SO,,Shuckle has stupid amazing defenses but shit HP, is it worth investing EVs in HP to try to make up for this or should i just pump EVs into both Defenses?>Shellsmash >Stone edge >Stealth rock >Toxic
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replace toxic with power trick and SR with sticky web
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>>15847823 I kinda wanted to run a powertrick shuckle once, but i feel like theres no way it would survive long enough to make use of that. Unless maybe contrary shellsmashing enough first?
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Lee | Spooky Ghosts (Spiritomb, Phantump, Lampent) 1607 - 2712 - 5715 Tue 12 Nov 2013 01:35:18 No. 15847966 Report Quoted By:
Relaxed or Sassy, nature wise.
Anonymous
Is shell smash contrary really a good idea.
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>Contrary >Shell Smash >Stone Edge
Anonymous
>>15848069 With Contrary you get the buff from Shell Smash and the debuff turns into buff?
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>>15848190 Contrary: Moves used on the Pokémon that raise stats lower the stats, while the moves that lower the stats raise the stat
the buffs will turn into debuffs though.
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Lee | Spooky Ghosts (Spiritomb, Phantump, Lampent) 1607 - 2712 - 5715 Tue 12 Nov 2013 01:43:51 No. 15848266 Report >>15848190 The buff becomes a debuff.
You get - Atk, - Sp Atk, - Sp and + Def, +Spdef with contrary.
It's good if you wanna be an asshole and stall
Which I do Anonymous
>>15848266 yes, and thats nice, but it makes
>>15847823 's powertrick even more risky.
So whats good for stalling with shuckle?
>drop stone edge add something that can stack damage an or rest to just keep the fucking wall up forever?
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Lee | Spooky Ghosts (Spiritomb, Phantump, Lampent) 1607 - 2712 - 5715 Tue 12 Nov 2013 01:51:13 No. 15848499 Report Quoted By:
>>15848398 Infestation/Shell Smash/Rest/Power Split
Minimising the damage they can do to you, while trapped. Magical if it pays off. Get's a bit boring but I fucking love Shuckle so it's pretty cool.
Anonymous
>>15848266 Speaking of Stalling... I once read there was a Slowbro (or was it Slowking?) setup that allowed for virtually unlimited stalling, with Recycle and a PP Berry. The setup also included Heal Pulse, to keep your enemy from Struggling to death.
It was basically the trollest thing ever that I read in that if it worked, the only way out was if you wanted it to end, or they ragequit.
Anonymous
I'm pumping out shuckles now that will run
Anonymous
>>15848563 what effect does repeated use of infestation yield?
Also, How does one breed for Hidden ability?
Anonymous
>>15848618 Means they can't switch out of their doom.
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Lee | Spooky Ghosts (Spiritomb, Phantump, Lampent) 1607 - 2712 - 5715 Tue 12 Nov 2013 01:56:56 No. 15848687 Report Quoted By:
>>15848504 Yeah there is but you can't get recycle on one yet because it's a tutor move from a previous gen so gotta wait til december to make one in game.
>>15848618 >what effect does repeated use of infestation yield? None really. The status itself is what will be doing the damage. But it's all ya got. It also traps them.
>Also, How does one breed for Hidden ability? Get a female with the hidden ability and preferably the nature you wish and make her hold an everstone.
Anonymous
>>15848659 So,...
Send out shuckle, Contrary, contrary, contrary\
Infestation, toxic, rest,
wait, wait, wait,
infestation, rest.
Anyone have an opinion of if its worth investing in HP?
Anonymous
hmm i wonder if with a baton pass agility sub power trick shuckle could sweep
Anonymous
>>15848801 My team is defense heavy so I gave my shuckle 252 HP, 252 SDEF, and 4 DEF.
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Personally if you were going to run a power trick shuckle I would opt for: sturdy instead of contrary, acupressure for stat increase, Power trick obviously, an attack probably Stone Edge, and then either another attack for coverage a healing move so Rest or another utility to try and play it safe like Power Split. If you can pull everything off i.e. getting all the stat increases from acupressure then when you Power Trick you should have an attack stat around 600x4 which should OHKO just about anything.
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>>15848869 it would not.
primarily because shuckle can not in any form learn Baton pass.
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Lee | Spooky Ghosts (Spiritomb, Phantump, Lampent) 1607 - 2712 - 5715 Tue 12 Nov 2013 02:05:00 No. 15848950 Report >>15848907 I do this as well and make him impish so that' he gets the nature boost to Def and EV boost to Sp Def.
