This is why fairy type exists.>Ice beam >Implying ice types can into defense >implying garchomp doesnt know stone edge or flamethrower >Implying there are any ice types that can outspeed him that arent faggot legendaries
Anonymous
This just in, Garchomp is the best non-legendary pokemon.
Anonymous
>>15575607 Uh, I'm pretty sure Chomp gets Iron Head. And I'm also pretty sure Chomp also outspeeds most of the decent fairy-type mons out there.
Just thought I'd bring that up
Anonymous
>>15575701 I never said he's not still overpowered as fuck
and then GF gave their special star dragon a mega evo to make him even more overpowered
They also nerfed the only psuedo that could possibly stand up to him by nullifying it's ghost and dark resists.
He remains the most overpowered pokemon in the game.
Anonymous
>>15575607 >Implying Ice types are the only ones that can use Ice attacks >Implying this post isn't bait >Implying you aren't a faggot. Anonymous
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>>15575771 His Mega evo nerfs his
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>>15575701 If you can't be bothered with breeding for Iron head (don't remember it learning it while leveling at least), Poison Jab is a perfectly fine 80BP Fairy counter move for Garchomp. Unless we are talking Mawile/Klefki in which case a good ol' Earthquake does the trick.
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>>15575701 But most sets don't run Iron Head, and if he's using one of his 4 move slots just for the coverage then that in itself is a passive victory against Garchomp. Togekiss actually does well against him, although Stone Edge can still really hurt it despite it's bulk.
Anonymous
>>15575771 I was just saying that those fairies aren't gonna be enough to stop him, also wasn't the only thing that can stand up to him weak to EQ, anyways making that your last point a moot one?
Anonymous
>>15575786 >Implying there are more than 2 speedy water types >implying he wont OHKO any pokemon that knows ice beam >STAB Earthquake >STAB Outrage >All fucking points in speed and attack AND HP. If I see someone with a garchomp in their party, I just exit the battle. He has checks to all his checks and counters to all his counters.
He's just as overpowered as any legendary out there.
Anonymous
>>15575863 Fucking Greninja with Protean one shots non-berry/sash Garchomp with Ice Beam. Only worry Greninja would have is if the Garchomp is scarfed.
Stop being bad.
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>>15575856 I always ran a metagross with an air balloon and used magnet rise on the first turn to ensure that I was off the ground, then hit him with some meteor mashes and all that good shit
Anonymous
>>15575906 >"This pokemon is overpowered" >"YEAH, WELL IF YOU HAVE THIS ONE POKEMON WITH THIS ONE ABILITY AND THE GARCHOMP ISNT HOLDING EITHER OF THESE ITEMS, HE'S A GONER!" stop using overpowered pokes to make yourself feel good
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Chun Li's Spinning Bird Kick [Psychic] (Abra, Espurr, Gothorita) 2552-1161-7574 !NdXsekXuGQ Mon 04 Nov 2013 06:44:00 No. 15575976 Report Quoted By:
Honestly I just give up before I start when I see a guy with a Garchomp. It just tears through my team like butter. And that's without it Mega evolving.
Anonymous
>>15575959 toppest of the top keks
he's not even uber
Anonymous
>Implying ice types can into defense >Oh hi I am OP and I'm so stupid I didn't know pretty much every water type can learn Ice Beam, also a lot of normal types and other things >what the fuck fuck is STAB, all I know is that type beats type and stats don't mean shit
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>>15575607 God, his face makes for retard-cute potential in Amie.
Anonymous
>>15575959 Starmie also kills the garchomp. So does weakness policy Dragonite with DDance. Garchomp is shit cause it gets oneshot by lifeorb ice shard users. The only good thing going for it is being able to switch in on thunderwaves
Anonymous
>>15575607 My protean greninja shits all over it with ice beam
Anonymous
>>15575959 It was just an example because Greninja is hardly good. All it has going for it is being fast and Protean but anything it doesn't kill (lots of things), rape it faster than it can even pretend it's actually good.
There's dozen of counters to Garchomp, some aren't even optimal but work if that's your thing and not all Garchomps are alike. Garchomp has gained dozens of counters each game after it was added, Gen6 is no different even with it giving him a mixed sweeper potential.
Anonymous
>>15576048 anything can be checked, but not much out there that outright counters chomp
Anonymous
>>15576079 Don't underestimate Protean dude. I thought it was shit also but oh my lord is it strong. A timid Protean Froakie with Life orb oneshots a fucking Miracle scale Dragonite from 100-0 with ice beam. Talk about fucking silly. He is fast and has a decent movepool going for him.
