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Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:36:39 No.15930973 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>15931057 >>15931327 >>15935638 >>15935929

/vp/. As someone who doesn't even have a 3DS to even play the new game, I have question.

It seems like Fairy types spell out OMG SUPER EFFECTIVE AGAINST DRAGONS ITS A FUCKING DRAGON KILLER OH GOD THE HORROR when I'm just like "dude. I've had fire attacks used against my sceptile when their levels matched and he still survived to whoop their ass."

Is Fairy overhyped or is it really a dragon instakiller?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:37:43 No.15930997 Report

Quoted By: >>15931108 >>15931150

Ice attacks are still the better dragon killers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:38:02 No.15931007 Report

Quoted By: >>15931030

you talk like a faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:38:52 No.15931030 Report

Quoted By: >>15931048

>>15931007
I'm not talking. I'm typing.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:39:25 No.15931044 Report

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>when their levels matched

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:39:35 No.15931048 Report

Quoted By: >>15931079

>>15931030
you type like a faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:40:01 No.15931057 Report

Quoted By: >>15931108

>>15930973

It does x2 damage against dragons

This isn't complicated

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:40:47 No.15931079 Report

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>>15931048
oook

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:40:56 No.15931080 Report

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Moonblast rekts everything thats dragon or dark type. its pretty hilarious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:42:04 No.15931108 Report

Quoted By: >>15931423

>>15931057
>>15930997
So its just overhyped shit. I was kind of growing tired of stuff like Sylveon raping some super strong dragon type just because it was a Fairy type. I understand it was just a joke but still it annoyed me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:42:28 No.15931116 Report

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You're using an example of a single grass pokemon taking a single attack to ask about a whole type
It's like every type, some of the pokemon with it use it better than others

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:42:29 No.15931117 Report

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omg yes fairy does SOOOOO much dmg to dragons its REDICILOUS. wow.
its SUPER EFFECTIVE o_o omg wow

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:43:36 No.15931150 Report

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>>15930997
Tell that to Hydreigon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:43:43 No.15931155 Report

Quoted By: >>15931193

It's the equivalent of ground vs electric basically

Fairy hits it super effective and is immune to dragon

Yes its overhyped but it's still pretty good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:45:10 No.15931193 Report

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>>15931155
Closer to Dark vs. Psychic due to their history. But yeah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:46:22 No.15931227 Report

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OP is probably talking about an in-game situation.

Fairies are alright.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:48:07 No.15931282 Report

Quoted By: >>15931335 >>15931383 >>15931427 >>15931672 >>15937383

I'm more interested on why they nerfed Steel hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:50:02 No.15931327 Report

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>>15930973
>Fairy is immune to dragon-type attacks
>Fairy is strong against fighting type, too
>Fairy is strong against dark type
>Sylveon and the like are specially defensive

I don't think the warrant an "oh god, Dragons are dead forever!" but they're definitely something dragons will really want to switch out on now. The kill-all for most dragons was Draco Meteor, and now that there's something that is IMMUNE to it on top of being super effective towards dragons, you'll want to switch out big-time.
Also, your Sceptile probably had better IVs/EVs/Stats than the same level fire type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:50:09 No.15931335 Report

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>>15931282
Blame Aegislash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:52:09 No.15931383 Report

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>>15931282

Over-centralizing as a defensive type

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:54:16 No.15931423 Report

Quoted By: >>15931590 >>15938779

>>15931108

It's not completely overhyped. After SR damage, +Natured Sylveon has a 100% chance to OHKO 4/0 neutral natured Dragonite, Salamence, Hydreigon, and Garchomp. Against Tyranitar, it's a guaranteed to two-hit.

Has to be under trick room, though, 'cause god damn that speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 21:54:20 No.15931427 Report

Quoted By: >>15931708 >>15934557 >>15937383

>>15931282
Balance I guess. What really bugs me is that the whole type re-alignment didn't need to happen. At least, not the way they did it. Dragon isn't a particularly powerful type, going by strenths and weaknesses. It dominates the meta-game because so many powerful pokemon are dragons. The addition of the fairy type is a kind of patch, not a fix for the underlying problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:00:25 No.15931590 Report

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>>15931423

Just adding. 47.27% chance to 2HKO 252/0 Assault Vest Tyranitar in the sand after stealth rocks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:02:21 No.15931664 Report

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There aren't that many great Fairy attacks, but the type isn't shit like Ice is, so it evens out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:02:51 No.15931672 Report

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>>15931282

If you ask me, it wasn't too bad, Steel is still good. I have no clue why they buffed Ghost so much though. It's not like it was even a bad type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:04:04 No.15931708 Report

Quoted By: >>15934557

>>15931427
If anything it made things worse.

Sure, it helps with dragons, but too many other types got fucked in the process of adding it.

If they wanted to deal with all the legends and pseudos, they should have just made legends and pseudos that weren't dragons.

