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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 18:45:41 No.15761888 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>15762097 >>15762504 >>15762559 >>15762938 >>15763843 >>15764149 >>15764848 >>15765563 >>15768192 >>15769625 >>15770344

HIDDEN ABILITY BREEDING IS A FUCKING NIGHTMATRE I'VE BEEN AT IT FOR HOURS AND CAN'T GET A 5IV BABY, I'M FUCKING DONE

POKEGEN WHEN?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 18:46:45 No.15761916 Report

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look at this babby

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 18:49:20 No.15761994 Report

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versache versache

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 18:52:31 No.15762086 Report

Quoted By: >>15762191 >>15762214 >>15762244 >>15762260 >>15762344 >>15762909 >>15766131

i seriously dream about the anti-cheat system for the pokebank, hoping it will be perfect so i can taste the pokegenners tears every day.

But gamefreak are some incompetent faggots who will fuck up

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 18:52:55 No.15762097 Report

Quoted By: >>15762505

>>15761888
Funny, I got a 4IV(all in the right places) from Wonder Trade.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 18:54:28 No.15762131 Report

Quoted By: >>15762155 >>15762209

Are you some kind of retard or something OP? Breeding for Hiddens isnt fucking hard. Come on there's 11 year olds that get this shit better than you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 18:55:44 No.15762155 Report

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>>15762131
>luck is a skill
typical breeder

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 18:56:22 No.15762175 Report

Quoted By: >>15762255

Either breed with a ditto or two fletchlings with the same ability, that should be like 80% chance of getting the ability you want

Zarion 4570-7997-6456 (Abra Wobbuffet Gothorita) Enk 3780-9403-1484 (Bibarel Wartortle N/A)

Zarion 4570-7997-6456 (Abra Wobbuffet Gothorita) Enk 3780-9403-1484 (Bibarel Wartortle N/A) Sat 09 Nov 2013 18:56:50 No.15762191 Report

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>>15762086
Either they hire dedicated a bunch moderators whose tasks will be to eliminate your bros from gen 3,4 and 5 under the pretense of being suspicious.
Or it does jack all.
I'm scared, /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 18:57:25 No.15762207 Report

Quoted By: >>15762255

Are you starting from scratch? The easiest way is to grab a 3 or 4 IV leftover from the GTS and breed from there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 18:57:32 No.15762209 Report

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>>15762131
my full box of 4IV gale wings fletchlings + all the ones with big pecks that I released + a box of <4IV gale wings ones disagree with you

same shit happened with bunnelby that I recently bred, it's getting old

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 18:57:43 No.15762214 Report

Quoted By: >>15762505

>>15762086
This, just play the fucking game faggots.

Competitive pokemon battling is a joke anyway. Just the same teams over and over again. If people used what they liked shit would be smoother.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 18:58:32 No.15762244 Report

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>>15762086
>who will fuck up
They can't not 'fuck up'. It's impossible to tell the difference between a legit and hacked pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 18:58:44 No.15762255 Report

Quoted By: >>15762300

>>15762175
>>15762207
I'm breeding 2 4IV fletchlings both with gale wings

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 18:58:49 No.15762260 Report

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>>15762086
>inb4 it will lock out all the illegal mons but also the ones that have 5-6 perfect IVs

And everyone is angry once again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:00:03 No.15762300 Report

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>>15762255
Just being unlucky then, keep going :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:01:14 No.15762344 Report

Quoted By: >>15762382 >>15764101

>>15762086
>hoping it will be perfect so i can taste the pokegenners tears every day.

Yup it's funny because it will be the reverse. Us tasting your tears everyday. And I breed perfectly having shit loads of 6 IV pokes and will still gen like no tomorrow. I will also enter your threads and trade people like you the hacked mons. Gonna be a lot of fun ;)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:02:34 No.15762382 Report

Quoted By: >>15762406

>>15762344
nope, if pokegen is not detected i will pokegen my shit, i'm enjoying breeding meanwhile.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:03:32 No.15762406 Report

Quoted By: >>15762480

>>15762382
>i seriously dream about the anti-cheat system for the pokebank, hoping it will be perfect so i can taste the pokegenners tears every day.

Sure thing buddy keep changing your argument to hide your sobbing. Your tears are delicious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:04:42 No.15762443 Report

Quoted By: >>15762476

what happens if I breed female regular ability w/ male hidden ability?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:06:18 No.15762476 Report

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>>15762443

You can never get the HA on a babby that way. Only female with HA breeding with Male, or Male with HA breeding with Ditto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:06:21 No.15762480 Report

Quoted By: >>15762754

>>15762406
yeah whatever you say, i enjoy breeding and if pokegen appears and gamefreak doesn't do shit about it, i will end up using it, meanwhile i enjoy watching you guys cry because you cannot have your shiny 6 IV from the get go

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:06:40 No.15762490 Report

Quoted By: >>15762710

I've been breeding together a pokemon with 5 perfect IV's with a pokemon with 4 perfect IV's for about 3 hours now and I still haven't seen a second pokemon with 5 perfect IV's. Fuck RNG

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:07:08 No.15762504 Report

Quoted By: >>15762570

>>15761888
Oh look, an enormous pussy. Take your game back to GameStop. You're an embarrassment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:07:11 No.15762505 Report

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>>15762097
I got a 5IV one (and a tyrunt) from WT too.

>>15762214
I've bred fennekin and chespin with HA and 5IVs, both of them in less of a day. It's not so difficult.

I just hope pokegen doesn't get released.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:07:46 No.15762529 Report

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whats the best ability for fletchling

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:09:06 No.15762559 Report

Quoted By: >>15762654

>>15761888
Hidden Ability Female + Normal Ability Male = Like, 90% eggs have the HA.
Hidden Ability Female + Hidden Ability Male = 10% eggs have HA.
Hidden Ability Male/Female + Ditto = 50~60% eggs have it.
This with personal testing experiences, I just put a 5iv ha female + 5iv na male and get so many eggs that within 1 box or less I already got what I want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:09:30 No.15762570 Report

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>>15762504
the fuck are you talking about

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:12:31 No.15762654 Report

Quoted By: >>15763190

>>15762559
are you exaggerating or does the male having a reg ability actually increase the chances of a HA?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:14:14 No.15762710 Report

Quoted By: >>15762789

>>15762490
I've been breeding a 5 IV Nidoran female with a 5 IV Eevee hoping for a 5 IV hustle Nidoran male. I got two more 5 IV females and then got two 5 IV males with rivalry and poison point before finally getting a 5 IV male with hustle about five hours later and that's with hatching power level 3 being on the entire time.

When I was breeding two immunity Gligars together my first twelve eggs hatched without immunity. That's 0.0000004% chance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:15:46 No.15762754 Report

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>>15762480
Who cares about shiny except autistic faggots. People only bitched about the IVs and now they are easy to get.

I however will release countless shinies just to see faggots like you cry on poke bank day. I don't even use those ugly things. Faggots like you only like shinies because they are rare and making them not rare is what I love doing to see the tears flow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:16:44 No.15762789 Report

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>>15762710
You've got it way worse than me in that case.
That's brutal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:19:47 No.15762909 Report

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>>15762086
>i seriously dream about the anti-cheat system for the pokebank

Enjoy having your delusional fantasies exist only in your dreams

Can't wait for the hacks to come :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:20:36 No.15762938 Report

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>>15761888

I want casuals out

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:25:18 No.15763089 Report

Quoted By: >>15763245

If your not willing to put up with the biking and RNG, then you should stick with the simulators.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:28:04 No.15763182 Report

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This thread needs a theme song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_pTn6F2E2U

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:28:12 No.15763190 Report

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>>15762654
Not exaggerating at all, with 2 HA parents the egg almost never had the HA, I switched out to one with NA and BAM, tons of moxie cross. Try this yourself with a sample of a least 20 eggs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:29:49 No.15763229 Report

Quoted By: >>15763271 >>15763277 >>15765423

GUYS IT'S NOT CHEATING!
IT'S LIKE USING A BOT TO LEVEL UP IN MMOS!
I WANT THE FUN BUT NOT THE WORK THAT COME WITH IT!
SERIOUSLY! IS TOTALLY LEGAL! I MEAN FUCK 80% OF WHAT THE GAME IS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:30:30 No.15763245 Report

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>>15763089
>If your not willing to put up with the biking and RNG, then you should stick with the simulators.

OR I wait for bank and do what I want to xfer all the pokegen stuff. Why the fuck would anyone listen to your autistic pleas? Keep crying baby

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:31:24 No.15763271 Report

Quoted By: >>15763298

>>15763229
>implying its cheating

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:31:30 No.15763277 Report

Quoted By: >>15763338

>>15763229
You're laughing but games like Ragnarok online would be literally unplayable without bots. The economy completely relies on them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:32:06 No.15763298 Report

Quoted By: >>15763318

>>15763271
Just because you can't get caught doesn't mean it's not cheaating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:32:30 No.15763318 Report

Quoted By: >>15763739

>>15763298
Except it isn't cheating

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:33:07 No.15763338 Report

Quoted By: >>15765863

>>15763277
That's just means that RO has a flawed economy system.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:43:37 No.15763650 Report

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>not playing the game for 2 months because it's too "tedious" without a 3rd party hack
>not enjoying the game while it's completely legitimate
>calling yourselves gamers
if you want a completely balanced turn-based game go play rock, paper, scissors

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:45:51 No.15763739 Report

Quoted By: >>15763924

>>15763318
It's not cheating in a battle.
It's cheating in a 'WHO CAN BREED THE BEST' competition.

Fortunately you don't get any of those.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:47:18 No.15763778 Report

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Nintendo just made breeding easy so now you cannot complain about a guy winning becasue "hurr he used generated mons".
You just take little more time, but now in the end skill will be the only think that matter. Also HAX, deal with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:49:36 No.15763843 Report

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>>15761888
Joke's on you, I got a 6 IV HA male one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:51:32 No.15763924 Report

Quoted By: >>15763962 >>15763964 >>15764037

>>15763739
Except is cheating, you are using something that is not on the game.

Even if you are better at battling than others you are still cheating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:52:24 No.15763962 Report

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>>15763924
Its not cheating though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:52:28 No.15763964 Report

Quoted By: >>15764103 >>15764833 >>15768771

>>15763924
Nope. It gives you no unfair advantage you couldn't otherwise get.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:54:08 No.15764019 Report

Quoted By: >>15764215

So how do I get a Lightningrod Goldeen in Gen VI?

2122-6673-3600 Shuppet, Pathump, Spiritomb

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2122-6673-3600 Shuppet, Pathump, Spiritomb Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:54:18 No.15764028 Report

Quoted By: >>15766933

If someone has a reject with Gale wings and intends to wondertrade it or something I'd like to have one.

Don't matter IV or nature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:54:37 No.15764037 Report

Quoted By: >>15764200 >>15764307 >>15764335

>>15763924
It's not cheating.

Going to a race with a stolen car isn't cheating.
Going to a race and shooting out everybody else's tires is cheating.

Likewise, using pokemon with completely legitimate stats is not cheating because it confers no unfair advantage that other players cannot match.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:56:09 No.15764101 Report

Quoted By: >>15764120

>>15762344

Why can't you fucktards just use a simulator? Online play has actually been fun for the first time in forever and you faggots take pride in ruining it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:56:13 No.15764103 Report

Quoted By: >>15764143

>>15763964
Yes, it gives you unfair advantage since you have more time for battle training and testing, Time you wouldn't have if you had to manually get your pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:56:49 No.15764120 Report

Quoted By: >>15764356

>>15764101
How exactly is it ruining anything?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:57:26 No.15764143 Report

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>>15764103
By that logic getting lucky with RNG is 'cheating' because it gives you more time to practice.

