Anonymous
>>15869684 The only problem is that pokegen nubs have been trading hacked pokemon to people for years. So lots of innocent players would get banned.
Anonymous
>>15869684 Just like pirates they'll find a way.
They're hell bent on ruining it for everybody.
I'm wondertrading as much as possible right now because when it happens I'm never using WT again Anonymous
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>>15869926 Just release anything that wasn't caught in X and Y.
Anonymous
>Oh wow, it's this thread again!
Anonymous
>>15869926 you guys have got to stop acting so victimized about pokegen
we want to compete in the meta without waiting for an rng to give us the numbers we want.
it's also not ruining anything. with 5/6 perfect IV pokemon being so easy to get now, if you choose to get your pokemon legitimately you are simply trading 2-4 hours for a feeling of accomplishment. it's admirable, but hacking your pokemon is not something to be admonished. if anything, it's letting more people have access to actual metagame, instead of being turned off by the stupid amount of time it takes to make an optimized team.
you should be praised for having the patience to make a legitimate team. but there's nothing wrong with skipping the training part. what if i want to try a new pokemon just for giggles? 5 minutes with an action replay, 3 hours without.
i've ev trained two perfect IV teams on x this gen. it feels pretty good, but i'd rather have pokegen, and i'll pick it up as soon as its available.
Rob 4081 6760 1293 (Ledyba, Volbeat, Vivillion)
Rob 4081 6760 1293 (Ledyba, Volbeat, Vivillion) Tue 12 Nov 2013 20:13:08 No. 15870256 Report >>15870196 I don't understand how people can have fun using pokegen.
"oh boy now I can have whatever I want instantly!"
then you play the game for 5 minutes and its all fucking boring because you've just ruined it for yourself
Anonymous
Why are pokegen users such insufferable cunts?
Anonymous
>>15870196 You do realize pokegen is banned in tournaments right?
You realized people get DQ'd for shit like this right?
You can't talk about being competitive if you have to cheat to do it.
Anonymous
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>mfw the only person who will know if a pokemon is hacked is the person who made it >mfw people are going to stop using features because they're paranoid fuckholes even though if gamefreaks hack detection is any good they won't let hacks on the gts/wt in the first place
Anonymous
Remember those people on Jump Ultimate Stars who'd use 3 Koma Trunks and Sena, as well as a Black Box Koma?
Anonymous
>>15870196 Pssst. No one likes you, except your fellow pokegen users.
Anonymous
>>15870196 http://pokemonshowdown.com/ Here. Now you dont have to use pokegen and can play pokemon just like youw ant without pissing of others. Problem solved.
Anonymous
>>15870196 >what if i want to try a new pokemon just for giggles? Use a simulater, and when you get a set that you like breed it.
Anonymous
>>15870256 People don't Pokegen for fun. In the same respect, people don't spend hours breeding for fun.
>>15870282 Firstly, hacked 'mons that make it onto the GTS are identical to the ones legitimately created in-game, data-wise. If an "honest player" got one, there would be no way of knowing.
Now that breeding the Pokemon you want is easier than ever, coupled by the Friend Safari allowing you to cast vast amounts of Pokemon with hidden abilities, why use the GTS in the first place? I mean, if you're so paranoid you're getting something hacked.
>>15870318 Because the average Pokemon player participates in official tournaments.
>>15870353 You clearly don't know what Pokegen is. Go research more and try again.
Anonymous
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the only thing i'd want pokegen right now is to get the fucking BP items
Anonymous
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>>15870256 The fun comes from building the movesets/teams and fighting them. I don't blame them for not wanting to hatch eggs just to try out their team.
Anonymous
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>>15870353 Pokegen users are NOWHERE near as bad as those dickholes, you're delusional. Those guys are blatant cheating assholes, Pokegen users are just lazy.
Anonymous
>>15870318 Not at all. now I get to play the actual metagame online with the pokemon I want to in less than 10 minutes.
>>15870256 Tournaments? What tournaments? The ones that happen once a year with stupid rules?
Train a team if you want to go to tournaments, sure. But for online, why not use pokegen? It's to try out new builds and test stuff and just play without spending so much time on training.
Anonymous
>>15870404 >why use the GTS in the first place Legendaries, version exclusives, shinies, starters from games that I don't have.
Anonymous
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>>15870318 A mon that is hacked to match a perfectly bred mon wouldn't matter anyway. They aren't hacking for shit like multiscale garchomps, wonderguard anything, or shedinja with more than 1 hp.
They are just hacking for mons that are on par with bred ones to not waste time. Plus any hacker worth their salt wouldn't want anything short of perfectly indistinguishable from bred mons.
Anonymous
>>15870404 >Because the average Pokemon player participates in official tournaments. Well it doesn't affect EVERYBODY so it affects nobody. PLEASE SHOVE 50 DICKS IN MY MOUTH I LOVE IT
You.
If you want to be a lazy faggot then fine, you can cheat for yourself, but don't fuck with other people in the process.
>>15870484 Like I said, I have no problem at all if you want to just cheat for yourself but when you're using them competitively you're fucking with people who actually worked for what they have.
If you don't like one of the main systems of th game why the hell do you even play it?
>inb4 hurrr poogymen isn't out riding a bike back and forth xD The endgame is about breeding. That is breeding. Don't like it? Piss off.
Anonymous
>>15870396 I use it. I paid for the pokemon games, why don't I get to play them?
>>15870379 Lots of people like me. Using pokegen is simply taking a shortcut that doesn't matter once the competition has started. No fun has been lost, it's just time saved.
>>15870397 why can't i just go on smogon wifi search and battle in the game? im not ruining anyone's experience. you can legally get everything that i do in pokegen; im just saving myself time.
Anonymous
>>15870592 but I don't want to use a simulator, I wanna use them in the REAL gaaaame
Well what do you know, the pokegen user is an entitled little shit.
Whoda thunk it.
Anonymous
>>15870484 I think the stigma is the fact that Pokegen not only entirely skips hatching eggs and all that shit (not to say that isn't laborious), but also that it can gen statistically perfect mons pretty much immediately. If you're going purely by how the game is meant to be played, that's cheating, because despite how time consuming the task may be, it IS possible in game. Game Freak intended it to be something to be worked toward.
You could argue the point forever more. I understand that it saves vast amounts of time that most players simply do not have, and that you might just want to get right into the battle side of things, but it's still shaky ground in terms of how the game is intended to be played.
Anonymous
>>15870592 >I paid for the pokemon games, why don't I get to play them? You paid to play legit Pokemon. People also paid to play legit Pokemon.
Pokegenners don't want to play legit Pokemon. They want to ruin it for everyone.
Anonymous
>>15870592 You still can. But you should play it like everyone else is doing it and how gamefreak designed it. They even make breeding a fucking joke this gen, it indeed was a fucking pain to breed in earlier gens, but there is no excuse to not breed this gen.
Anonymous
>>15870491 Here I'm taking about breeding. Suppose you do use the GTS for those, version exclusives, shinies, etc.
Supposing they are legitimate, chances are they are not competitively viable. Most of the time they were caught and not bred. Even if they were hacked 'mons, they would have to be bred anyway, giving you a legitimate product.
