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Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:20:06 No.15471798 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>15472445 >>15472581 >>15472640 >>15472675 >>15472742

Smogon says Donphan isn't good.

This makes me furious. Donphan is my favorite Pokemon. As soon as I got my Donphan on my team, I hadn't lost a competitive battle since.

So I wanna prove those faggots wrong. I want to show them that Donphan is the toughest Pokemon around.

Where should I start?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:21:30 No.15471853 Report

Quoted By: >>15471929

What? I thought it was OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:23:31 No.15471929 Report

Quoted By: >>15472125 >>15474892

>>15471853
It is, but read the article. Smogon pretty much spends the entire article shitting on it and saying how it's not a good as other rapid-spinners.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:24:28 No.15471965 Report

Quoted By: >>15471991

Would you do a 3on3 with me?
I want to crush your dreams

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:25:16 No.15471991 Report

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>>15471965
My DS isn't with me right now, sorry

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:25:45 No.15472008 Report

Quoted By: >>15472065

I hate idiots like you who take smogon's tiering as a personal offense

>B-but my bro...

No, fuck you and your bro. The tiering system isn't based on personal opinion. It's based on seeing how pokemon stack up to other mons so they have a chance to shine in the lower tiers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:26:40 No.15472044 Report

Quoted By: >>15472082 >>15472324

Level 1 Fear Donphan with Shell Bell and Ice Shard used to be hilarious, even if it was illegal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:27:11 No.15472065 Report

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>>15472008
Stuttering while impersonating someone is worse than any buzzword.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:27:42 No.15472082 Report

Quoted By: >>15472161

>>15472044
No pokemon is illegal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:29:06 No.15472125 Report

Quoted By: >>15472310

>>15471929
Did we read the same article?
If the Smogon article on Donphan said "Great" one more time I was gonna shoot myself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:30:07 No.15472161 Report

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>>15472082
>Level 1
>Donphan
>A Pokémon that Evolves by level Up
>Level 1
>Legal

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:31:44 No.15472210 Report

Quoted By: >>15472256

Smogon judges every Pokemon by how they deal against stealth rock or if they can remove stealth rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:33:07 No.15472256 Report

Quoted By: >>15472370

>>15472210
Stealth Rock dropped in popularity in Gen 5.

0danmaster0

0danmaster0 Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:34:30 No.15472310 Report

Quoted By: >>15472443

>>15472125
yep the article says great 10 times

>donphans base 120 attack is great
>donphan is a great check to terrakion
>It's overall great physical bulk
>great terrakion check
>great stealth rock user
>ice shard is great
>earthquake is great
>defense is great
>donphan is shitty against kyurem
>donphan is shitty against special attackers

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:35:04 No.15472324 Report

Quoted By: >>15472509

>>15472044
Why can't this work with a Phanpy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:35:21 No.15472333 Report

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Donphan is OU

It's tiered in OU

There's better rapid spinners, but Donphan is still very good.

Smogon isn't one person, it isn't two or three, it's a lot of people but only a few write the articles.

Goddamit /vp/, you are really really being huge faggots right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:36:25 No.15472370 Report

Quoted By: >>15472443 >>15472498 >>15472610

>>15472256
It's also hard as hell to pass them to the pokemon that can learn it but it doesn't stop Smogon into building teams around it. Just look at their gen 5 article on Donphan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:38:42 No.15472433 Report

Quoted By: >>15472472

Smogon's tiers are fucking retarded anyways. Don't listen to them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:38:56 No.15472440 Report

Quoted By: >>15472610

Nearly any Pokemon can be good if you have a team that all supports each other and isn't full of just copy and paste set-ups from Smogon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:39:03 No.15472443 Report

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>>15472310
Those sound like facts to me.

>>15472370
That's because all Donphan is really good for is Spinning and Rocks. It's too slow to do anything fantastic and anything that can use a Special Attack without being ohko'd by Donphan can generally beat Donphan.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:39:05 No.15472445 Report

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>>15471798
>X says Donphan isn't good.
>This makes me furious
The problem with Pokemon's dumb ass community in a nutshell. Stop taking this shit so personally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:39:29 No.15472464 Report

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I'm using Donphan with Assault Vest right now. Pretty nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:39:42 No.15472472 Report

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>>15472433
>muh charizard is NU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:40:28 No.15472498 Report

Quoted By: >>15472555

>>15472370
Stealth Rock is taken into consideration A LOT because it's the ONLY hazard that hits all types. Spikes doesn't. Toxic Spikes don't. However Stealth Rock has the added bonus of checking Yanmega, Volcarona, and other things with a weakness to it.

