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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:15:02 No.15579886 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>15580848 >>15582855 >>15583145

Base Speed = 105

Base Attack = 120

Do you boost speed or be greedy and get an attack boosting nature?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:15:52 No.15579891 Report

Quoted By: >>15579922

boosting speed would be the better option but i have an attacking nature and holy shit is it deadly

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:18:28 No.15579918 Report

Quoted By: >>15579974 >>15581115

Greedy
I want to abuse Aerilate and Quick Attack.
Even greedier, I went for Moxie on vanilla Pinsir. Just so I have a chance for a +1 boost before the Mega-Evolution, even though I know Hyper Cutter would probably be better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:18:51 No.15579922 Report

Quoted By: >>15579949

>>15579891
No necessarily talking about Pinsir, Zoroark also has 105 speed and 120 Sp Attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:19:08 No.15579925 Report

Quoted By: >>15579976

general rule: if your pokemon's max speed is 328+, you want a positive nature

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:19:59 No.15579939 Report

Quoted By: >>15579961

Who would you outspeed?

Garchomp and Salamence are the only ones who come to mind

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:20:34 No.15579949 Report

Quoted By: >>15579998

>>15579922
With my Zoroark I went with perfect Sp Atk IVs and Nature, and full Sp. Atk and Speed EVs. It's a monster.

Remu 4871-4498-7869 (Ariados, Gloom, Toxicroak) !!RIyKvtVAc9i

Remu 4871-4498-7869 (Ariados, Gloom, Toxicroak) !!RIyKvtVAc9i Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:21:49 No.15579961 Report

Quoted By: >>15580010 >>15585526

>>15579939
I use Mega pinsir and it outspeeds a lot of the meta right now and one Thrash it kills Garchomp one shot kill. I love this fucker. The only poke that's really a threat is Gale wing Talonflame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:22:33 No.15579974 Report

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>>15579918
shit same

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:22:45 No.15579976 Report

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>>15579925
Wait.....so if the 100 base speed mons don't boost and the mons with HIGHER base speed do boost - then what's the point in YOU boosting?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:24:22 No.15579998 Report

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>>15579949
Same, Perfect IV's except the defense which is a damn shame considering how fragile it is (0 Defense IV's)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:24:28 No.15580000 Report

Quoted By: >>15580015 >>15580026

Are you abusing aerilate quick attack?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:25:24 No.15580010 Report

Quoted By: >>15580030 >>15580042 >>15585526

>>15579961
Wouldn't double edge be better?

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:25:53 No.15580014 Report

Quoted By: >>15580057

I have a bunch of Special Attacker Greninjas that are perfect, and i was working on a new jolly physical one, but then i birthed a perfect Adamant and still not luck with Jolly..

Should i just raise this little shit disturber instead? It will be gloriously greedy.

Planning to run
-Shadow Sneak
-Acrobatics
-Grow Punch
-substitute/protect/DT

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:25:55 No.15580015 Report

Quoted By: >>15580042

>>15580000
should i abuse that or just use return/double edge

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:25:56 No.15580016 Report

Quoted By: >>15580795

>>15579976
>so if the 100 base speed mons don't boost
but they do

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:26:51 No.15580026 Report

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>>15580000
Nice quads

Needs more Swords Dance

Remu 4871-4498-7869 (Ariados, Gloom, Toxicroak) !!RIyKvtVAc9i

Remu 4871-4498-7869 (Ariados, Gloom, Toxicroak) !!RIyKvtVAc9i Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:27:07 No.15580030 Report

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>>15580010
Less recoil and it's basically a outrage for pinsir. I like it more just for 3 on 3 because it normally sweeps anything that switches in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:27:53 No.15580042 Report

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>>15580010
>>15580015
Don't think it learns Double Edge, Return is good enough

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:29:06 No.15580057 Report

Quoted By: >>15580077

>>15580014
Looks alright, why not using Everstone?

1/20 chance of getting the right nature otherwise

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 10:30:58 No.15580077 Report

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>>15580057
i was using a generation to create 1 perfect IV parent, and i am now running everstone on the mom as per usual.