As for legendaries...there is nothing I can say. Being not able to be breed makes them subject to more hacking that other 'mons.
>>15870582 >If you want to be a lazy faggot then fine, you can cheat for yourself, but don't fuck with other people in the process. How is anyone else fucked in the process?
Anonymous
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>The same thread every day with the exact same arguments
Ader 0344 9703 0124 (Krabby, Wartortle, Azumarill)
Ader 0344 9703 0124 (Krabby, Wartortle, Azumarill) Tue 12 Nov 2013 20:32:38 No. 15870780 Report >>15870404 >people dont spend hours breeding for fun well, i enjoy breeding
it feels really good when you get to the pokemon you wanted
your move
Anonymous
>>15869891 Maybe it will just be erased from Pokebank? Would be glorious
Anonymous
If it makes you feel any better OP, Pokemon traded up from previous gens won't be usable online. All Pokemon that can be used online at the moment have a blue pentagon in the 'markings' area (so, all of them). Ones that have been traded up from Pokebank won't have that marking and won't be able to be used in anything but Battle Maison and Local Battles.
Anonymous
>>15870771 You're getting wins you haven't earned.
If some faggot drove onto an olympic sprint with an electric scooter, even if he only went the speed that all the other runners were going, even if he fucking lost he didn't deserve to even be in that competition.
He didn't put in the work required to be there let alone the work required to WIN.
Whether you like it or not the effort people put into breeding is part of the work that is necessary to win. Without it you're just a faggot cheater.
Anonymous
>>15870771 Battles with passers-by with teams of hacked mons. If that keeps happening, it'll eventually dissuade the average player from challenging at all, making the feature pointless.
Just a theoretical example, but it could happen.
Anonymous
>>15869891 >>15870821 at the very most I expect poketransporter to go "this pokemon is not legitimate, cannot transfer"
Anonymous
>Little timmy gets a hacked pokemon from the GTS without knowing it >raises it and bonds with it >tries to transfer it to XY >LOL GO FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKING HACKER SCUM GAME BANNED POKEMON DELETED CONSOLE BRICKED >now little timmy can't play online with his friends, and has no idea why
Anonymous
>>15870780 Maybe
there are people that enjoy breeding and people that don't. Anonymous
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>>15870256 It's a lot more fun than having to jerk someone off for Dittos.
Anonymous
>>15870582 What? The endgame is about breeding? For what?
It's got a fun metagame. I enjoy playing it. I don't enjoy riding a bike back and forth and fighting gravelers over and over, so I skip that step. That's it.
Why would it be fucking with people competing with me? They can get the same pokemon, whether via meticulous breeding and training or 10 minutes in pokegen. What does all that time net me? Respect? Honor? Why can't I have those by being better at them in the actual game? Why is skipping to the fight more honorable than taking 5500 steps, hoping for an rng's mercy and then another 5-6 hours training it to level 100?
I've trained two full teams this gen, and more in the previous generations. It's tedious and I don't enjoy it, although the end result feels a bit more satisfying than using pokegen. When pokegen is available, ill use it.
Ader 0344 9703 0124 (Krabby, Wartortle, Azumarill)
Ader 0344 9703 0124 (Krabby, Wartortle, Azumarill) Tue 12 Nov 2013 20:41:10 No. 15870991 Report >>15870923 so you're telling me that just because they dont like something, they should be able to get the rewards linked to such activity?
man, i really hate working, can you just give me the paycheck and we call it a day?
Anonymous
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>>15870991 But I'm not the same anon, I'm just saying that not all the people like the same things.
Anonymous
>>15870582 >>15870649 >>15870671 >>15870708 I guess this is the end game. Breeding.
Not fighting, not exploration, not filling the pokedex. Breeding.
Breeding is the be all end all of pokemon.
But what if you don't like it? What if this feature rubs you the wrong way? Even if you're good at it and make perfect mons. You don't feel accomplished you just feel empty.
Whelp go play another game seriously anon this endgame is clearly not for you.
Are there breeding tournaments? No. Know find a more valid argument.
>>15870780 There are people who like doing something like this. That's fine and dandy. Know what about the people who find it a waste of time?
>>15870991 Nailed it right on the head Ader. Breeding isn't fun. It's work.
Anonymous
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>>15870832 This actually sounds like a pretty sensible solution
Anonymous
>>15870832 I hope this is only for rated battles. I mean I don't pokegen, but what if I feel like taking my Genesect for some fun online?
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>>15870832 [Citation needed]
Anonymous
>>15870780 I meant to throw in that there are obviously expections. Anyways, the majority of players find breeding tedious, I was just trying to draw a line for comparison. I'm not trying to argue.
If you enjoy breeding, props to you. I enjoy it too. And if that is the case, you wouldn't care how other people obtain their Pokemon since it doesn't affect you. This is what anti-genners fail to realize.
>>15870857 >You're getting wins you haven't earned. Wins are earned by battling, not breeding.
>If some faggot drove onto an olympic sprint with an electric scooter, even if he only went the speed that all the other runners were going, even if he fucking lost he didn't deserve to even be in that competition. You're implying Pokegenned Pokemon are somehow stronger or have an unfair advantage against legitimate Pokemon. They don't and they're not.
>>15870861 Like I said to the other guy, hacked 'mons are no different than legitimate ones.
>it'll eventually dissuade the average player from challenging at all The average Pokemon player doesn't breed at all, instead using their story-mode team + legendaries. These players can be beat easily with a competitive team.
It's unlikely that random players you'll encounter will have fully set-up competitively viable teams, but even if they had, would that discourage people battling? I think it would do the opposite.
Anonymous
>>15870951 >It's got a fun metagame. I enjoy playing it. I don't enjoy riding a bike back and forth and fighting gravelers over and over, so I skip that step. That's it. This is some stupid ass bullshit.
Training is part of the metagame you nitiwit.
The match begins loooooooooooooooooooong before you ever even challenge someone because builds, breeds and, most importantly, TIME INVESTED determine how good a team is.
You can't just "skip that step" any more than you can skip the battle, because you think that's tedious, and go straight to winning because that's more fun to you.
Anonymous
>>15870857 This. Very well stated.
If these pokegen mons get through I will be upset. I don't wish for people to be banned, just for gamefreak to disallow the transfer of illegitimate pokemon.
Anonymous
>>15870832 That's a good way of preventing pokegen pokemons from ruining online.
I assume that pokemon spawned from them (so, actually born in X/Y) are able to go online, though, otherwise the point of importing pretty much decades.
Anonymous
>>15870832 Hm... That does sound good. Shame about the legendaries though
I'm kidding, if you use legendaries online, you're a fag Anonymous
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>>15870821 Don't take my word for it but I remember reading that hacked Mon won't be able to transfer into pokebank
Anonymous
>>15871082 Nah fuck you, I shouldn't miss out on having a complete living Dex because I wasn't around for the Darkrai and Arceus events due to my internet being unable to handle it.
Anonymous
>>15871022 >Are there breeding tournaments? Yes Every single tournament ever the winner has been the one with the best bred and coordinated pokemon you faggot If you don't like breeding that's fine but you're not entitled to the rewards it brings. Go do all those other things you listed but don't come here and bitch about how hard breeding is when you're in no way obligated to do it.
