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> Top lel if 100% even on perfect hacks.
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>December 25th >Thousands of cries of pokegen-fags because they can't pass their precious hacks to Gen 6 >MFW this shit doesn't affect me at all
Anonymous
>>15954367 >it is stated that Pokémon that were transferred from Black, White, Black 2 & White 2 cannot be used what?
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>>15954511 Just breed the pokemon you transfer and the child will be native from Kalos.
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>>15954575 They didn't even mention you can't use them online. Only restricted in tournaments.
Anonymous
>No previous-gen Tutors and TMs in online play
Anonymous
>>15954604 This would only work for pokes that can't breed. You can easily breed gen 5 or below pokes in game with the tutor and tm moves you need and get a mon native to kalos.
Anonymous
>>15954575 They will miss out on special event moves, or move tutor moves though.
Anonymous
>>15954628 Ya but that will require them hackers to actualy breed.
Anonymous
I don't know jack about pokegen, but what's stopping people from hacking in two perfect parents and breeding a legit child from them to xfer?
Anonymous
>>15954657 They also never said you can't use them online. Only tournaments.
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>>15954628 You can't breed Bagons with Outrage in gen 6, the only way to get the move is via gen 5 tutors.
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>no wish chansey
Anonymous
>>15954659 Nothing really. All they would need is a perfect foreign ditto of each nature with perfect IVs and the gen'd parent with egg moves and everything they need. The hard part about breeding is starting up but with 2, 6 IV parents it becomes easy as shit.
Anonymous
>>15954659 But thats the best part its still making them breed after all. lol
Anonymous
>>15954659 They will still need to breed them, that's what annoys pokegenfags, who are lazy as fuck.
Anonymous
>>15954511 For the first couple of tournaments after a new gen is launched, they usually allow only the newest Pokemon, not the older ones. Because Gen 6 added so few new Pokemon, they're probably expanding it to include any Pokemon you can get in Gen 6. I don't think this is going to be a permanent rule for tournaments. Could be wrong though.
Anyway, this will stop hackers from entering tournaments until Gen 6 pokegen comes out, but it won't stop them from using them online. If you can make a Pokemon look perfectly legit to Gen 5's hack checkers, then there's nothing stopping you from passing it on to Gen 6 and using it online.
Anonymous
so this means that they will probably re release all the other legendaries in events on in the next gen/game?
Anonymous
>>15954699 >>15954724 Source where it says transferred pokes can't be use online or through trade in XY?
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>pokemon hacks will always exist
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>>15954666 Given that they went through the trouble of making the marker, there might be a filter option to prevent transferred pokemon from being allowed in a particular match.
Anonymous
>>15954739 I guess they can be used online, but they will be banned from official tournaments.
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>>15954692 >>15954699 >>15954724 Oh okay, thanks for the clarification.
That sure is lazy, not wanting to breed a bit after cutting out pretty much all of the RNG.
Anonymous
What ever happened the current generation Pokegen?
Anonymous
>>15954725 Ya but how do we know yet if there isnt a check in places. We are talking about ds and 3ds here two seperate things. While the ds might have been easy to make perfect hacks. Whos to say theres not something even by the smallest degree that wont allow perfect hacks to be made.
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>>15954784 It was a ruse.
Now go back to breeding.
Anonymous
>>15954776 So this means nothing. Gen fags are lazy fucks anyways. All this stops is the tourneyfags and even then it blocks those that obtained the pokes the legit way.
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>>15954784 From what I've heard, they were able to get the data OUT of the game and into a proper file format that allowed modifications, but either didn't or couldn't put it back INTO the game.
Anonymous
Hey - what if the mark of a transferred pokemon goes into a separate space and if you breed a transferred pokemon the child will have both the blue pentagon and a transfer mark?
Anonymous
>>15954647 You say that like it is a bad thing.
Players should need to go back to a platform that isn't even supported anymore in order to have access to things they basically need to be competitive.
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>>15954848 What if the lack of a mark passes down to children, so it's possible for a lineage to lose the mark, but not to gain it?
Anonymous
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I know just how to whisper
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>>15954830 That's why I said "I guess"
What if the transfered mons from gen5 won't even be allowed online? We don't know that yet.
Anonymous
>a pentagon >not a hexagon
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>>15954925 I think it's a pentagon representing Kalos.
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>>15954801 What kind of check could Pokebank possibly do? It's all determined by data, and hacked Pokemon have the EXACT same data as a non-hacked Pokemon. Different consoles, sure, but it's not like the 3DS can just magically add data to determine if a Pokemon is hacked or not.
>>15954784 They haven't made progress since then, I believe.
Anonymous
>no batton pass Lunatone >no leech seed, stealth rock, spikes Ferrothorn >no heat wave Zapdos >No stealth rock Metagross >No sucker punch hitmonlee
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>>15955062 It's like gen 3 all over again
Anonymous
>all this delusion
Anonymous
>>15955062 >no leech seed, stealth rock, spikes Ferrothorn This already exists through breeding
Anonymous
>>15955180 you can only breed one. In B&W2 there is tutors that teach those moves
Anonymous
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Question, since Mewtwo is in the picture.
Anonymous
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>>15955201 Both parents can pass down egg moves now
Anonymous
Disgusting.
Anonymous
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>>15955167 Wouldn't breeding support atheists, in that it's the slow process of adaptation, while Pokegen would be the "intelligent design" aspect..?
Anonymous
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>>15955263 Why wouldn't you buy Z anyway? Don't you want to taste more of that delicious GF cock
Anonymous
I wonder what Gamefreak will do once people are able to pokegen directly into Gen VI, which means they can add the pentagon onto things that shouldn't be able to have it.
Anonymous
Can't we just hack the pentagram on them?