Anonymous
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>>15576105 though togekiss comes incredible close, stoping both stabs, and normal poison jab/stone edge doesn't kill
Anonymous
>>15575996 Oh, good point
Yeah, I didnt think of that
He's not overpowered now that you said that
I'm kidding though
>>15576000 Congrats on being the father of a bouncing new stupid post
Garchomp can learn fighting type moves
normal is out
And implying his stab EQ isnt enough to ohko any fucking pokemon in the world
Jesus fuck, I wouldnt be surprised it its EQ killed a fucking flying type with levetate that has used magnet rise while holding an air balloon
>>15576048 That would be correct, if every faggot didnt give their garchy a big fat focus sash
>>15576071 God I want a protean froakie so bad, but I cant figure out how the fucking friend safari works, because none of the pokes I find there ever have their HA
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How do I into Mega Garchomp?
Anonymous
>>15576136 I have never seen a focus sash garchomp in Showdown in my entire life. Who the fuck runs sash garchomp. Why on god's green earth would you run that garbage on him
Anonymous
>Gamefreak made an entirely new type to act as a check to Dragon-Types. >The previously existing type that already acted as a check to Dragon-Types, Ice, received absolutely nothing. No new resistances, no new strengths, just two more defensive-oriented Pokemon for an offensive-oriented typing. >The Fairy Type actually does more to hurt previously existing Fighting and Dark types than it does Dragons, giving ones like Scrafty a new 4x Weakness.
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My biggest accomplishment was out speeding and one-shotting cynthia's garchomp with my bro glaceon.
Anonymous
>>15576136 Pokemon only have a chance at their hidden ability if the owner of the Safari is online.
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>>15576136 As if Chomp even needs a SE hit to murder things. Anything but the sturdiest physical walls will take a beating from it, but you might be able to stop them more easily now that fairies (or more especifically Togekiss) exist, because they're probably going to carry Stone Edge more often than Fire Fang.
Or maybe they'll just drop Outrage/Dragon Claw and run both. Oh god that might be a good idea.
Gordon - 4682 8463 8658 ( Throh, Meditite, Riolu )
Gordon - 4682 8463 8658 ( Throh, Meditite, Riolu ) Mon 04 Nov 2013 06:55:01 No. 15576237 Report >ctrl+f "mamoswine" >no results
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>>15576183 Maybe I was wrong about the item name
Whichever item that makes the pokemon hang on with 1 health is what I meant
Gordon - 4682 8463 8658 ( Throh, Meditite, Riolu )
Gordon - 4682 8463 8658 ( Throh, Meditite, Riolu ) Mon 04 Nov 2013 06:56:10 No. 15576259 Report Quoted By:
>>15576231 I've found many Imposter Dittos and Thick Fat Piloswines while offline, at my school, where Internet is a thing locked away from my 3DS,
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>>15576122 I don't underestimate it. But I also don't overestimate it. Protean Greninja is certainly powerful if you for some reason aren't expecting it even with team preview. But its main advantage is being fast.
>>15576231 Wrong, they only need to have been online once so you actually see their avatar and not the ? face. It's all RNG but there might be SOME type of factor that decides how common HA's are in Safari but online or not doesn't seem to be a requirement as I get HA pokés all the time and all the fags I've added from Safari threads here are always fucking offline.
Anonymous
Togekiss cannot learn moonblast
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>>15576237 I was about to say that mammoswine ice shard would ohko with expert belt or life orb. Fucking delibird could ohko with iceshard.
>>15576238 You are talking about the right item, but no one runs it on garchomp. The most common item i saw was life orb or choice scarf. Sash is awful because my entry hazards and he has almost 0 boosting methods to increase his shit speed
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>>15576238 Actually that would be the focus sash, if they are at full health. Or possibly the focus band, which gives a chance of surviving with 1 hp at any range
Anonymous
>>15576211 Seriously, my bro didn't need that shit.
>The Fairy Type actually does more to hurt previously existing Fighting and Dark types than it does Dragons, giving ones like Scrafty a new 4x Weakness. Anonymous
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>>15575959 If I have a vivillion with a focus sash and no sleep clause (any non-simulator fight) Garchomp can do nothing. In fact many pokemon rely on there being no sleep clause, and I have been having fun in random matchups because of this and some other characteristics of online matches.
Anonymous
>>15575607 Wait, so what fairies are supposed to be dealing with Chomp again?
Togekiss gets Stone Edged, Iron Headed, or Iron Tailed, and everything else eats an Earthquake after cancelling the Outrage with their immunity.
Anonymous
>>15576211 >Also crippled the best looking gen 6 pokemon out the gate Anonymous
>>15575607 >Implying Weavile doesn't exist (?) Anonymous
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>>15576356 Yeah, it's still massively overpowered
Anonymous
>>15576356 Azumarill the best fairy with his based punch of the frozen north
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>>15576361 They were just too cool for this world, anon. Gamefreak needed to put a check on that level of swag, they just couldn't handle it.
