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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:11:12 No.15598851 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>15598872 >>15599530 >>15602913 >>15605457

So who to use? Megazard X or Y?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:11:52 No.15598872 Report

Quoted By: >>15598891

>>15598851
Edgyzard is life. Fuck Yzard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:12:22 No.15598891 Report

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>>15598872

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:13:51 No.15598941 Report

Quoted By: >>15599078 >>15610123

Y is like a better Charizard while X is like a better Salamence. From there, it's easy to guess which one is the strongest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:15:41 No.15599013 Report

Quoted By: >>15599108

Xzard obviously
and if youre like me (salamence fangirl) you can have a shiny Xzard and a salamence on the same team and ITS LIKE HAVING 2 SALAMENCES

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:17:31 No.15599078 Report

Quoted By: >>15599114 >>15599115 >>15604351

>>15598941

> X is like a better Salamence
>can't wear a fucking scarf and easily crippled by t-wave

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:18:24 No.15599108 Report

Quoted By: >>15599171

>>15599013
>I'm a girl btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:18:32 No.15599114 Report

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>>15599078
bow down to your lord X

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:18:35 No.15599115 Report

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>>15599078
>using scarfed Salamance

Real men use DDance Mance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:19:58 No.15599171 Report

Quoted By: >>15599250 >>15599323 >>15599352 >>15599379 >>15605386

>>15599108
sorry i should have said salamence fanboy, no grills on le internet xD

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:20:56 No.15599199 Report

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>shiny Xzard is just red instead of blue

Fuck. I was hoping it'd be either traditional charizard colours or something cool like a bright white.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:22:35 No.15599250 Report

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>>15599171
>xD

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:23:33 No.15599284 Report

Quoted By: >>15599368

>Charizard Y
>has Drought, but weather is nerfed so it only lasts 5 turns.
>Drought powered Fire Blast
>instant SolarBeam under the sun, rekts Water-types
>still Fire/Flying, so it gets #rekt by Rocks.
>mediocre Special Movepool

Charizard X
>stab Fire Blitz/ Fire Punch, Dragon Claw/Outraged, boosted by Tough Claws
>literally only weak to two types
>takes neutral Damage from Water, Ice, and Fairy. Resists Electric-type moves.
>loses 4x weakness to rocks
>loses inmunity to EQ
>potential to be a Mixed sweeper if you're into that kind of thing.
>access to DDance

Pick your poison, OP.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:24:38 No.15599323 Report

Quoted By: >>15602269

>>15599171
>le internet XD

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:25:10 No.15599340 Report

Quoted By: >>15599413 >>15599552 >>15599572 >>15599724

Am I the only one who loves Charizard Y over Charizard X?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:25:29 No.15599352 Report

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>>15599171

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:25:59 No.15599368 Report

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>>15599284
this happens to me every time i battle online
>go, charizard!
>mega ring react blah blah blah
>mega charizard x
>opponent used thunderbolt
>its not very effective
le master trole

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:26:18 No.15599379 Report

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>>15599171
>le internet xD

>inb4 samefag

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:26:25 No.15599382 Report

Quoted By: >>15599443 >>15599987

Competitively or in-game? In-game, it doesn't matter, use whose design you like more. Competitively, Yzard is better since it can at least function as a suicide sun lead. Xzard is just an inferior Salamence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:27:12 No.15599407 Report

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Neither, they're both still shit and a waste of a team slot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:27:24 No.15599413 Report

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>>15599340
At first I liked X more because of the color scheme but fuck it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:27:46 No.15599431 Report

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Yzard all the way, too bad I got Pokemon X because Majestic as fuck deer>>>Edgy bird

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:28:12 No.15599443 Report

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>>15599382
>Xzard is just an inferior Salamence.

No it isn't, it's the exact opposite. Xzard is a better DDance Salamance.

L 2621-2774-6103

L 2621-2774-6103 Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:30:28 No.15599530 Report

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>>15598851
charixard y if you're into aesthetic and want an upgraded charizard
charizard x if you dont want to get raped by rock slide and thunderbolt

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:30:49 No.15599542 Report

Quoted By: >>15599658 >>15599879

A decent Y can deal a shit ton of damage with Flamethrower (Or heat wave in double/tripple battles), and use Solarbeam to cover most of its weaknesses.

Try something like
Quiet
252 Sp.Atk/252 Spd
Flamethrower
Solar Beam
Dragon Pulse
Protect/Flame Charge (Protect if using a full Sunny Day team to set up a free Drought before switching out for a grass type, Flame Charge if he's the only one who really cares about the harsh sun).

Only thing you need to watch out for is surprise rock slides, since even unstabbed, they'll still OHKO him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:31:08 No.15599552 Report

Quoted By: >>15599595

>>15599340
Not at all. Y is objectively better and I don't get how people can't see that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:31:44 No.15599572 Report

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>>15599340
I like Y more than X, altough the official art is much more flattering To Charizard X

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:32:12 No.15599595 Report

Quoted By: >>15610465

>>15599552
Because you're objectively wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:33:51 No.15599658 Report

Quoted By: >>15599764

>>15599542
Yeah rocks are a huge problem for Megazard Y. Even reflect can't save him when the Rock Slide's are un-STAB'd too. But having an auto firing Solar Beam on Rock/Ground/Water types is really helpful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:36:08 No.15599724 Report

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>>15599340
Nah, I love mine. Lead my BM team through its 23 battle win streak almost by itself, and I could have gone longer if either A) I'd taken the time to breed Dragon Pulse onto him or B)I remembered that, under a harsh sun, Tangrowth outspeeds almost everyone, or C)the computer didn't cheat (Somehow a normal Charizard went before mine and OHKOed me with Rock Slide).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:36:26 No.15599734 Report

Quoted By: >>15600044

Daily reminder that people who say Yzard is better are the same people who run King's Shield on Aegislash and use Modest instead of Timid/Naive Greninja.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:37:10 No.15599764 Report

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>>15599658
His only issue is super bulky rocks that aren't also part ground.