Anonymous
>If one parent has does not have a Pentagram, then any child produced from that Pokemon won't have it either
Anonymous
Anonymous
>caught a shitty nature xerneas because I figured I could get a hacked one with the right nature/IVs later on anyway >mfw it'll never happen
Anonymous
Anonymous
So... I guess there's no point in playing if next gen, we have to ditch the pokemon we've raised from this gen?
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I think people are massively misinterpreting what was said. All we know for sure is that Pokemon transferred from gen 5 won't be able to used in THIS SPECIFIC TOURNAMENT, and that the lack of a pentagon mark will be how the game knows to bar that Pokemon from entry. Tournaments are done through the Online Competition option in the Battle Spot, which can have its ruleset changed for whatever tournament is going on. (This has been the case since gen 5 introduced the feature)
Talyor 0989-2450-3883 (Ponyta, Larvesta, Ninetales)
Talyor 0989-2450-3883 (Ponyta, Larvesta, Ninetales) Fri 15 Nov 2013 20:07:00 No. 15957036 Report Quoted By:
>>15956776 Last gen pokemons can't be used IN THE OFFICIAL TOURNAMENTS.
Namely that one Dragon event.
It doesn't mean they're banned forever in competitive battles, and it certainly doesn't mean you can't use them on and offline.
Anonymous
>yfw not marked can't breed too
Anonymous
>>15958320 And all is right with the world.
Anonymous
>mfw all the Pokemon spent countless hours breeding in Gen 3-5 are completely useless
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>that edit
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>>15958410 Nah, wouldn't be fair to everyone who wanted to use their old pokemon.
Anonymous
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>>15958410 Wait, Pokemon from Kalos are getting a mark? Is this German occupied Jewish France or something?
Jake 4270-0666-7307 psychic: espurr, drowzee, gothitelle
Jake 4270-0666-7307 psychic: espurr, drowzee, gothitelle Fri 15 Nov 2013 21:17:15 No. 15958571 Report Quoted By:
>>15955062 >no hyper voice sylveon >no double-edge mega pinsir ;_;
Anonymous
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>>15955201 Both parents can pass down egg moves, we also have Belly Drum + Aqua Jet Azumarill now too
Anonymous
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So what happens to pokemon you modified with action replay?
Anonymous
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>Tfw I can't use Terrakion in X
Anonymous
>>15954367 Seems to good to be true.
On the other side, if this is gonna happen, I hope they re-release swiftly all the others legends.
I mean, the guy up wants his Terrakion back,
and I could feel uncormfortable without my scarfran.
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>>15961366 i bet its just the same level of checks the WIFI battling in gen V had, itll probably only not be there for things like impossible pokemon, also im pretty sure theyll stick the move tutors for this gen in the third version as incentive for competitive players to buy it
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>>15958451 What's with her giant lips?
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>>15954367 >it is stated that Pokémon that were transferred from Black, White, Black 2 & White 2 cannot be used I was about to play Black 2 again to get a Skarmory with Iron head and Stealth Rock and tranfer it to Y. Should I just stop or?
Anonymous
>>15961528 You can transfer him, but he'll be frozen in your PC since you cannot use him. Serebii confirmed this.
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His writing is so bad. It's always hard to slog through it.
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>>15961528 This restriction is only for tournaments m8.
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Anonymous
So, my flawless Gardevoir that I breed in Black 2 that took days to breed will be unable to play in tournaments. If they'd have just included a fucking move-tutor in X/Y, I'd be okay with that, but how am I going to get Hyper Voice into competitive play now? I was planning on running Mega Garde as a glass cannon, but guess that isn't happening anymore since the one thing that made it awesome (Its ability to break through subs with a high power STAB move + 30% damage) is gone.
Anonymous
>>15961607 Unable to play in that one official tournament. They could stop disallowing them or you could just...y'know. Use it in other tournaments.
Anonymous
>>15961656 Reread what Serebii said.
Pokemon not from Kalos aren't usable, period.
Anon
I hate mewtwo now>yfw movie 16
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How did Serebii get this information? Does he have a source?
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Pretty sure that's a region marker.
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>>15961607 >>15961656 So, they are disallowing legit mons because people may or may not cheat?
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>>15961656 As long as it'll be allowed in VGC tournaments, I'll be okay. Those are the only ones I care about.
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>>15961693 enjoy your impending ban
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>>15961693 Alicorn Twilight a shit
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It'll be interesting if it's a region marker that's able to differentiate RSE (and I'm assuming Colosseum/XD would have the same marker)/FRLG/DPPT/HGSS/XY or if it'll just be pre-Kalos and Kalos. Is there any junk code in earlier generation Pokemon they'd be able to differentiate with?
Anonymous
>>15954367 >This came from the rules of the upcoming Dragon tournament in Japan where, on looking deeper into the fine print, it is stated that Pokémon that were transferred from Black, White, Black 2 & White 2 cannot be used. They always do this every new generation, nothing new. Gamefreak is too stupid to put up a complex legality checker.
Anonymous
I would be totally okay with this if they'd just give us a move tutor or some way to obtain those moves. I know GF is against DLC, so that isn't happening. Don't really know how'd they do it. Maybe patch the game so Tutor moves become egg moves. They've already patched the game once, so we know it's possible. We all know that will never happen, though...
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>>15961807 >Gamefreak is too stupid to put up a complex legality checker. Or they're smart enough to know that cracking and cheating will always happen.
Anonymous
>>15961824 >I know GF is against DLC They are against paid DLC
They do DLC all the time.
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>>15961824 >I know GF is against DLC They're against paid DLC.
Anonymous
>>15961861 >They do DLC all the time. No, they don't.