Anonymous
>>15871104 >tfw perfect IV parents will still make it easier to breed perfect Pokemon At least shinies online are legit now
Anonymous
>>15871079 Considering competitive Pokemon is dominated on simulators, I would beg to differ.
Anonymous
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>>15871057 There will be new distributions to reobtain 'clean' versions of those mons. The number of obtainable Pokemon is so high in X&Y exactly because you need to recatch everything. You'll be able to obtain the majority of the dex by the end of this gens lifecycle.
Pain in the ass but it will obviously pay off in the end once online matchmaking is free of hackmons.
Anonymous
>>15871115 Yeah, that is a bullshit excuse and you know it. Trading exists.
Anonymous
How would they be able to detect it retards?
Ader 0344 9703 0124 (Krabby, Wartortle, Azumarill)
Ader 0344 9703 0124 (Krabby, Wartortle, Azumarill) Tue 12 Nov 2013 20:49:23 No. 15871194 Report >>15871022 well, i find it fun
just do something else while doing it, it requires minimal attention and its been dumbed down by quite a lot
if you find it a waste of time, it makes it ok to just skip it all?
cool
>>15871077 i've been on both sides, i used pokesav/pokegen up until BW2 came around, when i decided to pick up something new to do
still, it kinda makes the whole breeding side of the game useless, since the other guy is gonna have, sometimes, even better pokemon than you do in a way shorter time span.
i can understand if you're someone that's too busy to breed, i've been there
but, IMO, it just ruins a pretty fun side of the game, and just wrecks the concept of trading
Anonymous
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>>15871107 I swear every time i see a Mewtwo while battling online i curse the gods. Can't imagine the amounts of rage if Arceus/Deoxys/Genesect are allowed
Anonymous
>>15871022 >There are people who like doing something like this. That's fine and dandy. Know what about the people who find it a waste of time? They shouldnt play pokemon. I dont like combo training for hours, days and weeks in beat em ups, so i dont play them. I also wouldnt use autocombos or macros to kick peoples asses who legit trained these combos.
Anonymous
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>>15871077 >Wins are earned by battling, not breeding Then why do you feel the need to cheat to get perfect IVs?
Just use some wild pokemon. It's just as good as a bred one right?
god, you're a fucking idiot. >You're implying Pokegenned Pokemon are somehow stronger or have an unfair advantage against legitimate Pokemon. They don't and they're not. Except I went out of my way to state the exact opposite you dumb faggot.
Let me spell it out for you in big letters to make it easier to read.
EVEN IF THEY LOSE THEY ARE STILL CHEATERS WHO DON'T DESERVE TO PLAY COMPETITIVELY.
Anonymous
>>15871136 It isn't hard.
It's tedious work.
There is no real thinking involved. Just putting things together and staying organized.
Like a desk job. And I find desk jobs stupid and boring.
Anonymous
>>15871186 Nobody trades away their event legendaries, retard.
Anonymous
>>15871190 Note: You may find yourself unable to use Pokémon Bank or Poké Transporter to deposit any Pokémon created illegally by software unauthorized by The Pokémon Company and Nintendo into your online Boxes, or to move these Pokémon between online Boxes.
Anonymous
>>15871230 And HOW are they going to be able to DETECT that?
If all the Trashbytes are in order : YOU CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE
Anonymous
>>15871157 did you mean "predominately"?
Otherwise that makes no damn sense.
>>15871223 >Like a desk job. And I find desk jobs stupid and boring. And because of that you don't deserve the pay of a desk job.
What don't you understand about working to earn something versus cheating to get it?
Anonymous
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>>15871138 True that, but how else are you going to have pokemon that are not in Kalos dex if not by importing?
At least it will still take some effort
Anonymous
>>15871230 That doesn't answer his question.
Though they might have a system to detect fakes. Like if some guy has an unnatural amount of shinies that were all caught around the same time, his Pokemon get deleted or if you have a perfect IV shiny for that matter or something like that
Anonymous
>>15871257 We'll see when Pokemon Bank comes out, fag
Anonymous
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>>15870832 >believing this Anonymous
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>>15871214 I play fighting games because whatever I find them fun. And I pass the time by playing arcade mode or against my buddies.
I find many genres easier to jump into than pokemon.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15869684 >breed Pokémon. >use Pokégen to set the IVs to 31. gg Gamefreak, see you next gen.
Anonymous
>>15871194 Time is the only advantage Pokegenners have over people who breed in-game. Are they missing out by hacking 'mons? Maybe. Does it ruin trading with other players? Probably. Should everyone be butthurt that someone is playing the game the way they don't like to? Absolutely not.
>>15871265 Yes, that is what I meant. Sorry for the confusion.
Anonymous
>>15871282 So you're just going to blindly believe Gamefreak can tell Perfectly Legal Gen'd Mon from real Mon?
Might I interest you in some new clothing? Only truly smart people can see and touch them.
Anonymous
>>15871329 HURR IM HACKING POKEMON BANK DUH BYTES R TEH SAME
Anonymous
>>15871319 alrighty then...
>>15871157 We're not talking about simulators.
We're talking about using pokegen as a shortcut int eh actual games.
We're talking about cheating to reach a competitive level against legitimate players.
Simulators are just there to do what they say. They simulate a scenario where everyone already has exactly what they want from breeding and then move forward from there.
Anonymous
>>15871308 still no shinies with perfect IVs
Anonymous
>>15871329 It doesn't matter because all pokemon traded up through pokebank won't be usable online, legit or not. Game Freak don't have to be able to detect which ones are legit, they just need to ensure that mons obtained from this gen onwards are the only ones that can be used online.
Ader 0344 9703 0124 (Krabby, Wartortle, Azumarill)
Ader 0344 9703 0124 (Krabby, Wartortle, Azumarill) Tue 12 Nov 2013 20:58:24 No. 15871401 Report >>15871319 if this was a single player game, i would agree with you
but its not, so i dont think this "i play the game the way i want cause it affects nobody" argument holds
also this
>>15871376 if you want to play with perfect mons and dont want to play the game to get them, just go to simulators and stay there
Anonymous
>>15871391 I don't need my Pokémon to be shiny.
Anonymous
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>>15871282 Not him, but this answer of yours really doesn't explain anything. If a pokegenned mon is perfectly identical to a bred one, there's no way they'll be able to block it, sadly
Anonymous
>>15870649 i don't even know what to say, im using them in the real game too.
>>15870670 it's irrelevant how you were supposed to come up with a team. the meta is the team, not the way that team came to be. im playing the same game as you, it just took me less time and less effort.
>>15870708 why should i? you haven't given me a reason to NOT spend so much time on this. gamefreak's intentions don't matter, i want to play the meta of their game.
Anonymous
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>Pokegen various dittos with competitive natures and 6iv across the board >Pokegen the pokemon I want to use with 6IV across the board >Transfer and breed them for preferred 5IV pokemon.
Anonymous
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>>15871430 That's pretty much the only problem with pokegen I have. That every fucking kid has hundreds of shinies of everything
Anonymous
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>>15870002 >The argument that people hacking the game ruins it for everyone else is some of the most retarded shit I've seen on this board. SOME of the most retarded shit you've seen on this board? How about just a small portion of it?