3711-8114-4093(Pachirisu, Stunfisk, Manetric)

3711-8114-4093(Pachirisu, Stunfisk, Manetric) Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:37:17 No.15599770 Report

Quoted By: >>15599819

does anybody have a Zardite Y they are willing to part with?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:38:36 No.15599819 Report

Quoted By: >>15599896 >>15599941

>>15599770
If you can trade me a Zard X, i'm up for it.

I want muh dex entries

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:40:27 No.15599879 Report

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>>15599542
Quiet nature lowers speed you retard.

Genesis 3540-0119-5580

Genesis 3540-0119-5580 Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:40:58 No.15599896 Report

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>>15599819
Also, postan FC

3711-8114-4093(Pachirisu, Stunfisk, Manetric)

3711-8114-4093(Pachirisu, Stunfisk, Manetric) Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:42:01 No.15599941 Report

Quoted By: >>15600008

>>15599819
Already traded it off, but I do have a Mewtwonite X I can give you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:43:25 No.15599987 Report

Quoted By: >>15600066 >>15604516

>>15599382

Competitively. I'm edging for X due to the weather nerf.

Charizard @ Charizardite X
Jolly Nature
252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw / Outrage
Flare Blitz
Earthquake / Brick Break

Charizard @ Charizardite Y
Timid / Modest Nature
252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Overheat / Fire Blast / Flamethrower
Solarbeam
Focus Blast
HP Ground / HP Ice / Ancientpower

X looks better due to DDance though.

Genesis 3540-0119-5580

Genesis 3540-0119-5580 Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:43:57 No.15600008 Report

Quoted By: >>15600055

>>15599941
A friend traded me the Mewtwo X

Try WFG, I'm sure someone will be willing to trade stones

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:44:48 No.15600044 Report

Quoted By: >>15600099

>>15599734
What about people who run Hasty Greninjas?

3711-8114-4093(Pachirisu, Stunfisk, Manetric)

3711-8114-4093(Pachirisu, Stunfisk, Manetric) Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:45:07 No.15600055 Report

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>>15600008
Alright cool, thanks anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:45:19 No.15600066 Report

Quoted By: >>15600303

>>15599987
Tough Claws is also a God-tier ability. And Fire/Dragon is a pretty good typing, especially with the introduction of Fairy-types

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:46:26 No.15600099 Report

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>>15600044
>Get rekd by almost all priority
Yeah Hasty is stupid too

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:48:16 No.15600178 Report

Quoted By: >>15600325 >>15602384

Charizard Y's lack of boosting moves kills it. 100 Base Speed simply isn't enough for a sweeper, and Base 159 SpA - while fantastic - is unfortunately not good enough on its own to OHKO a lot of things that can OHKO you right back.

Charizard X, on the other hand, is a fantastic DD sweeper. It's hugely predictable, because the DD set is about the only one it can run, but when you've got Fire/Dragon coverage (only resisted by Heatran, Azumarill and Carbink), along with either Thunderpunch or Earthquake to round out your set depending on what things you really want to beat (although TP isn't available until December), then you don't exactly need to be unpredictable.

For reference, a +1 Atk / Jolly Tough Claws Outrage from Mega Charizard X is actually stronger than Timid Drought Fire Blast from Mega Charizard Y. Literally Y's only advantage is that he hits harder on Turn 1.

Y would be better if weather wasn't nerfed. But it was, so he isn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:51:16 No.15600303 Report

Quoted By: >>15600386 >>15600393

>>15600066

Speaking of Tough Claws, has anyone tried Shell Smash Barbacle yet? He gets Tough Claws and a really good physical movepool with 105 Atk, 68 Speed (just 2 lower than Cloyster) The only thing he's missing is Aqua Jet which for some reason he doesn't get.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:51:44 No.15600325 Report

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>>15600178
I love Y and all but I will admit this guy's got very valid point. I still love Y over X but from a statistical standpoint, X is better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:53:15 No.15600386 Report

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>>15600303
A lot of people have run Shell Smash Barbaracle's and they're unstoppable if they can get off that SS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:53:20 No.15600393 Report

Quoted By: >>15600536

>>15600303
Is this set good?

Jolly
@Focus Sash
252 Att / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Shell Smash
Razor Shell
Stone Edge
Cross Chop

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 00:57:48 No.15600536 Report

Quoted By: >>15603648

>>15600393

Probably a set that I will run. Does Stone Edge count as a 'makes contact' move though?

Steve 2063-0320-5328 [Tangela, Sawsbuck, Maractus]

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Steve 2063-0320-5328 [Tangela, Sawsbuck, Maractus] Tue 05 Nov 2013 01:43:37 No.15602269 Report

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>>15599323
>Falling for the b8

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 01:46:38 No.15602384 Report

Quoted By: >>15603972

>>15600178

What you fail to realize is, X is an inferior salamence, whereas nobody can do the job Y does.
Once the outraging salamences come over in december, you wont ever see mega charizard X again, but you will see Y. Y is better as he actually has a niche as a weather sweeper that sets up his own weather.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 01:53:52 No.15602645 Report

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Why do people rave over the Weather nerf?
5 turns is still plenty long enough to do your job before you get a stone to your face.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:02:07 No.15602913 Report

Quoted By: >>15603195

>>15598851
This pic is inaccurate.
Where's the blue toothpaste pouring out of Edgyzard's mouth?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:09:15 No.15603195 Report

Quoted By: >>15603507

>>15602913
you dumb cunt it's a shiny Charizard Y

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:17:40 No.15603507 Report

Quoted By: >>15603663 >>15603766 >>15603774 >>15604048

>>15603195
W-well what does shiny X look like?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:21:27 No.15603648 Report

Quoted By:

>>15600536
Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:22:01 No.15603663 Report

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>>15603507
Red inner wings instead of blue, Fire-beard still remains the same.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:24:42 No.15603766 Report

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>>15603507

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:24:56 No.15603774 Report

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>>15603507
like Salamence

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:30:08 No.15603972 Report

Quoted By: >>15604167

>>15602384
>What you fail to realize is, X is an inferior salamence, whereas nobody can do the job Y does.