Anonymous
>>15954784 >What ever happened the current generation Pokegen? waiting for pokemon bank to figure out how the actual gamefreak legality checker works out
they already made a working 6th gen pokegen but they have no means of transferring pkx files to the game without rigging their 3ds like that hacker guy who revealed the event legendaries
Anonymous
>>15961861 The only DLC I've ever seen from GF is the Pokemon X/Y save patch. Every other bit of 'DLC' is already in the game, so it technically isn't DLC. You just need and event to unlock it, that is to say change a byte of data (usually from a 0 to 1 or vice-versa). The DLC I'm talking about would require data be sent to a DS's SD card because it's not in the game.
Anonymous
>>15961915 >Every other bit of 'DLC' is already in the game, so it technically isn't DLC. You just need and event to unlock it These events, you mean the ones where you'd need to Download something in order to unlock the Content?
You're right, that's not Downloadable Content at all.
Anonymous
>>15961690 "
The literal definition of this pentagon, given by the Pokémon Company, is that the Pokémon is ok to use. This came from the rules of the upcoming Dragon tournament in Japan where, on looking deeper into the fine print, it is stated that Pokémon that were transferred from Black, White, Black 2 & White 2 cannot be used."
"This came from the rules of the upcoming Dragon tournament in Japan"
Reread it yourself. If they were completely unusable ingame there would be no fucking reason to transfer them ever.
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>>15961883 The free torchic is DLC. Even if it is just a little unlock that is a few bytes.
Anonymous
>>15954874 >Players should need to go back to a platform that isn't even supported anymore this is what
________autistic____ people thing
Anonymous
ITT: people think the rules for one tournament apply to the entire generation
Anonymous
>>15962103 >guys, Serebii is wrong! Do you realize how retarded you sound?
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>>15962065 They might.
But I totally meant to type "shouldn't" and feel like a massive retard now. Anonymous
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>>15955373 middle finger to whom? impatient kids?
more importantly, who cares?
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>>15962165 It's from the rules of the tournament. He just worded it horribly.
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>>15961998 You can unlock it with hacking, DLC generally refers to data which isn't already in the game.
Hence why people get so upset with "on-disc DLC"
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I had a feeling Serebii was probably pulling the "no hack" thing out of his ass. They'd have a hard time determining if it was legitimately obtained or not, and they'd just block the Pokemon before not putting some symbol on them.
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>>15958320 Can you imagine if they said all Pokemon were spayed and neutered when going through the bank?
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>>15955343 >>15955373 >pentagram >pentagram >pentagram Back to facebook, you plebeians.
Anonymous
>>15961998 You're not downloading anything you dumb cunt. Everything is already on the game cartridge/in the game's data. If a Pokemon game contains 1.7 gigs of data before an event Pokemon and 1.7 gigs after it was 'received', then nothing was downloaded. All your game is doing is interacting with an outside source such as a 3/DS with a distro cartidge or Nintendo Wi-Fi. That outside source changes a few bytes within the data of the game that unlocks the event/Pokemon.
So yes, I am right. It's not down loadable content because nothing was downloaded.
It's the same story with any other on-disc DLC. EA is notorious for this. Mass Effect 3 shipped with an entire DLC package on the disc, but in order to play it, you had to connect to the internet and unlock it with a purchase. Hackers on the PC version showed people that the only thing that changed in the game after the purchase was a byte was changed from 0 to 1 that confirmed the 'DLC' was purchased.
To add a move tutor would require actual data to be put onto a storage medium the game could interact with, that is to say an SD card. It's completely possible, but I still don't think it's going to happen.
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Does this mean we don't need to have pokemon transferred up from fucking FRLG to have tournament-capable movesets anymore?
Anonymous
>>15962337 You still need to Download (the event item/pokemon) to access the Content (the event).
You're not a bright one.
Anonymous
>>15962398 I gave a full explanation as to why distro Pokemon aren't true DLC, yet the only response you give me is, "Well, they're still downloaded and you're stupid!"
Seriously, did you understand a word I wrote?
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>>15961884 >but they have no means of transferring pkx files to the game without rigging their 3ds like that hacker guy who revealed the event legendaries The guy didn't rig his 3DS to send pkx files he rigged it to modify the RAM in order to induce desired encounters, there's a huge difference, stop spreading misinformation
Anonymous
>>15962398 The event item and Pokemon are already in the games' coding when made and shipped out, there's no downloading.
You're simply downloading a key to obtain the item in-game
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ITT: people who don't know what they're talking about talking about Serebii who is just as clueless as the rest of us and is speculating like the rest of us
Anonymous
>>15962527 You said they don't do DLC.
You get proven wrong.
Now you're making up your own definitions ("true DLC") so you can save face on an anonymous image board.
Sound about right?
>>15962584 >there's no downloading. >You're simply downloading a key Anonymous
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>>15962398 Here's a simple way to explain it.
You have five blocks in front of you. Each box has five sides painted red, and one side painted blue. Four of the boxes have the blue side facing upwards.
Behind the blocks is a Torchic with Speed Boost, but in order to unlock it, all five blocks have to have the blue side facing upwards. So, you reach out and flip the last block so the blue side is facing up.
Tada, you can now receive the Torchic.
Did you have to add anything to receive your Torchic? No. All you had to do was flip a block. That's all a distribution event is doing. No data is being downloaded onto your game cartridge. Your game DOES have to interact with an outside source, but no data is being sent.
>>15962584 Exactly.
Anonymous
>>15962008 They're usable in game and in face to face battles. They're not usable online, at all, whether free battles or ranked. I posted this info in one of those pokegen war threads ages ago. Game Freak knew that hacked mons from B&W2 would shit up X&Y if they allowed them to be used this is a way of cutting them off completely. So you can have all the hacked mons you want, I hope you enjoy using them in the Battle Maison or Elite 4 runs though cause you can't do shit with them otherwise.