But to be honest, when you're at the point where you're saying something is cheating because 'it gives you a chance to practice' then there really isn't an argument anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:57:32 No.15764149 Report

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>>15761888
I think Cedric, Bond and the rest of his team have an editor out in the works, what we don't have right now is a method to transfer these Pokemon to the cart itself.

I've heard they contacted Smealum but they found out its not that easy without jury-rigging their 3DS. Smea apparently gave them data for Wondertrade though and hex values that will spoof the GTS, however this is useless until they've figured out how Pokebank actually works.

So sit back, relax and play some other game if you're bored already. It will be out soon enough

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:58:46 No.15764200 Report

Quoted By: >>15764242

>>15764037
Well, it is. Youll be disqualified it you bring a stolen car to any regulated competition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:59:05 No.15764215 Report

Quoted By:

>>15764019
>>15764019
>>15764019
>>15764019
Anyone?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:59:33 No.15764242 Report

Quoted By: >>15764339 >>15764441

>>15764200
It's not cheating.
It's ILLEGAL because stealing a car is illegal, but it's not cheating.

Let's put it like this:
Would it be cheating to borrow a friend's car and take it to a race?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:01:24 No.15764307 Report

Quoted By: >>15764464

>>15764037
except society has laws about stealing things because it's a faggy thing to do. Like-wise the pokemon community doesn't respect pokegenned mons because it's a faggy thing to do. The only difference is that Gamefreak won't enforce their own rules, so the only thing hackers have to worry about is the disdain of their fellow competitors.

The funny part is that you gypsies want to have your cake and eat it too. Hack all you want, but there is no way pokegen will be respected as a legitimate part of the game. Enjoy your inferiority and lack of moral substance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:02:18 No.15764335 Report

Quoted By: >>15764394 >>15764524

>>15764037
It is cheating because oppresses me personally.

As a long-time breeder, there's no point in breeding when PokeGen comes out, because all the fun of being better than everyone else is gone when they can be on equal ground with me.

It's like if I buy designer label clothing, and then see someone poorer than me with the same clothing. It ruins the whole point of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:02:23 No.15764339 Report

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>>15764242
Is cheating. I dare you to check any official competition rules. Quite sure you will find that using stolen car is not allowed.

Of course it doesn't matter if you aren't caught, but if they do youll be disqualified because you are cheating. You can't use a stolen car in official races.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:02:53 No.15764356 Report

Quoted By: >>15764418 >>15764489

>>15764120
Because people will flood the GTS and wondertrade with hacks, they won't be rare or interesting anymore, and if you think that the battle spot being flooded with 6 IV mons isn't an unfair advantage against people who don't cheat you're deluding yourself. Most people who play the game legit don't get perfect pokemon.

If you want to play competitive why would you even use the game and not a simulator anyway? Are you so much of a pussy you can't handle real competition and instead gotta battle against kids who may not even EV train?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:03:45 No.15764394 Report

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>>15764335
I like you, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:04:27 No.15764418 Report

Quoted By: >>15764520

>>15764356
>and if you think that the battle spot being flooded with 6 IV mons isn't an unfair advantage against people who don't cheat you're deluding yourself.

But I thought it was so easy to breed now

I mean, that's what all the breedfags have been spouting all the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:05:04 No.15764441 Report

Quoted By: >>15764505

>>15764242
I hope you know how fucking ridiculous you sound

In order to even hack at all you need to use some sort of cheating device

a CHEATING device

you faggots will say anything to justify yourselves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:05:55 No.15764464 Report

Quoted By: >>15764843

>>15764307
>Enjoy your inferiority and lack of moral substance
I'll enjoy playing fucking Pokemon, thank you very much anon.

Listen, I'm all for letting people breed. I'm not going to claim you're an idiot for breeding because that's fucking stupid.
You're an idiot because you think genning pokemon is immoral and wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:06:31 No.15764489 Report

Quoted By: >>15764595 >>15764633

>>15764356
this x 1000000000000000000000000000.

simulators aren't good enough because the whole point of genned mons is to have an advantage over people who play legitimately.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:06:56 No.15764505 Report

Quoted By: >>15764577

>>15764441
If a computer with an internet connection is a cheating device' then you're a cheating faggot too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:07:21 No.15764520 Report

Quoted By: >>15764571 >>15764595 >>15764641 >>15764974

>>15764418
I have yet to get an answer to my question, Why can't you faggots just use a simulator?

It doesn't matter if it's easy to breed or not, it's still unlikely that most people will have absolutely perfect 6 IV mon, but hackers almost always give their pokemon 6 perfect IVs.

So why can't you stop being a pussy and use a simulator where everything is on an even playing field?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:07:27 No.15764524 Report

Quoted By: >>15764843

>>15764335
>because all the fun of being better than everyone else
so you want skill to be determined by how long you pressed left and right on the dpad, rather than battling strategy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:09:03 No.15764571 Report

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>>15764520
I don't think you understand how little that 6th IV matters. Especially when Hidden Power is useless now.

It's an even playing field.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:09:14 No.15764577 Report

Quoted By: >>15764677 >>15764821

>>15764505
Really? If that's all that's necessary then why can't hacking be done now?

Oh, wait, it's because in order to hack you still need to manually fuck with the 3DS in order to datamine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:09:46 No.15764595 Report

Quoted By: >>15764689 >>15764844

>>15764489
>the whole point of genned mons is to have an advantage over people who play legitimately
Nope. The point is to get good pokemon without spending hours breeding.

There's no ADVANTAGE, because the pokemon are IDENTICAL.

>>15764520
Because I like the 3d models, I like the portability of my 3DS and I like playing with my friends when I'm round at their house.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:10:49 No.15764633 Report

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>>15764489
>simulators aren't good enough because the whole point of genned mons is to have an advantage over people who play legitimately.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:10:56 No.15764641 Report

Quoted By:

>>15764520
I use simulators but I also want to compete in the game's own rated battles

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:11:52 No.15764677 Report

Quoted By: >>15764732

>>15764577
Here's how you do it:
>get a gen 5 mon
>wait for the bank
>send it over

As for gen 6 mons, we don't know yet. I'm not really in the hacking crowd, I'm just waiting for a convenient way to gen stuff to come out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:12:07 No.15764689 Report

Quoted By: >>15764719 >>15764754 >>15767393

>>15764595
You know I actually wouldn't care about hacking if hackers actually stuck to what they claim. If they didn't send their hacks out onto GTS/Wonder trade, didn't use them in battle spot, and only used them in battle with people who are aware you use hacks and are okay with it or are using hacks too.

That shit doesn't affect me and I really give no shits about that.

But sadly it's not the case and you assholes make actually playing the game more or less pointless by flooding the market with hacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:12:58 No.15764719 Report

Quoted By:

>>15764689
>didn't use them in battle spot
Does that matter? It's the exact same as using a normal pokemon once you're in the battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:13:20 No.15764732 Report

Quoted By: >>15764754

>>15764677
You had to hack the gen 5 game with an illegal cheating device or GTS exploit in order to get that hacked gen 5 mon in the first place, dumbass. That doesn't change anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:13:59 No.15764754 Report

Quoted By:

>>15764689
>if they didn't use them in battle spot
I can't believe people actually give a shit about this.

There's no advantage to using a genned mon because it's identical to a bred one.

>>15764732
Using a computer and the GTS is not a 'cheating device'.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:16:13 No.15764821 Report

Quoted By:

>>15764577
But hacking can be done now. Or didn't you hear about the hidden legendaries and Mega Latios/as?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:16:36 No.15764833 Report

Quoted By:

>>15763964
your tears they are delicious

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:16:57 No.15764843 Report

Quoted By: >>15764885 >>15765228

>>15764524
no, the skill is in legitimately developing your team, training, battling and strategy against other players that have done the same. When you introduce a shortcut to perfection in an online game, you make it so every person has to obtain that shortcut for the playing field to remain completely level. Otherwise half the players are gonna have inferior pokemon because they chose to play the game the way the developer intended.

>>15764464
>Cheating is defined as an immoral way of achieving a goal. What does immoral mean? It means not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established by society. So, it can be said that anything illegal, in the law and justice sense of that word, could be immoral. And more than that, society has whole reams of immorality clauses that are not necessarily illegal but can be binding on participants.

you're not playing pokemon x/y, you're playing Pokegen GTS Spoof Showdown Online 2013 (now with 50% imperfect pokemon to shit on online!)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:17:02 No.15764844 Report

Quoted By: >>15764971 >>15766442

>>15764595

If all hackers were like you I wouldn't give a shit, but unfortunately as soon as pokegenned mon enter the game it inevitably leads to a pollution of the trading pool.

Like, what is even the putting a hackmon up for trade? Wouldn't you just hack whatever you want? I don't get it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:17:06 No.15764848 Report

Quoted By:

>>15761888
Jesus OP could you suck more cock? Literally as I was reading this thread, the first egg I hatched was a 5 IV Gale Wings Fletchling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:18:00 No.15764885 Report

Quoted By: >>15764991 >>15765216 >>15765406 >>15771000

>>15764843
Nope, I'm playing Pokemon X/Y with pokemon that are perfectly legitimate within the realms of the game.

Let me simplify this shit.

Two people have a battle. They have identical pokemon.
One person genned his.
The other bred them.
Who is more likely to win?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:20:33 No.15764971 Report

Quoted By: >>15766286

>>15764844
I actually totally understand your point as far as trading goes, but think about it like this - the guy on the receiving end gets a perfect pokemon. That's pretty great.

But yes, you make a good point on the trading end of things. If hackers keep their pokemon completely away from trading I don't really see a problem, and even a small number of hacked pokemon in the trading pool can be a nice thing for the people who are getting them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:20:44 No.15764974 Report

Quoted By: >>15768125

>>15764520
>Why can't you faggots just use a simulator?

Because I don't feel like it

You're gonna have to learn to deal with that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:21:05 No.15764991 Report

Quoted By: >>15765043 >>15765086 >>15765102 >>15765263

>>15764885
Easy, the one who genned them because he gave them impossible stats, moves, and is a hacker.

On the other hand, the breeder raised his with tender love and care. Sure, they aren't as perfect, but at least he's playing the game correctly.

"Identical" my ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:22:55 No.15765043 Report

Quoted By: >>15765255

>>15764991
Nobody hacks impossible pokemon you fucking dolt.
There's two reasons for that:
>it's actually possible to get caught for it
>it's an unfair advantage and people who aren't 12 don't want completely unbalanced matches

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:24:02 No.15765086 Report

Quoted By: >>15765255

>>15764991
Not that anon you replied to.
You're just acting retarded or trying to shitpost are ya?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:24:02 No.15765087 Report

Quoted By:

You won't be able to get a pokegenned Talonflame. All the hacked mons are going to come from Gen V games through the Pokebank. So at the very least the genners can't use the Gen 6 mons, and there are quite a few good ones competitively, Aegislash and Gale Wing Talonflame being two of the best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:24:32 No.15765102 Report

Quoted By: >>15765255

>>15764991
>being this retarded
leddit's waitng for your moralfaggotry

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:28:11 No.15765216 Report

Quoted By: >>15765292

>>15764885
I'll belive they are on the same foot when someone who uses pokegen shows me that he actually can get a perfect mon in the game and the pokegen is really just a shortcut.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:28:37 No.15765228 Report

Quoted By: >>15765413 >>15768324

>>15764843
>Otherwise half the players are gonna have inferior pokemon because they chose to play the game the way the developer intended
how are perfectly bred pokemon inferior? they perform the exact fucking way they just take an autistic tier amount of hours to achieve compared to hacking

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:29:38 No.15765255 Report

Quoted By: >>15765418

>>15765043 >>15765086 >>15765102

Ironic shitposting obviusly, don't take it too seriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:29:49 No.15765263 Report

Quoted By:

>>15764991
You can't be fucking serious. Are you seriously implying that all PokeGenners are going to create blatantly illegit Pokemon and somehow get away with that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:30:28 No.15765292 Report

Quoted By: >>15765494

>>15765216
You think these people are incapable of pressing left and right on their d-pad?