Why do people keep saying this? It's the complete opposite. Salamance does not have the same amount of resistances as Zard X. Salamance does not have Tough Claws, and does not have STAB Fire Blitz,

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:32:15 No.15604048 Report

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>>15603507
from my cart, pic is shit cause blue background

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:35:39 No.15604167 Report

Quoted By: >>15604267 >>15604332 >>15604473 >>15604530

>>15603972

Because life orbed salamence hits harder than Char X, and is immune to EQ, and is faster.

So yes Salamence is superior.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:37:02 No.15604225 Report

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>/moxie/ thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:38:30 No.15604267 Report

Quoted By: >>15604619

>>15604167
>Because life orbed salamence hits harder than Char X

No it doesn't. A Tough Claws boosted STAB Outrage from a Jolly Zard X after a single DDance will do more than a Life Orb Mance Outrage with a single DDance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:39:49 No.15604310 Report

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Edgyzard is agurably the best Dragon Dancer in the game because of typing.

I say, use that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:40:23 No.15604332 Report

Quoted By: >>15604416 >>15604619

>>15604167
>Because life orbed salamence hits harder than Char X
It doesn't.

>and is immune to EQ
Point taken, but it won't mather much when you will outsped everything that has EQ with a DDance

>and is faster.
It's not. They have the same Speed. 100.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:40:51 No.15604351 Report

Quoted By:

>>15599078
>Scarf

He was talking about Dragon Dance, which Edgyzard does better because of its typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:42:46 No.15604416 Report

Quoted By: >>15604534 >>15604552

>>15604332
>it will survive the turn to DD in the first place

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:44:04 No.15604463 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:44:16 No.15604473 Report

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>>15604167
>Immune to earthquake

Its also 4x weak to ice. Zard X literally has like...2 weaknesses and none of them are quads, meanwhile its neutral to a bunch of things that people attack it first turn with (where it can just Mega evolve to block the SE damage) it literally has the best potential to setup that I've seen for a while in a pokemon.

>life orb salamence hits harder than Char X

Are you serious?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:45:22 No.15604516 Report

Quoted By:

>>15599987
>running Charizard Y without Dragon Pulse
Nope, Heatran hasn't become a factor yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:45:43 No.15604530 Report

Quoted By:

>>15604167

The only correct point in this post is EQ immune.

How about you take sixty seconds and check Serebii before you start spouting bullshit next time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:45:51 No.15604534 Report

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>>15604416
>it will survive the turn to DD in the first place

What makes you think it won't? The only thing Salamance has over Edgyzard in terms of defense is Inmunity to EQ and 13 more points in HP. Edgyzard has more physical and special Bulk, and much more resistances than Salamance.

Saying Salamance it's superior just because it will survive to EQ is silly because Salamance won't survive an Ice Beam either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:46:13 No.15604552 Report

Quoted By: >>15604626 >>15604723

>>15604416
Chances are...it will. Because of its typing and ability to fake out people, since they don't know if its gonna turn to Y or X. You have a water type on Charizard, logic dictates that you should use surf. Zard transforms into Xard, takes the hit, sets up, sweeps.

He can also use this to his advantage when theres something trying to earthquake it and not transform until after you've set up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:47:57 No.15604619 Report

Quoted By: >>15604717 >>15604788 >>15604917 >>15604930

>>15604332
>>15604267

I highly doubt that, tough claws is what a 33% boost? and ONLY boosts physical contact moves. Wheras life orb boosts EVERY move salamence does. Making salamence the superior mixed sweeper. Salamence has more options and doesnt lose 50% of his health upon entry to SR. And yes you have to enter as a charizard before you mega evolve.

Salamence is the superior DD user and doesn't waste your mega slot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:48:06 No.15604626 Report

Quoted By: >>15604919

>>15604552
Chances are they've given up on water moves like Surf in the sun, hoping to do deal damage with Rocks or Electric.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:50:18 No.15604717 Report

Quoted By: >>15604916

>>15604619
>>15604619
We are talking about DDance. Not Mixed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:50:22 No.15604723 Report

Quoted By: >>15604836 >>15604863

>>15604552
Nope, my Garchomp will OHKO it with a Stone edge, not even needing to use a STAB EQ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:51:56 No.15604788 Report

Quoted By: >>15604916

>>15604619
>DDance on a mixed Salamance
>implying only boosting physical contact moves is a bad thing when everything Xard needs is physical contact moves and without Life Orb recoil
>stealth rocks mattering anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:53:06 No.15604836 Report

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>>15604723
Garchomp can OHKO nearly everything, including Salamance. What's your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:53:46 No.15604863 Report

Quoted By: >>15604982

>>15604723
>Zard X is going to try and setup on a Garchomp
>Pokemon is 1v1

This is your logic right now. Are you that anally ravaged that Charizard is actually good now? Or are you just mad that Garchomps mega is shit and Salamence now gets outclassed by X?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:54:52 No.15604916 Report

Quoted By: >>15604966 >>15604992 >>15605001

>>15604717

We are comparing mence to shitzard, and all good mence are mixed sweepers with DD.