Anonymous
>>15576390 Not really into meta, but do people still run Ice Punch on it even though it already gets Play Rough as a STAB move?
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>>15576211 Yeah ice needs to resist something besides itself. Still, Fairy in itself was a nice addition overall, even if some people find the current fairies lacking the type itself is quite good. It doesn't hurt that it brought the types to an even 18. It's also incentive for gamefreak to get more bold with typing, Malamar probably would have never existed if not for fairy.
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Garchomp's reign has long passed.
Anonymous
>>15576378 My niggah. Adamant Weaviles not only outspeed Jolly chomp's but also 1shot it with Icicle Crash even if they run with Yache Berry as long as they use Expert belt or Life Orb.
>>15576278 >What is Dazzling Gleam It's not as strong but should be good enough.
Anonymous
>>15576356 Xerneas of course
>>15576390 I guess Azumarill could revenge kill him if he's locked into Outrage, but can he take an Earthquake after switching in directly?
Anonymous
>>15576378 >Oh right, I forgot weavile. Well, If he has been ev trained 100% in speed, garchy doesn't have a sash/band, and he doesnt get 1 shotted by literally any move ever, I suppose garchomp does have a 1/721% chance of having a check
Anonymous
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>>15575607 >implying Fairy-types aren't anything but a reason to "not spam outrage, I guess" to this almighty death-beast captcha: atonement burn
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>>15576414 Aqua jet Ice Punch Play Rough and Belly drum is a common set. Aqua Jet Waterfall Play Rough Belly drum is just as common.
Anonymous
>>15576432 Dazzling gleam is a direct downgrade to Moonblast and has no secondary effects
>>15576436 Legendaries are just a cancerous as garchomp
anybody that uses legendaries should be tarred and feathered
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>>15576211 Don't forget how most fairies are physically frail and slower than most dragons
Anonymous
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>>15576436 Azumarill has nice bulk and will not get oneshot unless it got a swords dance boost
Anonymous
>Unaware Quagsire @ Leftovers >252 HP 252 Def 4 Att >EQ >Ice-punch >Curse >Recover >Mfw when dragon-tards keep wasting turns DD while I curse up and their mind breaks as they do less and less damage to me each turn untill finally after they Outraged me 6 times in a row I recover once to full HP and then one shot them with Ice punch You can do 252 in att instead and go with 4 def to get to the killing sooner, but I just enjoy shattering dragonfags entire world view as their idols impotently tickle me
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Muh poor Togekiss ;_;
Anonymous
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>>15576500 Dazzling gleam is good for doubles as it hit both opponents.
Anonymous
>>15576500 I've often seen Togekiss Airslash Chomp to death or Air Slash and then use Dazzling Gleam. It's not exactly hurting from the lack of Moonblast, but it honestly should get it.
Anonymous
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Why didn't they just buff Ice types then?
Anonymous
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>>15576459 >speed That's so easy a babby could do it
>sash/band Oh I'm sorry I forgot about the multiple item rule. because you know, it will have a scarfbandorbsash berry, will have no residual damage from stealth rocks to break such a sash (and if he doesn't then explain why weavile would not also have no residual damage preventing him from sashing)
>one shotting how can garchomp one shot something it can't outspeed or survive agaisnt? Unless it's scarfed, leading to a favored switch in of your choice (or not if it had an unbroken sash and just got you anyway)
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>>15576500 Yes but if you are so desperate for a fairy move to counter dragons on Togekiss, Dazzling Gleam is certainly better than nothing.
>tfw I never used a dragon before and decided to give 'chomp a try this gen because I ran into wild Gible somewhat early on and I like it for it being a fucking landshark and people hate me for it Oh well.
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>>15576459 >Implying Weavile can't outspeed a Garchomp Oh come on now.
>B-but Focus Sash I could say the same for your argument about Garchomp, you know.
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>>15576581 Serene Grace + Moonblast would be nice
Anonymous
Zelphyr/ Blacky 3497-0597-0924 muk, ariados, cascoon
Zelphyr/ Blacky 3497-0597-0924 muk, ariados, cascoon Mon 04 Nov 2013 07:11:28 No. 15576672 Report >>15576536 oh my jesus...you wouldn't happen to have an extra unaware quagsire would you?
Anonymous
He eats every Fairy not named Azumarill for Breakfast.
Anonymous
>>15576714 It seems like with megachomp and excadrill's return that sand teams would still be a force even after the weather nerf
Anonymous
>>15576672 You can get unaware ones in friend safaris.