I agree with what you're saying, but the people on this board are absolutely fucking stupid in general. This place was a shithole since the days of /tr/, and it's not likely to improve.
Anonymous
I get the arguments and complaints surrounding Pokegen and "legitimate" Pokemon. But we need to acknowledge that GF has no way to detect hacked Pokemon. There is very literally nothing for them to detect, that is not how data works.
Anonymous
>>15871401 I don't think it does affect anyone, is all. But I will agree to disagree.
>>15871397 I'm going to need a source on this. If it were true, why would they include backwards compatibility with Pokebank in the first place? Wouldn't it have saved time and money to have just not developed it? It defeats the point of the entire idea.
Anonymous
>Breeders get an unfair advantage over people using their in-game team >act like a bunch of entitled crybabies when the playing field is evened out
Anonymous
>>15871451 >the meta is the team, not the way that team came to be. This is an important fallacy you need to get past.
You are wrong.
Outright.
Breeding your team is part of how good your team is just like training determines how good any other sports team is.
If you're not putting in the effort required to play against people who do then you aren't putting in the effort to play at all.
Quit being an entitled little shit who wants the world at his fingertips just because work is hard.
If you put in work you get rewarded.
Welcome to life.
Anonymous
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>>15871079 I can skip that step. I can skip investing time. I can think about a team hard for 30 minutes and have it in my game in 10 more, instead of thinking of it for 30 minutes and having it ready in a week.
if you enjoy the breeding route then fine, i understand im putting in less effort than you for the same results.
Anonymous
I don't really get Pokegenners to be honest.
Anonymous
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>>15871478 That would make all legitimate breeders angry as fuck. Not that GameFreak ever listened to any community feedback iirc, walking pokemon being a major example.
I really really don't care anyway, i just want to trade my event legendaries and complete the goddamn pokedex like every other pokemon game, then wait for Z or the Hoenn remakes to be released and start all the shit again.
Anonymous
>>15871507 >why would they include backwards compatibility with Pokebank in the first place? So people can finish the pokedex, and you can still use them with people face to face, just not online. Also you can just breed most of them to create one that can be used online. Saying that PokeBank literally has no purpose if you can't use the mons online is pretty silly since you can still do everything in game with them.
Ader 0344 9703 0124 (Krabby, Wartortle, Azumarill)
Ader 0344 9703 0124 (Krabby, Wartortle, Azumarill) Tue 12 Nov 2013 21:07:58 No. 15871585 Report Quoted By:
>>15871523 please, enlighten us as how breeding can be compared as using a third party applic-
oh, right, you dont know what the hell you're talking about
Anonymous
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>>15871523 >breeders >entitled God damn you're retarded and I'm not even on a side.
Anonymous
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>>15871523 You realise that wanting something that other people work for without wanting to expend any of the effort to obtain it is pretty much the definition of 'entitled', right?
Anonymous
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>>15871560 Not to justify cheating, but you're not even playing the game when you make a team. If team building required actual grinding, fighting someone or going on some kind of quest, then that's fine. Breeding is terrible because it's pressing left and right on your bicycle. I'm not playing Pokemon at that point, I might as well be playing some browser mouse clicking game.
Breeding should actually be something worth doing. Until they change it to something that's actually engaging or remotely fun, I am not going to bother.
For the record, I don't even play competitively. Partially because the requirements involve either cheating or a massive waste of time.
Anonymous
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>>15871523 >be a fat faggot retard with no money >other people have jobs to get money I dun like doing anything GIB WELFARE PL0X
Anonymous
Breeding is a major part of the games huh?
I always thought it was something else.
GFs intentions are like Bethesdas they are well meaning but ultimately clueless on how it affects everyone.
And shit like this
>>15871397 only validates hacking MORE not less.
>>15871524 But that's also wrong.
Comparing a fucking pokemon game to real life only opens up more issues.
As people will get ahead of you no matter how hard you worked. Working a fine desk job until you reach the top can be comepletly over turned by someone who circumvented the entire system because he knew exactly how it worked and exploited it.
Because real life hurts. Even when you play fair.
>>15871560 Monster hunter doesn't compare because you have to do one thing in order to play the game. Beat the living shit out of monsters and turn their carcass into armor. Battleing monsters is part of the fun, the loot is the reward.
Pokemon seems to function the opposite to this. Fuck around with components THEN fight monsters. Some find fighting more fun than component fuckery because it takes forever.
Anonymous
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>>15871571 Again, I'm going to need a source on this. It just seems so counter-productive to what GameFreak's been doing all along.
I was planning on buying back old Pokemon games, Emerald/LeafGreen/SoulSilver and equipment to play them in hopes of transferring over Pokemon from those native regions as a novelty in Y. If it's true I can't use those Pokemon online, I'd be saving a fair amount of money not buying it. Anonymous
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>>15871368 when an action replay comes out for the 3ds this will be remarkably simple
Anonymous
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>>15871560 Monster Hunter isn't a competitive game where the main draw is playing against other people only after you have the best equipment possible.
Anonymous
>>15871672 >Beat the living shit out of monsters and turn their carcass into armor. Don't tell me that this shit doesn't get boring after hours of getting shit items over and over again because it does.
You eventually reach a point where you can take down a monster extremely quickly and the fun just dies.
Anonymous
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Genners just want to play on real cartridges because they don't want to face fierce, fair competition on simulators.
Anonymous
>tfw I can pokegen perfectly legal pokes that's impossible to tell if it's hacked or legit https://www.pokecheck.org/?pk=6810225 Anonymous
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>>15871672 >only validates hacking MORE not less. To be honest it doesn't matter at all if it validates hacking if you can't actually do it, there is no way for your average joe to hack Pokemon on the 3DS for the forseeable future.
Anonymous
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>>15871524 >Breeding your team is part of how good your team is just like training determines how good any other sports team is. No, that's wrong. If my pokemon have the best stats possible I've circumvented training. And if bred pokemon are simply better, why complain? You'll beat me every time.
>If you're not putting in the effort required to play against people who do then you aren't putting in the effort to play at all. I've said this a couple of times: I've made two teams already. 12 pokemon I bred and waited for perfect IVs. They're solid teams and I'll use them. But it'll be easier with Pokegen and I'm looking forward to it.
Anonymous
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>>15871746 >https://www.pokecheck.org/?pk=6810225 >RNG abused egg on seed cc0c03a8. BANNED FROM POKEBANK, BAIL DENIED
Anonymous
>>15871746 >31 in special attack Why?
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15869684 What if they reset their EVs and randomize their IVs? That'd be pretty cool.
Anonymous
>>15871804 I'll raise you this.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15871839 >gives you an edge against other people Doesn't that exactly prove the point?
Lucky 0817-3858-4075 (Ghost Lampent, Phantump, Drifblim)
Lucky 0817-3858-4075 (Ghost Lampent, Phantump, Drifblim) Tue 12 Nov 2013 21:23:13 No. 15871930 Report >>15871718 eventually the monsters get harder/complex attacks.
It's more fun playing with others.
Anonymous
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>>15871893 Wow. That was actually really fast. Legitimately impressed, I actually thought it was harder than that to make good genned pokemon.