>>15604788
>stealth rocks mattering anymore

Sure son, let's see how much shitzard is used come december when stealth rocks is back full force.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:54:55 No.15604917 Report

Quoted By: >>15605052 >>15605100 >>15605142 >>15605205

>>15604619
IIRC Tough Claws gives a 50% boost.
You're arguing points that nobody is contending here. Charizard X isn't TRYING to be a mixed sweeper, he's a physical sweeper you fucking retard. His physical moves do more damage than Salamence's can, his STAB coverage is far superior, and his typing is much better for setting up. The enemy will likely be afraid to use Earthquake as well for fear of Mega Charizard Y.

By the way, even if Tough Claws only gave a 33% boost, that's still better than Life Orb, which gives only 30%.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:54:57 No.15604919 Report

Quoted By: >>15605005

>>15604626
I'm not even going to bother with you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:55:13 No.15604930 Report

Quoted By: >>15605052

>>15604619
>tough claws is what a 33% boost?

Which is more than Life Orb's boost, which is 30%

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:56:13 No.15604966 Report

Quoted By: >>15605052

>>15604916
>Charizard X is a mixed sweeper

Do you even know what tough claws does?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:56:33 No.15604982 Report

Quoted By: >>15605085 >>15605113

>>15604863

Mence still outclasses X. As mence is actually capable of being a mixed sweeper, is immune to EQ and isn't raped by stealth rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:56:54 No.15604992 Report

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>>15604916
> "shitzard"

Yeah, I'm not going to bother anymore.

The delusion this board has is amazing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:57:09 No.15605001 Report

Quoted By: >>15605128

>>15604916
> come december when stealth rocks is back full force.
December doesn't stop any form of Charizard being able to roost off damage and only taking 25% next time it comes in, doesn't stop Zard X from being well used in Pokebank OU where everything you could get from December is already out, doesn't stop Defog's buffs, doesn't do anything really except give you some sort of false hope thinking that this thing doesn't outclass DDmence so hard it's not even funny to laugh at anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:57:16 No.15605005 Report

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>>15604919
thats cuz no one cared about your hypothetical little story

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:58:23 No.15605052 Report

Quoted By: >>15605141 >>15605212

>>15604917
Touch claws is a 33% boost retard.

>>15604930
And is restricted to physical moves only

>>15604966
Are you a fucking spastic? where in that post shit for brains do I say X is a mixed sweeper? that is my point against him, he is limited to ONLY physical sweeping whereas Salmence has options of being a mixed sweeper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:58:57 No.15605085 Report

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>>15604982
>is immune to EQ
And it's also 4x weak to Ice Beam, and 2x to Dazzling gleam.

>isn't raped by stealth rock.
Defog. Also Xard takes the same amount of damage as Salamance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:59:18 No.15605100 Report

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>>15604917
You're forgeting that MegaZard X CAN be a pretty good Mixed Sweeper by the fact that its both attacks are 130.

An Overheat even uninvested will hit hard as fuck. Almost as hard as a Draco Meteor coming from a Standar Mix Mence

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 02:59:40 No.15605113 Report

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>>15604982
>implying that Charizard X needs to be a mixed sweeper
>implying you'll try to use Earthquake on Charizard when it could be a Charizard Y
>implying anyone using Charizard won't have Defog/Rapid Spin on their team

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:00:03 No.15605128 Report

Quoted By: >>15605204 >>15605274 >>15605312

>>15605001

Oh so you found a way to start the match as charzizard X then? because that's the only way you are taking 25% from sr son.

>but muh lead

Good luck with that, enjoy the stone edge turn one from their lead Ttar

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:00:21 No.15605141 Report

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>>15605052
>And is restricted to physical moves only

Which is what Xard only needs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:00:24 No.15605142 Report

Quoted By:

>>15604917
>Charizard X isn't TRYING to be a mixed sweeper

Well he's certainly trying, what with all that Special Attack and his move pool. It's just not the best set for him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:01:48 No.15605204 Report

Quoted By:

>>15605128
>Pokemon is 1vs1

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:01:53 No.15605205 Report

Quoted By: >>15605328

>>15604917

>Implying you don't suffer from severe down syndrome
>Implying you shouldn't just kill yourself
>Implying tough claws is a 50% boost

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:02:09 No.15605212 Report

Quoted By:

>>15605052
How does that outclass Zard X?

Mence is a mixed sweeper for 1 turn until after it uses Draco Meteor, then you have to either switch out or set up Dragon Dance.

Zard X sets up in 1 turn with Dragon Dance, and virtually the only thing that stops it is a pokemon with Thick fat.

Try to comprehend just how hard Flare Blitz and Outrage hit with Tough Claws. Charizard X doesn't care about being a mixed sweeper, even though he can run it with fire instead of Dragon.
>Overheat
>Blast Burn

Another advantage is the fact that Outrage is now nerfed because of how much of a bait it is to switch into a fairy type. Dragon Claw on Mence basically means it can't OHKO, whereas Zard X can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:04:05 No.15605274 Report

Quoted By: >>15605402

>>15605128
>4 Atk Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Charizard: 254-300 (85.52 - 101.01%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO
I'm pretty sure I'd be okay with a 6% chance.
Especially considering
>252+ Atk Life Orb Charizard Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 437-515 (108.16 - 127.47%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Life Orb there to represent Tough Claws

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:04:41 No.15605295 Report

Quoted By:

I don't want to be that guy and bring Smogon's word as it law but...yeah pretty much everybody there's is agreeing than Zard X is a better DDance Mance, provided he has the appropiate team support such as a Rapid Spinner/Defogger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:04:58 No.15605312 Report

Quoted By: >>15605476

>>15605128
Yeah you can start the match with Zard X. All you have to do is select it as the first pokemon in your team and mega evolve.

Typing change takes place as soon as it mega evolves so it doesn't give a fuck about anything except rocks and ground so it can freely use the no-tough claws turn to setup.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:05:20 No.15605328 Report

Quoted By:

>>15605205
>dat ad hominem
>implying I said the boost was 50% with 100% certainty
(hint: I didn't)

Majora - 3625-9186-1034 | Poison, Seviper, Venomoth, ???