But I wouldnt bother training one right now, no ice punch untill pokebank opens, and you have to chain breed to get curse and recovers.
A good quagsire takes alot of work.
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>>15576753 Megachomp isn't good enough to be ran in the sand. Mega TTar and Excadrill is the combination of the century though.
Anonymous
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>>15576756 le megavenasaur face
Zelphyr/ Blacky 3497-0597-0924 muk, ariados, cascoon
Zelphyr/ Blacky 3497-0597-0924 muk, ariados, cascoon Mon 04 Nov 2013 07:18:00 No. 15576805 Report ah for sure, i keep forgetting that the elemental punches aren't in the game
Anonymous
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>>15576753 mega chomp would only be good if it got ddance
without it regular chomp is better
Anonymous
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>>15576805 >implying I sketched them of some mons in battle maison
Anonymous
1000000000000% based OP
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I don't really understand the point of Mega Garchomp. It gives it the stats to have a potentially decent mixed attacker set, but it gives him next to no bulk and actually NERFS his speed. Personally I think it's a waste of the mega slot, regular Garchomp is better.
Anonymous
>>15576899 Togekiss can actually do great against Garchomp as he is immune to both stabs. He's bulky enough to survive most of Garchomps coverage moves, and can turn the tables pretty well. A timid natured Megavoir can actually deal with Garchomp given the right the circumstances. Florges and Sylveon can survive an Earthquake and occasionally deal with it.
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>>15577047 I actually dont know what that is
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>>15576998 >A timid natured Megavoir can actually deal with Garchomp given the right the circumstances. And this means "against idiots who copypaste smogon sets since the CB/SD set has adamant for wallbreaking instead of switching to jolly like anyone with brain cells would" right?
Anonymous
The butthurt in this thread is amazing.
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>>15577089 Actually Jolly IS recommended on smogon
Anonymous
>>15577089 Friendly reminder that Togekiss can run hidden power ICE.
IIRC Chomp can only OHKO Toge with CB
think about what that means Anonymous
>>15577093 Your buttmad when fairies were introduced is still amazing
But seriously, people like you are the worst. You use overpowered shit, and when people call you out on it, your first response is LEL BUTMADE??
awful
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>>15577023 >Stone miss Most of the time it's someone predicting a switch in that can be hurt by Earthquake, or switching towards the end of an Outrage only to have to pay for their mistake with Togekiss anyway.
Anonymous
>>15577165 why would you use HP ice when it has fairy moves
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I am
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I just run Dazzling Gleam on my Gengar for coverage and it deals with Garchomp pretty well.
Anonymous
>>15577170 I don't even use dragons. I'm just saying.
Your butthurt, is amazing. Like the one in your post.
Kieran 4468 0964 1713
>people really saying "dragonfags"
Anonymous
>>15577268 >This is what butthurt dragonfags actually believe cry more
Anonymous
>>15577170 but fairies can't even counter what they were supposed to counter. The only thing of worth the Fairy-type has brought to the metagame are Dazzling Gleam, and Play Rough.
Anonymous
>>15577287 The only mad guy around here seems to be you.
Anonymous
>>15577287 are you seriously telling people to "cry more" when people in this thread have been doing nothing but whining, yourself included? Do you seriously not see the irony in this?
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>>15577328 >>15577314 >This is what butthurt dragonfags actually believe cry more
Anonymous
>>15577246 >This guy doesn't like to battle unfun, overused, overpowered pokemon! >He must be mad! Anonymous
I wonder why I never see people complaining about Water-types, despite being the true leading type of the game.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15577356 >Garchomp >Overpowered Please.
Anonymous
>>15577356 >BWAAAAAAAH I CAN'T COUNTER A SINGLE POKEMON >I KNOW WHAT I'LL DO, MAKE A THREAD ABOUT IT ON /vp/! Yeah, I think he is.
Anonymous
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>>15577363 Because /vp/ sucks at Pokemon.
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>>15575607 >Implying Fairies didn't irreversibly kill the usage of Choice Dragon moves >Implying Outrage isn't always a free turn for fairy types, whether that turn is used for switching in or setting up after a teammate goes down >Implying you can have every coverage move all the time I do think the nerf to Dark was completely unnecessary though. RIP best bro Scrafty.
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>>15577306 It's a mixed bag. The problem is that dragons just have high base stat totals in general, but there are a few decent fairies that actually can shutdown dragons or check them. Definitely not, unstoppable dragon killers, but not inept or useless either. I see Azumarill, Mawile, Klefki, and Togekiss everywhere. There's only going to be more fairies as new games are released. I'd say fairies are better off than Dark was in Gen II, there was Ttar and everything else was shit.