THAT'S WHY THEY FOCUS ON IT, BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE SWITCHING. GODDAMIT /VP/, ARE YOU THIS FUCKING DUMB?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:40:48 No.15472509 Report

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>>15472324
Doesn't have sturdy

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:42:26 No.15472555 Report

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>>15472498
>mfw Karenfags complain about people's love of Volt-turn teams but still complain about Stealth Rock as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:42:57 No.15472581 Report

Quoted By: >>15472610

>>15471798
Smogon said Vespiquen is bad.
Vespiquen is my favorite Pokemon.

I don't give a fuck because I keep my Pokebros and Smogoutism seperate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:43:10 No.15472589 Report

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>SOMEONE SAID MY FAVORITE POKEMON SUCKS
>WAAAAHHHHH ;_;

Walrein isn't anything special but that won't stop me from using it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:43:56 No.15472610 Report

Quoted By: >>15472651 >>15472682 >>15472865

>>15472440
That's blatantly false. If anything Smogon's tiering setup, while not perfect, does more to make more pokemon usable in some capacity than anyone else I can think of. They also spend time making articles for pokemon that really don't need one because they're that fucking useless.

>>15472370
Donphan is only useful for those two things. There are better pokemon both offensively and defensively. Donphan should only be considered if his assets adequately covers what your team needs.

>>15472581
Vespiquen is bad. It doesn't take Smogon to tell you that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:44:56 No.15472640 Report

Quoted By: >>15472788

>>15471798
>Smogon says Donphan isn't good.
>
>This makes me furious. Donphan is my favorite Pokemon

Karenfaggotry in a nutshell

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:45:15 No.15472651 Report

Quoted By: >>15472692 >>15472777 >>15472788 >>15472820

>>15472610
And then there's this Smogonfag. I bet you only use movesets they list. Get some originality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:46:18 No.15472675 Report

Quoted By: >>15472788

>>15471798
ITS FUCKING ASS LOOK AT ITS STATS AND MOVEPOOL THERES NOTHING YOU CAN CHANGE KARENFAG

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:46:28 No.15472682 Report

Quoted By: >>15472820

>>15472610
>Vespiquen is bad. It doesn't take Smogon to tell you that.
I knew it was bad before checking Smogon out of curiosity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:46:47 No.15472692 Report

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>>15472651
But he's right

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:47:51 No.15472742 Report

Quoted By:

>>15471798
Donphan is good, but it's outclassed by others like Forretress.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:47:56 No.15472748 Report

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Smogon are basically Pokemon Communists.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:48:27 No.15472759 Report

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If you want to build a team around a specific Pokemon that isn't very good baseline ask yourself

>What is this Pokemons weakness
>How can I overcome it with support

Slow Pokes like Baton Pass SPE or Sticky Web, some cannot function with a status effect (so cleanse them of the debuff with support). Holy shit use your brain.

Also, while smogon is a decent source of information, take their shit with a grain of salt, that shit isn't updated constantly nor is most of it relevant for X and Y.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:48:52 No.15472777 Report

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>>15472651
>super shitty strawman
Why don't you get some originality with your insults instead?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:49:04 No.15472788 Report

Quoted By:

>>15472640
>>15472675
They don't even say it's bad. They suggest the best way to use it even.

>"BUT HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE SUSPECT TESTED FOR UBERS EVERY WEEK TO KEEP ME HAPPY"

>>15472651
Really faggot? Because people use a Pokémon's suggested moveset, there's no originality?

Protip: Gen VI Pokebank OU has NO analysis yet and it's still played by FUCKING SMOGON

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:49:12 No.15472792 Report

Quoted By: >>15472856

Discovering Smogon is the worse thing this board has done to me. It ruined pokemons for me. Just forget it exists and make a team of bros OP.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:49:57 No.15472820 Report

Quoted By: >>15472857 >>15472979

>>15472682
Yeah I misread your post and it was too late by the time I realized it. Sorry about that.

>>15472651
Originality has no value. Winning does. I will do what it takes to win, whether it means copying sets or devising sets of my own, which I am at present doing with Excadrill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:50:56 No.15472856 Report

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>>15472792
>good pokemon can't be bros

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:50:56 No.15472857 Report

Quoted By: >>15473050

>>15472820
If you want to win, don't copypaste sets from Smogon because every retard is going to be able to predict you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:51:02 No.15472865 Report

Quoted By: >>15472930 >>15473050

>>15472610
>That's blatantly false.

I don't think so. When I build a team, I usually pick one Pokemon I want and build around it. This time I choose Clefable, I start out with Drifblim and stockpile as much as I can before he faints, then baton pass to Clefable with Magic Guard holding a Life Orb, then I start to cosmic power if I can or just go straight to attacking with stored power.