Come on. Anybody can breed something now, it just takes time.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:33:14 No.15765399 Report

Quoted By:

>mfw glorious /vp/ anon gave me 5IV adamant gale wing fetchling
>mfw I gave him an oddish for it

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:33:23 No.15765406 Report

Quoted By: >>15765454 >>15765514 >>15765568

>>15764885
That's not what we are arguing. Who wins is irrelevant if both pokemon are the same. The argument is that due to lack of centralized distribution, ethical reasons, technical knowledge, and language barriers, there will always be a large amount of people who cannot/won't/don't know about pokegen. These people will not be able to compete with players who are able to pokegen new teams to practice with, and will have full teams of perfect pokemon with hidden ability and egg moves, a process which will take the normal legitimate player a decent amount of hours. Because pokegen reduces the amount of time to near zero, anyone who uses pokegen will have a massive advantage over a normal person because they can not only use their playtime hours more efficiently, but they will have a perfect team to boot. Until the playing field is completely level through an in-game pokegen (never going to happen), pokegen is and will always be an illegitimate tool used to gain an advantage on legitimate players.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:33:38 No.15765413 Report

Quoted By: >>15765508

>>15765228
>hacking

Well, that's the thing, you are hacking them, you are getting them through ways aren't contemplated on the game.

You can get a perfect mon trading for example. No effort required, but no one complains about that cause trading is a part of the game and anyone can use it IN THE GAME.

People complains about hacking because is not on the game parameters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:33:46 No.15765418 Report

Quoted By: >>15765592

>>15765255
Shitposting is stuff like "lel" or "kek" or typing like it's 2005 on AIM.

Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't make it shitposting.

I bet you think "trolling" means "someone who disagrees with me".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:33:48 No.15765423 Report

Quoted By:

>>15763229
Some people don't want to play bicycle simulator 2013 for hours on end every day. Others actually enjoy it. To play competitively in this game you kinda of need good mons, which means if you are one of those who doesn't enjoy playing bicycle simulator your fucked. Unless you use pokegen. As long as you are using it to get pokemon that you could actually get in game, and not to give yourself an advantage I don't see the problem with it. Part of the fun of raising a pokemon is the leveling up and what not, just making a poke with pokegen doesn't mean you have to skip out on all the other steps to raising it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:34:35 No.15765454 Report

Quoted By: >>15765530

>>15765406
Not like Pokegen is exclusive and isn't known on the internet right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:35:50 No.15765494 Report

Quoted By: >>15765544 >>15765552

>>15765292
Yes, that's exactly what I think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:36:16 No.15765508 Report

Quoted By:

>>15765413
that has nothing to do with having an advantage or disadvantage in battles

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:36:27 No.15765514 Report

Quoted By: >>15765607

>>15765406
By that logic, using simulators to practice while breeding is cheating.
Getting lucky with RNG while breeding is cheating.
Having a more dedicated friend give you a trained pokemon is cheating.

Having more time to practice is not cheating, is what I'm saying.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:36:52 No.15765530 Report

Quoted By: >>15765595 >>15765647

>>15765454
Is it available in 100 languages? How about in countries with limited internet access? Does 10 year old Timmy know about it? Until it's in-game and 100% of players know about it, it's illegitimate. Deal with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:37:19 No.15765544 Report

Quoted By: >>15765686

>>15765494
>breeders are actually this retarded
this does not surprise me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:37:28 No.15765552 Report

Quoted By: >>15765686

>>15765494
Then you're just as stupid as the people who can't press left and right.

Rocket 3754 6751 7231

Rocket 3754 6751 7231 Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:37:41 No.15765563 Report

Quoted By: >>15765884

>>15761888
Are your parents both 4iv in the same 4 ivs? Because if that is the case you are relying on both the dice roll of inheriting those 4 ivs, as well as rolling a 31 on the last iv roll. It's MUCH faster to get that 5iv poke if you have different 4iv spreads, for example (m) 31/31/31/x/31/x breeding with (f) 31/x/31/x/31/31

Math.

And once you have a 5 iv, you can put it back in as a parent, get the other gender with 5iv soon after (not a tough roll) and trade the soon to come babies with 5ivs in the right slots for other people's 5iv bred pokemon.

Proper breeding setup and getting into trading makes it cake to have a bunch of iv'd babies ready for evs and competitive battle. I have like 4 boxes of different 5iv pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:37:51 No.15765568 Report

Quoted By: >>15768563

>>15765406
Well all it does is save people time. I guess you are one of those who enjoys breeding. Good for you, some people can't stand doing the same thing over and over again for days on end. Though they have to do either that or use pokegen to play competitively.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:38:13 No.15765588 Report

Quoted By: >>15768623

>people seriously think pokegen can be stopped

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:38:26 No.15765592 Report

Quoted By:

>>15765418
I invite you to read the post again and use all your readin comprehesion

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:38:29 No.15765595 Report

Quoted By: >>15765651 >>15765663

>>15765530
>Until it's in-game and 100% of players know about it, it's illegitimate.

NEWS JUST IN
SOMEBODY IN ARGENTINA DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT THE LUCKY EGG
USING THE LUCKY EGG TO LEVEL POKEMON IS NOT LEGITIMATE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:38:44 No.15765607 Report

Quoted By: >>15765667

>>15765514
RNG is completely in game.
Showdown is completely out of game.
Having a more dedicated friend trade you is completely legal because the trade function is built into the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:39:23 No.15765633 Report

Quoted By:

>Breeds Gastly so IVs can be
31/x/31/31/31/31
>No possible way to get Attack 31IV
>Hatch for hours
>Baby with 5IVs!
31/31/31/x/31/31

Kill me fucking kill me..;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:39:49 No.15765647 Report

Quoted By:

>>15765530
English is a pretty easy language to understand.
Countries with limited internet access with kids in them probably wouldn't even go online a lot.
Timmy will have a team filled with Legendaries and Blaziken and Lucario and you know it so it wouldn't even matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:39:52 No.15765651 Report

Quoted By: >>15765782 >>15765789

>>15765595
There are also players who don't know about power items, and destiny knot. Good luck breeding your legit pokemon, those items are illegitimate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:40:11 No.15765663 Report

Quoted By: >>15765706 >>15765789 >>15766342

>>15765595
Lucky egg is in the game. Pokegen is third party. If a player doesn't know about the lucky egg, he can still discover it in-game on his own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:40:18 No.15765667 Report

Quoted By:

>>15765607
So it's not bad just because it gives you more time to practice, it's bad because it's not in-game and is therefore CHEATING.

Is using the internet to read up on movepools cheating? That's not built into the game, so I guess it must be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:40:53 No.15765686 Report

Quoted By: >>15765773 >>15765789 >>15765838 >>15765851

>>15765544 >>15765552
Then again, I belive otherwise when some pokegen user proves me that he bred a perfect mon without it. They CANT that's why they need external tools.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:41:28 No.15765706 Report

Quoted By: >>15765992

>>15765663
>Until it's in-game and 100% of players know about it, it's illegitimate.
>Until it's in-game
>and
>100% of players know about it
Nope sorry lucky egg is legit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:43:20 No.15765773 Report

Quoted By:

>>15765686
I never bred competitively viable pokemon prior to X/Y. I learned how to do it all within about half an hour to an hour of the destiny knot discovery. stop pretending it takes any skill or special kind of knowledge you twat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:43:37 No.15765782 Report

Quoted By: >>15765851 >>15765892

>>15765651
in the game. also in the game. you gypsies are like a broken record.

>15765667
There is nothing being digitally imported into the game by reading about move pools. You can't read about fletchinders movepool and then suddenly have a 6iv Galewind Talonflame 5 minutes later. It's different and you know it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:44:00 No.15765789 Report

Quoted By: >>15765900 >>15765992

>>15765651
Some people don't even know about breeding.

>>15765663
>and 100% of players know about it
I'm sorry but Breeding, Power Items, Destiny Knot and the Lucky Egg are ILLEGAL.

>>15765686
You LITERALLY fucking believe that these people are COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY INCAPABLE of holding LEFT AND FUCKING RIGHT for a few hours.
Are you stupid? Are you THIS fucking dense?

I don't need to show you that I can turn on a computer because ANYBODY can turn on a computer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:44:41 No.15765823 Report

Quoted By:

i already have a team of 5 iv pokes that are ev trained with good natures and wanted abilities/movesets

now i just won't have to tape down my circle pad if i want more, i'm not really getting the issue here

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:44:58 No.15765835 Report

Quoted By:

I am now on my third day of breeding for a 31/31/31/xx/31/31 Huge Power Bunnelby. Both parents have five perfect IVs. One is holding a destiny knot. There is nothing more I can do to improve my odds.

There is no joy in this. I would have absolutely no reservations about using PokeGen were it an option.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:45:15 No.15765838 Report

Quoted By:

>>15765686
>find someone with a ditto safari
>find someone with safari of a poke you want
>give one of them destiny knot
Well then its just time til you get a 4 IV mon, then you just catch more in the safari with their 31IV spread in different stats and bred them with destiny knot til you get a 5IV one. As one anon said if you have a female with a hidden ability and a male without you have like a 9/10 chance of getting a baby with a hidden ability. So just keep breeding til the pokes with the iv spreads you want have hidden abilities using the above method. This really isn't that hard buddy it just takes time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:45:45 No.15765851 Report

Quoted By: >>15765992

>>15765782
>and 100% of players know about it
>and 100% of players know about it
>and 100% of players know about it
>and 100% of players know about it

>>15765686
You're saying this like there are people on this planet who are actually not capable of doing that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:46:00 No.15765863 Report

Quoted By:

>>15763338
It always had a flawed system. I've been playing off an on that game for the past 10 years and I still get pissed at the economy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:46:31 No.15765884 Report

Quoted By:

>>15765563
they have different sets of IVs, I consistently get all of them inherited except for special attack. I just have no luck, apparently

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:46:45 No.15765892 Report

Quoted By:

>>15765782
>There is nothing being digitally imported into the game by reading about move pools
Yes, but you've used knowledge from outside the game and that's cheating.

It's no different at all. It's using outside tools to save myself time and effort.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:47:02 No.15765900 Report

Quoted By: >>15765960

>>15765789
Did you know some people also don't know about EV training? Its true, looks like anyone who uses that is a dirty cheater.