Still not luck with 5/6 IV jolly, just boxes of 4IV or Special attack IV

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 11:03:51 No.15580474 Report

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Always loved Pinsir's design, nice to see it become more powerful and egtting the attention it deserves

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 11:31:44 No.15580795 Report

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>>15580016
Not if they have Dragon Dance (Sala, Gyarados)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 11:36:25 No.15580848 Report

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>>15579886
Back in Gen 3 when I was running lead Mold Breaker Pinsir with Choice Scarf, I ran Jolly.

Faster than Jolteon/ leads which were everywhere. Wrecked Weezing.

Shame Choice Scarf Pinsir is just so much worse than the Aerilate Mega.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 11:56:29 No.15581115 Report

Quoted By: >>15581142

Best Ability?
Moxie
Mold Breaker
Hyper Cutter

>>15579918
I'd go with Mold Breaker although I imagine I'd use Flying Stab more often than Earthquake

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 11:59:34 No.15581142 Report

Quoted By: >>15581266

>>15581115
Keep in mind you'll be losing Mold Breaker when you M-Evolve

I went Jolly on my Pinsir for the record, outspeeding Garchomp and Thrashing him right in the face is beautiful

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:12:36 No.15581266 Report

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>>15581142
Mega Pinsir might survive the attack

but, yeah, the ability is pretty pointless considering it'll lose it

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:17:36 No.15581311 Report

Quoted By: >>15581353 >>15581373 >>15581387 >>15581395 >>15581422 >>15581661

Why no love for the second highest attack stat in the game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:22:34 No.15581353 Report

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>>15581311
It's not the flavor of the week yet. Wait for it, people will come around to complaining about it.

First it was Megachicken. Now it's Mega Khan. All this needs to become topic of the week is for couple people get wasted by it when they weren't prepared, and topics like 'MEGACROSS SO OP' will pop up everywhere.

The fact that butthurt minority is also the most vocal ain't exactly news. Doubly so on /vp/, between kids with their feeling of superiority that causes them to go defensive whenever they lose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:25:42 No.15581373 Report

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>>15581311
Because it's fucking hideous.

How do you fuck up the design for Herracross

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:27:01 No.15581387 Report

Quoted By: >>15581405 >>15581436

>>15581311
Completely pointless ability?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:27:57 No.15581395 Report

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>>15581311
I dont see how that beats a regular choice megahorn

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:28:27 No.15581405 Report

Quoted By: >>15581442

>>15581387
125 STAB seems pretty sweet to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:30:19 No.15581422 Report

Quoted By: >>15581453 >>15581566

>>15581311

Because it sucks. It's inferior to regular Heracross.

Heracross dropped down to UU because it just couldn't keep up. Its best moveset in recent gens has been Choice Scarf to make up for its speed.

The issue with Heracross has never been that it doesn't hit hard enough. No, it fucking hits like a truck. The issue is that it's in an awful speed tier for an offensive Pokemon.

Moxie Choice Scarf Heracross is way, way better than anything Mega Hera could do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:31:22 No.15581436 Report

Quoted By: >>15581453

>>15581387

But it gets Arm Thrust and Bullet Seed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:31:51 No.15581442 Report

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>>15581405
Oh right, Pin Missile, some fucker told me Arm Thrust was its only multi-hit option.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:33:08 No.15581453 Report

Quoted By: >>15581490 >>15581493 >>15581515

>>15581436
Arm Thrust only has 5 more BP than Close Combat

>>15581422
More Bulk though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:35:55 No.15581490 Report

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>>15581453
>More Bulk though
Still gets wrecked by a breeze (Pinsir, Talonflame)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:36:14 No.15581493 Report

Quoted By: >>15581508 >>15581515

>>15581453
Arm Thrust has 75 base power with SL actually, it's trash compared to Close Combat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:37:45 No.15581508 Report

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>>15581493

Breaks through subs and sashes though.

