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I use an evasion team

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 10:45:57 No.15921332 View View Reply Original Report

It's technically a Sandstorm team, I guess, but I designed it with evasion in mind.

Sand Veil Garchomp, Double Team on practically everyone... it's pretty hilarious, especially when I have voice chat on. I don't always win, but when I do -- without fail -- someone screams about "Smogon" and "that's banned". I don't see Nintendo banning me, /vp/, so why should I stop?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 10:49:32 No.15921362 Report

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If it works, you shouldn't stop. Just remember how much of a colossal asshole it makes you.

Slapbat 4682-8665-8782 (Ferroseed Skarmory Bronzong)

Slapbat 4682-8665-8782 (Ferroseed Skarmory Bronzong) Thu 14 Nov 2013 10:49:43 No.15921364 Report

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sand veil garchomp isn't even banned right now though

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 10:50:13 No.15921367 Report

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Nintendo don't care about evasion. It's used quite a lot in VGC

However, nobody good in VGC has ever used it. Nobody who has ever ranked highly. Nobody who has ever won. You know why? Not because good players have honour, but because whether or not you win with it has nothing to do with your skill. Bad players will win ~50% of the time with haxy teams, and good players will win 50% of the time with haxy teams. And to win a tournament you need to win a hell of a lot more than that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 10:50:46 No.15921371 Report

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Smogonfag tears are delicious. All they know how to do is use the same 4 moves and counter the same 4 pokemon so when they see something unusual they don't know what to do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 10:51:18 No.15921378 Report

Quoted By: >>15921388

>>15921332
Other than evasion always being annoying? Nothing. You know the answer already. You're just baiting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 10:53:01 No.15921388 Report

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>>15921378
Not right now I'm not. I yanked it earlier in the afternoon, though.

Nyan

Nyan Thu 14 Nov 2013 10:53:12 No.15921392 Report

Quoted By: >>15921405

Guess who packs sure hit moves just for assholes like you.

This nigga.Because I know I'll come across you someday.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 10:53:13 No.15921393 Report

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>>15921332
I was gonna make a dick team too. Any suggestions? I was thinking subsitute + evasion move would do it - abilities like sand veil and items like brightpowder are icing on the cake (though I wouldn't waste a precious item slot for powder).

Anyway, evasion is part of this game. Using a precious turn to use double-team is a serious investment, and I feel that it's wrong that it's been banned from "competitive" pokemon.

Also, that garchomp in your OP is going to fall without the use of its wings to fly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 10:54:25 No.15921405 Report

Quoted By: >>15921467

>>15921392
I eagerly await your tears, bitch nigga.

Nyan

Nyan Thu 14 Nov 2013 11:01:30 No.15921467 Report

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>>15921405

You'll be sucking on some No Guard Machamp cock... just like everybody else here wish they could.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 11:03:32 No.15921479 Report

Quoted By: >>15921552 >>15921581

>>15921393
While I agree that evasion has some use in competitive, i understand the ban. They didn't have the ban before, they only banned it when everyone was using it and the entire game became RNG focused. Competitive players tend to hate anything luck based, and so try to cut back on RNG as much as they can. Yeah, you can complain about Smogon having "same teams", etc. However, without the bans it's basically everything people hate about Smogon anyway +evasion and spore everywhere. It's as much of a train wreck as it sounds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 11:05:38 No.15921499 Report

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What you use OP?

Heliolisk/Garchomp/Cacturne/?/?/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 11:06:13 No.15921507 Report

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Oh my fucking god, OP, that's not how you play the fucking game.
You're suppose to give Garchomp the item Brightpowder for better effect.
Gawd.

Nyan

Nyan Thu 14 Nov 2013 11:11:46 No.15921552 Report

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>>15921479

People don't avoid evasion moves thanks to Smogon.

They do it because they know it's a bit of a dick thing to do and people know they wouldn't like other people doing that to them.

If anything the only thing Smogon does is keep the faggots who WOULD use Double Team on everything and brainwash them into using Stealth Rocks instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 11:15:17 No.15921581 Report

Quoted By: >>15921644 >>15921823

>>15921479
I feel that dice rolls and random numbers are always part of this game. Well, rather, they are. It's easy to forget, but Pokemon IS originally an RPG, which stats, experience and calculations.
Random numbers will always exist, even without evasion. I understand that removing evasion removes an aspect of these hated random numbers - but you're also removing part of a potential metagame.

If I could explain myself - Fairies, for example, are affecting the metagame. Now, players are carrying steel and poison attacks - I mean, we're seeing people breeding Gible with Iron Head, of all things! And it's only to compensate for these new fairies. Instead of running fire fang, draco meteor or whatever, players are sacrificing a precious moveslot for a fairy check.

Moving on. Say that evasion was allowed - obviously, not every derp with double team can use it effectively. Over time, people will pick out effective double teamers, just as people have noticed azumarill and Mawile to be excellent pokemon with their fairy attacks.
In that vein, people will also learn of pokemon who best counter these double teamers. They might start carrying Aerial Ace and other moves that would never have been carried otherwise - sound familiar? It's similar to why people are carrying Iron Head on Garchomp.

That's my two cents. Evasion is a potential influence in this game.

Nyan

Nyan Thu 14 Nov 2013 11:24:42 No.15921644 Report

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>>15921581

But if you ask me, Aura Sphere and Aerial Ace don't have the required strength to take down some Pokémon without repetitive use while they'd still be able to hit you with a STAB Earthquake with their massive Attack stat.

Sure, one Double Team doesn't mean 100 accuracy moves drop to 50 accuracy but there are people with terrible luck who depend more on other things like excellent prediction and what not.

I still think that even with Roar... Hone Claws... No Guard... Aerial Ace and Taunt... it just doesn't seem like enough to combat Evasion, we're not really ready for Evasive Garchomp or Evasive Avalugg.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 11:40:24 No.15921823 Report

Quoted By: >>15921848

>>15921581
Keen eyes, no guard, technician scyther with aerial ace

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 11:42:11 No.15921848 Report

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>>15921823
Aura sphere is a 90 bp move. used on lucario or togekiss, it's going to do a decent amount of damage. Same with technician aerial ace.

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