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Let's try to fix Weak Pokemons

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:00:59 No.15931607 View View Reply Original Report

Swift Fangs: Grants +1 Priority to any moves involving the use of fangs (Crunch, Bite, Elemental Fangs, Hyper/Super Fang, etc.)

Still Shit Tier?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:01:56 No.15931650 Report

Quoted By: >>15931817

I really dont like this trend of just giving shit pokemon priority to fix them up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:08:24 No.15931810 Report

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>>15931607
just give it tough claws and a speed boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:08:38 No.15931817 Report

Quoted By: >>15931968

>>15931650

A lot of people hate Stealth Rock, but they gotta deal with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:13:47 No.15931960 Report

Quoted By: >>15932020

>implying gale wings is a fix and not overkill

the only thing ratticate has going for it is speed. it's real issues are...everything else. if we look at other more successful pokemon with the same typing and similar stat distribution it becomes obvious that it's attack stat is just too low.

giving it a dream world ability that makes fang moves do a lot more damage would be preferable to lending them priority.

hidden ability - sharpened fangs
fang moves boost the users attack one stage

this probably wouldn't be enough to make it ou but it would pull it from nu to maybe ru.

otherwise it could get a mega with better stats.

HP-55
ATK -121 (^40)
DEF-60
SPA-50
SPD-55
SPE-107 (^10)

this would probably land ratticate in uu considering it has access to u-turn. ultimately though normal types make for better bulk than attackers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:14:05 No.15931968 Report

Quoted By: >>15932091

>>15931817
Stealth rock has such a broad pool of options to choose from to counter it/brush it off.

We may as well throw out the speed stat if we continue to give everything a priority buff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:15:30 No.15932009 Report

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How about a new ability?
Rabid, The pokemon enters with +1 Atk and +1 Speed but gets dealt double damage by liquid attacks (Most water/poison attacks)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:15:57 No.15932020 Report

Quoted By: >>15932211

>>15931960
But it's nowhere near as overpowered as gale wings. It just gives priority to biting moves, unlike priority to an entire type. Although priority elemental fangs sounds inciting as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:18:33 No.15932091 Report

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>>15931968
Stealth rock really has no reason to fucking exist and most people don't even carry counters to it at this point. Seriously, the most I ever see is people setting up their own and maybe an excadrill here and there.

A fucking move that arbitrary neuters 4 types is absolutely retarded. It was originally made to hit flying types who laughed at spikes but they decided it would be cool to have two great offensive types get destroyed in the process.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:22:27 No.15932211 Report

Quoted By: >>15932260

>>15932020

If anything it would make Raticate a niche Revenge Killer, specially against stuff like Dragonite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:24:09 No.15932260 Report

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>>15932211
Yeah, it had a good attack stat, it would be viable.

Unlike Talonflame, no access to SD and no fang move is as powerful as BB.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:25:39 No.15932294 Report

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Make it somehow resist more moves
Expand its movepool with at least a rock and a fighting move (brick break and stone edge come to mind)
Give it at least one more high-power stab move that's also got the bonus of being supereffective against multiple good types
Last, give it an evolution or held item that increases its stats, including a MASSIVE buff to attack

I think that should do the trick

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:27:25 No.15932337 Report

Quoted By: >>15934749 >>15934775

Vicious Bite - Super Fang now deals double damage.

Fixed.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:27:50 No.15932348 Report

Quoted By: >>15932621

>hurr let's just give everyone priority

And then no one had priority. The end.

Raticate's problem is its attack is too low to even be a sweeper, even with Guts. It's just gonna get revenged either way. Run Away is also useless and can be replaced.

Maybe give it some ability that allows it to skip recovery phase, allowing it to freely use Giga Impact. Maybe give it Poison Touch for some utility. Maybe Sturdy so it doesn't get OHKO'd, and might pull some nonsense with Fake Out. Point being, anything besides "hurr priority."

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:39:01 No.15932621 Report

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>>15932348
This guy might be on to something.