Anonymous
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>>15577398 >Talking about Water types >Main users of Drizzle/Rain Dance >implying Thunder can miss during rain Or you can just use Galvantula and have 91% hitrate, just like Vivillion with Hurricane if you don't want to wait for the rain.
Anonymous
>>15577386 >>15577384 >This is what butthurt dragonfags actually believe stay buttblasted
Anonymous
>>15577451 >can't retort arguments >"I-Im not mad, y-you're" Pathetic
Anonymous
>>15576998 I think that Scarfevoir would see more use than Megavoir, to be honest, unless she gets something really disgusting like Boomblast in future versions.
Fuck Gamefreak for giving her +20 Attack.
Anonymous
>>15577425 You say that like it's common for Pokemon to have Thunder instead of Thunderbolt.
Meanwhile Ice Beam is a pretty common type.
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>>15577363 Because Rain was nerfed hard in this version, and SR may see a decrease in use, giving more leeway to Fire and Grass teams.
Anonymous
>>15577188 ice is 4x super effective nigga
Anonymous
>>15577188 Because Chomp and other dragons+ground and flying types
Anonymous
>>15577495 >and flying types fuck that, you are using Togekiss just air slash
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>Stone Edge
Anonymous
>>15577470 Pixilate is confirmed to give a 30% boost to converted moves. So hyper voice would be 117 + stab and hits through subs. Garde gets it through BW2 move tutor.
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>>15577512 lolno
Toge can do both Anonymous
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But Ghost-types are the new Dragon-type.
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>>15577483 It was just a response to the "Miss" response to a guy mentioning Thunder. Personally I don't care, water is and never really has been a type issue in itself. Everyone has always just complained about the various combos it offers through abilities instead (Drizzle+Swift Swim in particular).
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>>15577451 You think Garchomp is overpowered?
Powerful, yes, but not some unstoppable win button like you're thinking. There are plenty of ways to take him down.
Anonymous
>>15577463 >Implying garchomp. overpowered. please is an argument >implying garchomp has any checks that he cant check or any counters that he cant counter If you really believe that the cheap, overpowered pokemon you're defending isn't the most overpowered pokemon in the game, holy wow, I'd love to see how bad you are without your precious garchomp and his no fucking downsides
>Always moves first >Always hits first with a STAB earthquake >Always OHKOs any single fucking pokemon >Only way to dodge this is to have a sash/banded ice beamer >What are flying types? >Weak to stone edge and stealth rock. >OHKO >OHKO >Literally nothing you can do I bet you use legendaries
Rin 4124 - 5859 - 0317 (Pumpkaboo, Lampent, Duskclops)
Rin 4124 - 5859 - 0317 (Pumpkaboo, Lampent, Duskclops) Mon 04 Nov 2013 07:55:16 No. 15577591 Report P sure Greninja can down a Garchomp... P sure a Greninja can down anything. Has there ever been a better Pokemon than Protean Greninja?
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>>15577529 Oh I hadn't heard of that, that's actually very nice.
The speed and defense are really a tragedy though.
Anonymous
>>15577588 >>Always moves first Except it does not, unless it's scarfed. If your fastest sweeper can't outspeed a Garchomp you just suck. Let me guess, you use Modest instead of Timid
Anonymous
>>15577588 >Always moves first >Always hits first with a STAB earthquake >Always OHKOs any single fucking pokemon >All that shit This is bait right? This must be bait. No one can honestly be this stupid and believe this to be true, even after several pokémon has even been listed as great counters to this amazing but not overpowered landshark?
Why am I responding to bait, I should go to bed, so yes I'm going to bed.
Anonymous
>>15575607 >>15575672 Were you trying to hurt me or something?
Anonymous
>>15577588 >Always moves first Stopped reading there.
Anonymous
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>>15577588 Please, Scarfchomp gets walled hard by Skarmory, Ferrothorn...pretty much any physical wall.
If you can't counter a Garchomp you're just terrible, terrible, terrible.
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>>15577588 HEY YOU
P5NW-WWWW-WWW2-EZ9L
Anonymous
>>15577635 >Implying modest isnt the superior nature fuckin downboated
Anonymous
>>15577717 literally no idea what this means
Anonymous
>>15577708 Garchomp especifically carries fire attacks to counter those walls though. Since it's scarfed, you probably won't be able to use it without switching out, giving the opponent plenty of momentum.
Just admit that it's not Garchomp the overpowered, it's you who sucks
Also
>mixed Chomp >mixed Chomp Anonymous
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>>15577708 Special walls like Florges and Sylveon can survive a stab Earthquake given the right nature and EVs and hit it back quite hard.