Anonymous
>>15962692 It's not a literal key, stop being pedantic, you download data to the DS/3DS's RAM which when accessed by the game unlocks the item in the games' coding. When the event is done or you turn off the game the RAM is cleared.
You are not adding any data to the game, which means it isn't DLC
Anonymous
>Faggot hackers result in everyone being unable to use the bros they've had since Gen 3 except in in-game shit
Anonymous
>>15962722 >>15962008 Guys have you ever considered that since the Dragon tournament is possibly taking place before the Pokebank opens up that's why they added this technicality?
>>15962778 Stop overreacting, cunt. Nothing is definite yet.
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>>15962692 You never proved me wrong! What the hell is your logic? That if you keep saying, "It's DLC" that you'll suddenly be correct? From a technical standpoint, YOU. ARE. WRONG. Downloadable content needs to be DOWNLOADABLE for it to be DLC. Nothing is being downloaded.
The only counter argument that you've thrown my way is, "No, it IS DLC." That's it. Explain to me WHY you think it's DLC.
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In reality, it's just going to block the assfaggot hacks like Wondertomb.
Anonymous
>>15962812 This, stop overreacting over limited information
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>>15955319 The 3DS has been out for a long ass time and that hasn't happened yet. Unless you physcially want to crack open your 3DS, connect it to your PC and change values manually, that cuts 99% of the kiddies off who can barely use action replay already. Will there be hacks? Probably, by a very motivated few, will you or anyone on this board be able to hack your pokemon to use them online? Nope. Better get breeding, son.
Anonymous
>>15962722 Can you not read? It states that pokes that were transferred from bw/bw2 cannot be used in that specific tournament. It doesn't state anywhere that it cannot be used in wifi battles.
Besides, if pokegen comes out for XY, what stops pokegenners from adding that pentagon to the poke?
Anonymous
>>15962778 Even if that is how it is (it is really just assumption at this point, until the bank is released) a cut-off was long needed. Having to make something in a gen 3 game and transfer it up, or cheat, to be competitive is pants-on-head retarded.
Anonymous
>>15962692 I can get a Speed Boost Torchic in-game without ever connecting to the internet and downloading an update. It's not DLC
Anonymous
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>>15962812 >Guys have you ever considered that since the Dragon tournament is possibly taking place before the Pokebank opens up that's why they added this technicality? No? I already knew what the blue pentagon was for, marking legit pokemon that havn't been transferred through pokebank. This is only the first 'official' confirmation of that. If you want to wait until the 25th to find out you can't use your transferred mons online knock yourself out.
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>>15955062 >No Drain Punch Gallade Anonymous
>>15962761 I wasn't quoting for the key. I was quoting for downloading.
The post said there's no downloading involved.
Next fucking sentence, they say you have to download something.
If you had to Download Content for a video game, it's DLC. That's what DLC fucking stands for.
Not all DLC is some $30 map pack for Current First-Person Shooter. Some (and an increasingly fewer amount) is free. It's still DLC, though.
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Theoretically it's cryptographivally possible. If they sign their newly generated Pokemon and hash that signature using the trainer ID, personality data, and IV data and all that then you couldn't fake a legit Pokemon without knowing the signing technique. But that will only last until the 3DS is hacked. Once you look at the assembly for generating Pokemon it's unlikely that the signing technique will be sufficiently obscure to deter people from emulating it.
Anonymous
>>15962883 I'd be fine with it if they made stuff available in past gens available now. I mean for instance you can't get an HA Tentacool in X/Y.
And there are no move tutors and probably won't be any until Z, which is kind of upsetting
Anonymous
>>15962891 On-disk DLC is still DLC.
Anonymous
>>15962867 Pokemon transferred through pokebank won't be usable online. They will be usable in game, and in person battles, but thats it. Game Freak are cutting off all the possibility of any hacked mons being used from this gen onwards by cutting them ALL off, the writing has been on the wall for weeks. Just because you were too fucking stupid to understand why all your mons had a mysterious blue pentagon and are just realising now for the first time what it denotes doesn't change that.
>B-but guys it could only be for this one tournament, right? Anonymous
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>>15962914 When somebody talks about DLC, they're talking about additional content not in the game, not content already stored in the game but is unlocked via RAM. Up until the X/Y patch, there has been no DLC for Pokemon games.
Anonymous
>>15962967 Holy fuck do you even know what DLC stands for?
The reason we refer to on-disk DLC as DLC is because you still need to download something to unlock it.
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>>15962974 Stop spreading misinformation you moron, you know as much as we do about this
Anonymous
>>15962974 >They will be usable in game, and in person battles Serebii confirmed that they aren't usable at all.
I guess they just sit in your PC?
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>>15962907 >>15962974 Nice samefag, fearmonger
Anonymous
ITT: Pokegen faggots in the first stage of denial.
Anonymous
>>15963034 Nobody's fucking talking about Pokegen, you retard, stop being a shitty troll
Anonymous
>>15962914 No it fucking isn't. That's why we knew the entire 5th gen Pokedex and all hidden abilities before GF ever released them, because they were already on the game cart. Furthermore, you could battle/trade these Pokemon with games that hadn't connected to the internet because their data was on the cart already.
In Halo/TF2/whatever you can't hack the game to get the DLC because you have to download it to play it. It literally does not exist in the game until you download.
The reason we are making this distinction is because people seem to think that GF will add new items/pokemon/etc through DLC but this historically has never been the case since all these things were instead included on the game cart since release.
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>>15963011 where's his direct confirmation of this? and not with the shitty wording up above. maybe he DID mean that they were unusable entirely, but that doesn't make very much sense and the wording of the OP's quote makes it sound more like it's about the tournament to me.
