemon god damn.
Pokemon like Talonflame are not meant to stick around. They kill shit. They eliminate key targets so that that its team mates can press forward more easily. They don't need to do anything else.
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>>15452321 I guess that is what I mean, isnt it?
Dont be an idiot when using him. Thats all im saying.
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>Brave Bird >Flare Blitz >Tailwind >Swords Dance
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252 atk/252spd/6(anything)>Acrobatics >Flare Blitz >U-turn >Swords Dance/Roost/Steel Wing
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>>15452356 >opponent doesn't switch out >guaranteed ko talonflame needs to start sweeping the moment it comes in
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Admittedly, priority Roost makes a world of difference with Talonflame. A bulky set COULD work. But don't use Flame Body, fuck no.
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Anon "Normal" Kecleon, Lillipup and Eevee 2234 - 8425 - 2804 Fri 01 Nov 2013 05:16:00 No. 15452500 Report >>15449812 What about
EVs: 252 Atk/HP and 6 Speed
Life Orb/Choice Band
>Roost >Brave Bird/Flare Blitz >Fly/Will-o-wisp >U-Turn Or something like that I think I havent run Talonflame yet
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>>15452390 This isn't about "using him well". This is something that is objective. It is numerically quantified. Talonflame has shit defenses. Damn his best asset defensively is Will-O-Wisp anyway.
>>15452417 >Using fucking Tailwind when it is going to outspeed most non-scarfed things anyway. Then again Tailwind extends to allies so that's nice I guess.
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>>15452390 Just because a pokemon resists a move does not mean he can tank. Especially when something is quad weak to pebbles. He is most definitely brittle and just because some moves are shit on him doesn't mean he's any good at taking hits. Whether or not someone uses Talonflame badly has nothing to do with the objective fact that he has shit defenses.
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>>15452483 How are you gonna do any kind of damage with no attack investment, no boosting item, and a really pathetic base?
WoW needs to drop for Swords Dance for any kind of bulky set to work. He only hits like 268 attack with max investment and neutral nature.
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>>15452512 the point of tailwind is to give it to allies
last thing to do if you know you're dead since you have priority, but apparently some are saying it's better to just do bb one last time
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>>15452471 If its something that you think you could force out, most likely it doesnt carry something that could 0hko it
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Adamant 252 att 252 spe
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>>15452539 Same way Sableye does it.
Burn them and then spam recovery. When their HP is low enough, smack 'em with Brave Bird to speed things up.
>WoW needs to drop WoW and priority Roost are the only things that make a bulky set even possible.
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>>15452550 >but apparently some are saying it's better to just do bb one last time It actually is if it means killing something.
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>>15452588 Until we get Flying Gem, Acrobatics is garbage.
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>>15452590 Sableye gets away with it because of Prankster, Taunt, and lack of weaknesses (prior to this gen).
Talonflame has none of those things. A bulky set without a way to actually deal damage will not work.
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Anon "Normal" Kecleon, Lillipup and Eevee 2234 - 8425 - 2804 Fri 01 Nov 2013 05:20:25 No. 15452641 Report Quoted By:
>>15450416 >Toxic or Paralyse They are other choices
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>>15452627 Sableye can go without Taunt.
I use Trick.
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>>15452483 Thank you. All these ass pies are annoying. They think that pokemon can only work the way they use them
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>>15452627 Talonflame only has two weaknesses.
Roost essentially eliminates its weakness to Electricity.
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>>15452698 Yeah, and one of those weaknesses is to a fucking Entry Hazard.
>two weaknesses >Rock, Water, Electric AND THOSE ARE JUST THE FIRST THREE I CAN THINK OF, THERE ARE PROBABLY MORE
Fuck you're dumb.
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>Bulky sets on something that has 78/71/69 defenses and takes 50% from Covert Cobalt
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>>15452730 With Roost? Two.
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Anon "Normal" Kecleon, Lillipup and Eevee 2234 - 8425 - 2804 Fri 01 Nov 2013 05:24:47 No. 15452760 Report Quoted By:
>>15452531 >why? it gets priority with Gale Wing plus it avoids a turn and it can repeat
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>>15452674 >>15452483 You'll still get ohko'd by even a fucking rock tomb.
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>>15452627 Talonflame can still use this set. It has priorty healing (and gets rid of one of its weaknesses)
And it can deal damage. You arent going to 0hko anything of course, but get them low enough, and bravebird/flareblitz
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>>15452737 Use a spinner.