Anonymous
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>>15871823 Would screw over breeders. But if Breeders have just ANY sign of intelligence I hope they'll deal with it and just breed again instead of complaining and wanting to allow pokegen'd Pokemon because that's what they want after all
Anonymous
>>15871893 Replied to wrong post, oops. Meant to reply to this one
>>15871886 Anonymous
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>>15871930 Once you reach G rank it gets boring as shit.
Anonymous
>abloo abloo Pokegenners don't like fun because riding a bike for hours on end is fuuuun >abloo abloo Pokegenners are "ruining the metagame for everyone" despite the fact that they're not affecting anything at aaaalll >abloo abloo Pokegenners are so entitled despite us being the ones exhibiting such a drastic extent of entitled behavior RIGHT NOW that we could rival the average /v/ posterrrr >waaaaaaaaahhhhh
Anonymous
>>15871975 Takes less than a min to gen a perfectly legal poke.
Anonymous
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>>15870196 If you don't want to put up with the biking and RNG, then maybe you should stick to the battle simulators.
Anonymous
Ader 0344 9703 0124 (Krabby, Wartortle, Azumarill)
Ader 0344 9703 0124 (Krabby, Wartortle, Azumarill) Tue 12 Nov 2013 21:27:57 No. 15872053 Report >>15872010 then why are you here?
it sure looks like we touched a nerve there
Anonymous
>>15872010 Typical genner everybody.
No argument whatsoever and filled to the brim with mad.
Anonymous
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>>15872018 Hmm, good to know. Never really got into it in gen 5, but I may play around with it now in preparation for bank.
Anonymous
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>smogonfags
Anonymous
>>15871224 This is why those faggots hate gen. All the shit they horde becomes useless and they have no leverage when everyone can get it. Fitting. Can't wait for next month.
Anonymous
>pokemon is the only community that has people that defend
Anonymous
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>>15872062 >genner >>15872010 >breeder >>15871368 Both sides have retards. Not just one.
Anonymous
>>15872077 To be fair, the trading scene is much more fun when people actually have stuff of value to trade around. While pokegen is really good for skipping all the boring parts of breeding, the one thing it really destroys is the entire trading aspect of the game, which many people enjoy quite a bit. (Shinys and max IV pokemon now worthless, etc.)
Anonymous
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>>15872042 Yeah. You. That's kind of the point.
>>15872053 That's cute. If your nerves weren't touched to start with, you wouldn't be here posting and whining over another person's hobby that doesn't personally affect you in any way.
Anonymous
I'm going to use Pokegen.
Anonymous
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>>15872149 You're a faggot.
Deal with it
Anonymous
>>15872149 >No pokegen for gen 6 >Pokemon Bank blocks your shit from being transferred what do
Anonymous
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>>15872091 Because it's the only popular game with a competitive component that requires hours of grinding to participate in the online play properly. Actually, you find the same thing in the Dark Souls community, where people argue whether or not it's legitimate to generate a build and equipment, or whether or not people should have to run through the entire game to gather the materials and souls necessary to make their character. The debate is similarly split there.
Anonymous
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>>15872136 >the one thing it really destroys is the entire trading aspect of the game And things like the friend safari.
In fact, it pretty much destroys everything that isn't battling.
Anonymous
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oh my fuck, you guys.
Anonymous
>>15872180 But that's not going to happen.
Eat shit.
Anonymous
Breedfags have no response to this image.
Anonymous
>>15872136 The ideal solution would be for GameFreak to include a 'rental' option similar to the stadium games. Players can customize battling teams with IVs, abilities, natures, moves and etc to use for online play. That way people only interested in the competitive part of the game would have no reason to gen Pokemon for cart play.
Anonymous
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>>15870318 They don't seem to care that much, as long as their hack detection doesn't pick it up. Even if it is against the rules.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12206225/sejun.txt Anonymous
>>15872222 tl;dr
You're still cheating at a game anyway.
Anonymous
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>>15872235 This, please make a free battle section where a person can test pokemon teams and whatnot.
Then these faggots would stfu
Anonymous
>tfw contacted them and got generic response back >implying they give a fuck either way
Anonymous
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>>15872062 >filled to the brim with mad I couldn't detect any real anger in his post, honestly. At least not the same amount of anger anti-genners have been spouting recently.
Anonymous
>>15872283 Who cares, it's just a video game?
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>>15871478 I think they included knot to give breeders and newcomers an easier time to raise pokes. Delayed bank in order for people to breed before the flood comes as they have no way to stop it aside from blatantly hacked shit like impossible moves.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>15872222 That's not even an argument, how the fuck is it relevant?
Anonymous
>>15872301 Exactly.
Why do you have to cheat at a video game when they're all just a timesink anyway?
Kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it.
Anonymous
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>>15872222 >mfw this is acutally more boring and complex to do than current breeding >but pokegen is the s-s-short fun way! We shodyfags like it easy
Anonymous
>>15872283 I'm saving time.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15872336 Because the point is to have fun, and I'd like to get past the part that isn't fun.
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It makes me laugh so hard at the breeder fags in this thread. So mad just because they don't get any recognition for all their hard work.
Anonymous
>>15872222 You could just skip the IV search because the IV and PIDs are independent of each other i gen V.
The instructions about dream world event pokemon is wrong becuase seed != PID
Anonymous
>>15872343 Only to waste it battling for hours.
Anonymous
>>15872136 Breeding for some reason gives a pokemon value.
Pokegen to many seem to remove the value of perfectly bred/shiny pokemon.
But to anyone who pokegens they find breeding as a whole has no value.
It doesn't help that GF nerfed the amount of time going into breeding in general. So more people are getting into breeding. But even then those only got into it because they have no other method of getting into competitive via not simulator.
>>15872283 Breeding? Yes it is cheating.
Battling? No it is not. .
Anonymous
>>15872348 >mfw it will never Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>15872359 Battling takes skill.
Breeding does not.
Anonymous
>>15872368 >mfw there will never be any hacked pokemon past gen 5 Anonymous
>>15872393 Things I enjoy.
Anonymous
>>15872405 That's an opinion not a definition.
Anonymous
>>15872353 I've used the method to get shinies, and pokegen can't create a shiny if the PID doesn't allow it
Therefore, it must be the PID. Notice that the maximum value it creates is few enough digits that it can reliably fit in the PID field before and after conversion every single time.
Anonymous
>>15872365 >So more people are getting into breeding. But even then those only got into it because they have no other method of getting into competitive via not simulator. How is this bad? Now that I don't have pokegen I been breeding my mons and I like it, I will keep them anyway
and use among the pokegened ones If GF really wanted to stop cheaters they wouldn't allow any pokemon previous to gen VI to pass.
Anonymous
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>>15872432 You asked for his definition of fun
Anonymous
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>>15872432 : someone or something that is amusing or enjoyable : an enjoyable experience or person
: an enjoyable or amusing time
Now shut up
Anonymous
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>>15872432 Go look in a dictionary.
Anonymous
>>15872432 Every dictionary ever defines fun as enjoyment. You're a fucking idiot.