Also some people don't know about all the type effectiveness. So since we can't be sure 100 percent of the people know about certain weaknesses and strengths we are just going to have to select our types at random so we don't get an unfair advantage in battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:48:26 No.15765960 Report

Quoted By: >>15765993

>>15765900
And let's not forget, there has never been a complete in-game explanation of EVs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:49:19 No.15765992 Report

Quoted By: >>15766031 >>15766098 >>15766141 >>15766172

>>15765851
>>15765789
>>15765706
lol, I'd resort to semantics too if I had no actual argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:49:19 No.15765993 Report

Quoted By:

>>15765960
Also there'll be some people in the world who've only played 10 minutes or so of the game, so playing it at all is actually cheating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:50:20 No.15766031 Report

Quoted By: >>15766521

>>15765992
We're actually still having a legitimate discussion, just also taking the piss out of you for being a retard and saying something fucking stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:51:59 No.15766098 Report

Quoted By:

>>15765992
you don't have an argument either

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:53:08 No.15766131 Report

Quoted By: >>15766604

>>15762086
It already is perfect. The problem is that hacked and not-hacked Pokemon are as similar as synthetic and genuine gemstones. That is, they are exactly the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:53:20 No.15766141 Report

Quoted By:

>>15765992
lol, I'd resort to telling people they're resorting to semantics if I had no actual argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:54:24 No.15766172 Report

Quoted By: >>15766647 >>15769164

>>15765992
Anyone with knowledge can use pokegen. As long as you aren't giving yourself everything, as in a 6IV mon with perfect abilities, natures, and all that jazz I don't see the problem. If someone just gives themselves a 5IV level 1 mon with the ability he wants, that isn't shiny or anything what's the problem? He still has to EV train it, he still has to get it the moves he wants, he just doesn't have to spend 5 days riding a bike in game. The IVs are like a wall, without good IVs you mon will suck for competitive play, and some people just don't have the patience to sit through all the egg hatching. You probably actually like it which is why you are siding for it, others don't though. What is wrong with them just saving themselves a little time.

They can even use these for trades too. Lets say I like trading, so I breed myself a 5IV mon that isn't exactly what I want and trade for one I do want. That is something someone can do as well. People don't have to use it to give themselves an edge, they can use it just to save time.

Now if you play against someone with 6iv mons, with all the perfect moves that are all shiny or something. Then yeah go ahead and complain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:58:12 No.15766286 Report

Quoted By: >>15766446

>>15764971
>the guy on the receiving end gets a perfect pokemon. That's pretty great.

Not really. If you don't have any reservations about using hackmons, receiving a perfect hackmon is worthless because you could've just generated one yourself. And if you don't want use hackmons, receiving one is worthless for obvious reasons.

Pokegen only has negative consequences for trade economy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:58:24 No.15766292 Report

Quoted By:

This thread seems to come up every day now, doesn't it? Personally, I've both genned and bred, and I can't speak for everyone, but breeding for 5 perfect IVs stopped feeling rewarding after the second time. I have around 20 bred up Pokemon too, and most of the time I spend my time doing multitasking because it's just so boring.

Don't really care if others choose to breed or hack, as long as its within the realm of the game's possibilities. (Which they fixed last gen, no more wondertombs or the like) When it comes down to it, the winner of the battle will be determined by who had the better strategy/knowledge.

Also, there is no such thing as "legit" as far as the game is concerned. There is only "legal" and "illegal". The game doesn't view anything as , "oh this looks good, but it wasn't generated using the right method, so it's only legal." That would be flagged right away as illegal, and prevented from being brought over/used online. Legitimacy, as it stands now, is only a thing that matters to humans, and can only be proven so far for any Pokemon originating from a gen 6 game. Same goes for old events. It's highly improbable that anyone has a useable wish Chansey/Blissey around that wasn't made with an external program, but it's impossible to prove that it wasn't obtained at the actual event if it has a proper PID generation/IV spread possible in FR/LG/the proper extra info that Pokemon from that event had.

At the end of the day, it's a video game. There are much more worthy things in life to be getting angry over.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:59:35 No.15766335 Report

Quoted By:

The first Pokemon I worked for IV breeding with HA took about 180 eggs. The second one I just finished today only took 40. It got easier after I did a lot of legwork from the first Pokemon and it's going to carry on with my next Pokemon too. I may get what I want in less than one box.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:59:48 No.15766342 Report

Quoted By:

>>15765663
Someone is getting the event Torchic and Heart Scales from PGL, and there are some people without internet who are at a disadvantage because they can never get Blazikenite or access some moves because of it.

Ban every Pokemon that can relearn moves, and ban every Speed Boost Blaziken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:02:22 No.15766442 Report

Quoted By:

>>15764844
The point is because trading for the mon you want doesn't take days of riding a bike while breeding one does. Some people may like to trade their 5iv hacked mon for the mon they actually want. I do see a problem if they are doing it consistently, but if they just do it once to get the mon then it won't really have a negative impact on the trading community.

Though if other people do it all the time it will make them worthless. Its like piracy, legally piracy is always wrong, but in some cases the company doesn't lose any money. People can use piracy as just a way to try out the games, or purchase them when they don't have money and buy them later. Those people are fine, but the ones who pirate any game even ones they want and can afford, they are damaging the industry. Pokegen isn't good or bad in it of itself, its how its used which determines that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:02:23 No.15766446 Report

Quoted By: >>15767080

>>15766286
>receiving one is worthless for obvious reasons
Nobody on the planet can tell the difference.

Receiving a hackmon is 100%, totally and completely without exceptions EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME as receiving a 'legit' pokemon.

So unless you hate good IVs then getting a hackmon is a great thing because it means you've got a good pokemon.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:04:33 No.15766521 Report

Quoted By: >>15766559 >>15766649

>>15766031
Really? Could have fooled me. By extracting a small tidbit (not only that but an exaggeration) out of context and ignoring the crux of the argument, you've just proven how far your reaching to sate your obvious cognitive dissonance. Change '100%' to 'most' and all of these snarky replies are irrelevant. Like I said, you gypsies want to have your cake and eat it too, and it''s not gonna happen.

I'll leave you all with this excerpt:

>Attitudes towards cheating vary. On one hand, cheating allows casual players to complete games at much-accelerated speed, which can be helpful in some cinematic or one-player games, which can take a subjectively long time to finish, as is typical of the Role-Playing Game (RPG) genre. While this may be seen as a hasty advantage, and causing no damage to anyone, in a multi-player game such as MMORPGs the repercussions of cheating are much more damaging. Cheating in those types of games is often prohibited. In many circles, the purchasing of items or currency from sources outside the game is also considered to be cheating. The Terms of Service from many games where this is possible, directly prohibits this activity.[citation needed] An example would be, in the Pokémon franchise the player can hack for items and Pokémon unavailable at that time or in that game, and they can hack for experience gain to level their party to become incredibly powerful early.
-wikipedia

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:05:40 No.15766559 Report

Quoted By: >>15766741

>>15766521
>it''s not gonna happen
Why not, anon?

Has GF found a magical new way to differentiate identical pokemon as 'hacked' and 'legit'?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:06:44 No.15766604 Report

Quoted By: >>15766645

>>15766131
>synthetic and genuine gemstones are the same

holy shit you're retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:07:49 No.15766645 Report

Quoted By: >>15769164

>>15766604
They fucking are, dipshit. The only difference is one was grown in a machine and the other was grown in the ground.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:07:52 No.15766647 Report

Quoted By: >>15766735

>>15766172
In Gen V, what I'd do was breed a legitimate Pokemon with the desired nature and ability, then use Action Replay to give it five perfect IVs. I don't think that's totally unreasonable, and I'm not ashamed of using those Pokemon against other players. Can't wait to import my quartet of perfect Dittos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:07:54 No.15766649 Report

Quoted By: >>15769164

>>15766521
What does a wikipedia article have to do with anything? I mean there are problems with pokegen, but that brings up none of them. Who would care if you hacked your pokemon to level 100? I wouldn't care if someone did that. I would never do it myself because I like leveling them up, but it wouldn't effect me negatively if someone else did. I only care if they hack something that I actually can't get.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:10:27 No.15766735 Report

Quoted By: >>15766786

>>15766647
That is actually a really good idea, I think if pokegen works for Gen VI then I am gonna do that. I do like breeding to some degree, I just can't focus on doing it long enough to get perfect IVs, nature, ability, and moves, but if I cut out the IVs it wouldn't be a problem.

Question though what do you do if the poke you breed has 31 in the stat you don't want? Just lower it a bit? That's probably what I would do since I know 6IV mons are pretty hard to get legit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:10:43 No.15766741 Report

Quoted By: >>15766789 >>15766817 >>15766916

>>15766559
Gen V will be the last gen with hacked mons. If you want a perfect VI Gen 6 mon on your team the only way to get it is breeding, and that will continue for Gen 7, 8, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:12:12 No.15766786 Report

Quoted By:

>>15766735
I just wouldn't alter the unimportant stat at all. That said, AR is incompatible with 3DS games.

;~;

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:12:18 No.15766789 Report

Quoted By:

>>15766741
Looks like we got to breed ourselves perfect gen V and below mons and trade em for later gen ones then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:12:57 No.15766817 Report

Quoted By: >>15766849 >>15766930

>>15766741
Stop living in your fantasy world, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:13:51 No.15766849 Report

Quoted By:

>>15766817
Stop living in your fantasy world, anon.

"Rob"Acidtape:Y 0318-7376-8413(Ground)Nincada,Sandshrew,Palpitoad

"Rob"Acidtape:Y 0318-7376-8413(Ground)Nincada,Sandshrew,Palpitoad Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:15:37 No.15766913 Report

Quoted By: >>15767060 >>15767283

Go use a battle sim

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:15:42 No.15766916 Report

Quoted By: >>15766953 >>15766983 >>15766987 >>15767131

>>15766741
>hacked mons don't exist in Gen 6
Oh really?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:16:19 No.15766930 Report

Quoted By: >>15767227

>>15766817
3DS has been out for a while now, I don't think Pokemon is going to be the catalyst needed to finally crack it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:16:22 No.15766933 Report

Quoted By:

>>15764028
you still there?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:16:47 No.15766953 Report

Quoted By: >>15767008 >>15767093

>>15766916
Everyone knows that's a fake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:17:28 No.15766983 Report

Quoted By: >>15767008 >>15767093

>>15766916

It's hilarious that you think that's what this is

Let the big boys talk or do some research

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:17:36 No.15766987 Report

Quoted By:

>>15766916
The method he used to do that isn't feasible for your average joe to get max IV mons, unless you want to break your 3DS open.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:18:25 No.15767008 Report

Quoted By:

>>15766953
>>15766983
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:19:26 No.15767060 Report

Quoted By:

>>15766913
I am going to trade you so many Genned Pokemon it's not even funny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:19:55 No.15767080 Report

Quoted By: >>15767214 >>15767350

>>15766446

There is a difference: One is hacked, and one is not. Lots of people straight-up don't want hackmons, regardless of them being otherwise identical to bredmons. If they're trading, pretty obviously they fall into that camp, otherwise they would've just generated one for themselves.

The question is, why are you trading a hackmon for a bred pokemon, instead of just generating whatever pokemon you want?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:20:09 No.15767093 Report

Quoted By:

>>15766953
>>15766983
You're either both retarded, or samefag.

Klingon 2208-5839-2736 (Fairy: Togepi, Floette, Jigglypuff)

Klingon 2208-5839-2736 (Fairy: Togepi, Floette, Jigglypuff) Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:20:11 No.15767095 Report

Quoted By: >>15767347

fuckkkk this.

been breeding my 31/31/31/XX/31/XX Mawile with my XX/31/31/XX/31/31 Mawile and have had 0 5 IV pokechildren out of like 100 eggs.

Fuck you RNG.

Socks 2380-3708-6825 (Magcargo, Shuckle, Nosepass)

Socks 2380-3708-6825 (Magcargo, Shuckle, Nosepass) Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:20:55 No.15767131 Report

Quoted By: >>15767210

>>15766916
>datamined
>hacked

I don't think you know what we are talking about

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:22:33 No.15767210 Report

Quoted By:

>>15767131
You can "mine" perfect IV "data".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:22:38 No.15767214 Report

Quoted By: >>15767731

>>15767080
I'm just saying anybody who cares about having hacked pokemon has literally ZERO way of knowing whether a bred pokemon is hacked, and therefore they have nothing to worry about.