>Two weaknesses Yes. Roost essentially eliminates one of its weaknesses, leaving it with two. Duh.
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>>15452698 >4x to rock >Water >Ground if he's roosting to dodge electricity Water is common as fuck, stone edge is common as fuck, Nidoking'll enjoy fucking with his mind.
>>15452674 His set is garbage and you should feel bad for being stupid enough to fall for it.
>Fuckall bulk >Fuckall attack without boosting it >4x weakness to common as fuck type and deadly fear of so many things. >Set relies on WoW to cripple physical attackers yet with no speed investment has no way to actually get it off before they attack. Anonymous
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>>15452755 >perfectly predicting every single time an opponent will use an electric move >as if Talonflame still won't take shit loads of damage from it Good luck.
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>>15452738 The game is now about bulk
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>>15452768 Yes, that's called weakness.
...That's why you don't keep Ferrothorn in against a Fire-type. Good job, you're learning.
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>>15452737 There are plenty of pokemon that have sr 4x weakness, taht are compeltely viable.
And it only has 2 weaknesses that it has to worry about, with roost
God youre dumb
Am I fitting in? Anonymous
>>15452787 >just use this one Pokemon to make this resoundingly mediocre Pokemon even more mediocre >just use Roost every time you hope they'll use an Electric attack and hope your opponent is too stupid to predict that Anonymous
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>>15452804 126 speed is pretty fucking fast even without investment, actually.
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>>15452698 >Roost essentially eliminates its weakness to Electricity. And a Thunderbolt will still reduce it to a fine red mist because
78 HP
69 SDef
This shit is not salvageable.
>>15452819 And Talonflame ain't got it. You idiots are preaching about playing to a Pokemon's strengths and are doing just the opposite.
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>>15452772 >(and gets rid of one of its weaknesses) It also gains one.
Opponent predicts the roost and bam, you just got 1HKO'd by earthquake for being a stupid fucking faggot.
>Fuckall bulk to begin with >Movepool solely relies on recoil moves >Better sacrifice any ability to 1HKO because surely weakening yourself after every attack won't completely undo any attempts to raise bulk. Anonymous
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>>15449812 You're fucked if someone else uses a priority move and is faster than talonflame
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>>15452768 No shit, faggot. Everything can get ohko'd by a weakness
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>>15452839 >There are plenty of pokemon that have sr 4x Weakness, taht are compeltely viable. And those Pokemon are actually GOOD. Things like Volcarona, Scizor, Heatran, you know, Pokemon that aren't shit.
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>>15452843 >Not being able to predict an Electric attack It's the most obvious fucking thing ever.
You should easily know what gets Wild Charge and what gets Thunderbolt since it's such a big deal for them to get it.
>Hidden Power Doesn't work well unless it's against a 4x weakness and even then it got nerfed to 60 base power.
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>>15452839 >There are plenty of pokemon that have sr 4x weakness, taht are compeltely viable. >Volcarona >... >Bulky Volcarona >uh... >Volcarona? Anonymous
>>15452869 He said SR weakness, not weakness in general.
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>>15452698 Too bad he loses like half his life to Sneaky Stones.
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>>15452820 >as if fire types are the only pokemon with fire moves >as long as you always perfectly predict your opponent, never stay in when something is even remotely powerful, and cripple a poke with already shit attack by investing in HP and defenses, then he totally has enough bulk to be viable! Listen to yourself. Christ.
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>>15452888 That's even worse because there's like one fucking relevant Pokemon with a 4x Stealth Rock weakness.
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>>15452887 Volcarona has high special defense and further boosts it with QD, and can punish physical attackers with Flame Body.
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>>15452857 Ok, it gains a weakness, but if you were fighting something that carried an electric type move, how often would you find one that carries eq? There are a few, ill give you that. You are just a sperglord, who wont admit when hes wrong
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>>15452854 Okay. Calculate how much a neutral Thunderbolt will do from a common user of it considering that the bird will have max special bulk.
Now subtract half of Talonflame's max HP from it because it's using fucking Roost.
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>>15452898 I can't imagine a situation in which an opponent would use an Electric move with me being unaware that's coming. It's a very predictable attacking type.
Unless it's Hidden Power, which wouldn't do jack shit anyway.
And how many situations would the opponent be attacking and you wouldn't be Roosting or taking out the remainder of its HP with priority brave bird?