Anonymous
>>15962956 I would assume, if they did do a cut-off like that, the pokemon could still be used to breed and whatnot. Assuming that is how it is, you'd be able to pass down hidden abilities through breeding, and currently unobtainable egg moves and whatnot.
Of course, this is just how I'd like it to work. Wishful thinking.
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>>15962987 And if no one downloaded it, guess what? There'd be no Torchics.
But because Torchic is a DLC Pokemon that can be bred, people can pass it around.
Anonymous
>>15963069 At this point I think the people spouting, "GF does DLC all the time!" are just trolling.
Anonymous
>>15963101 There isn't going to be a cut off
Anonymous
>>15962967 If you can hack the game to gain access to it without ever connecting to the internet then it's not DLC.
DLC is literally downloadable content. It cannot exist in the game without downloading it from an external source.
Anonymous
I like this because I was getting tired of the "you need to breed a Gen 3 mon and uptransfer it while teaching it specific moves to have the besterest pokeyman" shit.. At the same time, I feel bad for people who bred nice teams and won't be able to use them.
Anonymous
>>15963111 You mean like the people who are spouting THIS IS DA END OF UR POKEMONS HACKED OR NOT LOLOLOLL?
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>>15963148 Yeah, basically.
Anonymous
>>15963047 Unless you bred a perfect 5 or 6 IV mon in another gen, you'll probably be happy to breed an even better one this gen. However, pokegen faggots who typed in a few numbers will find out that they will actually have to work this time around to get any good pokemon, and can't use their Hexaperfect shinies they hacked in older gens.
Stay mad.
Anonymous
>>15963127 your definition of DLC is different from pretty much the entire industry's.
Whether it's the whole character or just the 100 mb unlock flag for the character, it's considered DLC. Sorry champ, but you're wrong.
Anonymous
>>15963140 Will you fucking shut up already?
Anonymous
>>15963140 >you need to breed a Gen 3 mon and uptransfer it while teaching it specific moves to have the besterest pokeyman Fucking Blissey.
I'll never make one, because the only way to make one "correctly" is to have hacked it.
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>>15963176 make me, bitch nigger.
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>>15963123 There probably won't be. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there wasn't, but there is a possibility that there will be. Nothing is certain until December 25th, or until Gamefreak decides to clarify, which they probably won't.
Anonymous
>>15963166 Stay mad over what? You're not making any sense!
Anonymous
>>15963183 Imagine how upset I was when I found out Gengar didn't get Disable (or was it Substitute?) in Gen 5.
Anonymous
>>15963166 >tfw I have three Hexaperfect shiny Pokemon in Gen VI already >tfw I thought everybody was going to think they were hacked come Decemeber >tfw there's a chance they'll still be viewed as legit after Pokebank is released Awesome!
>tfw my Gen 3-5 flawless Pokemon won't be usable >tfw weeks of breeding: gone >tfw no more move tutored Pokemon Fuck. This is a slippery slope. Everybody gets fucked over by this.
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>>15962987 >you still need to download something to unlock it. Except it can be hacked. This is why Genesects and other things could exist before they were officially released, because they were on-disk content that are simply unlocked by a key.
By this logic, all rating battles are DLC as well because you "download" data that modifies your rating save data every time you connect to the server after a win/loss.
Anonymous
>>15963227 Except that isn't true at all and you're buying into his trollish overreaction
Anonymous
>>15963227 It's a small amount of short term pain for potential long term gain. It's highly unlikely pokegen will ever work on 3DS, so by cutting off the mons from previous gens Game Freak can wipe the slate clean and ensure that every mon used from now on is legit.
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>people who hack >have some perfect mons that look 100% legitimate so they will be transferable >if they can't be used, just breed them and get guaranteed 5 perfect IVs off the bat, no previous time wasted because it only took a few minutes to make each mon in PokeGen >people who don't hack >can't use the old Pokemon they wasted hours and hours breeding for if they decide to cut Pokemon that were transferred >have to remake their Pokemon possibly because of this or because their Pokemon will be outclassed by the easy to breed 5-6 IV Pokemon
Anonymous
>>15963268 Or, you know, detect the hack when you Poketransfer and then let the legitimate ones through
Which is what they fucking said they would do in the first place, quit trolling.
>>15963276 No fucking shit, Sherlock,
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>>15963170 >just 100 mb flag character Do you have any idea how dumb you sound right now? 100mb is larger than most indie games, especially mobile ones.
Technically speaking, on-disc DLC is DLC in the sense that you need to download a single byte of data to confirm you have access to it. However, the majority of the industry does not view on-disc DLC as DLC.
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>>15963219 Still not as bad as Blissey, whose two most common moves are from Gen III.
One as a move tutor and one as a very limited distribution event.
If you've you've played against a Blissey before Gen VI, it was hacked.
Anonymous
>>15963289 If you breed transferred mons they don't pass down the mark. Breeding your perfect hex shinies will just get you more useless mons that can't be used online.
Anonymous
So all this means is that pokemon not caught in X or Y can't be used in tournaments? Not just pokegen'd gen 5 mons but anything sent over pokebank?
Anonymous
>>15963170 >your definition of DLC is different from pretty much the entire industry's. This is the problem with console kiddies.
Downloadable content is content that has to be downloaded. It is right there in the name. DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT. Connecting to a server to modify your save data and unlock content already on the disc is not DLC because the game content itself is already available and the key can easily be spoofed through hacking to give access to the content without downloading anything.
The only reason companies refer to on-disk content as "DLC" is so they can lock it out and sell it later to retards like you who can't tell the difference.
Anonymous
>>15963299 mad faggot is mad
>fite me irl m8 ill rek u Anonymous
>>15963325 Can't be used at all.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15963320 I don't see a source backing up this claim. And if this were the case, EVERYONE loses, not just hackers. If anything, legitimate players get fucked even more so because like I said, they can't use the Pokemon they spent hours breeding in previous gens.
