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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 05:11:55 No.15747073 View View Reply Original Report

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Is it better to EV train in HP or Def/Sp.Def?

And for competitive purposes, is it better to EV train stats that pokemon has naturally higher values in (other than speed, which you obviously need to max out if they're in the top tier of speed so you can get the competitive edge) or is it better to cover their weaknesses (again, going back to HP vs. Def/Sp.Def)

I bet there's some super long smogon article about this but I want to post the thread anyway for varying opinions

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 05:13:54 No.15747111 Report

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Bump. I'm also interested.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 05:14:03 No.15747119 Report

Quoted By: >>15747216

Generally speaking 63 more HP offers more protection than 63 Def/SDef, and HP protects you from both ends of the spectrum.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 05:15:28 No.15747150 Report

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Biased Overall Harm = (2B)[(k + 2D) ÷ HD] + (2 – 2B)[(k + 2S) ÷ HS]

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 05:16:02 No.15747161 Report

Quoted By: >>15747216

If you want a pokemon to be a tank, EV train them in HP and then fully in either Defense or Sp. Def depending on what that specific pokemon has the best base stats for or what role you want it to fill. HP + Def or HP + Sp. Def is a better investment than Def + Sp. Def unless you want to split it halfway between the two with HP.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 05:16:31 No.15747175 Report

Quoted By: >>15747230

Generally speaking, HP helps more than Def/SDef, UNLESS you're building a wall, in which case you want to EV train in HP AND whichever def you want your wall to be good against.

And you always, always EV train the stats a pokemon is naturally good at.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 05:17:11 No.15747190 Report

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always HP before defenses. HP EVs allow you to survive stuff that you never would have otherwise, plus it mitigates both physical and special moves.

Basically, with HP EVs you would, in theory, only take 35% damage from an attack, but if those EVs were in defense you'd end up taking the same or more percentage-wise, plus you would probably get obliterated by special moves

As for your second question, it really depends on the pokemon. Some pokemon have good enough naturally higher values that you really don't need to put more into them. Others it's a good idea to still put some EVs, and still others you'll want to put EVS into a naturally higher stat despite their already good rating in it.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 05:18:13 No.15747216 Report

Quoted By: >>15747353

>>15747119
>Generally speaking 63 more HP offers more protection than 63 Def/SDef

Really? That seems... odd.

I thought that Defense/Sp.Def reduced the damage significantly

>>15747161
But what if the pokemon I'm training is naturally really slow and I don't necessarily want them to be a tank but I just need to give them some survivability so I can use their superb attack stats without being facerolled?

in short:
>low base HP, def, sp. def
>moderately high attack
>less than spectacular speed

what do

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 05:18:56 No.15747230 Report

Quoted By: >>15747298

>>15747175
Mega Aggron with max defense EVs takes barely 5% less damage than an Aggron with no defense EVs. Stats have diminishing returns. You want natures to supplement stats that are naturally high because they're a % boost but you want EVs to supplement stats that are naturally low because they're worth more on a point per point basis for low stats.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 05:20:21 No.15747262 Report

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If you're trying to bulk up something that isn't a full wall, the general rule is to make your defensive stats as close as possible; basically, if you have low base HP values but high base Defense, bump up your HP. This is less of an issue if you're making a full wall, because you're going to get HP and the defensive stat of your choice anyway.

This is also the reason why Blissey usually runs 252 EVs in Defense and Special Defense; its HP stat is so massive that buffing its defensive stats instead makes it take much less damage.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 05:21:57 No.15747298 Report

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>>15747230
It's entirely dependant on what roll you want that pokemon to play.

For example, a special wall is not going to have much use for ATK. A sweeper isn't going to need HP.
That aggron might take barely 5% less damage, but that 5% could mean the difference between one turn or two to set up your counterattack. In competitive pokemon, single points matter.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 05:24:13 No.15747353 Report

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>>15747216
You're gonna want to have some set up moves in that case. There's no way to cover all those bases well enough. I suggest fully EV training HP and Attack/Speed and then giving it Swords Dance or Bulk Up or something along those lines.

What pokemon did you have in mind?

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 05:50:10 No.15748041 Report

Quoted By: >>15748106

Question

For a pokemon with a stupid low base speed of 60, is it worth it to try to get a high IV in that?

What is it going to give me a competitive edge against?

Is it really worth it to IV train that so I can go first in a match against a max IV Nosepass?

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 05:52:38 No.15748106 Report

Quoted By: >>15748120

>>15748041
Normally I wouldnt bother, unless you're either looking to outspeed a specific, equally sluggish threat, or you plan on boosting with Rock Polish or Shell Smash or something.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 05:53:11 No.15748120 Report

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>>15748106
It's a fairy pokemon so I'm not polishing any rocks.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 06:26:26 No.15748854 Report

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So just to be clear here, the stats are:
HP: 95
Defense: 65
Sp.Atk: 110
Sp.Def: 130

Should I EV max HP/SP.Atk or HP/Def?

Keep in mind this is a slower pokemon that uses a draining move for its main attack

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