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>>15452889 I have found that it doesnt even matter too much. Yea, its a bit annoying to switch into, but with roost, its just a small hindrance. Try and force a switch, and roost back to health. Then you can set up or do what ever your shit is designed to do
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>>15452889 Priority. Roost.
You gain that shit back in a single turn before the opponent can do anything.
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>252/252 spreads >acceptable
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>>15452962 The opponent won't give a damn about you roosting when even a x2 SE move will still KO you.
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>>15453007 What do you suggest?
124 HP / 252 Atk / 132 Spe
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>>15453003 Giving them a chance to set up, free switch to counter, or slam your blushiebirds awful defenses even more.
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>>15453017 Talonflame can't be hit by a x2 SE electricity move while Roosting.
There are no priority electric attacks.
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>>15453026 calc exactly what you want to OHKO and out speed, build for it, rest in HP
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>>15453026 This is actually what I used. I can't remember what exact spread I used, but I put neough evs to outspeed a neutral alakazam, and gengar, then threw the rest in hp
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>>15453050 That set is specifically for Jolly/Timid max speed Jirachi, I think.
How fast does an Adamant Talonflame have to be to outspeed max speed Mega Lucario?
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>>15452989 Force a switch from WHAT? WHAT ARE YOU SWITCHED INTO?
Here's a list of shit you can switch into: Earthquake, Earth Power. That's it, that's all you switch into.
Let me put this into perspective for you, because you seemingly just do not fucking understand. Talonflame takes lethal damage from a goddamn Scizor using ANY attack. Tell me the attacks you're switching in on. Right fucking now, tell me them.
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>>15452923 And WHY WOULD YOU MAX OUT ITS BULK AT ALL? YOU'RE ELIMINATING EVERYTHING GOOD ABOUT IT TO MAKE IT A SHITTY TANK.
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>>15451277 >taking out greninjas, (mega) gengars and blazikens in a single hit that are way plentifull online >bad Anonymous
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>>15453044 So there's this thing about multiple moves. It's kind of important to the core mechanics of Pokemon, but I guess you missed it. Allow me to explain: sometimes opponent have multiple types of moves, a maximum of 4 actually; now these moves can be electric, but they can also be water, rock, ground, or even the same type as the pokemon using the move! Well now, you see, against a Talonflame, these kinds of moves are going to do quite a bit of damage because Talonflame has pretty darn bad bulk in even stat. So at the end of all this you end up with a dead Talonflame. See?
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>>15453099 All this talk of specific EVs in speed to outspeed other pokemon, they all assume you have a 31 IV in speed, right?
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>>15451432 >who is staraptor Anonymous
>>15453116 >thinking you're going to kill a Gengar lel substitute when you switch in, get shit on faggot
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>>15453099 Adamant Talonflame can't outspeed max speed Mega Lucario.
Doesn't matter much anyway. You'll outspeed it on the turn it mega evolves, and even if you don't then priority Brave Bird will do a lot of damage.
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>Bulky Talonflame
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>>15453146 A superior Pokemon that should have actually gotten Gale Wing.
I hope it does.
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>>15453106 Man, you are an angry wrong child.
Do you understand what force a switch means?
And it doesnt take lethal damage from a bullet punch, or a superpower, or a pursuit, or a bug bite. Anonymous
>>15453132 Yes, correct. If it doesn't have a max speed IV then the calculations are inaccurate.
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>>15453175 Would be overpowered. Talonflame is balanced by its relatively low attack stat.
Staraptor still hits harder with Reckless and can run a Choice Scarf set. Be happy with it.
You want each Pokemon to have a specific niche, not for it to completely outdo another.
Anonymous
>>15453175 He has like 120 base attack, man. What the fuck?
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>>15453165 bulky waters are irrelevant now,
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>>15453155 >Gengar beating Talonflame completely dependent on being able to set up Sub >Implying I am going to switch out if I think you're gonna try to sub Anonymous
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>>15453155 >implying you outspeed a gale wings brave bird Even if I switch in and you sub, after 4-5 turns you are dead anyway.
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>>15453182 Confirming this.
252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Pursuit vs. 252 HP / 0 Def (custom): 143-169 (39.72 - 46.94%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Unless you walk into rocks and then decide to brave bird him for some fucking stupid reason Scizor cannot do anything to him.