Anonymous
>>15963299 >Or, you know, detect the hack when you Poketransfer and then let the legitimate ones through Thats impossible you retard. Properly hacked mons are identical to legit ones, the only way to ensure that all mons are legit when used online is to cut them ALL off. Either that or say 'Fuck it' and let them all be used online.
Game Freak can't detect hacked mons, if they ever say they can it's a bluf. This is the only way they can make sure online stays hack free.
Anonymous
>>15963352 Of course I'm mad, you're lying to people's faces trying to scare them. You're absolute scum.
Anonymous
>>15963371 It takes like one hour now to get a perfect mon. It's no big deal.
Anonymous
Well at least perfect dittos will pass and you can breed with those, you might also be able to breed with perfect parents that pass the move tutors.
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>>15963390 >It takes like one hour now to get a perfect mon Not always.
Anonymous
>>15963379 Yeah no, you're just being a giant cunt
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>>15963326 >The only reason companies refer to on-disk content as "DLC" is so they can lock it out and sell it later to retards like you who can't tell the difference. So much truth right here. That's why I love console/PC releases. PC folk usually have on-disc DLC unlocked within a day of the game's release for free without downloading a thing (except maybe a .dll file). I switched over to PC so I'd stop getting fucked in the ass by publishers who are screwing over their customers. Been a great experience so far.
Anonymous
>>15963386 >you're lying dat projection
top fucking lel m8
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>>15963390 >all pokemon and all moves can be obtained in X and Y Anonymous
>>15963390 >egg moves >chain breeding Yeah, fuck this.
I'll just gen perfect parents and breed them.
Anonymous
ITT: Radical, baseless assumptions coupled with arrogant know-it-all attitudes by boys who don't actually know anything
Anonymous
>>15963299 >detect the hack when you Poketransfer For the millionth time, a properly genned pokemon is, bit for bit, IDENTICAL to a legit mon.
>but but but they'll have new detections No, it doesn't matter. It is impossible to tell the two apart.
This is probably why they're resorting to this, as no other option would be sufficient.
>>15963395 >passing on move tutor moves Lel
Anonymous
I-I can troll too u guize
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>GF makes breeding and EV training simpler >GF makes native pokemon have a symbol to differentiate them from transfered
Anonymous
>>15963320 This is just speculation, but I think that'd be pretty funny for hackers.
It would suck for legit gen III-V breeders.
Anonymous
>>15963371 GF don't care if some legit breeders get caught in the crossfire. Making sure the game is hack free is a much bigger priority than allowing people to use mons from previous gens online.
Anonymous
>>15963419 >For the millionth time, a properly genned pokemon is, bit for bit, IDENTICAL to a legit mon. I know this and I'm okay with this, I don't give a shit
>This is probably why they're resorting to this, as no other option would be sufficient. See
>>15963418 Stop assuming shit you don't know about you fucking dickhead. Go back to /v/ with your misinformation rumor mill shitposting.
Anonymous
>>15963418 Its okay to have discussions about things like this, and to make assumptions and discuss them with others. So long as everyone realizes that's all it is.
Anonymous
>>15954367 >it is stated that Pokémon that were transferred from Black, White, Black 2 & White 2 cannot be used >Black 2 & White 2 cannot be used. Does this... mean what i think it means?
Please Gamefreak, I'm gonna have an aneurism if this is true.
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>>15963402 That's it! I am morally outraged and won't stand for this!
I will contact moderator support at once and let them know of your lying ways.
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>>15963415 >implying Egg moves are a pain now Top fucking lel.
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I hope that this is true for one simple reason: cutting down the Stealth Rock distribution SIGNIFICANTLY
Anonymous
>>15963434 Why? Legit breeders can get a perfect mon in like an hour, they won't give a shit about not being able to use their old mons if it means every mon they breed from now on doesn't have to compete with hacking scum. Breeders are huge winners this gen, pokegenners will need to either do the same work or not play online at all, win/win.
Anonymous
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>>15963460 >Its okay to have discussions about things like this I agree
>and to make assumptions and discuss them with others I disagree. Asserting that something is true--and admonishing others who either disagree or have a conflicting opinion/assumption--don't make for a good discussion.
Anonymous
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>>15963448 We know for a fact that transferred mons can't be used in this upcoming tournament. It's in the goddamn rules.
Whether they'll continue to apply this to other tournaments is where the ambiguity lies.
Anonymous
I am not saying that everything you download into your game is DLC, but I am saying that all DLC is downloaded
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>>15963466 Yep.
Previous gens are basically cut off.
The Bank serves no real purpose, other than to give GameFreak money.
Nito: 4828-5117-2047 [Panpour, Gyarados, Azumarill]
Nito: 4828-5117-2047 [Panpour, Gyarados, Azumarill] Sat 16 Nov 2013 00:49:57 No. 15963537 Report Quoted By:
>>15963466 you're reading too much into those commas. Theyre saying that our gen 5 bros can't be used in this specific tournament, and the the hexagon is how they can tell which mons are allowed. that's literally all we know.
Anonymous
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>>15963466 In tournaments, Chicken Little.
Anonymous
>>15963508 I don't even use Pokegen, get over yourself, faggot
>>15963514 >Whether they'll continue to apply this to other tournaments is where the ambiguity lies. Then people need to stop claiming HURR DIS IS DA END DURRR
Anonymous
>>15963437 So, hackers don't really lose. They just get less screwed over than legitimate players.
Anonymous
>>15963510 >Asserting that something is true see this goes against what I said.
>So long as everyone realizes that's all it is. Asserting your assumptions are true goes against that part of the statement.