Majora - 3625-9186-1034 | Poison, Seviper, Venomoth, ??? Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:05:26 No.15605332 Report

Quoted By: >>15605534

May as well...

Anybody want my Charizardite Y for their X?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:06:52 No.15605386 Report

Quoted By:

>>15599171
Or you know, you could just say fan?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:07:08 No.15605402 Report

Quoted By:

>>15605274
Charizard gets 130 attack as X so this just proves further.

X also gets 111 defense while Y keeps vanillas low 78 defense.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:08:03 No.15605430 Report

Quoted By:

Jesus, calm the fuck down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:08:44 No.15605457 Report

Quoted By:

>>15598851
Megazard Y doesn't even look like that, it's a brighter purple and not at all black like it should be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:09:11 No.15605476 Report

Quoted By: >>15605590

>>15605312
>so it can freely use the no-tough claws turn to setup.
The only change that isn't applied turn 1 is speed/priority and that's only because turn order is applied before mega evolution.

You still have all your physical/defensive buffs, including abilities.

Duck 5258-0018-2331 (Tangela, Petilil, Maractus)

Duck 5258-0018-2331 (Tangela, Petilil, Maractus) Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:10:36 No.15605534 Report

Quoted By: >>15605681

>>15605332
you still here? I have an extra X and I'll do that trade

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:11:48 No.15605590 Report

Quoted By: >>15605671

>>15605476
So why are people so mad then?

The only thing that OHKOs Zard X is stone miss and earthquake and thats assuming its coming from STAB.

He can ALSO be a mixed sweeper with a move that isn't bait to be switched into a fairy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:14:00 No.15605671 Report

Quoted By: >>15605714 >>15605790

>>15605590
/vp/'s bandwagon. I'm not even bother trying to discuss competitive here anymore. This is the retards that run King's shield Aegislash.

Majora - 3625-9186-1034 | Poison, Seviper, Venomoth, ???

Majora - 3625-9186-1034 | Poison, Seviper, Venomoth, ??? Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:14:14 No.15605681 Report

Quoted By: >>15605817 >>15605876

>>15605534
Oh, shit, thanks man.

Adding

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:15:04 No.15605714 Report

Quoted By:

>>15605671
>This is the retards that run King's shield Aegislash.
Not running his most effective, albeit predictable, set is just being a hipster.

Sub gets rid of every single problem you can have with king's shield.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:16:48 No.15605790 Report

Quoted By:

>>15605671
The only thing retarded about kings shield is using it on the first turn, keeping it to switch into defensive mode when necessary is not a bad idea.

Duck 5258-0018-2331 (Tangela, Petilil, Maractus)

Duck 5258-0018-2331 (Tangela, Petilil, Maractus) Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:17:44 No.15605817 Report

Quoted By: >>15605842

>>15605681
for some reason I can't trade request you. can you do it to me?

Majora - 3625-9186-1034 | Poison, Seviper, Venomoth, ???

Majora - 3625-9186-1034 | Poison, Seviper, Venomoth, ??? Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:18:22 No.15605842 Report

Quoted By:

>>15605817
Yeah, what's your IGN?

Duck 5258-0018-2331 (Tangela, Petilil, Maractus)

Duck 5258-0018-2331 (Tangela, Petilil, Maractus) Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:19:12 No.15605876 Report

Quoted By:

>>15605681
Also if you stay online I'll tell you what your third safari poke is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:20:24 No.15605921 Report

Quoted By:

Y is for Sun Teams
X is a more versatile option

Charizard Y is pretty sweet since you can Solar Power off the Drought from Ninetails and then Mega when it runs out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:21:47 No.15605979 Report

Quoted By: >>15606134 >>15606314

To everybody argueing about salamence vs char X.

Salamence is undoubtedly the better physical and mixed sweeper.

Why you ask?

Moxie. Moxie shits on tough claws, and after koing one pokemon salamence is hitting far harder than Char X ever will.

Anybody who says otherwise is objectively wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:25:44 No.15606134 Report

Quoted By: >>15606319

>>15605979
>I need to kill to get the boost
>typing

See this is where you're wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:30:25 No.15606314 Report

Quoted By: >>15606365

>>15605979
>Moxie
>worth shit on anything except a choice scarfed set which is shut down now due to fairy existing
Salamence was good as an auto win button, but you have to actually think using dragon dance. You also don't have any options at all if a Togekiss or something jumps in, because your special attack isn't boosted, whereas Charizard can blow off a STAB, already boosted Flare Blitz

After one revenge kill to get a moxie, they'll probably send something in to scare you away since you only have coverage options, unlike Charizard and his unresisted STAB (bar two) taking up 2 moveslots

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:30:36 No.15606319 Report

Quoted By: >>15606389 >>15606494

>>15606134

Do you know what sweeping is? It implies you will be killing multiple of your opponents pokemon. Guess who is better at this, pro tip, it isn't the one with tough claws.

And salamences typing makes him immune to one of the most dangerous and overused moves in the game, what's your point??

Are you addicted to being wrong or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:31:54 No.15606365 Report

Quoted By: >>15606476 >>15606644

>>15606314

Are you retarded? Salamence has just as good a coverage as charizard. Sure Charizard has stronger fire moves, but mence hits harder with EQ.

Moxie is the superior ability for physical sweepers, deal with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:32:40 No.15606389 Report

Quoted By: >>15606824

>>15606319
Give me a good argument instead of just saying I'm wrong. You don't seem to realize just how hard X hits with Tough Claws, he doesn't even need Outrage to OHKO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:34:59 No.15606476 Report

Quoted By: >>15606824

>>15606365
>but mence hits harder with EQ.
Dragon/Ground isn't even good coverage before fairies. You had shit like Skarmory and Rotom Wash to deal with.
Now you're just hard countered by togekiss, unless you want to try your hand at 5KOing it with Fire Blast.