If you get a perfect IV'd fully levelled pokemon with a good moveset, would you start bitching and crying or would you go "fucking awesome!"
Because it's either one or the other. You CAN NOT know whether one is hacked or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:22:55 No.15767227 Report

Quoted By: >>15767333 >>15769164

>>15766930
Even if that's not the case. What's to stop me from genning a 6IV Ditto in Gen 5 for breeding in XY?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:24:24 No.15767283 Report

Quoted By:

>>15766913
Battle sims take out of every aspect of the game excluding battles. Some people still want to train trade, even breed to some degree. They just don't have the patience to get 5iv mons. Regardless of if you agree with hacked mons or not, you would have to be retarded to not see the difference between using a hacked mon in the actual game, and just using a battle sim.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:25:40 No.15767333 Report

Quoted By: >>15767423

>>15767227
That + destiny knot and anyone could breed perfect mons all day erry day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:26:02 No.15767347 Report

Quoted By: >>15767526

>>15767095
(0.5)^2 . 1/6 = 0,041666...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:26:03 No.15767350 Report

Quoted By: >>15767395 >>15768094

>>15767080
There is no difference at all as far as the receiver is concerned. That's a fact.

So how, then, does it matter whether a pokemon is hacked or not when you send it out on the GTS? All it means is that somebody is getting a good pokemon out of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:27:22 No.15767393 Report

Quoted By:

>>15764689
Looks like you're just a babby who can't handle losing.

If you lose against someone who legitimately bred his 6 IV team, do you call him a hacker too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:27:28 No.15767395 Report

Quoted By: >>15767411 >>15767425 >>15767480

>>15767350
>All it means is that somebody is getting a good pokemon out of it.
It's not good if it's hacked.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:27:46 No.15767402 Report

Quoted By: >>15767632

Nah, OP. You're just shit at breeding and fucking run to Pokegen to do the work for you because you're incompetent and scared of challenge and patience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:28:07 No.15767411 Report

Quoted By:

>>15767395
You're right, it's the best it could possibly be. Gooder than good.

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie)

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie) Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:28:15 No.15767416 Report

Quoted By: >>15767487 >>15767509

Say, I've been breeding Axews for a Rape Train haxorus for the battle Maison and I just realized they are all Rivalry. Is there a way, through breeding, to change for the other nature.

Currently only 2 IV offsprings..

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:28:20 No.15767423 Report

Quoted By:

>>15767333
But anon, that's hacking!
How will I ever get caught?!?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:28:22 No.15767425 Report

Quoted By:

>>15767395
So when you get a good mon through a trade do you just go, damn I can't use this because it might be hacked? Cause there is no way to tell for sure if it is or isn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:29:45 No.15767480 Report

Quoted By:

>>15767395
It's identical to any legit pokemon and the only person on the planet who knows is the one who made it.

The person who got it cannot possibly know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:29:52 No.15767487 Report

Quoted By: >>15767614

>>15767416
Do you mean ability? Because there is. You can buy an Ability Capsule from the Masion for 200 BP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:30:39 No.15767509 Report

Quoted By: >>15767614

>>15767416
Plan A: get an axew with mold breaker
Plan B: Breed your mons without an everstone and pray for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:31:04 No.15767525 Report

Quoted By:

>yfw I unleash hordes of 4 and 5 IV Pokemon onto Wonder Trade.
>yfw they're all made in pokegen

GG Breeders

Klingon 2208-5839-2736 (Fairy: Togepi, Floette, Jigglypuff)

Klingon 2208-5839-2736 (Fairy: Togepi, Floette, Jigglypuff) Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:31:06 No.15767526 Report

Quoted By: >>15767619 >>15769164

>>15767347
so your saying?

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie)

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie) Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:33:35 No.15767614 Report

Quoted By: >>15767777

>>15767487
Yeah, but I am getting a team to beat the maison effortlessly and get some BP for the Power, Choice items, life orb, TMs etc... Then again, I might be overestimating the Maison after getting my ass handed to me in the institution. Maybe Rivalry won't be so bad.

>>15767509
Problem is my Adamant ditto doesn't has good IVs so this might loop me back to the start. This is the first time I breed for IVs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:33:40 No.15767619 Report

Quoted By:

>>15767526
If I'm not mistaken, the chance of breeding a 5 iv mon from those two parents you listed is approximately 4%, but you you have 100 of them holy shit get lucky any time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:34:02 No.15767632 Report

Quoted By: >>15767764 >>15768731 >>15769164

>>15767402
or he just wants to speed up part of the game that he finds tedious, seriously its not fucking hard, if you actually enjoyed breeding you wouldnt care about hackmons in the first place because breeding itself would be a fun experience

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:36:48 No.15767731 Report

Quoted By: >>15767798 >>15767837 >>15767976

>>15767214

And I'm just saying that's irrelevant. When people trade pokemon, they do so in the good faith that their peers are also dealing in goods that were captured or bred. Because the effort it takes to capture/breed is the only thing that gives a pokemon any trade value. There's no point in trading for something that can be generated, because generating doesn't cost you any time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:37:28 No.15767764 Report

Quoted By: >>15767836 >>15767843 >>15767875 >>15767889 >>15768032

>>15767632
So you're that guy that when someone murders someone else, you say "well, maybe they had a good reason to do so"

A crime is a crime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:37:44 No.15767777 Report

Quoted By: >>15767843

>>15767614
This is the first gen that I'm IV breeding too, don't you have someone in your friend list with a ditto in their safari? Maybe you should check one of those numerous threads in /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:38:15 No.15767798 Report

Quoted By:

>>15767731
But it doesn't actually matter. At all.
Shit's identical.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:39:16 No.15767836 Report

Quoted By:

>>15767764
Genning pokemon is not murder you dumb fucking nigger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:39:18 No.15767837 Report

Quoted By: >>15769164

>>15767731
The pokemon can be generated regardless of if the one you get is hacked or not, you could still generate it. As the hacked mons and normal mons are the same. Unless you are doing the training and breeding yourself their is really no difference between getting a hacked mon or a normal mon. Either way you could just generate it.

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie)

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie) Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:39:37 No.15767843 Report

Quoted By: >>15767916 >>15767966 >>15767995

>>15767764
breeding and battling are different games. Genning is skipping the steps and allows for more flexible build and gets you right into the competitive battles quickly.

>>15767777
I do, and I spent hours and hours getting all the natures. The Adamant one had to be traded and it wasn't a safari one. could do it, but alas, I'm seeing my options.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:40:23 No.15767875 Report

Quoted By: >>15768016

>>15767764
but its not a crime you idjit, its literally just lines of code, how long it took to make doesn't matter if its exactly identical to any other piece of code

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:40:42 No.15767889 Report

Quoted By:

>>15767764
Oh look I found a picture of you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:41:15 No.15767916 Report

Quoted By: >>15767992

>>15767843
So don't you have an adamant synchronizer? I could try to breed one for you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:42:17 No.15767966 Report

Quoted By: >>15768021 >>15768030

>>15767843
Did you spend the time trying to get 5 or 6 IV Dittos? I recently added someone and discovered they have a Ditto safari.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:42:30 No.15767976 Report

Quoted By:

>>15767731
It makes no difference at all.
Literally none.
I mean, it's fucking crazy to imply that trading pokemon is anything other than trading code.

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie)

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie) Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:42:56 No.15767992 Report

Quoted By:

>>15767916
it was a funny story. The adamant ditto I have was traded as I was breeding the adamant sychronizer (A poor ralts had to breed with a slugma. She still has burn scars.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:43:02 No.15767995 Report

Quoted By: >>15768155

>>15767843
It doesn't have to get you right into battle. As one anon said he breed for the right abilities and nature and then IV hacked his mon. At that point he still had to do some breeding, and he still has to train his pokemon. Genning only skips right to battle if you want it to, and if that's what you want then by all means do it doesn't bother me. If I were to gen I would do something similar to what the other anon suggested, or I might do what a different anon said and use a 6IV ditto to make breeding easier, I don't want to skip right into battle, I just can't focus long enough to breed a 5IV mon as is, so I want a quicker method that's all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:43:33 No.15768016 Report

Quoted By:

>>15767875
MY LINES OF CODE ARE SUPERIOR TO YOUR LINES OF CODE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:43:46 No.15768021 Report

Quoted By: >>15768079

>>15767966
>trying to get 5/6 ivs dittos

uwot, the odds are like (1/31)^4

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie)

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie) Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:43:59 No.15768030 Report

Quoted By: >>15768084 >>15768101

>>15767966
Best I go was 3 IV dittos. Can really get 4 31IVs from a wild pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:44:01 No.15768032 Report

Quoted By:

>>15767764
a better metaphor would be me not caring if someone fell off a cathedral or fell off a skyscraper, the end result is still the same, a sad event and a lot of work for the street cleaning crews

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:45:07 No.15768079 Report

Quoted By: >>15768258

>>15768021
I can dream can't I?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:45:14 No.15768084 Report

Quoted By:

>>15768030
You can get 6 IV from wild pokes.

It's extremely unlikely, but still possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:45:29 No.15768094 Report

Quoted By: >>15768259

>>15767350

Just because a receiver isn't capable of identifying a difference doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Hacked pokemon may function identically in all respects to battling, but there's still the crucial difference that it takes far less time and effort to create.

That time and effort is what makes pokemon worth trading. If it wasn't a pain in the ass to get a 6IV ideal nature with a hidden ability, nobody would be trading for them. Introducing hackmons onto the market reduces the scarcity of perfect pokemon, which reduces their value for trading. It wrecks the economy the same as any other counterfeit good, regardless of being identical to the real deal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:45:39 No.15768101 Report

Quoted By:

>>15768030
theoretically yes but it would always be quicker to breed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:46:02 No.15768115 Report

Quoted By: >>15768161 >>15768258

anyone have that helpful breeding guide pic?

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite)

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite) Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:46:30 No.15768125 Report

Quoted By: >>15769348

>>15764974
Sorry faggot, I can't understand you while you're guzzling that much horse sperm.

You sound like a six year old child who can't win at checkers so they just flip the board. You're an asshole and I hope you get raped.

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie)

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie) Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:47:13 No.15768155 Report

Quoted By: >>15768312

>>15767995
Well, in my personal opinion, if you're gonna skip steps skip them all. Don't cheat half assedly. Hell I remember in Gen IV I made a team of a Serene Grace Flareon with Sacred Fire, a Huge Power Regigigas and a Simple Scizor with Dragon Dance for the Battle Frontier.

I also made pokemon for my friends. I'm breeding here because both, of nessesity and well I've never bred before.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:47:22 No.15768161 Report

Quoted By:

>>15768115
this one?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:48:04 No.15768192 Report

Quoted By: >>15773900

>>15761888

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:49:40 No.15768258 Report

Quoted By:

>>15768079
>the number is so low it couldn't fit on the calculator screen
you can mate, but good fucking luck actually managing to have one

>>15768115
Maybe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:49:45 No.15768259 Report

Quoted By: >>15768977

>>15768094
I would understand your argument if trading worked like an actual market, but it doesnt its just exchanging on mon for the other

if ive read that right your point is you think hackmons are bad because they decrease the rarity of good mons overall, is that right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:51:18 No.15768312 Report

Quoted By:

>>15768155
The whole reason that some of us want to use pokegen is because we still want to raise pokemon, we still want to have them grow. The breeding is just way to tedious and time consuming. We skip that step while enjoying the rest of it which we enjoy. Otherwise we would just use a battle sim.