Anonymous
>>15577698 >Scarf Congrats, Garchomp is now locked into one move and is most likely forced to switch unless you are a gigantic fucking retard. Your best excuse is that Garchomp takes down 1 of your pokes and that's all it gets to do.
>>15577708 >Fire Blast >80 Base S.Atk with 0 EV's in it >Scarf'd Skip the "unless" part in previous part of this post, you are genuinely really fucking retarded.
Anonymous
>>15577744 Then you have no room to talk.
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The amount of "git gud" in this thread is palpable.
Anonymous
>>15575607 did you really ignore this one?
>>15576536 Anonymous
>>15577635 >>15577728 Wait, on what mon?
>>15577747 I will admit that I suck, but I will NOT admit that garchomp is not overpowered, because it is. No other psuedo is. Just garchomp.
>>15577765 I don't use garchomp because I'm not a cunt
I was just pointing out a strat I see employed often
The only moves a garchomp even needs are earthquake, stone edge, and fire blast. The only people that think that it's not overpowered are the scrub overlords that use it
>>15577767 I don't beat off into pokemon comp, bruv. Sorry if I dont get your sekret klub code
>>15577810 I guess he got me, but if you have any pokemon at all that knows any grass move at all, rip
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>>15577884 > earthquake, stone edge, and fire blast. >fire blast >instead of Fire Fang yeah, nah. You just suck.
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>>15577744 >>15577884 >I don't beat off into pokemon comp, bruv. Sorry if I dont get your sekret klub code Put it in your vs. recorder (make sure you are connected)
It is how "OP" garchomp is
Rin 4124 - 5859 - 0317 (Pumpkaboo, Lampent, Duskclops)
Rin 4124 - 5859 - 0317 (Pumpkaboo, Lampent, Duskclops) Mon 04 Nov 2013 08:13:35 No. 15577930 Report >>15577884 >Sorry if I dont get your sekret klub code topkek
Don't let these guys bully you, but I'm surprised you didn't recognize that it was a V.S. Recorder code. You can enter that in-game to watch a recorded battle that someone uploaded. He was probably citing that battle to defend his side of the argument.
Anonymous
>>15577930 Did you just unironically use the verb "bully"?
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Scarfchomp can't get an OHKO on Aegislash with either Fire Blast nor EQ, and either gets OHKOed by the Weakness Policy-boosted Iron Head or finished off by Shadow Sneak the next turn. Just saiyan.
Rin 4124 - 5859 - 0317 (Pumpkaboo, Lampent, Duskclops)
Rin 4124 - 5859 - 0317 (Pumpkaboo, Lampent, Duskclops) Mon 04 Nov 2013 08:15:24 No. 15577975 Report Quoted By:
>>15577958 >being this autistic stop posting any time
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>>15577884 >I guess he got me, but if you have any pokemon at all that knows any grass move at all, rip >Grass types can counter Quagsire but anything that easily checks Garchomp with Ice can't counter Garchomp Right.
>The only moves a garchomp even needs are earthquake, stone edge, and fire blast. The only people that think that it's not overpowered are the scrub overlords that use it If a Garchomp is scarf'd and running that move-list and you are losing to it you are genuinely bad. Not only will that Fire Blast hit pathetically weak, but Scarf still locks him into a specific move forcing it to switch if it wants to use something else which gives you free turns.
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>>15577884 We were talking specifically about Garchomp. Now you enter other pokemon into the discussion?
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>>15577884 >I guess he got me, but if you have any pokemon at all that knows any grass move at all, rip >using strawmen I have no idea about competitive Pokemon, I just came into this thread to see what this is all about just to see one little bitch cry about how OP Garchomp is. If there is a way to counter it its not OP. Thats just like in my League of Legends generals
Can't you just use Toxic on it and then wall the fuck out of it? Anonymous
>>15577884 Quit being a massive baby.
Garchomp has a base 92 speed. Plenty of pokemon can outrun it unscarfed.
Scarfed chomp is easily countered because it's locked into one move until switch, which brings it down to set up fodder for you, unless you bring in something weak to whatever attack it's using.
Garchomp needs team support to thrive, it does not survive long if the rest of that person's pokemon can't do shit to help it get started.
Anonymous
>>15577591 Greninja doesn't hit that hard at all.
Anonymous
>>15578062 Ice Beam from Timid Protean Greninjas 1shot Garchomp easily.
>>15578061 Garchomp has 102 base speed, Megachomp has 92 and can't even use a Choice item in that case.