Problem fucking solved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:07:48 No.15931796 Report

Quoted By: >>15931933

The biggest thing to worry about is non-fairy types with fairy moves. Switching into Gengar's Dazzling Gleam hurts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:12:48 No.15931933 Report

Quoted By: >>15932076

>>15931796
Does Gengar carrying a Poison move help with Fairy types? Shit, does Gengar even get a decent Poison move?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:15:25 No.15932005 Report

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>Predict dragon using dragon move
>Switch to fairy
>Use STAB super-effective fairy move

Most dragon-types aren't defensively-oriented, it's just as much the immunity as the super-effectiveness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:17:45 No.15932076 Report

Quoted By: >>15933895

>>15931933

Sludge Bomb/Wave

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 23:25:52 No.15933895 Report

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>>15932076
Is it worth carrying them? Or is it better to just go with standard Gengar sets?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 23:53:08 No.15934557 Report

Quoted By: >>15934705

>>15931427
>>15931708
You seem to be forgetting that Dragon type moves (aka outrage) were used for their HUGE amount of neutral damage coverage. The only thing that could resist that was steel so fire+ dragon covered almost everything you needed offensively if you didn't have a SE move They fucked up since fairy immunity stops the outrage lockbut for the most part having an actual check to dragon type moves defensively other than Steel was needed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 23:57:49 No.15934705 Report

Quoted By: >>15934831

>>15934557
And it remains that way because Fire+Dragon still gives you neutral coverage on everything but Heatran.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 23:59:56 No.15934774 Report

Quoted By: >>15935065

It's no different than Ground versus Electric. The latter is clearly put at a disadvantage, but it's not the end of the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 00:02:11 No.15934831 Report

Quoted By: >>15935153 >>15935184

>>15934705
And Azumarill possibly one of the most destructive priority sweepers ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 00:10:25 No.15935065 Report

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>>15934774
This, if not better because most electric types are fucked without a 2nd type STAB or T-Wave (which ground is immune to).
Dragons on the other have have plenty of options outside their dragon STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 00:13:48 No.15935153 Report

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>>15934831
Scizor does the job way better and plugs a lot more holes than Azumarill does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 00:14:38 No.15935184 Report

Quoted By: >>15935376

>>15934831
Wow. A grand total of TWO pokemon can wall Fire+Dragon. Besides, most pokes that can learn Fire+Dragon also have access to a third move that can take care of Azumarill. No, I agree that something needed to be done, but it's still just a small patch job. Garchomp, Salamence, Haxorus et al will continue to terrorize the metagame because they have such good stats regardless of something else. I would've preferred giving Poison a Dragon-resist and SE though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 00:21:32 No.15935376 Report

Quoted By: >>15935523 >>15935719

>>15935184
>Garchomp, Salamence, Haxorus et al
>Haxorus
>Actually thinks Haxorus has ever been a threat

And here back on Earth Haxorus has never been relevant, Salamance usage has actually been dropping way below what would have been previously OU. Only relevant one is Garchomp who is actually piss easy to check thanks to his severe 4 moveslot syndrome, shitloads of priority and Togekiss's existance.

The real threat right now is Mega Kangaskhan, that thing is ripping everything apart left and right, welcome to Gen 6.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 00:26:47 No.15935523 Report

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>>15935376
>Haxorus has never been relevant
>never dropped from OU
Okay buddy. Anyway the metagame is still in its infancy. Once the fairies are figured out everything will go back to normal. Maybe some guys will drop, but rest assured you'll still be seeing a lot of dragons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 00:30:59 No.15935638 Report

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>>15930973
Instead of Dragon Killer, I find fairy to be a better Fighting and Dark killer. Ice is still better on most dragon since 4x is better than 2x.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 00:34:26 No.15935719 Report

Quoted By: >>15935945 >>15935988

>>15935376
Haxorus might have a chance at sweeping now with Sticky Web support.

But I agree Mega Kangy and Mega Mawile are the 2 real threat now. I run Togekiss with Stomp/Bite Kangaskhan. Enjoy not being able to do anything ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 00:40:41 No.15935929 Report

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>>15930973
>that image
>mega scafty
>mega emolga

>mega excadrill

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 00:41:11 No.15935945 Report

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>>15935719
>mega mawile
>a threat
Jesus christ, just how fucking bad are you

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Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 00:42:41 No.15935988 Report

Quoted By: >>15937181

>>15935719
>mega mawile
>using togekiss

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:28:24 No.15937181 Report

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>>15935988
>using pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:31:43 No.15937259 Report

Quoted By: >>15937319 >>15937538

Consider the following:
>Fairy type now resists Ghost
>Fairy loses its resistance to Bug
>Fairy becomes weak to and resisted by Grass
>Ice now resists Grass

is the game balanced?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:34:16 No.15937319 Report

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>>15937259
>Ice now resists Grass

Should be "Ice now resists Fairy".

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:36:41 No.15937383 Report

Quoted By: >>15937492

>>15931282
>>15931427
Wait what

What type-alignment changes were made?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:40:58 No.15937492 Report

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>>15937383
Steel no longer resists Dark and Ghost

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:42:29 No.15937538 Report

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>>15937259
>Fairy type now resists Ghost
>Fairy loses its resistance to Bug and Dark
>Fairy becomes weak to and resisted by Grass
>Ice now resists Grass and Fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:43:11 No.15937556 Report

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Steel was really dominant, it's more that they over-buffed Ghost. (Which isn't even that bad, Mega Gengar just makes it seem that way. Also Aegislash)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 02:25:15 No.15938779 Report

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>>15931423
Okay.
How does Sylveon switch in to those Dragons if they aren't Choice-locked into D. Meteor or Button?
Because all of them are faster (Tyranitar too!), and will punish it severely with physical coverage. Except Hydreigon, usually, except it normally uses a LO set and will probably use Head Smash a lot this Gen.
And why the fuck is Dragonite ever attempting to switch in if SR is up?
Point is, Sylveon is not a counter, it's a check, and a rather poor one at that.
Should Hydreigon predict the switch, it can and will 2HKO with Head Smash, and with the appropriate move can do the same to every Fairy bar Xerneas and Azumarill, the latter of which is the only thing that counters the Tri-Dragon outside of Ubers. That's one more counter than it had last generation, though, so go Azumarill...

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