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite)

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite) Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:51:42 No.15768324 Report

Quoted By: >>15768374 >>15768428 >>15768528

>>15765228
Hurr durr I'm too lazy to actually buy or trade for these trading cards but I still want to use my printed out/home made cards in the real life tournaments!

OMG YOU ARE SO UNFAIR THEY WORK JUST LIKE THE REAL CARDS YOU GUYS I'M TELLING MY MOM!!!

Cry more you stupid, shitty asshole, or put in the hours and prove that you've EARNED your fucking team's respect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:52:18 No.15768345 Report

Quoted By:

What is everstone? What is Destiny Knot? What is not being an autist and realizing only 3 to 4 Perfect IVs is all that's really needed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:53:20 No.15768374 Report

Quoted By:

>>15768324
For casual play in magic people proxy cards all the time, I never do, I buy all my cards, however I don't get mad when someone uses proxy cards. Shit gets expensive yo, and if they don't wanna pay the money well I can't blame em.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:55:05 No.15768428 Report

Quoted By:

>>15768324
this argument is tired and a stupid comparison, a better example would be if you could buy cards individually and for approximately the same price, but people still buy random packs in the hopes of getting that one card "because they dont want to take a shortcut"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:56:46 No.15768491 Report

Quoted By:

What the hell do you need 5 perfect IVs for? You're just going to cram all your EVs into Speed and Attack anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:57:27 No.15768528 Report

Quoted By:

>>15768324
I'm not that anon, but you are very brain damaged.
Who the fuck needs respect from a line of code.
Your "team" is just a bit of data.
Get a job and put that effort somewhere worthwhile.

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite)

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite) Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:58:31 No.15768563 Report

Quoted By: >>15768662 >>15768681 >>15768746

>>15765568

>Using fake Magic or Yugioh cards
>trying to compete in an official tournament
>complaining when people kick him out for being a retard

Well all it does is save people time. I guess you are one of those who enjoys trading. Good for you, some people can't stand doing the same thing over and over again for days on end. Though they have to do either that or print out free fake cards to play competitively.

Guess what? You haven't earned that team and you don't respect them like you should. That means you're fucking worthless. It's a game about partnership and you're making it WORSE than Call of Duty. At least there you can't just jump to max level and yell 'GG SCRUB GET GUD FAGGET.'

Actually, you probably can, but at least no one there claims that it isn't cheating.

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite)

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite) Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:00:08 No.15768623 Report

Quoted By: >>15769337

>>15765588

>people seriously think crime can be stopped

No. It's going to happen. But I will oppose it with every fiber of my being because it's fucking wrong.

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie)

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie) Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:01:04 No.15768662 Report

Quoted By: >>15768718

>>15768563
Contrary to cards, if you're not an idiot you can make your Pokemon 100% legal with PokeGen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:01:31 No.15768679 Report

Quoted By:

>get a Fletchling from a jap on Wonder Trade
>about to release it and try again
>check its stats
>Gale Wings, Adamant nature
>IV calculator
>perfect IVs in everything but speed, which is 27
I literally fell ass-backwards into a good time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:01:35 No.15768681 Report

Quoted By: >>15769283

>>15768563
Well no one I know ever goes to tournaments that aren't sealed. Shit costs like hundreds and hundreds of dollars to make a deck that is only half way decent. I don't really think its a completely fair comparison. Pokemon doesn't require you pay hundreds of dollars to compete in a tournament. And how do you know the person doesn't care about their team in pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:02:50 No.15768705 Report

Quoted By:

I love these threads.
As a guy who is more partial to breeding, both sides are autistic as shit and it reaffirms how much of a cancerous cesspool /vp/ is

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:03:11 No.15768718 Report

Quoted By: >>15768742

>>15768662

Except you can't, because genned pokemon are not allowed

Just like proxies in TCG tournaments

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:03:42 No.15768731 Report

Quoted By: >>15768790 >>15768870

>>15767632
Actually, I just find winning online with bred teams much more satisfying than with generated teams, because you finally get to see the pay off after hours of hatching and passing on moves, abilities, natures, etc.

Generated teams just feel soulless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:03:58 No.15768742 Report

Quoted By: >>15769310

>>15768718
But gamefreak can't tell they are hacked

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:04:05 No.15768746 Report

Quoted By:

>>15768563
dude, i get that some people prefer breeding but what the hell is with your argument, he doesnt "respect them like he should?" news fucking flash, its a game, a piece of god dammed code

i dont know what fucking happened, i mean its fine to have a little emotional investment in your mons that pulled you through so tough battles but this is just insane, if it was and actual computer AI with emotions/feelings then id agree with you but at this point youre just lying to yourself

Helel 2578 3912 3301

Helel 2578 3912 3301 Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:04:57 No.15768771 Report

Quoted By:

>>15763964
It does though, objectively even. The cases where this advantage is relevant are incredibly close to 0 (so like, an asymptotic level) but they are not 0.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:05:45 No.15768790 Report

Quoted By: >>15768975 >>15768989

>>15768731
you still spend hours leveling them up, and if you use the method on anon mentioned of breeding for nature and ability then you still spend time in that. You just didn't have to spend 10 days playing ride your bike in a circle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:08:19 No.15768870 Report

Quoted By: >>15768989

>>15768731
That i can agree with, there is more satisfaction, but its the same with as with any game, there's people who want to invest a lot of time and ones who don't, and really, it doesn't matter which you are because in the end its your personal experience that counts not the opponents

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:11:20 No.15768975 Report

Quoted By:

>>15768790
this is pretty much the reason i wont gen anything out side of event legends and dittos when its made possible, sure i find breeding boring as fuck, but i actually enjoy putting effort in to raising my team so its a nice compromise really

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:11:26 No.15768977 Report

Quoted By: >>15769251

>>15768259

Yes. 6IV, ideal nature and hidden ability Pokemon are valuable-- for trading-- only because they're rare, and they're rare only because the game requires you to invest hours into creating one through RNG. When you circumvent the breeding process, perfect pokemon become much rare and much less valuable for trade.

As long as we're talking TCGs, there's no real problem with using a printed-out proxy card in a game, and lots of local gameshop tournaments will allow that. Official tournament play won't because of $$$. But strictly, factually speaking, it makes no difference for playing the game.

However, nobody is going to trade you a real card for your printed proxy. That would be retarded. Even if neither of you have an interest in official tournaments and the proxy is just as playable as the real thing, the fact is your friend could just go home and print out his own proxy if he wanted one so bad.

Likewise, it's retarded to put hackmons out on the market for trade, even if they function identically.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:11:49 No.15768989 Report

Quoted By: >>15769226 >>15769766

>>15768790
>10 days

Holy fuck! No wonder you run to Pokegen. Shit, I would too if I were so terrible at breeding. I made my current team in just over 24 hours.

>>15768870
I know, but sometimes you just have to argue about pointless things with anonymous people to get rid of the stress from the week.
That aside, though, that first guy is fucking dreck at breeding

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:14:27 No.15769077 Report

Quoted By: >>15769274

Breeding and EV training ate supposed to take effort. You put in extra effort and you are rewarded by having advantage over people who didn't put in that effort. While using a save editor might not be "unfair" it's certainly in poor taste to use one and play against people who did it the hard way.

For example say I entered a pie baking contest and then bought my pie from a professional baker. It's true I didn't use any ingredients the other contestants didn't have access to but I'm being super disrespectful to the people who put in the work and then competing against them.

If you want to use pokegen you shouldn't play in an environment agianst people who don't. If you don't see how that's in poor taste you really are socially retarded.

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite)

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite) Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:16:47 No.15769164 Report

Quoted By: >>15769262

>>15766172
>>15766649
>>15767632
>>15767837
You haven't earned your team and thus they are nothing but false emblems of pride. you're not even men.

>>15767526
*you're

>>15766645
Tell that to the fiance you'll never have when you try to give her an engagement ring with a fake diamond. Prepare for a dumping.

>>15767227
But ditto can't pass on poke'ball or hidden abilities. Enjoy your shitty poke'mon, dude.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:18:46 No.15769226 Report

Quoted By: >>15769325

>>15768989
probably because you had safari's with all the poke you wanted, and ditto. Not everyone is that lucky mate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:19:38 No.15769251 Report

Quoted By: >>15769327 >>15769468

>>15768977
but the thing is that its just swapping in the end, ill elaborate on the market point i made earlier, for example say the GTS ran on a points system instead of a pokemon for pokemon system, pokemon where ranked on in game rarity and gained points for things like, good natures, amounts of egg moves and if those egg moves require chain breeding, amount of IVs etc

and the better a pokemon was the more points you had to pay for it, this would also allow people to see exactly what they where trading for before they traded, hell gamefreak could even implement this with a thing similar to poke mileage,

now with this sort of system there is an actual trade economy, expert breeders make a lot of points while other people decide to trade 3-4IV mons for comparatively less points,

in this situation, good mons hold actual economical value, however thats not how current trading works, with current trading, people are just swapping mons for other mons 1-1 so it doesnt really affect an "economy" in any way

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:19:52 No.15769262 Report

Quoted By:

>>15769164
>You haven't earned your team and thus they are nothing but false emblems of pride. you're not even men.
*tips fedora*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:20:12 No.15769274 Report

Quoted By:

>>15769077

Why do people insist on using this argument? "Oh if i entered a competition about something totally different from pokémon and did something totally different from hacking it wouldn't be fair, would it?" Jesus Fucking Christ, i won't even point how wrong it is to feel entitled to some kind of advantage, but please, stop using these terrible .

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite)

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite) Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:20:31 No.15769283 Report

Quoted By: >>15769357

>>15768681
Because otherwise he would've taken the time to breed them for real. You can't make a clone that's 40 years old and perfect and love it like your real son.

Also, it's an easily refuted point, but we DO pay hundreds of dollars for our system and like 120 for one copy of each game, 40 for x, y, and z (assuming obviously, I know it's wrong for some) so yeah, they mostly can and do pay hundreds.

For your argument it's like showing up with a phone emulator and asking to play against the 3ds owners.

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite)

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite) Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:21:33 No.15769310 Report

Quoted By: >>15769388 >>15769471

>>15768742
> But wizards can't tell I had them printed at Kinkos

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:21:52 No.15769325 Report

Quoted By: >>15769437

>>15769226
It's not luck, it's searching on /vp/ for those corresponding Pokemon.