What if they introduced Egg Abilities? Most Pokemon being able to inherit a handful of abilities passed down from Males in their Egg Groups. It'd bring more options to the table, though at the moment I struggle to come up with an ability Raticate could inherit to help it. Maybe Huge Power from Diggersby?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 22:47:53 No.15932840 Report

Quoted By: >>15935402

>Give it Strong Jaw
>buff its speed stat slightly so it can outspeed more things
>buff its special attack stat so it can take advantage of the many special moves it gets
>buff its defenses slightly so that it won't die in one hit to any priority attack

It won't be top tier, but it'd take it out of shit tier. Maybe.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 23:56:06 No.15934655 Report

Quoted By: >>15936473 >>15936499

Ability: Odd Power
>This pokemon's base stats increase for each Unown form recorded.
Each different Unown in your dex increases a base stat by 10. Final stats are:

HP: 88
ATK: 122
DEF: 88
SPA: 122
SPD: 88
SPE: 108
BST: 616

Expand the movepool a little to include other "mysterious" moves and some unique thing where Unown can learn HP multiple times and change the type of its HP attacks by examining Unown tablets or some jank.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 23:59:02 No.15934749 Report

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>>15932337
>Double damage
top lel

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 23:59:56 No.15934775 Report

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>>15932337
oh, guillotine. good job.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 00:22:21 No.15935402 Report

Quoted By: >>15936604

>>15932840
>Strong Jaw Super Fang
>75% damage to all non-Ghosts
Nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 00:59:07 No.15936411 Report

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Give Shedinja the ability to utilize HP EVs, so that poison/burn/weather/stealth rocks aren't autokill, but anything that can actually hit it through wonderguard still kills it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:01:56 No.15936473 Report

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>>15934655
Not a bad idea, that would be kinda cool

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:02:52 No.15936499 Report

Quoted By:

>>15934655
>ATK: 122
Why though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:05:33 No.15936548 Report

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Maybe they could go a little farther with altering stats in Z.

I want my favorite pokemon to be a bit bulkier.

Pangoro is so close, yet so far from being a great pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:07:57 No.15936604 Report

Quoted By: >>15936640

>>15935402

Super Fang doesn't take any damage boosts.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:08:23 No.15936619 Report

Quoted By: >>15936756

Take Gigaliths 135 base attack and switch it with his S.Atk.
This wouldn't make him particularly good, but it would give him a niche instead of being outclassed by other bulky physical rock types.
Plus look at him. Gigalith doesn't even look like he moves that much. A massive rock monolith firing lasers and lightning would be way cooler.
Not sure if change ability though.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:08:44 No.15936634 Report

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Ability: Virulent

Reduces poison damage by 50%. Increases Attack and Evasion by one stage when taking poison damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:08:49 No.15936640 Report

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>>15936604
the very similar Mega Launcher boosts Heal Pulse from 50% to 75%, Super Fang would logically work the same way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:12:55 No.15936756 Report

Quoted By: >>15936783

>>15936619
Sand Force with Earth Power, the buffed Power Gem and Flash Cannon. All of my yes.

His new SDef is 80 so uninvested hits 294 in Sand. It will a monstruos Bulky Special Attacker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:14:11 No.15936783 Report

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>>15936756
He'd get all the energy-ish special moves.
So Energy Ball and Thunderbolt would def be in his arsenal.
Just imagine him charging up his crystals to fire lightning around. Makes way more sense than him trying to headbutt a dude.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:18:04 No.15936879 Report

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Just swap his attack and special attack stats.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:25:34 No.15937104 Report

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Can use Light Ball same way as Pikachu.

All "event" moves actually learnable ingame with no bullshit (All Pokemon).

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:28:28 No.15937184 Report

Quoted By: >>15937208

Stanler Hidden Ability
Distortion: Pokemon activates Trick Room when sent out, lasts for 5 turns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 01:29:31 No.15937208 Report

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>>15937184
Stantler, fuck.

derp lol 5412-9949-9660

derp lol 5412-9949-9660 Fri 15 Nov 2013 02:26:49 No.15938813 Report

Quoted By: >>15938854

>>15931607
Raticate
either give it one more final evolution
or
buff its base stats to 450
HP-60
ATK -113
DEF-70
SPA-10
SPD-90
SPE-110

give it the ability scrappy or a new ability

my idea for a new ability is razor fang which added 20 power to any fang/biting type move.
or
lock-on fang=all fang/biting moves will always hit no matter what.sure bite sounds better than lock on fang

thick fur perhaps.

buff hyper fang accuracy by 10% and boost its chance to flinch by 10%.

give it extreme speed.(its speed maxes out at 322 and it doesn't learn extreme speed.hurrr)

give it iron head

give it ice fang, fire fang, Thunder Fang make all these attacks 100% accurate.Poison Fang as well

derp lol 5412-9949-9660

derp lol 5412-9949-9660 Fri 15 Nov 2013 02:28:17 No.15938854 Report

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>>15938813
whoops math was off there cause i went back and changed a few numbers

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