Now clefable is RU on Smogon, but it becomes a monster if you have the team to support it. With that much defense and sp. def built up, it becomes nearly impossible to faint it. The solution is roar or whirlwind, and in gen V, dragon tail. But it gets immunity to dragon tail in Gen6.

I still think nearly any pokemon can become usable if you support it, but they obviously suck if just thrown in a team for no reason other than just to have it since it's your bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:52:40 No.15472929 Report

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>I don't know how to play to the strengths of individual pokemon and choose teams and movesets that compliment each other

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:52:42 No.15472930 Report

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>>15472865
Good for you, use an RU pokemon in OU.

Nobody is stopping you. At all.

Now if it was the other way around, you'd be seeing OU teams in RU with no restriction. THAT'S WHERE TIERS COME IN

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:54:28 No.15472979 Report

Quoted By: >>15473050

>>15472820
What are you, 12?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:56:13 No.15473050 Report

Quoted By: >>15473452

>>15472857
Knowing and doing are two completely different things.

>>15472865
>When I build a team, I usually pick one Pokemon I want and build around it.
Newsflash, most people do this, you aren't fucking special. I'm not even going to waste my time reading the rest. Yes pokemon can be supported but there comes a point where you must realize whether or not something is salvageable enough to devote so much energy to babysitting, and whether or not something else is better than it at whatever it is that you seek to do.

Is Feraligatr good? Sure, for argument's sake it is. However Gyarados is better in almost every way possible. The question then shifts from "how do I support this pokemon" to "how do I utilize this pokemon's strengths without playing it as a strictly worse version of another?"

>>15472979
What are you, stupid?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 21:00:27 No.15473198 Report

Quoted By: >>15473405 >>15473463 >>15473622

Listen /vp/ I'm sick of you faggots saying my bro Marowak is shit. 1 vs 1 me faggots. You won't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 21:05:37 No.15473405 Report

Quoted By: >>15473451

>>15473198
Gen 6 Pokebank OU

I'm Phukfaic McGee, waiting in the lobby. Let's go faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 21:06:38 No.15473451 Report

Quoted By: >>15473515

>>15473405
gtg lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 21:06:39 No.15473452 Report

Quoted By: >>15473622

>>15473050
But I never tried to say I was any different or special from anyone else. I was just backing up my original claim that NEARLY any Pokemon can be good if the team supports it. Which is true, you even admitted it when you mentioned Feraligatr.

There may be better Pokemon than others, but I never denied it. I was merely saying nearly any Pokemon can be good with the right support.

What are you arguing with me about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 21:06:56 No.15473463 Report

Quoted By: >>15473531

>>15473198

>no priority
>dies to any SE special attack

It's shit, however high its attack may be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 21:08:27 No.15473515 Report

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>>15473451
What's your name then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 21:08:54 No.15473531 Report

Quoted By: >>15473566

>>15473463
>Trick Room setup.

Suddenly it becomes an unstoppable juggernaut.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 21:09:47 No.15473566 Report

Quoted By:

>>15473531
Until Trick Room dies out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 21:11:15 No.15473622 Report

Quoted By:

>>15473198
It is. If you like it then use it, just know that it is.

>>15473452
>NEARLY any
That's being really generous. I'd say half. That's what I was arguing about. It's just not true. Yeah you can support them all you like but eventually you reach the point of directing all team efforts to fixing one pokemon and it ultimately proves a waste of time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 21:34:09 No.15474354 Report

Quoted By: >>15474535

Winning with your own breed, custom team
>
Winning with your own breed, moveset from smogon team
>
Winning with your hacked, custom team
>
Winning with your hacked, moveset from smogon team

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 21:39:02 No.15474535 Report

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>>15474354
Winning is all that matters. The game does not care how you win, only that you do. The programming is completely unbiased and does not give a shit about things like "originality". Originality has no value.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 21:44:18 No.15474716 Report

Quoted By: >>15474824

>Pixels and Data are "bros"

I will never understand /vp/'s fascination with getting worked up and offended when their prized Pokemon is called shit. In most cases it's math, not an opinion.

And in the deluded case of the turbofaggot OP, Donphan is a "great" option all around.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 21:47:03 No.15474824 Report

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>>15474716
In all fairness it's not just /vp/. Pokemon's community as a whole is supremely guilty of this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 21:49:13 No.15474892 Report

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>>15471929
>Overall, Donphan is a very niche Pokemon, and should always be considered as a last resort if none of the other spinners seem to work on a team.

This is a very true statement.

He's definitely no starmie, but he's not a pile of shit either. He's in OU for a reason.

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