If you don't breed and EV train in the most efficient ways possible, then you're obviously going to suck at it/hate it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:21:58 No.15769327 Report

Quoted By:

>>15769251
10/10
Fund it

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie)

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie) Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:22:26 No.15769337 Report

Quoted By: >>15769421

>>15768623
Hacking into someone's account and distribte private info is a crime
Hacking into a bank to steal money is a serious crime and could get you many years in jail
Hacking fictional animals in a videgame targeted for children is not a crime

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:22:57 No.15769348 Report

Quoted By:

>>15768125
Not even the same guy. But seriously, you can't call anyone a child when you respond to conflicts like this. It makes you seem like an idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:23:10 No.15769357 Report

Quoted By: >>15769494

>>15769283
The system isn't a pokemon machine its a handheld console, you only have to buy it just for pokemon if you want to. You can buy it for the other games. And once you have the 40 dollar game that's it. No spending 400 dollars for your playset of Tarmagoyf to go along with your 500 dollar playset of Jace the Mind sculpture.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:23:57 No.15769375 Report

Quoted By: >>15769448 >>15769454 >>15769477

Only guide I will ever use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:24:14 No.15769388 Report

Quoted By:

>>15769310
Yes they can

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite)

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite) Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:25:03 No.15769421 Report

Quoted By: >>15769527

>>15769337
I never said this was a crime, just that this shit is wrong and needs to be stopped, LIKE crime, but it's impossible to stop either entirely. GG fag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:25:19 No.15769437 Report

Quoted By: >>15769566

>>15769325
So you spend hours in threads hoping someone with the right pokes comes in. Then you spend 24 hours riding a bike. Sure sounds fun.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:25:31 No.15769448 Report

Quoted By: >>15769477

>>15769375
this thing here is oversimplified but i find it very easy to follow

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:25:38 No.15769454 Report

Quoted By:

>>15769375
It's sad to see each generation's morals getting worse and worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:26:09 No.15769468 Report

Quoted By: >>15769616

>>15769251

You don't need a currency for a market to develop. Barter economies where goods are traded directly for one another are still markets, and goods still valuable even if you can't attach a number to them like "20 points." I don't really see how just swapping invalidates anything I said.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:26:14 No.15769471 Report

Quoted By: >>15769612

>>15769310
I'm not sure what your point is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:26:30 No.15769477 Report

Quoted By: >>15769520

>>15769448
I think >>15769375 is about a million times more simple.

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite)

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite) Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:27:11 No.15769494 Report

Quoted By: >>15769619

>>15769357
That's why I said this, dipshit:

>it's an easily refuted point
>assuming obviously, I know it's wrong for some

It's like you can't even read.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:27:12 No.15769495 Report

Quoted By: >>15769553 >>15769568

Is it possible to get 6 IV 'mons in XY?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:28:01 No.15769520 Report

Quoted By: >>15769552

>>15769477
my bad i didnt notice the original guide post was a joke version, ah well

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie)

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie) Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:28:13 No.15769527 Report

Quoted By: >>15769684

>>15769421
it's not wrong and it won't be stopped. It's called "using every resource". That one method just happens to more efficient than yours, no need to get angry over that. Nothing is stopping you from spending hours into breeding.

It's not like you can use Pokesav on X and Y anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:29:00 No.15769552 Report

Quoted By: >>15769706

>>15769520
Why is that a joke? Same results without relying on RNG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:29:02 No.15769553 Report

Quoted By:

>>15769495

It's always possible. You just have to rely on RNG way more than anyone would want to bother with.

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite)

Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite) Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:29:20 No.15769566 Report

Quoted By: >>15769624 >>15769689 >>15769698

>>15769437
'fun' isn't the point, dipshit.

That's like saying plagiarism is fine for earning grades.

Sure, the wrong way is easier, it can be hard to prove you cheated, and it still gets you what you wanted, but you didn't earn shit, and you're a terrible person for doing something like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:29:28 No.15769568 Report

Quoted By:

>>15769495
Yes, but it's highly unlikely. There's no way of controlling all six IVs, so one has 1/31 chance of being perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:31:18 No.15769612 Report

Quoted By: >>15769854

>>15769471
Just because the officials can't tell you're cheating doesn't mean you're playing the game correctly. You're a petulant child who can't do anything through determination and a touch of 'work' you have to have instant gratification and you're unwilling to put even the barest amount of effort into it, but you still want to 'be the very best.' I don't accept you. I never will.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:31:26 No.15769616 Report

Quoted By: >>15769929

>>15769468
except that currency markets are superior in every to way to bartering markets, because it allows you to get what you want, even if you don't happen to have what the other person wants, say i want a volcarona with a specific, nature/IVs/moves/ability, lo and behold i find a trade thread on 4chan and someone has one exactly like what i need, although i have no chance of getting it because while i have a lot of good mons i dont have the specific one he wants, currency markets get rid of this complication and speed things up considerably

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:31:30 No.15769619 Report

Quoted By:

>>15769494
Its still not easily refuted, as a playset of certain cards will cost you more than a 3DS XL with both pokemon games. And for certain decks you need certain cards. For a competitive green modern deck you pretty much need 4 Tarmogoyfs. And those are just 4 of the 60 in your deck. Running multicolored, well that's a few hundred more for your shock lands, and Fetch lands. And that's just modern, you want to play vintage then oh boy. It's not in the same ballpark at all. Even if you just buy the 3DS for pokemon, thats at most like 240 and its a one time few. Every time you want a new team you aren't going to have to spend another 1000 dollars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:31:38 No.15769624 Report

Quoted By: >>15769721

>>15769566
>plagiarism is the same as genning
In this case, it's like having a machine that shits a perfectly original essay you could have done with lots of time.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:31:41 No.15769625 Report

Quoted By: >>15769698

>>15761888
COME AT ME POKEBANK.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:33:30 No.15769684 Report

Quoted By: >>15769866

>>15769527
I'm not mad because you'll beat me, I'm mad for you using poke'mon you were too lazy to earn and you still want a champion's crown. It's just plain lazy, even at its best.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:33:36 No.15769689 Report

Quoted By: >>15769774

>>15769566
>plagarism is the same as pokegenning
Tel me who are you wronging by pokegenning? You aren't taking someone else's work and passing it off as your own. You aren't giving yourself an advantage over someone else. All you are doing is saving yourself some time of doing a boring repetitive task over and over again.

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie)

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie) Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:33:51 No.15769698 Report

Quoted By:

>>15769566
then again if you're breeding, say, an Axew, you don't really need the Sp. Atk IV and maybe even the Sp. Def IV. You're probably not going to survive Hydreigon's Dragon Pulse even with 31 Sp. Def IVs.
Hp IVs, on the other hand are more useful.

>>15769625
That day will be fun. The day my old team of yore and I cross paths again... I'll need to actually get a Gen V cartridge though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:33:57 No.15769706 Report

Quoted By:

>>15769552
you misunderstand, i am completely fine with pokegenning as its kept legal, what i meant was, that text is clearly put on top of a guide meant for breeding, to mock breeders, therefore, a joke, one in poor taste sure, but still a joke

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:34:38 No.15769721 Report

Quoted By: >>15769864

>>15769624
Except you didn't build the machine, you took someone else's work and profited from it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:36:00 No.15769766 Report

Quoted By:

>>15768989
>if I were so terrible at breeding

I am breeding a xx/31/31/31/31/31 adamant female Huge Power Bunnelby holding an everstone with a 31/31/31/xx/31/31 adamant male Pickup Bunnelby holding a destinky knot.

I lead my party with Talonflame, ride back and forth until I get five eggs, fly to Prism Tower, use Hatching Power Lv. 3, hatch them, fly to Kiloude City, and have the guy tell me that none of them have the right IV spread or ability.

Been at this for three days.

What am I doing wrong?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:36:10 No.15769774 Report

Quoted By: >>15769854 >>15769873

>>15769689
You're wronging the players who put in the hours to earn their team by shitting all over them. You didn't earn your team, like a 10 year old with a hacked call of duty account. Sure, it's just max level and it's still about skill, but you didn't earn shit, devaluing those who put in the hours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:36:27 No.15769789 Report

Quoted By: >>15769917

Pokegenning is like doing steriods as opposed to actually working.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:38:22 No.15769854 Report

Quoted By: >>15769890 >>15770008 >>15770815

>>15769612
No, I'll win with skill.
Breeding is tedious.
It's boring.
It's pointless.
It is not a measure of skill.

Battling is fun, and takes skill.
If I win a battle it'll be through skill, not because the other fucker spent 5 hours breeding a pokemon.

Listen to yourself. You're acting like I don't deserve anything at all because I don't want to hold left and right on my fucking D-pad for hours on end.
Well, you know what? I deserve exactly as much as anybody who DOES run side to side for hours, because I'm winning every battle I fight perfectly legitimately.

>>15769774
What if my friend trades me all the pokemon I use? I haven't EARNED them, I've been given them. Should trading pokemon be banned?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:38:32 No.15769864 Report

Quoted By: >>15770903

>>15769721
your joking right? the "machine" in question is distributed free by the creator, its comparable to refusing to use a free pen to file a check in the bank because your profiting from someone elses work that made and/or payed for that pen

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie)

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie) Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:38:32 No.15769866 Report

Quoted By: >>15770943

>>15769684
You're not gonna get the champion's crown due to the pokemon you breed or generate, but how you use them. And like I said, that's an entirely different game from breeding

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:38:40 No.15769873 Report

Quoted By: >>15771080

>>15769774
You aren't making the battle any harder for them by using hacked mons vs normal mons. You still put time and effort into training them. You just didn't want to ride your bike for hours on end. Some people don't enjoy that. You obviously do, but I don't. You take pleasure from breeding. Its not the same for someone who doesn't enjoy it to waste their time on it as it is for someone who does enjoy it. And regardless of that the end result is the same they get to battle someone on even footing. They do. You don't get any advantage over them, besides hurting their feelers cause you didn't want to ride your bike for hours and hours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:39:08 No.15769890 Report

Quoted By: >>15769932 >>15769967 >>15770044

>>15769854
>I can win with skill but I need perfect, hacked pokemon to do it.

You're retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:39:51 No.15769917 Report

Quoted By:

>>15769789
No, it's like doing genetic engineering. Except the genes are numbers that take zero effort to change and literally the only people opposed to it are people who do not want their already-wasted time devalued.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:40:10 No.15769929 Report

Quoted By:

>>15769616

Yeah, but again, that has absolutely nothing to do with my argument. A hypothetical currency market could be better for pokemon, I don't know, but it doesn't change the fact that trading hackmons harms the actual market that we do have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:40:13 No.15769932 Report

Quoted By: >>15769961

>>15769890
>I can win with skill but I need perfect, bred pokemon to do it.
Fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:40:59 No.15769961 Report

Quoted By: >>15769992 >>15769999

>>15769932
>implying

None of my competitive team has more than 3 perfect IVs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:41:07 No.15769967 Report

Quoted By: >>15770004

>>15769890
So the winner of a battle shouldn't be whoever outskills who on an equal playing field but should be the person who wasted more of his time hatching eggs?

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie)

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie) Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:41:48 No.15769992 Report

Quoted By:

>>15769961
>not going for at least one defense
You're using a Klefki, are you not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:41:56 No.15769999 Report

Quoted By: >>15770088

>>15769961
Wow you're so lazy, by playing against other people you're devaluing them by using pokemon you haven't put time and effort into.
You're cancer on competitive pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:42:03 No.15770004 Report

Quoted By: >>15770063

>>15769967
No, it should be the one who doesn't cheat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:42:14 No.15770008 Report

Quoted By: >>15770025

>>15769854

It's a measure of effort

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:42:52 No.15770025 Report

Quoted By:

>>15770008
my dick is a measure of effort

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:43:13 No.15770044 Report

Quoted By:

>>15769890
you do realize that people who use pokegen, pokesav, etc hardly ever max every single IV, because most of them do realize that that wouldn't be fair against people who dont use pokegen, besides most pokemon only need perfect IVs in 3-4 stats anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:43:33 No.15770063 Report

Quoted By: >>15770092 >>15770157 >>15770330

>>15770004
But it isn't cheating. People who hack are merely skipping the long boring shit. Cheating would be wonder guard Spiritomb

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:44:30 No.15770088 Report

Quoted By: >>15770301

>>15769999
>by playing against other people you're devaluing them by using pokemon you haven't put time and effort into.

Your argument might make sense if I only lost.