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>>15963547 >implying we'll ever pass up an opportunity to lose our shit Anonymous
>>15963543 He wasn't calling for samefag, retard
Anonymous
Does a pokemon breeded from off-kalos parents lose the pentagon?
Anonymous
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>>15963556 That's typically how it works.
See: video game piracy and DRM
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Why is PokeGen such a huge point of contenti-
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>>15963573 I'd imagine it's based on the "Met at" location, so a hatched pokemon should be fine.
The problem is that Move Tutor moves can't be inherited.
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>>15963506 I mainly mean breeders who have Pokemon with Move Tutor moves. Otherwise I agree with you. I have a few Pokemon from Emerald and a couple from B/W2 that have perfect IV's with hard to find tutor moves. I'm kind of pissed I won't be able to use them.
I already have a box full of Perfect Pokemon in Gen VI, so I suppose it's a decent enough trade off...
Anonymous
>>15963573 How the fuck should we know
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>>15963590 see
>>15963570 Also these aren't opinions, these are people just trying to spread falsehoods to get their jollies off at people reacting to those falsehoods
Anonymous
>>15962974 What if i told you that the pentagon was just a region marker? Back in vgc11, they did the same thing and only allowed pokes from the unova region.
Anonymous
>>15963556 Well they kind of do lose if using hackmons was the only way they could compete online. I dunno why you guys keep trying to spin it as some big win for hackers when all it means is they'll just stop playing, or start playing legit and everyone else gets to enjoy a completely clean online experience.
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>>15954367 >What is wild encounter hack Anonymous
>>15963521 This is extraordinarily well put and more or less perfectly sums up Pokemon distributions.
Anonymous
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>>15963622 This
Finally a voice of reason
Anonymous
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What amazes me is the assumptions people are making based off of how little we know. The shape may just denote a legal pokemon.
Anonymous
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>>15963521 Unless it was on disk already and the company just called it DLC.
Anonymous
>>15962337 >Hackers It's crackers, you honkey.
Anonymous
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>>15963631 Actually Pokemon files from distributions never make it onto your game specifically, they're stored on the RAM where the game reads that data and generates a Pokemon based on it, and when done the RAM is cleared.
Anonymous
and now the guys behind the hex codes have spoken
Anonymous
Now we have to deal with a year or 2 or shitty pokemon that don't have access to their move tutors moves.
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>>15963547 I used uber leet hax to hax your desktop faggot.
This is a screencap
Anonymous
>>15963594 >>15963617 calm the fuck down assholes, i was only asking a question
fuck this im going back to reddit, cuntfuckers
Nito: 4828-5117-2047 [Panpour, Gyarados, Azumarill]
Nito: 4828-5117-2047 [Panpour, Gyarados, Azumarill] Sat 16 Nov 2013 00:57:35 No. 15963734 Report >>15963688 so doesnt that mean that
>>15963622 is correct?
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>>15963698 You can use them to your heart's content, just not in tournaments with that rule.
It is literally just a region restriction.
Anonymous
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>Lumiose city is a giant Pentagon
Anonymous
We are now entering the golden age of pokemon. Thank you based Gamefreak
Nito: 4828-5117-2047 [Panpour, Gyarados, Azumarill]
Nito: 4828-5117-2047 [Panpour, Gyarados, Azumarill] Sat 16 Nov 2013 00:58:50 No. 15963763 Report Quoted By:
>>15963740 cool.
now hopefully everyone will calm the fuck down. this panic is just silly. Anonymous
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>>15963688 SUCK IT FAGLORDS TRYING TO SCARE PEOPLE
SCIENCE WINS AGAIN
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>>15963626 >I dunno why you guys keep trying to spin it as some big win for hackers Because it is a big win for hackers. Man, I sure do love all these 6 IV Pokemon and Pokemon with perfect Hidden Power spreads I hacked that I can transfer over and easily breed compared to the legitimate players! Oh, and those Pokemon I can't use? Big deal, I made them in a few minutes. At least I didn't spend fucking hours upon hours breeding shit legitimately just to not be able to use them in tournaments in the next gen.
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>>15963734 yes, he also mentioned that even though he gimped wireshark it still had the pentagon icon which led to his conclusion
Anonymous
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>>15963661 Cracker implies the intention is malicious. I suppose you could say wanting what's on a disc you own and paid for is malicious, but I don't think it is, hence the reason why I used the word hacker.
Hacking and cracking is the same thing. The only difference is the intent.
Anonymous
>>15963566 Actually, no, you and I are talking about two different things. I'm putting it on the poster to make it clear that their speculations are speculation, nothing more; you're putting it on the reader to assume that anything anyone says is speculation.
Anonymous
>>15963795 That doesn't prove anything.
Anonymous
>>15963688 >a guess from a random nobody means jack shit
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>>15963722 You were a question that you should have understood could not be answered at this point in time.
Anonymous
>hackers transfer in perfect IV dittos >can breed perfect super babies in minutes
Anonymous
>>15963815 Except it does, it's hard proof
Whose in denial now?
Anonymous
>>15963688 However unlikely it may be, it could be both a region marker and a means of having a cut-off. They could just as easily have it so that only point encountered in Kalos (hatched or caught) are usable.
No real point in freaking out over it though. We won't find out until the end of December.
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>>15963857 He's a filthy hacker, so he's probably lying.
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>>15963842 >all this denial Anonymous
>>15963842 the guy who posted that is one of the creators of pokegen
keep trolling
Anonymous
>>15963852 So do leftovers that other players give you. Hell I've gotten at least 20 4 or 5 IV Foreign pokemon in different egg groups. It does't take long at all to breed them.
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>>15963874 >only point encountered Pokemon, even.
Anonymous
>>15963857 I take condolence in the fact that the .pkx file has been decrypted and none of the bytes are used for contest stats.