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>>15576536 I have a Blastoise with great defensive stats and Iron Defense but no Recovery moves, think it could work just as well as this Quagsire? I could teach it Rest
Rin 4124 - 5859 - 0317 (Pumpkaboo, Lampent, Duskclops)
Rin 4124 - 5859 - 0317 (Pumpkaboo, Lampent, Duskclops) Mon 04 Nov 2013 08:22:17 No. 15578122 Report >>15578062 You serious? I could one-hit almost anything I went up against using a Modest Protean Greninja that didn't even have a 31 in Sp. Atk.
I put Scald/Smack Down/Dark Pulse/Extrasensory and the only things that gave me trouble were water types and grass type. Most of 'em would still be downed in a hit or two from my STAB Extrasensory.
Anonymous
>>15578084 Whoops, looked at the wrong stats.
I thought that 120 spA looked off.
Oh well, on regular garchomp, I still don't know what the guy is bitching about fire blast when it's got 130 attack compared to the 80 special. Does anyone even bother running mixed with those numbers?
Big g
Is sand veil allowed on him in ranked battles?
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>>15578166 Only the guy that beat OP so hard he made this thread.
>>15578174 As far as I know no ability/move combo is prohibited in Ranked. Only certain items and pokemon.
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>>15578174 >do Nintendo battles follow Smogon rules? are you literally retarded?
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>>15578062 >permanent STAB running from a 103 special attack >not hitting hard I think gen 5 ruined people by making everything 115+ hyper offensive glass cannons, or sluggish hard hitters.
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>>15578062 >Starmie doesn't hit hard at all this is how dumb you sound
Genericana 4553-9984-2759(Electric with Galvantula and who cares what else)
Genericana 4553-9984-2759(Electric with Galvantula and who cares what else) Mon 04 Nov 2013 08:36:50 No. 15578408 Report Quoted By:
I've been playing a lot of competitive online doubles(at around 1,800 rating atm) and no one seems to run Scarf on Chomp anymore. My Scarfed Mamoswine usually just ends up shitting on it.
Anonymous
>Starmie
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>>15577488 >>15577495 HP Ice has 60 BP. It hits 240 BP on a 4x weakness.
Dazzling Gleam has 80 BP. STAB makes that 120 BP. On a 2x weak Pokemon like Garchomp (and most other Dragons) that's 240 BP.
Anonymous
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>>15576536 Fuck yeah, Quagsire
I'm just waiting on December so I can transfer a Bouffalant with Sap Sipper over to be his tag partner.
Anonymous
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>implying fairys have done anything at all to prevent the dragon rampage
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>>15576211 >wah ice types are slow and defensive despite being offensive You what?
Also
>wah Ice is slow and defensive IT'S FUCKING ICE
IT'S SLOW
AND HARD
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT
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>>15576500 Dazzling gleam is aoe without hitting your team. That's a god damn good secondary effect.
Anonymous
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>All this Chomp overrating
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Garchomp would fit perfectly on my current team, but I also have a tyranitar and would be abusing the shit out of sand veil
Anonymous
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>>15582795 Does Salamence even have outrage anymore without pokebank?
I thought he had to make do with dragon claw now
Anonymous
>>15575607 >fairy type exists. And I don't really know why yet.
I mean, they are outspeeded by dragons and either die cause secondary type (flamethrowers and earthquakes). Also you don't even need steel or poison since most pure fairies die with 1x damage moves if the enemy attack is decent.
Pic related with Dazzling Gleam is better than any fairy to counter dragons.
Anonymous
>>15583022 The only usable fairies are Florges, Sylveon. Also Mawile and Klefki but it's not used because they're fairy (although they have the best defensive typing) but for other things.
Anonymous
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>>15575607 >Only ice-types learn Ice Beam Anonymous
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>>15578432 Starmie isn't ohkoed by outrage on the switch?
Anonymous
>>15583199 Azumarill can run a gimmick set up that is wrecked by anything that out prioritizes it. Yes Belly Drum Aqua Jet fucking hurts, no it's not reliable enough to call it 'good'.
Anonymous
>>15575863 Slowbro could probably resist 2 full EQs from a Garchomp.
Anonymous
>>15583224 Swampert could take one though I don't think it learns Ice Beam and is a physical attacker.
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>tired of faggots on WiFi battles >decide to be a faggot myself >unintentionally pick up a sand veil perfect IV gabile on gts >sandstorm+bright powder vs azumarill >miss, miss, miss >life is great being the land shark
Anonymous
Greninja is the best Ice type pokemon of Gen 6, and that is just sad.
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>>15583053 >Naming fucking Florges over Togekiss Really?