You pokegenners act like everyone you battle has a perfectly bred team. This is far from the truth, very few people even take the time to breed that much. That's why it's cheating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:44:34 No.15770092 Report

Quoted By:

>>15770063
Well as someone for pokegen, I wouldn't say it isn't cheating. That would depend on your definition of the term, and some would say it is. However it doesn't give you an advantage in battle over the opponent which should be what matters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:46:42 No.15770157 Report

Quoted By: >>15770281 >>15770426

>>15770063
>Cheating refers to an immoral way of achieving a goal. It is generally used for the breaking of rules to gain unfair advantage in a competitive situation. Cheating is the getting of reward for ability by dishonest means. This broad definition will necessarily include acts of bribery, cronyism, sleaze, nepotism and any situation where individuals are given preference using inappropriate criteria.[1] The rules infringed may be explicit, or they may be from an unwritten code of conduct based on morality, ethics or custom, making the identification of cheating a subjective process.

In my eyes it's cheating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:50:02 No.15770281 Report

Quoted By: >>15770442 >>15770492

>>15770157
Its not cheating in terms of battling though, because it gives you no advantage.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:50:37 No.15770301 Report

Quoted By:

>>15770088
>mfw i pokegen but usually only max 3 IVs to keep things even
it feels good to be a neutral person in the middle of this shitstorm

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie)

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie) Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:51:14 No.15770330 Report

Quoted By: >>15770492

>>15770063
Personally, I admit it's cheating. But... so what? It's not an in-battle cheat. it's a cheat that cuts down a process, not one that puts you at any true advantage over an opponent in battle. Hell it's almost not an exclusive one, since you can always trade them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:51:49 No.15770344 Report

Quoted By:

>>15761888
You are doing it wrong.
The mother has 80% chance or so to pass on its ability.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:53:13 No.15770401 Report

Quoted By:

>tfw literally just got 2 perfect IV adamant thick fat icicle crash swinubs in one batch

YESSSS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:53:46 No.15770426 Report

Quoted By: >>15770492

>>15770157
it doesn't actually give you much of an advantage though does it, since it seems to be hardcore breeders vs pokegeners at the moment, well assume that most breeders teams will have 4-5 maxed IVs, pokegeners usually have anything for 3-6 perfect IVs but it doesnt really matter because hardly any pokemon make use of every single stat so in the end its not an advantage at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:54:08 No.15770442 Report

Quoted By: >>15770507

>>15770281
I don't really care if you do it, but don't start crying if Nintendo makes it impossible.

rI personally find it morally objectionable. I try not to push my morals on others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:55:23 No.15770492 Report

Quoted By: >>15770603 >>15770880

>>15770426
>>15770330
>>15770281
What about all the people you battle who don't breed? You don't exclusively battle hardcore breeders from /vp/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:55:38 No.15770507 Report

Quoted By: >>15770574

>>15770442
If nintendo does that I would just import a 6IV ditto and use that for breeding. The only reason I don't breed is because I do lose focus and once that happens I just can't keep playing. I have an attention disorder though, so hey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:57:18 No.15770574 Report

Quoted By: >>15770678

>>15770507
Using your disorder as an excuse isn't healthy.

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie)

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie) Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:57:47 No.15770603 Report

Quoted By: >>15770727

>>15770492
breeders then why do I keep getting 3 IVs mons from the wonder trade? Besides, AGAIN, you can't use pokesav thus far. it's entire hypotetical how

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:58:41 No.15770643 Report

Quoted By:

Pokemon are kind of like those do-it-yourself kits to make a model of something.

Sure, you could just buy a model already made, but the work you personally put into it makes it more valuable.

Its not like people love breeding pokes. Its just part of what makes them special. If you dont get this at all, maybe you are better off playing pokemon showdown.

But personally, although i dont hack, when battling i dont really care if my opponent is using hackmons, as long as their movesets/stats are valid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:59:32 No.15770678 Report

Quoted By: >>15770771

>>15770574
I am not, I used it as an explanation. I never said what I did was justified because of it, I merely explained why I do it. That isn't an excuse. What happens when I get bored is my mind races to any other topic, and my ability to comprehend what I am doing is shot. My brain literally becomes retarded in that moment. It doesn't make anything I do because of it anymore or less morally right, but it does explain things, and is why I mentioned it. Please refrain from making stupid assumptions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:00:45 No.15770727 Report

Quoted By: >>15770840

>>15770603
You've obviously done it in the past. All your friends that you battled hacked too? or bred for perfection? I'm just saying, in certain circumstances it's not cheating, but a lot of the time, it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:01:49 No.15770771 Report

Quoted By: >>15770883

>>15770678
Don't mention it and I won't have to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:03:01 No.15770815 Report

Quoted By:

>>15769854
"A friend gave me perfect mons HUR DUR ITS THE SAME THING"

No it's not. Your friend was willing to give up the product of his work so you can compete. That makes your friend kind.

Basically, he did the work and got NONE of the reward, just because he wanted you to stand a chance. It's not the same thing at all as making up some fakemon and slamming it into a battle sim.

And before you go all 'hurr durr he can use them too, so it's a loan' sure he can. But not in the same tournament. Not at the same time. He worked for ONE perfect pokemon, then graciously lent it to you, forgoing his ability to compete. That's just straight-up kindness between people, and it's playing the game 100% correctly because it reinforced your friendship.

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie)

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie) Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:03:30 No.15770840 Report

Quoted By:

>>15770727
From either. Some breed, some hacked, some asked me to make Pokemon for them. One of the strongest players I found bred because. He did asked me to make a Mespirit for him, though.

this was in gen IV, btw, but I don't think the argument has changed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:04:39 No.15770880 Report

Quoted By:

>>15770492
but thats just like saying you shouldn't breed pokemon because it gives you the upper and against people who don't breed, like i said i never do anything that isnt within the possibility of breeding and even then i usually handicap myself a bit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:04:48 No.15770883 Report

Quoted By: >>15771397

>>15770771
No I mentioned it as an explanation, so maybe you could understand why I did that. Not so you could think it was any less or more justifiable. Make no mistake I consider the disorder a flaw, one that I should be able to overcome, the fact that I haven't is my fault. Regardless of where the blame lies, and it does lie with me saying I have a disorder while not shifting the blame explains things. That isn't an excuse. You shouldn't have assumed it was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:05:17 No.15770903 Report

Quoted By: >>15771095

>>15769864

Except no one has to normally cut themselves open to bleed onto their check in order to sign it.

free to everyone =/= free to those that abuse the system.

That's why it's like plagiarism. Sure the 'paper' is distributed for free for anyone to use, and you may succeed with it, and no one is hurt because of it, but you didn't earn shit and you don't deserve the payoff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:06:19 No.15770943 Report

Quoted By: >>15771018

>>15769866
Sure, but it's still lazy and you never earned the right to compete.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:07:48 No.15771000 Report

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>>15764885
>Two people have a battle. They have identical pokemon.
>One person genned his.
>The other bred them.
>Who is more likely to win?
probably the genned guy, he can spend more time learning to battle (i.e. learning to play the game).

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie)

CANO - 4038 5997 0165 (Riolu, Pancham, Meditie) Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:08:13 No.15771018 Report

Quoted By: >>15771355

>>15770943
And who are you to say that? Who do you think you are?
A high-end competitive player? A Smogonfag?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:09:28 No.15771080 Report

Quoted By: >>15771275 >>15771318

>>15769873
It's not harder, sure. I'll grant you that.

But you're invalidating their work, devaluing their time and effort, and ruining what I consider to be a great community experience.

Basically, you don't deserve to compete.

To me, at least, that's like saying 'sure I didn't take any tests, earn the grades, put in the work, or apply, but I DESERVE TO GO TO THIS COLLEGE TOO.'

Sorry, man. To me, if you don't do the work, you don't deserve the reward, no matter HOW tedious the work is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:09:53 No.15771095 Report

Quoted By: >>15771588

>>15770903
im sorry but you've got a skewed view of things
what's actually happening is that it is free to everyone, but because for some reason yoru morally opposed to it you dont use it
thats completely fine, but you need to remember morals are subjective, just because you dont like something doesnt make it bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:13:07 No.15771228 Report

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>There are people who think hacking pokemon is morally wrong

Fuck, i dont hack, and i hope game freak manages to keep the game hack free, but you people are really going crazy about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:14:05 No.15771275 Report

Quoted By: >>15771588

>>15771080
This isn't college though, again with the straw man. All you are doing is skipping the breeding that's it. It doesn't give you an advantage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:15:19 No.15771318 Report

Quoted By: >>15771588

>>15771080
interesting, im sure a lot of people would agree with you but it just seems like your bitter someone got the same results as you with less effort put in.

its comparable to someone copying out ten pages from by hand from a computer screen while another person prints the pages out

the person who copied them out will obviously feel cheated that the same work was done more easily by someone else but that fact remains that the results are exactly the same

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:16:18 No.15771355 Report

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>>15771018
A common trainer who worked for every poke'mon I've caught and trained. That's who the hell I am, dipshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:17:23 No.15771397 Report

Quoted By: >>15771835

>>15770883
The way you worded it made any other assumption pretty hard to make.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:22:04 No.15771588 Report

Quoted By: >>15771878 >>15772150

>>15771095
My moral compass guides me and I have a right to speak out against things I think are wrong. I'm hurting no one by opposing this practice.

>>15771275
But you haven't EARNED the right to compete against people. Perfect poke'mon should be earned, not just shat out for free. That's my point.

>>15771318
Indeed, you're quite correct. I am embittered by people who get what I work for for free.

But as for your argument, the only way the computer/print out thing works is if the professor explicitly told you 'write it by hand, I won't accept print outs' and you've done it anyway.

Anyone would feel slighted, wouldn't they?

(otherwise, thank you for being a reasonable person, 99% of people in this thread lack your decency.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:28:16 No.15771835 Report

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>>15771397
Well perhaps, I guess having a disorder, and being around others who do I have adopted a certain way of thinking. Where as long as the symptoms are control able, and the person has normal or higher intelligence then they are responsible for their actions. I feel this way, and a lot of the people I talk to do as well. So its just the way I word things. Didn't mean for you to assume it was an excuse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:29:20 No.15771878 Report

Quoted By: >>15772034

>>15771588
>but you haven't rode your bicycle for 24 hours
Pokebattles are supposed to be about skill. Riding a bike takes none.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:33:37 No.15772034 Report

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>>15771878
Don't take it out on the breeders just because your dad never taught you how to ride a bike.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 23:36:26 No.15772150 Report

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>>15771588
actually i do see what you mean, you've actually made me see it from your perspective fully, i wasn't expecting that

and your right i to would feel slighted if someone got the same result as me for half the work

but i think the difference between you and me is that we would respond in different ways when slighted like this, you would want to keep doing it the way your comfortable with so youd try and get others to stop so you can stop feeling slighted

meanwhile id take on that method and use it myself and in that way stop feeling slighted
i guess it just depends how used to a certain method you are

for example am only just starting to get into breeding, therefore i am more open to new ideas because they are all coming at me at once anyway

whereas im assuming youve been breeding since gen 5,4 or even 3 so your more attached to the methods you know

however i do understand that if everyone tool my approach to being slighted breeding would become obsolete and thats a thing you dont want to happen because you still enjoy breeding

the only real way to get out of this circle is for both of us to realize that both methods are always going to be used because both have their pros and cons, i can breed my favourite mons and get that nice satisfaction, but also gen some ones that i use a lot less frequently and only really wanted to try out, and you can breed for the majority of the time but also gen occasionally just to see if you like something enough to put the breeding effort in that your werent sure about before

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 00:21:22 No.15773900 Report

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>>15768192
does this method work? is there an iv calculator for 6th gen?

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