Moxie's only the better ability for Physical sweepers with all their coverage covered and who can guarantee kills. Salamence can't even do that anymore.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:35:29 No.15606494 Report

Quoted By: >>15606824 >>15607331

>>15606319
>Zard X is 2x weak to two things
>neutral to everything else
>Mence is 2x weak to rocks, fairy and 4x weak to ice

You are literally grasping at straws.

Just to add a little more, Mence's choice scarf set is used a lot more than his DD set.

Duck 5258-0018-2331 (Tangela, Petilil, Maractus)

Duck 5258-0018-2331 (Tangela, Petilil, Maractus) Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:37:01 No.15606569 Report

Quoted By:

Hey Majora. even though you're online, it won't let me see your third poke. weird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:39:05 No.15606644 Report

Quoted By: >>15606798

>>15606365
>just as good coverage as charizard
Almost unresisted STAB says otherwise
>mence hits harder with EQ
Are you comparing Salamence's EQ to Charizard's EQ or to it's Fire-type moves? Charizard's Flare Blitz hit's harder than Salamence's EQ and Charizard's EQ doesn't need to be stronger because it's reserved for Heatran anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:42:37 No.15606798 Report

Quoted By:

>>15606644
EQ helps it get through Aegislash as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:43:07 No.15606824 Report

Quoted By: >>15607367

>>15606389

You have yet to give me an argument. Moxie means that Salamence is a better sweeper, how hard is that to understand? do you actually know what moxie does? pro tip, it means after the first kill he hits harder than Charizard X, unless charizard x wants to waste turns setting up more DD's, ofcourse salamence would be using that time sweeping their team instead.

>>15606476
EQ is plenty of coverage, and you act as if salamence can't deal with skarmory, you do realise he has fire blast?, and he doesnt need spc attack buffs for that to matter against skarmory.

>>15606494
>IT HAS WEAKNESSES THAT MEANS IT'S A BAD POGEMON STOP PROVING ME WRONG :(

Yea no wonder Tyranitar is NU with all the other garbage with more than one weakness.

Get a real argument. Moxie is the better ability for a sweeper and ultimately allows Salamence to easily outdamage Char X, which being immune to EQm having a higher damaging EQ and last but not least, leaving you a free mega slot for something useful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:54:52 No.15607331 Report

Quoted By:

>>15606494
>Literally

There's that word again.

Hey mate you are literally retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 03:55:47 No.15607367 Report

Quoted By: >>15607764

>>15606824
>after the first kill he hits harder than Charizard X
Too bad whatever switches in after that first kill will force you out, most likely
> unless charizard x wants to waste turns setting up more DD's
He doesn't need more than one DD because of STAB Dragon/Fire's amazing coverage
>you do realise he has fire blast?
Pick Fire Blast or Stone Edge, you're getting walled by Togekiss or Skarmory, respectively.
>IT HAS WEAKNESSES THAT MEANS IT'S A BAD POGEMON STOP PROVING ME WRONG :(
Coming from the guy who says Charizard is bad because of his SR weakness despite Defog and Rapid Spin being available (Case in point: Volcarona)
>being immune to EQ
Doesn't matter, EQ isn't going to be used on Charizard on the turn it mega-evolves and after that he'll have +1 speed
>higher damaging EQ
Once again, doesn't matter. Charizard's STAB coverage is more than enough and EQ would only be use for Heatran and Aegislash
>free mega slot for something useful
Charizard X is useful, faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 04:04:02 No.15607764 Report

Quoted By: >>15607857 >>15607945 >>15608040

>>15607367
>Too bad whatever switches in after that first kill will force you out, most likely

Now you are grasping at straws, you wont start an attempted sweep with a hard counter still on their team, don't be more of a spastic than you already are now.

>He doesn't need more than one DD because of STAB Dragon/Fire's amazing coverage

Heatran, case closed.

>Pick Fire Blast or Stone Edge, you're getting walled by Togekiss or Skarmory, respectively.

Good job there are more than 1 pokemon on the team

>Coming from the guy who says Charizard is bad because of his SR weakness despite Defog and Rapid Spin being available

Sr was and will be a massive force within the meta. And Unlike charizard X, volcorona has it's own niche. Salamence out does X in his.

>Doesn't matter, EQ isn't going to be used on Charizard on the turn it mega-evolves and after that he'll have +1 speed

Emga evolving takes priority, they can use EQ, hit you the turn you mega evolve and 1 hit ko you, they can also force you out and hit you with an EQ next time as once you mega evolve you can't go back. Good luck with those garchomps.

Charizard X is only useful as long as Salamence doesn't have outrage, that problem will be fixed in December.

Hope you had fun being wrong son, I'm out of this thread. /vp/ knows nothing of competitive battling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 04:06:06 No.15607857 Report

Quoted By: >>15607971

>>15607764
Someone got mighty mad here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 04:08:22 No.15607945 Report

Quoted By:

>>15607764
How can someone generalize all of the board on one person? also, just found a shiny klefki

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 04:08:59 No.15607971 Report

Quoted By: >>15608002

>>15607857

Someone got mighty told here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 04:09:55 No.15608002 Report

Quoted By:

>>15607971
>implying I'm the same anon
I call them as I see them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 04:10:44 No.15608040 Report

Quoted By: >>15608271 >>15608432

>>15607764
Ah, good job ignoring several major points, but whatever. All I have to say at this point is that you're a faggot, your last argument is bullshit (no, you will not EQ Charizard on the turn it mega evolves because it can still A. Dragon Dance without Mega-evolving or B. Trick you into thinking it's got a Y stone so you don't EQ. Also it won't be Mega-evolving on something that carries EQ in the first place you fucking retard), and Charizard X 2HKOs all of OU at +1 (including Heatran with Outrage).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 04:16:24 No.15608271 Report

Quoted By: >>15608684 >>15608737

>>15608040
Read my post, it covered EVERY major point worth talking about, even your ridiculous first one.
Good job ignoring every point retard. My argument was bullshit? may I refer you back to your first point from my last comment. Yea I thought so retard. Just admit you know nothing about competitive battling and fuck off.

