If I give the Destiny Knot to a Pokemon with 3 31 IVs in HP, Def and Sp.Def and the other partner have 2 31 IVs in Atk and Spe, what are the chances of the offspring having 5 perfect IVs in HP, Atk, Def, Sp.Def and Spe? I need to know /vp/, help a brother out
Anonymous
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Not OP but bump. I'm in the same hole, I've been trying to get at least a damn 4IV poke and nothing. Is it just that much luck?
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir]
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir] Wed 06 Nov 2013 22:17:13 No. 15666688 Report No one knows it's completely random. I got lucky with marills and bred only two batches and ended up with a perfect marill in 30 minutes. It's completely by chance. Just make sure both parents have Ivs where you want and leave it all up to the RNG.
Anonymous
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>>15666597 not very
there are 12 total IVs, 6 from each parent, the destiny knot take 5 total
It could take boxes until you get 5IVs from just 3IV and 2IV parents
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir]
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir] Wed 06 Nov 2013 22:19:13 No. 15666753 Report >>15666688 With that said two 4IVS pokemon probably have a higher chance of passing down the right IVs even faster.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>15666783 To explain, it's (1/2) chance that it inherits the maxed IV from the correct parent, and (1/6) chance that it does not inherit the stat you do not want from either parent with the destiny knot effect
(1/6)*(1/2)^5 = 1/192
Anonymous
>>15666783 in other words, you're better off taking the parents out as soon as you get a baby with more than 3 IV's.
So it will be something like this:
you start with one poke with 3 perfect IV's and one with 2, then you move one to 3/3
->4/3 -> 4/4 and finally 5
Anonymous
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>>15666753 It does, my friend breeds and he got 2 4IV fetchlings, when they started fucking, he got 5 IV's pretty quick and from then on, easy pokes.
I could just take one from him, he offered, but I wanna raise my own gale wings fletch :__; Anonymous
>>15666862 of course.
The moment you get an offspring with 1 more perfect Iv than another of the same gender, you switch it out
Anonymous
5/12,4/11,3/10,2/9,1/8 = 1/792
Anonymous
Do the destiny knot's inherited stats overlap? I have a 5 max IV mawile and a 4 max IV mawile with a destiny knot, but I keep getting mawiles that only inherit 1-3 max iv.
Anonymous
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>>15666918 This would imply that IV's of the same stat can be passed down by both parents simultaneously, such as the father passing down his HP IV's and the mother also passing down HP IV
Anonymous
>>15667032 Power Items such as Power Weight and Power Lens overlap Destiny Knot, so if you're using both of those just stop before something fucks up even more
Anonymous
>>15667032 remember, it's 6 Ivs in each parent
5IVs and 4IVs leaves 3 IVs possible to not be perfect
Anonymous
>>15667032 The only way that should be possible is if one of the IVs is in the unwanted stat on one of them
The lowest possible with that set assuming good IVs should be 3
You broke your game or aren't doing something right
Anonymous
>>15667032 It shouldn't overwrite the stats, but it could be possible that your mawile inherits the 1 nonperfect stat from the max 5 IV mawile, and the two nonperfect stats from the max 4IV mawile and generates a random stat on it's own, which leads to the baby only having one perfect IV.
But generally it will have +3 perfect IV's
Anonymous
>>15667123 >>15667161 >>15667181 >>15667187 I checked the stats: the male mawile has hp/atk/spa/spe max ivs with an everstone, and the female has hp/atk/def/spa/spd with the destiny knot...
I guess I'll just have to keep trying. Been at this since yesterday, though.
Anonymous
>>15667332 >They both have Attack and Special Attack at 31 Anonymous
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It's possible, albeit rare, to get a 2IV offspring from 5IV parents.
Anonymous
>>15667332 should be a 1/48 chance to get hp/atk/def/spdef/spe
>>15667408 that's why he's breeding them you dunce
Anonymous
>>15667472 If you have both attack and special attack at 31IV on a parent at any point in the breeding process, you are doing something wrong
Anonymous
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>>15667522 Point taken. And with Spa already being two of the 9 total perfect IV's, it's no wonder he's unlucky
Anonymous
>>15667522 They're the best I have at the moment. You know, the whole "switch out as soon as a child has +1 iv more than the parent?"
And what would it hurt if I accidentally hit a 6 IV mawile anyway?
Anonymous
>>15667522 Not entirely true. I branched into breeding a perfect Gardevoir starting with my perfect Gallade, so a lot of the kids have perfect ATK and SPA.
Anonymous
>>15667677 This is a mawile though, who has no need for spatk
Anonymous
>>15667669 I know the switch out thing because I made the same mistake as you when I first started breeding
You honestly have better chances taking your breeding back an entire step than trying to get lucky with a perfect IV in the wrong attacking stat
Anonymous
>>15667757 does having less perfect stats affect the chances of inheriting other stats or something?
Anonymous
>>15667716 Just saying,
>>15667522 only specified "a parent."
Anonymous
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>>15667805 No it's okay, if those mawiles are the best you currently have, then you should just keep breeding.
Untill you either get a better parent or get the perfect Mawile
Anonymous
In a somewhat related question... I just hatched a better mother for my Masuda attempt.. Does changing a pokemon affect the outcome? The dad will stay Japanese because I have no good foreign female.
Anonymous
>>15667818 I'd say it's fair enough when you're breeding cross-species like that, but even then, I wouldn't keep a single child that had the unwanted attacking stat
It just seems like a complete waste of time unless it's something who actually needs 6IV like hydreigon or other mixed attackers
Anonymous
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>>15666911 The exception is that you should make sure each stat you want perfect is represented by at least one of the parents, but hopefully that should be obvious.
