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Can we get a thread going for some Trick Room love? Post teams, strategies, stories, etc.inb4 not viable in Singles
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>>15562233 confirmed for smogon OU tier fag
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>>15562426 I don't know what that means
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>Not using Eviolite Dusclops >Mega Mawile over Mega Ampharos
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>>15562591 Honestly? Haven't even needed them. Was considering Ampharos over Mawile, but Mawile's just been so beast I can't bear to swap out right now. I might try a similar team with a few adjustments to see who plays better, but honestly Mawile reks, even outside of TR.
>>15562541 Trick Room is a move that flips the Speed stat, so slower mons become fast ones. A TR team is full of setters & slow mons that can hit hard without setting up. It counters the Speed-centric metagame. High risk, high reward.
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Eli 2406-6536-6905 [Metang, Ferroseed, Bronzong] Mon 04 Nov 2013 00:43:44 No. 15563148 Report >>15562591 >Eviolite Dusclops You even trying? Stalling in TR is terrible. You're supposed to make use of those 4 turns, not waste 'em all.
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>>15561495 Change exploud for guts ursaring
You won't regret it
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I used TR/Sand Stream for a local tourney and PWT in BW2. I now know how horribly those pokemon I had were raised (they were at least generally EVed correctly) but even then they were enough to decimate everything they went up against, in doubles or triples.>evasion
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>>15563148 You use Dusclops as a Bulky mon to sap up damage and set up trick room.
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Eli 2406-6536-6905 [Metang, Ferroseed, Bronzong] Mon 04 Nov 2013 00:59:08 No. 15563747 Report Quoted By:
>>15563710 Then switch out and have 3 turns? I can see it working for Doubles, but not Singles.
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>>15563608 Exploud regularly goes on OHKO sweeps, can take down 3 in 3 turns against the right team. Specs-boosted STAB Boomburst is just too beast to give up.
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>>15563710 Yeah with TR you gotta take full advantage of the 4 turns. From experience, Dusclops is a bitchhhh to take down, but it just seems like wasting time on a TR team. Dusclops only works on Doubles TR teams.
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>>15564008 Guts boosted Facade is litterally the physical equivalent of Choice Specs Modest Latios' Draco Meteor but whatever floats your boat
Would have needed a Yawn poke to use at its full potential anyway.
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who do you think will this gen's best setters?
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Trick room definitely was made more viable this gen, but I can't get into it just yet. Porygon2 and fire punch marowak are unavailable, my bread and butter of TR.
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I used a horribly outdated team of Bronzong, Hariyama, Slowking, Marowak, Snorlax and a filler Pokemon back when I played some doubles. Always a fun thing to belly drum a Snorlax and have Bronzong copy its stat changes. It did well but I do remember Amoonguss, Chandelures and Rotom-Ws tearing me into shreds.
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>>15564323 >>15564323 Guts Ursaring sounds good, I might use it on a B team to test out Mega Ampharos over Mawile & a couple others, but Exploud has been a bro for a long time, & I'm so happy he's finally gotten a move that turns him into a berserker.
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Does future sight have a place in competitive monning or is it completely outclassed by other strats?
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>>15564404 showdown my nigga, always good to start testing it out now. git prepared.
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>>15564557 Future sight puts too much control in your opponent's hands into what the attack will hit. You really need immediate payoff for moves to be worth their slot.
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>>15564557 I honestly can't think of a single reason why Future Sight would be a good move to use a slot on.
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>>15564557 It's really not viable. Even at 120 power, it's way too conditional, and as of Gen 5, you waste a turn using it if they switch in a dark type.
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>>15562591 Is there a reason to use Dusclops over Dusknoir?
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>still no item that lengthens trick room >still no auto-inducer
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>>15564688 Dusclops has more bulk, so it's more likely to set up, but that's pretty much it.
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>>15564688 Eviolite + 130 Def & SDef = fkn tank
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>>15564720 Trick room is more powerful than weather, truly. It's like giving swift swim to a whole range of pokemon on top of their abilities. I'm pretty happy that they've given us more strong, slow pokemon to work with this gen than an auto-setter.
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>>15561495 >Trick Room Malamar Mah main man. Maybe it's just the kids in Battle Spot not knowing how to handle it, but he always makes a big splash.