Anonymous
>>15583314 >Greninja >Ice type Just because it has protean doesn't mean it's an actual Ice-type Anonymous
Chomp is incredibly overrated, there are simply too many counters against him. Landorus-T, Balloon Heatran, Skarmory, Ferrothorn, Togekiss, Hippowdon, Intimidate Gyarados, Forretress, Gliscor, Donphan... I mean, you can run sets to kill some of those Pokemon, but you can't kill all of them. Among his revenge killers, we have Mamoswine, Latios, Starmie, Alakazam (most run HP: Ice), Dragonite, Weavile, Keldeo, and really the majority of his counters.
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>>15583221 Azumarill has enough bulk and power to not need to run BellyJet.
Anonymous
>>15583314 We'll probably never get a ice/poison or ice/fighting that I've been hoping for. Done right they could be really solid pokemon.
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>not using a slowbro to counter a garchomp
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>>15575607 To be honest, I never really understood the whole Garchomp threat thing. I had a Dewgong on my team (it's a bro, okay?) that could kill it easily, as well as take two or three Outrages. A freaking Dewgong. And then most attackers, granted ones with high speed (but why would you bring a slow-ass fucker to the tier?), could revenge kill it. Maybe it's just the layout of my team, but I can't count the number of times Garchomp has messed up my team on my hands. Because it's never happened before.
Anonymous
>Garchomp >Overpowered
Anonymous
>>15583626 That's because Mega Garchomp is shit and you should just use the regular one.
>>15583519 >Ice/Poison >Wanting to mix the two shittiest types Anonymous
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>>15583626 Megachomp is slower and doesn't really need the attack boost.
Anonymous
This thread is amazing, this is why people who dont play competitive and yet dont stop shitting out opinions are the greatest entertainment.
Anonymous
>>15583665 >That's because Mega Garchomp is shit and you should just use the regular one. Mega Garchomp plays an entirely different role. He's a bulky wallbreaker. With Sticky Web support Megachomp becomes a fucking monster
Kenna 1349-5192-9143 (pawniard/crawdaunt/Absol)
Kenna 1349-5192-9143 (pawniard/crawdaunt/Absol) Mon 04 Nov 2013 15:11:30 No. 15583755 Report Quoted By:
>>15575607 >Implying there are any ice types that can outspeed him that arent faggot legendaries Weavile.
Anonymous
>>15583708 I don't get it. Doesn't Liepard do the same thing?
5327-0887-7484 (Psychic)
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>>15578122 i think scald / ice beam / grass knot / extrasensory is a better set. Maybe i'm wrong.
Anonymous
>>15583729 I really like the idea of him as a bulky wallbreaker but the metagame is just so geared against Dragons or ice weak pokemon it really stops him from making an impact, i'd love to find out how to make it work though (without web)
>>15583777 Yes, and Jirachi essentially. just people like OP who picked up x/y and think they are experts.
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Weavile is the Garchomp Killer. Ice Punch can really hit him hard.
Lightning Flash
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>>15576313 >implying any fairy type would be able outspeed Scrafty after it gets a DD or two in. Anonymous
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>>15583838 >People bitching about klefki >It's pretty much only got one gimmick Anonymous
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There's a reason I love and use Trick Room
Anonymous
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All I see is a badass shark dragon that I could use just as easily as anyone else.
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>>15583299 ice beam was standard on swampert until scald came around
Anonymous
Mega Aggron with Filter could survive Garchomp and the Ice Punch his faggot ass to death.
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>>15584186 I'd pay to see this.
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>>15575672 He's no talonflame but he will do.
Anonymous
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>>15582795 salamence is a fat bastard who can barely keep his feet off the ground
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>>15583729 with sticky web support everything and their mom becomes a fucking monster
Anonymous
>>15583665 Ice/poison would beat fairy and dragon, it would be unstoppable.
Anonymous
>>15584481 Would be good for another OU legendary like Keldeo.
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>>15583470 Mamoswine is mah nigga, favorite dragon killer and always have him for those kinds of people
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>>15583412 That's the joke, silly.
Ice types need to be fast, powerful, and be able to mitigate their weaknesses.
As such, a Greninja with an Ice Move is a better Ice type than 90% of all actual ice types.
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>>15577673 Avalugg @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 HP / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Avalanche
- Rock Slide
- Recover
- Gyro Ball
Anonymous
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>>15584512 I hope it doesn't look like Keldeo.
Anonymous
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>>15575672 could it survive 2 ice punches from Mega Kangaskhan?
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>>15575607 cloyster is pretty good with its Icicle Spear.
Choice Specs is nice as well.its defense isn't to shabby either
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>>15584481 Would we weak to six different sets, including various types that dragons include on their move pools such as earthquakes, flamthrowers, rock slide, steel and fighting moves are pretty common in dragons too.
Plus, fairies have phsychic moves. If is not a really fast ice/poison it would be useless.