Anonymous
I don't have a problem with Pokegen users, but all of the ones who make shitty threads, and talk shit on the people who breed come across as this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uhYm8nLdb0 That's when I have a problem. Don't try to justify or debate it, you're already cheating, who cares what people who breed think? You can't have your cake and eat it too, they're just going to think less of you regardless. If you don't care about integrity of Pokemon and other things breeders say, then you shouldn't care to debate to begin with. Use your Pokegen, keep it to yourself, and don't be a faggot.
Anonymous
>>15872442 Maybe I'm wrong then since I don't search for the PID that way.
Anonymous
>>15872448 People hated not being able to transfer pokemon to gen 3. Imagine the response if the reason they couldn't transfer was intentional instead of just outright not being possible.
Anonymous
>>15872474 But what is enjoyment anon? Anonymous
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>>15872487 Some of the breeders are just as bad, though. Not the exact same arguments, but they're bashing genners with the same amount of retardation.
Anonymous
>>15872519 Like I said, pokegen cannot check the flag for shinyness if the PID does not allow shinyness given the trainer ID and SID. Since I put my trainer ID and SID into RNG reporter, it generated a PID that allowed for a shiny.
Of course, Nintendo's hack detection is so bad that there's probably plenty of ways to make it work.
Anonymous
>>15872541 Your mother's mouth on my dick.
Anonymous
>>15872528 I would understand it for event Pokemon, hell even "muh shinies" but I don't really give a crap about other peoples "bros".
Besides, breeding faggots should see it as something for a greater good, that would be what they wanted: a game free of hacks.
Anonymous
Anonymous
Want to skip all the breeding?
Anonymous
>>15872563 How can you comment on Nintendo's hack detection when Pokemon Bank hasn't been released yet.
How do you know it isn't better at detecting hacks that any other program out there that checks for legitimacy? You dont.
Anonymous
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>>15872617 did you miss the thing in this thread about the guy with the magmar
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>>15872448 What I meant to say was that it seems GF realizes that putting that much work into just making decent mons is fucking stupid.
>>15872487 Why thanks I think less of you to. It doesn't matter if you breed or hack I don't care. Just stop being a faggot.
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>>15872611 Why would I even need to trade?
But people will still do it anyway.
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>>15872403 >Mfw it happens Anonymous
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>>15872563 I know that, but when I search for the PID I don't do it the way you do it. I just look it up on the front menu.
Anonymous
>>15872611 This, the reason I'm against genning is because this shit will happen.
If they did find something that blocked pokegen the tears would be delicious. You fuckers deserve it.
Anonymous
>>15872611 I can agree with this. I'm not even sure why people would trade hacked Pokemon. If you want something, why wouldn't you just hack it yourself?
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>>15872588 That argument literally comes down to "You're having fun the wrong way."
And a large portion of the people who buy the games don't breed or gen, these are the people who will be pissed.
Anonymous
>>15872666 I don't think most people generate Pokemon with the intent of trading them.
Anonymous
>>15872666 Your tears will be even more delicious when the hacked pokes start flowing in
Anonymous
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>>15872676 To let others know the wonders of flying on a Caterpie
Anonymous
Serious question:
Anonymous
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>>15872666 Satan trips confirms Pokegen is for faggots and it won't work in Gen 6.
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>>15872711 I will trade shiny ralts with hyper voice over wonder trade by the boatload
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>>15872709 I do just to fuck with breederfags until they stop trading and limit their trading partners which I also infiltrate to trade them hacked pokes
Anonymous
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>>15872666 What is even the point of trading when you can just Gen Pokemon yourself?
People only do it to fuck with you guys and get a reaction out of you.
Anonymous
Why are all you anti-Pokegen retards focusing on the totally non-existent effect it has on battling (now that breeding 5-flawless is so simple and relatively speedy) rather than focusing on the very real effect it has on Trading?
Anonymous
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>>15872727 >what would stop the same people that made pokegen available for gen IV/V to do it again from scratch for gen VI? I don't know what it is, but they look pretty stuck at it now, are they even trying?
Anonymous
>>15872766 >Why trade when anything you get might have been hacked and you have no way to tell? You are extremely paranoid. If you cant tell it was hacked, then what difference does it make?
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>>15872766 Trading is always brought up but it gets ignored because both sides are retards.
Anonymous
>>15872857 some of us are really autismal about making sure the PIDs are 100% correct and such
Flax 0946-2346-6214 Emolga, Stunfisk, Galvantula
Flax 0946-2346-6214 Emolga, Stunfisk, Galvantula Tue 12 Nov 2013 22:01:35 No. 15872950 Report >>15872857 Ask yourself this: who the fuck would trade pokemon when he has access to pokegen?
You people should step the fuck back and look at the big picture: it's a freaking video game and not your choice of religion. Have fun, don't give a hoot what other people do and when you notice the autism taking over, take a freaking break.
Anonymous
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>>15872893 But all trade-able Pokemon hacked or not have valid PIDs.
Anonymous
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>>15872893 The PIDs will be perfectly fine since those types of things are being checked now. Calm your tits.
Anonymous
>>15872950 Thing is though, someone is going to make pokemon with impossible sets and abilities and battle with them and eventually trade them.
Sure there are sensible people out there but it's still going to happen and ruin the fun for the rest of us.
Anonymous
>>15872857 Imagine someone you know asked you to take a package to a friend of theirs. You do it, not like it's a problem, right? Turns out you just took a box of heroin to someone who will sell it all to kids.
You may not have knowingly done anything wrong, but it would still feel wrong.
Anonymous
>>15873040 >someone is going to make pokemon with impossible sets and abilities and battle with them and eventually trade them And those are the types of things that would be incredibly easy to detect and ban.
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>>15873040 If impossible move sets doesn't pass Nintendo's checks in gen V, what makes you think they will pass Nintendo's checks in gen VI?
Anonymous
>>15871804 I actually breed because there's a sense of accomplishment afterwards, and there's a sense of satisfaction that you get when you breed a good team that you don't get from generating one.
Anonymous
>>15873091 And that's going to stop them from battling people over the PSS and wifi.
Anonymous
>>15873041 >receiving a hacked Pokemon is the same as trafficing drugs What in the fucking world am I reading here???
Anonymous
>>15873184 If Nintendo/GameFreak have a lick of sense then yes, it will.
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>>15872766 >>15872611 Thank goodness a legitimate argument.
Well there were legit reasons for not bothering with trading.
But know that wifi is a legitimate thing. It know will become an issue. As it could destroy the value some put into traded mons.
But most people who just gen legit mons never bother with trading of anykind anyway. (Barring wondertrading cause lol). But more than likely they have checks against impossible mons.
I think this gen will simply weed out impossibly broken hackmons. Legitimately genned mons will slip right on through like nothing happened.
Anonymous
Anyway, since we're on the topic, how would I generate the PID for a stationary legendary like Kyurem in Gen V? Same goes for Gen 3 and 4 too, I'd like to know if there's any tools that can do that.
Anonymous
>>15873226 >doing something I consider morally wrong is the same as doing something I consider morally wrong Analogies too complicated for you?
Morgan 2380 - 3760 - 3960 (Bibarel, Wartortle, Frogadier)
Morgan 2380 - 3760 - 3960 (Bibarel, Wartortle, Frogadier) Tue 12 Nov 2013 22:13:19 No. 15873302 Report >>15870196 So you must think steroids in professional sports is acceptable.