Mega Heracross seems like it's made to be a bulky attacker. Arm Thrust would be preferable since it doesn't lower your defenses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:38:06 No.15581515 Report

Quoted By: >>15581572

>>15581453
>>15581493

>what is pin missile

1934 - 0658 - 8398 (Paras, Masquerain, Heracross)

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1934 - 0658 - 8398 (Paras, Masquerain, Heracross) Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:40:18 No.15581537 Report

Quoted By: >>15581670 >>15583231

What are some good partners for Mega Pinsir?

>Magnezone to fuck up Skarmory

>Bulky water (?) for Talonflame

>Rapid Spin/Defogger?

What else?

1934 - 0658 - 8398 (Paras, Masquerain, Heracross)

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1934 - 0658 - 8398 (Paras, Masquerain, Heracross) Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:42:52 No.15581566 Report

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>>15581422
Don't forget, the introduction of Fairy really fucks over Hera. It resists both his stab moves.

I like Heracross more than Pinsir, but it's pretty clear who the winner is now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:43:18 No.15581572 Report

Quoted By: >>15581602

>>15581515
Not good enough - WE WANT SPEED

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:46:23 No.15581602 Report

Quoted By: >>15581638

>>15581572
this is not Gen 5. Look at the meta. People tried depending on speedy Megaskhans, Megachickens, and they get owned by bulky ghosts.

Speed in Gen 6 is not what it used to be. Adapt or be laughed at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:49:49 No.15581638 Report

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>>15581602
>bulky ghosts.
More like washing machines

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:51:45 No.15581661 Report

Quoted By: >>15581812

>>15581311
I've been kind of itching to try a Bulk Up-based set with this guy, but I don't know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:52:36 No.15581670 Report

Quoted By: >>15581710

>>15581537
>Bulky water
Jelliscent comes to mind, but that's spA bulk, and you want physical for talonflame. How about Omastar? it has rocks to take out fire-flying, and can rapid spin IIRC

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 12:55:35 No.15581710 Report

Quoted By: >>15581834

>>15581670
Omastar doesn't get Rapid Spin, but Kabutops does iirc.

What about Barbaracle? Can easily come in on Talonflame and essentially get a free Shell Smash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 13:03:57 No.15581812 Report

Quoted By: >>15581826

>>15581661
Bulk Up
Rest
Sleep Talk
Pin Missile

Kill everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 13:04:49 No.15581826 Report

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>>15581812
Considering like 7 types resist Bug now I'm not sure that would be so good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 13:05:18 No.15581834 Report

Quoted By: >>15582770

>>15581710
I've been using Kabutops as a Talonflame check, and he's alright at it, but Barbaracle would be even better.

I've had mixed success with Bisharp switching into the Brave Bird and then Sucker Punching the Flare Blitz, but you gotta watch out for Will O Wisp

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 14:04:54 No.15582770 Report

Quoted By: >>15582781

>>15581834
Kabuops and Pinsir, two fucking badasses

Is Kabutops good now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 14:06:07 No.15582781 Report

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>>15582770
Not especially

Dont get me wrong, he's not terrible, he's just at pretty much the same place he was in the previous Gen. Looks pretty good in the new engine though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 14:10:40 No.15582855 Report

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>>15579886
Pinsir and Scolipede combo 4 lyfe.
>Swords Dance
>Speed Boost kicks in
>Baton Pass to Pinsir
>Get a kill with Pinsir if I know it's possible
>Moxie boost
>Activate Mega
>Win the game

Had these in my team last Gen, but they were nowhere near as threatening.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 14:32:47 No.15583145 Report

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>>15579886
Base attack is actually 155 on Mega Pinsir.
Normal Pinsir is 120 with 85 Speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 14:39:15 No.15583231 Report

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>>15581537
Assault Vest Tyranitar means Skarmory and Talonflame will never be an issue if you run it mixed with Fire Blast.

3rd poke could be a Slowbro or SubBurn Rotom Wash if Skarmory is being a pain and you don't want to run Fire Blast

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 16:41:14 No.15585526 Report

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>>15579961
>>15580010
>Not using return

Fucking pleb.

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