>>15564720 Auto-inducing Trick Room would be INSANELY overpowered, though. Much more than weather, and we all know how good weather is.
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>>15564720 yeah seriously wtf GF, get on this shit
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>>15564733 >>15564754 >>15564796 Ah I see, I thought the evo would increase his stats enough. I guess it doesn't matter since he wouldn't be attacking that much.
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>>15564856 Malamar makes it too easy, everyone keeps using thunderbolt on it.
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>>15564801 >>15564856 OP here, yeah an auto-inducer would be very OP, but a boosting item isn't too much to ask, surely? Or at least buff it so 5 turns means 5 turns, & not 4.
>>15564856 When you're sat there with a Malamar at +3 Atk & Def in TR, & you know you've got Foul Play to use incase Superpower won't work, it's a feel.
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Eli 2406-6536-6905 [Metang, Ferroseed, Bronzong] Mon 04 Nov 2013 01:30:24 No. 15565015 Report Anyone know how good HA Aromatisse will be for Doubles? Gives team Taunt immune, so if you have a Ghost setter as a partner, then the only ways to counter it would be to use Imprison Mismagius or just plain Trick Room
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>>15564986 >dumbass used Thunderbolt on Malamar >later on in the match i have a Florges out >dumbass used Flamethrower ITS LIKE SOME PEOPLE DIDNT GET THE FUCKING MEMO
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>>15565015 also, Sableye & Klefki can't use Swagger to fuck you up. Aromatisse is looking pretty good, for doubles at least
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>>15565014 An item that extends all the -room moves would be pretty cool. While they're at it, they should make Inversion Room a move so I can make a whole new kind of gimmick team. It's not fair that only that one psychic gets to play with inverse battles.
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I use Eviolite Dusclops in doubles, I didn't do any HP investment (max both defenses) so I could Pain Split back to full health after cursing.
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>>15565416 Inverse battles should just be its own battle type, shit would be fun.
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>>15565489 I reckon it'll be the next global link season. It will be very interesting.
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>>15565416 Imagine an Ice/Psychic type with the inverse abilty that remains whenever it's on the field
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Eli 2406-6536-6905 [Metang, Ferroseed, Bronzong] Mon 04 Nov 2013 01:44:59 No. 15565616 Report Anonymous
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>>15565434 Been toying with the idea to include a Baton Passer to give my sweepers some added power, but not sure which way to go.
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Anyone tried using Carbink in teri TR team? I wanna try him out but im unsure what moves to give him. I imagine a Sassy/Relaxed nature with maxed out defenses and 4 into HP. I know that x4 to Steel is a bit of a turn off, but I wanna try to use one regardless.
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>>15565904 The problem with Carbink on a TR team is that it doesn't learn Trick Room, & it's a defensive mon, so it's not going to hit hard & fast like a TR sweeper should. Stalling is useless in TR, it just wastes turns.
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>>15565489 this. this. fucking this.
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>>15566055 >http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-xy/703.shtml Serebii says that it DOES learn Trick Room via TM (which is why i asked about its usefulness), but I understand the defensive aspect of it being it's only aspect. There really isn't enough time to be wasted when TR is in effect. What if it's used in DBs? Still useless?
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>>15565489 YES! I can understand Sky Battles not being a selectable battle type, but Inverse really should have been.
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I'm thinking of trying a TR Gourgeist. Something like:
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>>15566246 A common strategy in earlier gens was TrickBoom Bronzong. The idea was to set up TR and rocks, then go BOOM to give another mon a free switch in. Carbink is an interesting choice for a TR setter since it has Sturdy, which combined with Mental Herb to negate Taunt gives it the ability to set up Trick Room almost always unless it's killed by a multi-hit attack.
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>>15566644 Sounds like a pretty good lead right thurr.
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>>15566644 Yes! Will try out. What's a good EV spread and nature you think? Sassy/Relaxed and maxed out defenses and 4 Atk for Explosion?
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>>15566644 Too bad explosion has been shit since bw.
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>>15566960 Sassy, 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SDef. HP is more important than Defences. 0 IVs in Spd
Mental Herb.
Trick Room, Stealth Rock, Explosion, & either Protect/Safeguard/Toxic for the last slot. Safeguard is good if you've got a lot of Physical sweepers that you want to stop from getting burned by Will-O-Wisps.