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>>15848869 You would need trick room. Even with maximum speed buffing Shuckle will still go last to most pokemon.
Anonymous
>>15848950 In my case I gave him sassy as well because I also run mega Aggron. My whole team is bulky as fuck with a Talonflame to revenge kill boosters with choice gale wing brave bird.
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Lee | Spooky Ghosts (Spiritomb, Phantump, Lampent) 1607 - 2712 - 5715 Tue 12 Nov 2013 02:10:54 No. 15849140 Report >>15849048 >mfw i run mega aggron too C. Band Scizor or a bulky volcarona with a few quiver dances under its belt is what I use to clean up shop.
Sometimes I replace aggron with mega pinsir though. Dat boy is a threat. I also love mono bug teams.
I fucking HATE Talonflame cause he would absolutely wreck my shit every time Anonymous
>>15849140 Talonflame is a huge disappointment to me because I loved Fletchinder design and cry much more. Kept it around to counter popular megas and has been my MVP in many battles.
What moveset do you have on your Aggron? I'm thinking of redoing mine with stealth rock and dragon tail.
Anonymous
>Get a moody smeargle >teach it minimize and baton pass w/ focus sash >repeat 2 more times >go into battle >baton pass minimize across the smeargles until you get to shuckle >have shuckle w/ leftovers and toxic, substitute, swagger, trick room >252 hp, rest of the ev's split into def and sp. def >watch as rage quitting and tears ensue online
Anonymous
Is Shuckle a viable entry hazard setter?
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>>15849356 Not until december.
Anonymous
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252 HP, 252 SDEF, 4 Def
Anonymous
>>15849312 Trevenant@lum berry
harvest
252 hp, 252 def
curse
will-o-wisp
rest
substitute
>Trevenant used curse etc
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Lee | Spooky Ghosts (Spiritomb, Phantump, Lampent) 1607 - 2712 - 5715 Tue 12 Nov 2013 02:21:54 No. 15849500 Report >>15849308 I was lucky enough to get one in a a trade with SR/Curse/Head Smash and Endeavor so I've been messing around a lot.
Replaced curse with automise and endeavor with EQ and I've been having luck with it. Outs peeding things with it is comical to me. Might drop the rocks though, I find myself not using them. I can't really settle on a move set.
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>>15849356 It has that sticky web move to nerf the enemy team's speed and stealth rock. Pretty decent combo.
Anonymous
>>15849048 What's your name start with
Anonymous
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>>15849539 J or Z depending on what you're asking for.
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>>15849447 Do you run sunlight to guarantee the Harvest proc?
Anonymous
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>>15849500 thats a good moe. SR shouldn't be used on sweepers
Anonymous
>>15849500 Aggron can do all sorts of things decently but I'm having trouble finding my ideal set. Do you use Autotomize twice? I feel like one use wouldn't be enough to sweep with 50 base speed.
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>>15849447 Can curse hit a +6 evasion pokemon?
Anonymous
Ok, so taking all that input i came up with
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Lee | Spooky Ghosts (Spiritomb, Phantump, Lampent) 1607 - 2712 - 5715 Tue 12 Nov 2013 02:31:31 No. 15849826 Report Quoted By:
>>15849743 Just depends on whats infront of me. I was fighting a talonflame that used fly (lol) and I ended up using it three times.
I will always try to go for twice, but once has been enough on a few occasions. I lead with galvantula and sticky web as well though, so that's why.
Anonymous
>>15849802 I've always felt like shell smash made power split redundant.
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Lee | Spooky Ghosts (Spiritomb, Phantump, Lampent) 1607 - 2712 - 5715 Tue 12 Nov 2013 02:34:04 No. 15849916 Report Quoted By:
>>15849802 It's exacly what I run.
You don't need the speed IV either. If you out speed anything with this your opponent must be some sort of slow magician.
Don't be disillusioned if you can't set up the first few times, when it happens it will be glorious.
Anonymous
>>15849903 Excuse me, I should add that it only makes it redundant when you are running a contrary wall. power split is decent when you have stone edge.
Anonymous
>>15849903 maybe, i was thinking i could use powersplit, and then shell smash a few times (which would lower my atks due to contrary) and then id be ready to use it again with obscene Defs.
though, i suppose i could potentially ditch one of them and get the other half of
toxic / rest.
>>15849944 OHHHH, cause power split with actually turn into a Debuff right?So right, ...
maybe
Infestation, toxic, shellsmash, rest.