Marcus (IGN Calem) 4570-7310-2535
>>15453187 Goddamnit
Maybe I should just give up on this shiny fletchling and just breed one with max in speed
Anonymous
>>15453239 It can still be usable, you just have to adjust your calculations.
These calculations are also going on the assumption that the opponent will have max IVs as well.
Also, the calculations are typically for very specific threats that you may not see a lot of right now. Specifically, the EV spreads you see here are for being able to outspeed base 100s like Jirachi.
Anonymous
This is assuming max speed and attack, 4 HP. U-Turn is to be expected, but yeah that BP is a nice chunk.
>>15453175 Braviary would be exceptionally nice
>>15453219 It has 81 attack you idiot. That's 1 point less than Venusaur.
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>>15453222 What? Nothing this gen has made them any less relevant.
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>>15453267 >It has 81 base attack He was talking about fucking Staraptor, which would be ridiculously overpowered if it got Gale Wing.
Same for Braviary. They won't be getting it. They already have their hidden abilities.
Anonymous
>>15453279 He's referring to the weather nerf that pretty much spelt doom for hydration-rest Vaporeon. Though, that's the only bulky water who really got burnt by it.
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>>15453267 I was talking about Staraptor. Why on earth would you think something with a 180 BP priority move coming off 120 base attack is balanced at all?
Marcus (IGN Calem) 4570-7310-2535
>>15453266 But I'm not sure how to calculate the IVs of this fletchling, not sure if its even possible to with gen6 pokemon atm
I guess if I do know, then I find out the difference in actual speed based on the difference in IVs, and just put in enough EVs to balance that?
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>>15453222 > bulky waters are irrelevant now Haha, fucking what?
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frank 0791-1503-7848 (Pancham Mienfoo Breloom Fri 01 Nov 2013 05:49:08 No. 15453321 Report Does anybody have an extra gale wing fletchling they would be willing to trade?
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>>15453289 >>15453306 My mistake
>Why on earth would you think something with a 180 BP priority move coming off 120 base attack is balanced at all? It's not supposed to be. That's the goddamn point.
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>>15453321 nature on the klefki?
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>>15453289 >They already have their hidden abilities Chandelure would like a word with you
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>>15453239 >shiny talonflame is the shit though Anonymous
>>15453321 I got you, nigga. I have some Adamant ones.
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Steven - 4570 7718 6176(DRAGON- Shellgon, Gabite, Sliggoo) Fri 01 Nov 2013 05:53:28 No. 15453416 Report Quoted By:
So is shiny hunt weekend starting next thread, or what? Because I don't give a shit, it's Friday, at least in my time zone, get the weekend fucking going already so I can get some goddamn luck with shinies.captcha: assramyou receive
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>>15453401 >>15453321 This is my friend code, by the way.
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frank 0791-1503-7848 (Pancham Mienfoo Breloom Fri 01 Nov 2013 05:54:23 No. 15453438 Report Quoted By:
>>15453355 >>15453401 First off, I meant to say the 3 IV has pranskter, my mistake.
They're all careful nature.
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>>15449812 Bird pokemon are fucking disgusting.
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>>15453301 And it only hurts the hydration-rest set iirc. You can still run a wish support set or a BP set just fine, and those are still surprisingly bulky.
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>>15453443 Yea, I run a vaporeon
well, used to and I never actually ran it with rain, but its still got the job done Anonymous
>>15453344 >It's not supposed to be Then fuck off, that's no fun.
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>>15453500 Kiss my ass. It's not about balance, its about doing interesting things. Braviary is the perfect candidate for this ability. It has a lot of power, actually has decent bulk unlike Talonshit and yes it would be fun. Don't give me that balance bullshit. GF doesn't care about balance.
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disregard the guy posting with all the anime pics, he's probably autistic. (he is also very vulgar)
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>>15453489 I was thinking about running one on my new team I'm working on, but I'm also tempted to run a SubPass Jolteon. Even though its hp is low and the subs will be pretty weak, it will scare shit out so much that I can just make free subs all day long
Yolo 0576-4335-3855 (Aipom, Kelceon, Eevee)
Yolo 0576-4335-3855 (Aipom, Kelceon, Eevee) Fri 01 Nov 2013 06:03:08 No. 15453652 Report Quoted By:
Man can't wait for flying fucking gem
Chris 0774-4605-4230
>>15453568 Ruining the balance does not do interesting things. Just look at the current meta. Nothing but Salamence, Ferrothorn, Terrakion, and Scizor. Adding Braviary or Staraptor to that list is not going to make things interesting. Giving a poke with relatively poor attack, but priority on it's stab moves IS interesting.