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>>15873265 And we know they don't.
Anonymous
>>15873302 Poor comparison. Hacked Pokemon don't cause health complications. If steroids had no health concerns then yes, I would say they were perfectly legitimate. They'd be exactly the same as any kind of other training supplement that athletes use.
Anonymous
>>15873299 HACKED POKEMON ARE SRS. MY GRANDPA DIED FROM ONE.
Anonymous
>>15873348 But roids are available to people with money
Pokegen is available to people with brain cells, so they are different
Anonymous
>>15873299 No one on /vp/ can into analogies.
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>>15873372 >Pokegen is available to people that are lazy ftfy
Anonymous
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>>15873299 You are comparing genned mons to drug trafficking.
And unless you can prove genned mons can cause health problems your comparison is invalid.
Try again.
Anonymous
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>>15873129 Long as you don't bitch about others not doing things your way, there's nothing wrong with that.
Anonymous
>>15873367 What would be the point of an analogy if the two things you compare had to be of the same magnitude?
Anonymous
>>15873374 There is nothing analogous about PokeGen and trafficking drugs other than the fact that you think they are both immoral. It was a TERRIBLE fucking analogy and you are a complete moron.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15873295 For stationary pokes get the RNG reporter program then follow the image. For the seed, just plug in w/e you want. IVs and the PID for gen 5 are independent so you don't need to look up the IVs when you're searching for the PID.
For gen 3/4 use pokgen's PID finder.
Anonymous
>>15873428 The two things generally have to be comparable at least, and have similar negative consequences, if on different scales.
Anonymous
>>15873428 >STUBBING YOUR TOE IS LIKE GETTING EATEN BY WOLVES See how blowing things out of proportion like that makes you look like a baby?
Anonymous
>>15873302 Except this isn't steriods. Or even close.
Imagine that everyone in the world can play baseball like a true Major League player.
That's what Pokegen is like.
Anonymous
Anonymous
Breeders release millions of pokemon, because they are deemed inferior. You know who also got rid of millions of things he deemed inferior? Hitler.
Anonymous
>>15873481 >sharing illegal Pokemon is like sharing illegal drugs >>15873493 >slightly injuring an extremity of your body is like being killed and consumed Anonymous
>>15873509 That's not even right either, since simply having the Pokemon doesn't mean you can necessarily play well.
A more apt comparison would be if everyone had the physique and stamina of a professional athlete.
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>>15873509 >Imagine that everyone in the world can play baseball like a true Major League player without putting in the "effort" that major league players do ftfy
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15873544 Genners are creating perfect pokemon. You know who else wanted a perfect race? Hitler
Justify that, nazis.
Anonymous
>>15873481 The point of this analogy is that I am unwittingly doing something I have moral problems with, I don't want to do something I have moral problems with, and therefore I don't want to do either of these things.
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>>15873544 Also farmers. And factory managers. And employers of any kind. Any business, really.
Anonymous
>>15873630 The same applies to breeders.
Anonymous
>>15873630 Genners are creating perfect Pokemon without causing unnecessary suffering by throwing undesired Pokemon into the wild to die.
You are.
Checkmate, PokeAtheists.
Anonymous
>>15870196 Poke'mon is literally the only fanbase I know that suffers with cheating this prevalent. Not even Dark Souls or Call of Duty players are so lazy they won't put in a dozen hours to compete with the top dogs. Jesus.
Anonymous
>>15873554 >sharing Pokemon is like sharing drugs with children You. Are. A. Moron.
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>>15873648 I think what everyone takes issue with is that it's a pretty dumb thing to be bothered by.
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>>15873666 It applies to everyone you retard.
That's my point.
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>>15873672 >Not even Dark Souls or Call of Duty players are so lazy they won't put in a dozen hours to compete with the top dogs That's completely false. A large portion of Dark Souls players hack in their equipment and levels. Though it's a smaller number because making your build in Dark Souls is actually kind of fun in some cases because it often involves actually playing the game and not running around in circles in Anor Londo.
Anonymous
>>15873669 Genners are creating perfect pokemon and leaving the pokemon they traveled with to rot inside a box with no food or water until the end of time.
Anonymous
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>>15873683 Oh, shit. I only read the post with the green text that said "trafficking drugs". Well yeah, then that analogy was terrible.
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>>15873470 Thank you very much!
Anonymous
>>15873783 Breeders are causing genetic weaknesses to become more apparent by their incessant inbreeding. (GameFreak, please implement lineage in gen 7 to punish players for inbreeding.) And doing the exact same thing. As is every player of Pokemon.
Anonymous
>>15873509 >>15873563 Neither of these analogies work very well. If you lack the knowledge to play baseball it won't matter if you have the power to play well.
Knowing the rules and how to play is what also matters.
Like having the best equipment in Dark Souls it doesn't matter how badass the equipment is. You still will do jack shit as it all comes down to you the player.
Anonymous
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>>15873859 >Neither of these analogies work very well. If you lack the knowledge to play baseball it won't matter if you have the power to play well. Which is exactly what I said in this post:
>>15873563 Anonymous
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>>15873846 You're out.
I use my ingame team for wild encounters and such everything else just goes in the battle box or the party box and are switched out accordingly. Anonymous
>>15873783 >Implying my Bros aren't living a completely satisfying retirement in the Box that gives them all the mead and lamb/salad they coult want. Safely knowing that their lineage lives on. Anonymous
>>15873931 They're being stored as data. They're not just data in the game itself, they're actually being stored as data within the in-game world. It's kind of meta actually.
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>>15873982 You seem to be implying that it means that they are forced into being a certain way.
Anyone's headcanon can work here.
Anonymous
>>15873783 >leaving the pokemon they traveled with to rot inside a box The breeders are worse, because not only do they do that, but they also have an unfair advantage over the people who DO want to use those pokemon, forcing people to abandon their in-game team if they want to stand a chance.
Anonymous
>>15874029 This applies to genners too try again.
Anonymous
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>>15874029 What are you, a Karenfag?
If there's one thing that Genners and Breeders can agree on, it's that scum like you are the worst.
Anonymous
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>>15874063 Couldn't they just fudge with the pokemons IVs?
Anonymous
>>15870404 So just POKEGEN THEM!
Anonymous
>>15872292 Wow you're actually kind of a faggot there kid.
Anonymous
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>>15874530 >>15874447 Did you not read or are you just retarded?
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>>15870908 Which is EXACTLY why why people shouldn't be putting genned mons on the gts. This reason exactly.
Anonymous
>>15871022 MAn, I really want to beat MArio, but I can't be bothered to collect those stars and shit. Game genie, away!
Man, I want to play CoD online, but prestiging a profile takes more than ten minutes. WOE IS ME.
Anonymous
>>15871079 This motherfucker gets it.
>>15871190 >>15871257 >>15871280 Seriously, it's not like they're made of code, of random strings of numbers that may or may not contain flags we're unaware of! They can't stop SHIT, right guys?
Anonymous
>>15875024 >Seriously, it's not like they're made of code, of random strings of numbers that may or may not contain flags we're unaware of! They can't stop SHIT, right guys? It's generally a wise idea not to speak about things you don't understand.
Anonymous
>>15874829 I guess an analogy like that would work...
Oh wait no it doesn't!