Anonymous
>>15667931 As long as mother and father are still from different regions, it will not hurt anything
The only thing it does is give you better chances at a shiny with better stats
Anonymous
>>15667931 No it doesn't as long as the parents are from different regions it's fine.
Actually it's better that you switch parents if you want the shiny to have any competitive presence
Anonymous
>>15667931 Every single egg spawned from different region pokemon will have the exact same chance of hatching a shiny, switching will leave you exactly as likely to get a shiny as you were before.
Anonymous
Did nobody on /vp/ learn probability in school?
Anonymous
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>>15667999 >>15668010 >>15668015 Thanks guys. First time trying and I didn't want to mess it up, so far 6 boxes and I had to ask to make sure.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>15667955 I still don't really understand.
If it's set up so that all of the wanted stats can be inherited by at least one parent, and you just happen to end up with one of the parent's having an unnecessary IV as an extra, what makes it bad?
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue)
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue) Wed 06 Nov 2013 23:02:35 No. 15668229 Report You'd be expected to get a 5IV after about 140 hatches, a 4IV after 12.6 hatches, and a 3IV after 3.7 hatches.
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue)
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue) Wed 06 Nov 2013 23:03:37 No. 15668252 Report >>15668229 *if you have a question similiar to OPs, let me know.
Dropping words left and right.
Anonymous
>>15668229 Could you release the simulator?
Anonymous
>>15668229 A program? Can you share it?
Anonymous
Can you do this but for Masuda Method?
Anonymous
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>>15668229 Can you do this but for Masuda Method?
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue)
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue) Wed 06 Nov 2013 23:09:52 No. 15668460 Report >>15668344 >>15668361 I can share the code, don't know how I'd put it in an actually presentable format.
https://gist.github.com/alro5921/7224675 Anonymous
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>>15668397 Just multiply the probability of MM into the IV inheritance probability. There's also the probabilities of gender and abilities in some cases.
Anonymous
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>>15668397 I'm doing it right now. And it's way easier to get a perfect pokemon than a shiny ¬¬
I've got 5 perfect already and counting.
Anonymous
>>15668460 Is this python? If so people can just run it in python, right?
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue)
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue) Wed 06 Nov 2013 23:12:52 No. 15668551 Report >>15668503 Yes, just copy-pasta into a .py file, change the parameters at the bottom, and hit F5.
Lina 2938-7137-7286 [Speahl, Beartic, Cloyster]
Lina 2938-7137-7286 [Speahl, Beartic, Cloyster] Wed 06 Nov 2013 23:19:00 No. 15668761 Report Breeding question thread?
Anonymous
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>>15668761 get a Mawile (or other pokemon if Mawile is female) with 4-5Ivs with attack if you want it?
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue)
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue) Wed 06 Nov 2013 23:21:47 No. 15668826 Report Quoted By:
>>15668761 You can essentially treat that Mawille as being 4IV'd. If you have a Ditto or another Mawille with 3IVs, one of them being attack, breed with that.
1091 8212 2521 (Onix, Binacle, Dwebble)
>>15668252 If I have a pokemon with 5IV in everything except speed holding the Destiny Knot and one with perfect speed holding the speed brace what are my chances for a pokemon with 6IV?
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue)
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue) Wed 06 Nov 2013 23:27:02 No. 15668989 Report >>15668862 I thought the Power Items and Destiny Knot didn't stack. If they do, as in the speed IV gets past down and the other 5IVs are selected randomly between the two, then it'd be a 1/32 chance. If 4IVs were selected rather than 5, it'd be a 1/512 chance.
1091 8212 2521 (Onix, Binacle, Dwebble)
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>>15668989 oh they dont? that's good to know
Anonymous
>>15668989 Hey, what's this portion of the code do?
>print(runXTimes(TestPoke1,TestPoke2,3,20000) >3,20000) Anonymous
>>15668551 it only ever returns 0s, what am I doing wrong?
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue)
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue) Wed 06 Nov 2013 23:37:43 No. 15669336 Report Quoted By:
>>15669066 The third variable (3) represents an ignored stat. As in if you were breeding Talonflames, you probably wouldn't care what your Special Attack IV is. 0 ignores HP, 1 ignores Attack, 2 ignores Defense, so forth. If you're ignoring Special Attack, for example, 31/31/x/x/31/x and 31/31/x/31/31/x would both be counted as a 3IV pokemon.
The fourth variable (20000) is the number of pokemon you're generating. More pokemon generated = more accuracy in calculations, but it takes longer. I found that 20000 generations didn't differ more than a few percentage points away from a much larger sample (i.e a few hundred thousand), but I'd assume +-10% in calculations.
You don't have to put in either variable, in which case the function assumes you're not ignoring any stat (-1) and you want to breed 20000 pokemon.
Again, I apologize for the complete lack of user friendliness.
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue)
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue) Wed 06 Nov 2013 23:42:05 No. 15669477 Report >>15669184 Do you mean it's returning [0,0,0,0,0,0] or [1,0,0,0,0,0]? Are you sure you copy-pasted everything in correctly, didn't accidentally hit TAB or whatever?
Anonymous
>>15669477 >[0,0,0,0,0,0] what does this actually return? the number of eggs you need to hatch?
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue)
Charles 5000 2982 8736 (Machoke, Sawk, Tyrogue) Wed 06 Nov 2013 23:58:38 No. 15670026 Report Quoted By:
>>15669527 The number of eggs you'd expect to hatch in order to get a 0IV pokemon, 1IV pokemon, 2IV pokemon, etc. So a return of [0,0,0,5,10,15,200] would mean that you'd be expected to hatch 5 eggs to get a 3IV child, 10 to get a 4IV, 15 to get a 5IV, and 200 eggs to get a 6IV child. 0 somewhat counter-intuitively means you can't get a child with that number of IVs.