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>>15453568 Talonflame gets it because flavor. It causes him to stand out. He's a goddamn peregrine falcon, and GameFreak apparently wanted to acknowledge their renowned speed by giving him a unique ability. This is coming from someone who LOVES Braviary: Talonflame got a special ability and is useful but manageable with it. I don't know if anyone else will pick it up later but right now he's got special treatment and is using it to great effect.
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>>15453601 >Vulgar >4chan captcha: translated bnammun Anonymous
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>>15449812 did anyone figure out if he gets Feather Dance as an egg move?
And have egg moves been figured out in general?
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Objectively best set:
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>>15453757 This is ev spread I run, but for the moves, I use
-Brave bird
-flareblitz
-bulk up
-roost
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>>15453757 Talonflame isn't base 130 Speed. Is like 127 IIRC. So you need at least 24 more EVs in Speed to outrun every base 120.
Anonymous
>>15453568 >implying Archeops won't get Gale Wings as its Hidden Ability Chris 0774-4605-4230
>>15453869 >Archeops without defeatist That's like a Castform without Forecast. No way.
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>>15453910 shut up I love Archeops and I want him to be the best Anonymous
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>>15453910 Archeops is a lil bitch for having defeatist. What a crybaby
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>>15453757 >and you will also be unable to Speed tie with Jolteon, Aerodactyl and Crobat Talonflame does not speed tie with these pokemon. It is 126.
>>15453656 >Wi-fi namefag being retarded It's like clockwork. I hate all of you stupid fucks. Pushing the envelope is interesting. Sometimes it results in crazy overpowered things but so be it. Constantly coming up with stronger things, and innovative ways to strengthen things make them interesting. Talonflame IS a neat pokemon. I am interested in what it can do, but I want more. Talonflame merely scratches the surface of what can be done with this ability.
>Nothing but Salamence, Ferrothorn, Terrakion, and Scizor Name 5 pokemon you like/find interesting and I will tell you why the four you named are more exciting and overall of higher quality.
>>15453658 I know WHY Talonflame has the ability (Peregrines being noted for their speed, especially when diving). I don't particularly care either. I care more about how things play out than the thought process behind them.
Anonymous
>>15453869 godforbid
if it wasnt for defeatist it would be an OU, just imagine it having gale wings.
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>>15453973 It would literally be taking the brakes off of the rape train
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>>15453960 >Pushing the envelope is interesting. Sometimes it results in crazy overpowered things but so be it. Constantly coming up with stronger things, and innovative ways to strengthen things make them interesting. Talonflame IS a neat pokemon. I am interested in what it can do, but I want more. Talonflame merely scratches the surface of what can be done with this ability. First time I can agree with you
Chris 0774-4605-4230
>>15453960 >>15453960 >avatarfag being an idiot fuck Not surprise here either.
Power creep is not a good thing. It retroactively makes other pokes worthless while requiring future games to push the ceiling even higher until it becomes absolutely meaningless. Why don't we give Spiritomb Wonderguard now that it's weak to fairy? Why not give Garchomp DD? Hell, let's make multiscale decrease the damage by 3/4s now, instead of 1/2.
It's like you don't understand the point of balance at all.
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>>15450029 no you dumbfuck, only Flying moves get priority.
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>>15454099 >Avatarfag The use of various images is not avatarfagging. Using a series of highly similar images in every single post (and I have made many without images) is avatarfagging.
Power creep is inevitable. In any game that sees many updates over time, power levels will continue to shift in some ways and escalate in others. Power creep also is not an explicitly bad thing. It can be good or bad depending on how it is handled. Some additions and buffs are good, some are too much. Take the good with the bad and be done with it. Giving Braviary Gale Wings is nothing stupid like giving Blaziken Speed Boost, or giving Politoed Drizzle, or having Weather abilities last infinitely unless interrupted. Or giving Shadow Tag to anything other than Wobbuffet. I could go on. Yes it would be powerful, and I welcome it. I want to see how it would impact the game overall.
I wipe my ass with the notion of balance. It's a stupid concept and one that is ultimately unattainable without making all options completely identical. Balance is a lie and the primary concern of shitters that want to complain about something to cope with their bad choices.