Anonymous
>>15849447 Does ghost curse still stick after switches?
Anonymous
i'm attempting a contrary shuckle with
Anonymous
>>15850020 I believe power split works like pain split but with your attack and special attack stat. If you use it on something with high attack then Shuckle will gain a moderate attack power and become able to do some damage with stone edge while your opponent's attack stat will be cut nearly in half. It's a buff and a debuff and this is why it synergizes well with stone edge.
>>15850044 If you're cursed and use baton pass you pass the curse as well.
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Lee | Spooky Ghosts (Spiritomb, Phantump, Lampent) 1607 - 2712 - 5715 Tue 12 Nov 2013 02:44:38 No. 15850258 Report >>15850020 Actually, I think it still just gives you both an the average of your combined stats.
With Stone Edge, the purpose of attack split is to boost your attack for a more powerful hit. With the stall set, the point of power split is to lower their attack, increasing your survivability.
Anonymous
>>15850238 No I mean if you hit a pokemon with the curse status does it stick even if they switch out? Trevevant is a ghost type so the move would do that instead of boosting his stats.
Anonymous
>>15850294 If you switch it out the curse is gone. Curse is used to wreck baton pass or force switch outs.
Anonymous
>>15850258 that was exactly what i was planning to use it for.
but its it better to be able to restore health with rest?
Also,, is toxic the way to go with poisoning? or would sludge bomb serve me better
Anonymous
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Lee | Spooky Ghosts (Spiritomb, Phantump, Lampent) 1607 - 2712 - 5715 Tue 12 Nov 2013 02:51:19 No. 15850461 Report Quoted By:
>>15850352 Toxic, 100%.
You will do next to no damage with a sludge bomb before a power split, and even with one it will be kinda bad since your Sp Atk is slow to begin with. Then the poison is only gonna happen 30% of the time.
Fuck that. Toxic.
Personally I take rest over toxic, but toxic would definitely help you. I just find that a viable recovery more dependable.
Anonymous
>>15850352 >but its it better to be able to restore health with rest? This is why I don't use power split on my defensive Shuckle. Rest also prevents status ailments from wrecking your tanky set up.
Anonymous
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Lee | Spooky Ghosts (Spiritomb, Phantump, Lampent) 1607 - 2712 - 5715 Tue 12 Nov 2013 02:55:25 No. 15850610 Report >>15850473 The reason I do it is cause I'm not exactly sweeping teams. KOs are slowww so people will often try to set up and the like. And the you get crits and shit.
I guess toxic or SE will kill them quicker and make this less of an issue, but the method I find with the most survivability is infestation/power split/rest/shell smash.
Damn, for something so simple there are quite a few nuances in how it can be played.
Anonymous
>>15850513 i say ditch safeguard, but i am a fool with no concept of competitive battle.
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>>15850631 the only weakness i can think of for this shuckle is getting poisoned or burned. the biggest defense can't hold back poison
Anonymous
>>15850610 Yeah, Shuckle is a shockingly diverse pokemon.
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Lee | Spooky Ghosts (Spiritomb, Phantump, Lampent) 1607 - 2712 - 5715 Tue 12 Nov 2013 02:58:11 No. 15850703 Report >>15850513 >>15850631 this. It could definitely work, but I feel like you wouldn't be making the most out of it.
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Lee | Spooky Ghosts (Spiritomb, Phantump, Lampent) 1607 - 2712 - 5715 Tue 12 Nov 2013 02:59:24 No. 15850754 Report Quoted By:
>>15850683 I also have an accupressure/rest/sleep talk/roll out set that I will break out from time to time. This is also great fun.
Both of mine are called SSJ3 BROLY Anonymous
>>15850703 with a trick room, it'll move faster and prevent the pokemon from switching with infestation. shuckle watches, as the pokemon lays there, dying of the toxic poison running through the pokemon's veins
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>>15851071 i'm also naming it trotsky, cuz he was a tough bastard
Anonymous
So, if im trying to pass down contrary,, I need to make sure that my eggs get the IVs i need AND are exclusively female?
Anonymous
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>>15851709 You can pass contrary with a male, but you need him to breed with a Ditto.
Anonymous
Shuckle really suffers from 4MSS. Here's your moves to look at, good luck figuring out which four are most important for you:
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>>15852655 Im building a second shuckle specifically for Powertrick,
Power split first then power trick will
A, give it a little def to not die with,
B, give your opponent no attack to kill with.
and then i can have fun stone edging and what not.