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>>15567452 how about Brave to make Explosion hit that bit harder?
>>15567406 Yeah that nerf screwed it up big time, but it could still be viable if you're using Carbink as a hazard/TR-setting suicide lead.
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>>15567406 In this case Explosion isn't being used to damange anything especially since Carbink's offenses are ass, it's being used to guarantee an offensive mon a safe switch in. But yeah Explosion is shit otherwise, fuck that nerf.
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>>15567560 Please don't, there's no way to make Carbink offensive with those stats.
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>Use a telepathy musharna as a doubles TR setter >notice I don't really use spread moves >Consider using specs boomburst exploud, spamming helping hand alongside it >First safari loudred has the right ability and 3 IVs >have a leftover quiet male slowpoke with 4 IVs to breed with >get a perfect 6 IV whismur with rattled in the first batch
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>>15567795 >6 31 IVs Nigga make that 31 Speed IV 0
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>>15567452 OP here, liking that set, will definitely try it out. Taunts completely mess up my suicide lead Smeargle so Mental Herb + Sturdy sounds a lot better than having to use a Focus Sash. Although in that last slot, maybe Gyro Ball is better because Explosion won't be hitting Ghosts any time soon. I'll test to see if Carbink is better for that role.
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>>15567867 not that anon but how do i get 0 IVs in something? Luck? Breed it with someone with 0 IVs?
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>>15567969 Latter. 0 Speed Dittos are a worthwhile investment for anyone who's interested in breeding Trick Room pokemon. Though getting one from the safari sounds a fair bit annoying especially since there's a good chance of getting one with 31 Speed instead.
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>>15567907 >Explosion won't be hitting Ghosts any time soon Maybe that could be used to your advantage. For a DB: switch your other Poke out with a ghost (probably Dusclops) while you use it. But yeah. Carbink needs testing regardless.
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>>15568379 Double Battle.
>>15568295 Well I'm primarily a Singles player, but I do want to get into Doubles seeing as its the official format. Leading with Carbink & Dusclops sounds like a good choice.
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>>15568511 Do note Double Battles are A LOT more faster paced on average compared to singles so you want to make sure your first two mons aren't setup bait for a full sweep against the opponent.
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>>15568725 Yeah when I get some spare time, I'll definitely read up on Doubles 101, I can imagine it being completely different with 4 mons on the field. Sounds like a fun challenge to me.
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I really want to include Aromatisse and Gourgeist on my team this gen.
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whats the best nature & ev spread for a tr guts ursaring? im assuming brave nature, 252 atk, but should the 252 go into hp with 4 def, or 128 in each def & spD?
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>>15568929 Gourgeist (assuming it's the Super version for less Speed) should be 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD with Relaxed
Aromatisse perhaps 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD with Quiet
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i really want to incorporate M-Aggron into a DB TR team. So far I have:
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>>15569739 Op here, I originally had Aggron (not Mega) in my team, but swapped it out for Porygon2 because it wasn't getting the KOs I was hoping. Maybe in a DB with some support, the Mega could be a force. Maybe Conkeldurr could be your last option?
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>>15570021 i know M-Aggron isn't the best choice, but Aggron's a bro and i wanna try my best to incorporate him into a team before i completely give up on him. i agree in that Mega evolving might be a bit of a force, but with the right support i think i can pull it off. Conkeldurr sounds interesting if only because i'm at a dead end in deciding my last member for myself. i'll definitely give Conkel a try.
i imagine this is the ideal set-up?:
Brave @ Life Orb
212 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Def
Guts
Drain Punch
Mach Punch
Rock Slide
Detect/Power-Up Punch
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>>15570750 Iron fist+LO sees more use in VGC. Has more power than just guts and has it immediately, but loses if you manage to get a guts boost with life orb (not reliable). Hammer arm is boosted by Iron Fist and makes you "faster" in a trick room, so consider that. Unfortunately, ice punch is a gen 5 move, which conkeldurr will miss until december
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>>15571626 Oops. I meant to type Flame Orb instead of Life Orb. I think you know where I'm going with Flame Orb + Detect/Protect + Guts + Drain Punch
>Unfortunately, ice punch is a gen 5 move, which conkeldurr will miss until december That's what's keeping me in the Guts realm for now.
Thanks for the help btw