>and Charizard X 2HKOs all of OU at +1 (including Heatran with Outrage).

And moxie salamence doesn't retard? do you have trisomy 21?

Eg !GPlanttyCw

Eg !GPlanttyCw Tue 05 Nov 2013 04:16:55 No.15608290 Report

Quoted By:

I like my Charizard Y, I usually lead with him and just use Fire Spin and least kill their lead if not one more. Fire Spin+Any move kills a lot of stuff

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 04:20:50 No.15608432 Report

Quoted By: >>15608872

>>15608040

Here's the hard facts.

They both have the same base speed, they both have DD.

Salamence has the more potent outrage thanks to moxie.
Zard has the more potent fire coverage thanks to stab and tough claws
Salamence has the more potent earth/ stone edge coverage

Zard has more resistances but less HP
Salamence is IMMUNE to EQ but 4 times weak to ice

Salamence has far less to fear from SR since he doesnt not start as a fire flying type.

Overall the more potent outrage and non fire coverage swings the balance in moxie mences favor. Neither are really built to take hits, Mence is raped by ice, zard is raped by ground, both of which are common. So it really comes down to move potentcy, and moxy mence has it there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 04:27:37 No.15608681 Report

Quoted By:

This thread reminds me of the last mega thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 04:27:40 No.15608684 Report

Quoted By:

>>15608271
Oh, I thought you were leaving because "/vp/ knows nothing of competitive battling"? No? I'll keep playing ball then.
>you wont start an attempted sweep with a hard counter still on their team
Yeah? Well then I guess Charizard won't sweep unless his counters are gone as well. What counters him, you ask? Exactly two Pokemon: Heatran and Azumarill. That's fucking it.
>Heatran, case closed.
Looks to me like most people are running EQ just for Heatran. I'll be running Roost, personally. Team support will take care of Heatran.
>Good job there are more than 1 pokemon on the team
Good job I can and already have argued the same in regards to getting rid of Charizard's counters.
>Sr was and will be a massive force within the meta. And Unlike charizard X, volcorona has it's own niche. Salamence out does X in his.
Volcarona has a niche? Of what,exactly? There are plenty of special sweepers if that's what you're referring to. X outdoes Salamence in his niche as a DD sweeper.
>Emga evolving takes priority, they can use EQ, hit you the turn you mega evolve and 1 hit ko you, they can also force you out and hit you with an EQ next time as once you mega evolve you can't go back. Good luck with those garchomps.
Like I said, you won't EQ Charizard on the turn he Mega-evolves because he could very well be a Mega Y. Also, Mega-evolving on something with EQ is like Salamence DDing on something with an Ice-type move. Common sense dictates that you don't fucking do it.

Finally, you didn't try to argue back when I pointed out the stupidity and pointlessness of your argument that "Salamence's EQ is stronger"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 04:29:04 No.15608737 Report

Quoted By: >>15608872

>>15608271
Oh, I thought you were leaving because "/vp/ knows nothing of competitive battling"? No? I'll keep playing ball then.
>you wont start an attempted sweep with a hard counter still on their team
Yeah? Well then I guess Charizard won't sweep unless his counters are gone as well. What counters him, you ask? Exactly two Pokemon: Heatran and Azumarill. That's fucking it.
>Heatran, case closed.
Looks to me like most people are running EQ just for Heatran. I'll be running Roost, personally. Team support will take care of Heatran.
>Good job there are more than 1 pokemon on the team
Good job I can and already have argued the same in regards to getting rid of Charizard's counters.
>Sr was and will be a massive force within the meta. And Unlike charizard X, volcorona has it's own niche. Salamence out does X in his.
Volcarona has a niche? Of what,exactly? There are plenty of special sweepers if that's what you're referring to. X outdoes Salamence in his niche as a DD sweeper.
>Emga evolving takes priority, they can use EQ, hit you the turn you mega evolve and 1 hit ko you, they can also force you out and hit you with an EQ next time as once you mega evolve you can't go back. Good luck with those garchomps.
Like I said, you won't EQ Charizard on the turn he Mega-evolves because he could very well be a Mega Y. Also, Mega-evolving on something with EQ is like Salamence DDing on something with an Ice-type move. Common sense dictates that you don't fucking do it.

You didn't try to argue back when I pointed out the stupidity and pointlessness of your argument that "Salamence's EQ is stronger"

Finally, Salamence does not 2HKO all of OU at +1, especially not Togekiss

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 04:33:00 No.15608872 Report

Quoted By: >>15609206

>>15608737

Read

>>15608432

So yea, moxie Salamence is the superior DD sweeper. Please stop being wrong. X zard has no niche that somebody else doesn't do better. His usage will go down once SR comes back in full force.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 04:42:14 No.15609206 Report

Quoted By: >>15610151

>>15608872
>Salamence has the more potent earth/ stone edge coverage
Are you people so dense so as to not understand how fucking irrelevant this is? Fire/Dragon STAB is resisted by 3 Pokemon and that's fucking it. Salamence's Ground/Rock coverage doesn't mean shit because Charizard doesn't fucking need it.
>Zard has more resistances but less HP
Only a little bit less HP and a far, far superior defense stat.
>Salamence is IMMUNE to EQ but 4 times weak to ice
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Charizard doesn't give a shit about an EQ weakness. He will outspeed anything that want's to use it on him and OHKO them after a DD and they will not use EQ on the turn he Mega-evolves because it's too risky.
>Salamence has far less to fear from SR since he doesnt not start as a fire flying type.
Defog and Rapid Spin support + Roost
>Neither are really built to take hits
Looks like Charizard can take physical hits pretty fucking well.
>Mence is raped by ice, zard is raped by ground
No such thing as Priority Ground, but Ice Shard is pretty damn common

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 04:54:57 No.15609663 Report

Quoted By:

>mfw salamence and zard are virtually the same shit except Mence has more weaknesses and less resistances

Fucking stop already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 05:10:18 No.15610123 Report

Quoted By:

>>15598941
See what you fucking did? Also it looks like people that's for Salamence seem to forget that fairy types resist dragon. Spam outrage more you faggots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 05:11:09 No.15610151 Report

Quoted By: >>15610336 >>15610667

>>15609206

Salamence can come in on EQ. After you transform Zard, you can't risk that.