Mario is a platformer a game based around it. Cheating past the harder levels to get to the items doesn't matter.
This means that battling is the item and the all the work going into it is the equivalent of breeding. It doesn't work like that. To me battleing is the meat of the game in pokemon the ultimate endgame. Mario (a platformer) has comepletely different endgame goals than an rpg centered around battleing with other people.
I see the 'useless as shit item' as breeding you battling. Back to square one.
Anonymous
>>15875024 Except the file format for Pokemon in generations 5 and older have been extensively documented. You don't know what you're talking about.
Anonymous
>>15875024 >may or may not contain flags we're unaware of! It would not matter. You would then just change the values as needed.
Anonymous
>>15875127 ...which is why I included the COD sentence, you impotent clod. It's like you can't even fucking read.
Anonymous
>>15875094 >>15875164 >>15875130 Kick Ass! Then show me what each 1 and 0 means, point by point, and elaborate how gamefreak and nintendo couldn't possibly have hidden anything in their coding.
Seriously, you guys seem to get it, explain why nothing could possibly be hidden in their code.
Explain, or shut the fuck up.
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>>15875164 Added point, if it was that easy, we'd have a game genie for 3ds by now. At least that's my 2 cents.
Anonymous
>>15875292 Never bothered because I do not play COD faggot.
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>>15875357 If they did, hacked 'mons would have been detected in Gen V.
Hint: They weren't
Checkmate, faggot
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15875432 Neither do I, double faggot. I only included it because I knew you'd be all 'HUR DUR COMPETITIVE FUN TIMES' about the whole thing. What an ass.
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>>15874477 >being this mad Anonymous
>>15875511 Oh my god you moronic twit.
>0x04-0x05 Unused >0x43 Unused >0x44-0x47 Unknown >0x5E Unused >0x64-0x67 Unused >0x89 Unknown - Flags - Max Value 0xF0 >0x8A-0x8B Unknown So many unknown and unused bits in the code, BUT YEP WE TOTALLY KNOW WHAT EVERY BYTE AND BIT MEANS, FO SURE.
Try harder, scrublet.
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>>15872766 We need more people like you on this board.
Anonymous
>>15875698 CoD I think has a completely different set of issues and I personally was never really into the fps scene.
I only learn about things that interest me and pokemon battles are to me kind of fun. And I like experimenting with builds and teams and such. Pokegen just allows me to do that quickly and easily while enjoying the graphical goodness.
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>>15871524 >Your team should only be as how much time you wasted rocking the dpad and getting slapped around by the rng Anonymous
>>15875927 And that's great and all, but if you then GTS your hacked pokemon, or you use them in official tournaments against patient people who put in the hours, I want to stab you.
They're totally fine for personal play though.
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>>15875970 >official tournaments Completely and totally dominated by genners. Does it upset you that they are simply better battlers than you?
Anonymous
>ITT: Breederfags trying to find excuses to justify their +600 hours spent over tedious partof the game
Anonymous
>>15875853 And all of those are the same in every Pokemon except the Flags. Again, it would it matter, WE CAN EDIT THEM.
If GF had some sort of magic way to detect hacked Pokemon, why leave it until gen 6 when they started doing checks in Gen V?
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>>15872766 Totally true. Trading these awful clones is the real problem, not the online battles.
The first wrecks a LOT of peoples games if discovered, but battles? That only wrecks one copy, and it was the copy of a lazy asshole.
That's why it's fine to gen mons for battle (but why not just use a simulator) but trading is NOT okay. It could have consequences.
At the very least it devalues real shinies and multi-IV pokemon, just like fake currency devalues real currency.
in b4 'HUR MONS AINT REAL MONEY'
Anonymous
>>15875970 But I hate GTS period and I think it has issues other than just hack mons.
I doubt they would allow something ridiculous or stupid be traded.
And tourneys are entirely about skill and mindgames. On an even battlefield where every mon is absolutely perfect the only flaw is the trainer using them.
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Holy shit all you fags in this thread have no idea what you're talking about
Anonymous
>>15876048 Ignoring that first line (because that tedious task is a puzzle that will most likely corrupt edited mons for a while if I'm right) you actually have a very valid second statement.
Personally, I think they tested things out with gen V, but realized that gamesharked copies would simply pull down any firewalls they put up. It all runs off the DS, after all, and that whole console is open to gameshark abuse.
I think that's why they made poke'bank. It's THEIR servers, and it's connected to us (via pay and our cartridges) so they can do more than stop the bad eggs, they can stop US. At least I hope so.
Anonymous
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>>15876043 welcome to 4chan
Anonymous
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>>15876210 >Personally, I think they tested things out with gen V, but realized that gamesharked copies would simply pull down any firewalls they put up. It all runs off the DS, after all, and that whole console is open to gameshark abuse. You have no fucking idea what you're talking about, the hack checks were always server-side in Gen V.
And Gameshark isn't a thing anymore.
Anonymous
>>15876100 I'm really hoping you're right and they do stop people from wondertrading genned mons. That's really all I care about.
The tournament thing is just a pride issue, because only people who really love the game should be able to compete, IMO, not people who take shortcuts.
Anonymous
>>15870893 Yeah, like how I couldn't send my Spikey-Eared Pichu to Black2
Anonymous
>>15876285 That's totally different
There wasn't data for a Spiky Eared Pichu in Black2
Anonymous
>>15876311 There shouldn't be data for faggots in XY
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>>15876311 Which is why the game declared it illegitimate.
Anonymous
>>15876278 If it's a pride issue then that unfortunately is a personal problem. And cannot be helped in any way shape or form save for dealing with the fact that that person is just better.
Genned mons or not.
Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite)
Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite) Tue 12 Nov 2013 23:57:50 No. 15876649 Report Quoted By:
>>15876510 Trust me, I've got NO problems losing to people who put in the hours, who lovingly raised their pokemon the right way.
But yeah, it really rubs me the wrong way to see someone who walked in with a genned team made that morning and beat up little kids who've played for months.
I know, I can't stop it, but it's shitty and it just isn't right in my eyes. Sorry.
Anonymous
>>15875292 But the COD analogy doesn't make sense either. It's not that we want to prestige, its that we want to actually compete. Imagine having to beat a 20-hour campaign before you actually play. We are skipping that campaign and going straight into multiplayer.
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>>15876210 But we'll eventually crack the 3DS' encryption and get a 3DS action replay or some equivalent, pokegen in glorious gen VI.
and it's an extra five minutes per pokemon to make them appear legit. it's pretty easy to modify the extra bytes so that gamefreak or even another pokegenner wouldn't be able to tell if they were hacked or not.
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>>15876381 there isn't
so you must be a hacker Anonymous
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>Breeding >Pokegen
Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite)
Troa 4098-2818-1284 (Pancham, Hariyama, Meditite) Wed 13 Nov 2013 02:02:16 No. 15880680 Report Quoted By:
>>15878500 But it's EXACTLY the same. In order to compete against the best, you HAVE to be prestige. Otherwise, you don't have all the perks and shit.
Likewise, in order to compete against the best in poke'mon, you need the best IVs and egg moves, so you work for it. You grind. You earn it.
Or you just fucking cheat because you're too lazy to play the game.