Honestly neither seem to be worth a team slot. Not when Garchomp exists.

If you're going to bring up mixed attackers then Mence wins due to Life Orb while Megazard X just has surprisingly low 130 in both stats. Comapred to other megas, thats actually low. Look at Mega-Alakazam, even with its absurd Special Attack stat, its still weaker than Life-Orb Alakazam. You got a similar problem here. Sure Fire/Dragon is great coverage but it's not that great. Reshiram for example wasn't used much in Ubers because even though it had awesome offensive STAB, its typing wasn't good and a slew of other small issues, primarily Stealth Rock weak. Zard-X is in the same boat: squishy, takes up your one mega-slot and doesn't deliver on power like a Life-Orb'd Salamence can.

Again, I don't think Mence or Zard will be used because they can't survive this bulky meta-game and there are other sweepers out there but if I had to choose, Mence would be my choice and then I could have a good Mega-mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 05:12:55 No.15610206 Report

Quoted By:

>bought the game not knowing about the Megazard difference
>have Y
>god dammnit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 05:17:34 No.15610336 Report

Quoted By:

>>15610151
With Tough Claws, Charizard X has more Power than Life Orb Salamence provides, without the recoil. It's also not as squishy as people seem to think. That 111 defense looks pretty nice.

Gr3Y_S1r3N

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Gr3Y_S1r3N Tue 05 Nov 2013 05:22:02 No.15610465 Report

Quoted By: >>15610574 >>15610704 >>15611938

>>15599595
How?
>Drought
>inb4 Fire/Flying is 4x weak to rock, flying = ground immunity, which would be 2x against fire
>No shit fairy weakness
>Sp. Atk. boost, needed for most of fire type moves.
>is sensible and not over designed, doesn't randomly change from orange to black (I mean wtf?)

X is cool, but a bit inferior to Y.

Don't get butthurt about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 05:26:03 No.15610574 Report

Quoted By:

>>15610465
>No shit fairy weakness
You're going to have to do better than that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 05:28:35 No.15610667 Report

Quoted By: >>15611905

>>15610151

Edgyzard is a better DD mence, no two ways about it, thanks to Tough Claws giving it a recoil-free LO and way the fuck better typing. But there are obviously situations where 'mence is better, i.e., when expecting an EQ to the face and zard is already transformed or when going mixed thanks to tough claws not boosting specials (even then edgyzard has a higher base Sp.Atk and glorious STAB Overheat to offset this somewhat).

And yes, obviously Garchomp is better than both anyway thanks to that hilariously trolly 102 speed and perfect stat distro but mence and edgyzard are both perfectly useable, they just won't be rape trains unless your opponent has downs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 05:30:06 No.15610704 Report

Quoted By:

>>15610465
Y has no boosting moves
Tough Claws on X gives more power to all of Charizard's physical moves, not just Fire-types moves
X isn't weak to Fairy, Fire resists Fairy
X can use Flare Blitz and Outrage, almost perfect STAB coverage
Turning black isn't wholly unpredictable, Charizard's shiny was already black

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 05:52:42 No.15611280 Report

Quoted By: >>15612020

>this guy arguing Moxie Mence is better than Zard X

wow stop posting any time

Moxie is an irrelevant ability on anything except the Scarf set, since it can't boost any other way and being permanently locked into an attack means that the only way it can actually get through things is with multiple Attack boosts. There's a reason DDMence and MixMence are not recommended to have Moxie, and that's because Moxie will never decide their ability to sweep; Either the opponent switches in their Salamence check immediately and KOs it / forces it out, OR they don't have any Salamence checks and therefore they lose the game. Moxie adds power, sure... but it's irrelevant power, because a Salamence already at +1 and able to switch its moves can already OHKO damn near anything.

Likewise for Charizard X. One DD + Tough Claws is already enough to OHKO pretty much anything it wants, so any power it "loses" against MoxieMence is irrelevant because it doesn't need that power anyway. Throw in the fact that Zard X has an objectively better typing (both offensively and defensively), can bluff a Fire/Flying type, and hits harder on Turn 1 (for those unfortunate moments where you don't have time to boost)... and honestly anyone saying Salamence is a better DDer must be retarded.

The one - and only - legitimate advantage Salamence has over Charizard X is "only" taking 25% damage from SR as opposed to 50%.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 06:14:50 No.15611905 Report

Quoted By: >>15611942

>>15610667
>102 speed

Its a speed tie with Zard X and Mence is faster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 06:15:52 No.15611938 Report

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>>15610465
>fairy weakness

You lost all your credibility with that. You clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 06:16:02 No.15611942 Report

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>>15611905
They have the same speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 06:19:18 No.15612020 Report

Quoted By: >>15612097

>>15611280
charizard X only takes 25% damage......

as long as he's Megavolved before SR are laid

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 06:22:37 No.15612097 Report

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>>15612020
The faggots seriously think that teams with Charizard won't run rapid spin. They also SERIOUSLY think that Charizard won't be their lead.

This whole thread is literally
>pokemon is 1v1

Just like the last mega thread that had an insanely butt ravaged mega banette fanboy.

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