In other words, hackers will run rampant, but Hoenn is CONFIRMED for not happening this gen unless they removed contest.
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>>15963688 Partially true, yes the pentagon is a region marker, but pokemon obtained outside of the Kalos region won't be usable online or in tournaments. So effectively its moot, it serves the same function, informing you if you can use it online or not.
Anonymous
>>15963874 Except the person who posted that completely proved that there isn't a means for a cut-off
Anonymous
>>15963907 >muh pokegen is that why he's so scared? Pokegen is rendered obsolete now, topkek
Anonymous
>>15963812 Actually I never stated who I put it on. You are making assumptions. In truth I don't care which way it is done so long as both people understand what is going on. I do think people should be smart enough to infer for themselves that most of what is being said is only assumptions of people. The facts were made clear at the beginning of the thread, anything else is just assumption, or conjecture and should not be taken as fact. If the readers are too stupid to realize this, then yes the writers should make it apparent.
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>>15963852 Pfft, It's not hard to get perfect IV's with the current resources in game, at best you are cutting down the prep time in half.
The move tutor/tm thing is HUGE and necessary to level out the playing field for people just getting in now.
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>>15963842 >random nobody >someone doesn't know the hacker scene He co-created Pokegen. Nice try, though.
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>>15963925 Great now you're going to turn this into a Hoennbashing thread
I don't even like Hoenn, but get over it, it's old to bash it
>>15963955 Okay, back to /s4s/ with you
Anonymous
>>15963909 Point is you can't even use something as simple as s fire punch Dragonite now. And countless other key moves for tutor pokemon.
Or even shitty legendaries like Uxie.
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>>15963936 The cut-off would be enforced through Wi-Fi/tournament officials.
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>>15963936 >I do not think >I believe is not proof. back to high school bud
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>>15963874 you're over thinking too much
its just a region marker, different gens could get different markers
Anonymous
>>15963955 >hack anything to be from kalos >get a free pentagon sticker to boot Your tears are delicious denailfag
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>>15963936 No he didn't? He said that the marking wasn't a hack check, which is true. Doesn't mean Game Freak can't cut off all Pokemon that were transferred through Pokebank, there is no way of giving a Pokemon a Kalos regional marking using B&W2.
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>>15963936 Where exactly? He said he does not think there is a hack check, but really there just needs to be a check for region, and everything not encountered in Kalos could potentially be cut-off, however unlikely that may be.
Anonymous
>>15964002 >implying anyone can even hack anything to be from Kalos Your butthurt is palpable, nerd
Anonymous
>>15963977 Look at Black/White and Black/White 2. One had region specific legendaries, the other had a shit ton of other random ones. Version Z will probably have a move tutor where we get all our moves from, and the legendaries might get wifi events. Either way, I doubt they'll keep us not being able to
catch 'em all for long.
Anonymous
Doesn't anyone remember the beginning of the last couple gens? For the first online tuornament, they didn't allow transferred Pokemon. After that you could use anyone you wanted. Fucking newfags.
Anonymous
>>15963962 The writers should make it apparent regardless of the readers' intellect.
Anonymous
>>15964002 >Hack something to be from Kalos >Legality detection means no Gen3-5 move tutors or TMS smogonfag tears are a far more delicious wine
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>>15954367 So this pretty much dicks everyone, not just those that use Pokegen/sav?
Kinda shit if you ask me.
Anonymous
>>15964056 >Version Z will probably have a move tutor where we get all our moves from, and the legendaries might get wifi events. Yes, goy. Wait a year or two and give us even more money.
Anonymous
>>15954647 Wish Chansey is bullshit and you know it
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>>15964063 breeder autists and gamefreak shills are too busy trolling one another
people forget that we can edit pkx files already and the only thing left is transporting them to the game and testing gamefreak's pokebank legality check
Anonymous
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>>15954367 In the previously streamed world pokemon tournament, I specifically recall one of the finalists's non-event pokemon coming out of a Cherish ball.
The Pokemon Company just doesn't give a shit about hacks. Just disregard this.
Anonymous
>>15964051 The co-creator of pokegen who hacked the .pkmx file said you can't hack something to be from Kalos
>#REKT NERD >being this much of a faggot Gordon 4699-6584-1653 [Lampent?, Pumpkaboo, Spiritomb]
Gordon 4699-6584-1653 [Lampent?, Pumpkaboo, Spiritomb] Sat 16 Nov 2013 01:13:27 No. 15964162 Report >>15964065 No I don't think it necessary if their readers aren't idiots. Anyone who bothered to read the OPs post could tell assumption from truth. However like I said if the readers aren't that smart you have to hand hold them.
Anonymous
>>15964066 Smogonfags don't give a shit since they either gen or play on sims.
Do you think before you post, denialfags?
Anonymous
>Make defog another good way to counter hazards >Only a small handful of pokemon learn it from level up/breeding >Pretty much anything that has anything to do with flying from gen 4 and before can learn it as an HM >now illegal
Anonymous
>>15964129 >can't hack basic info onto a pokemon using pokegen riiiight
Anonymous
>>15964101 Nobody has a legitimate Wish Chansey lol
People can hack it, but they have to do so very well to pass 5th gen checks, seeing as most kiddies can't hack 3rd gen for their life
Friendly reminder that the Wish Chansey event was a live event in NYC Toys R Us, iirc
They gave out 15 or 16 different mons with special moves, and the one you got was random
Which means out of the small amount of people who even got the event, only 1/16th of them even got a Wish Chansey
Anonymous
>>15964129 it's pretty obvious that he's trying to calm down the nerds who use his crappy product. There's probably more alarms for hacked pokemon anyway, which would prevent them in trades and battling. so yes, get rekt loser
Anonymous
>>15964169 They tend to base their game on what's in-game legal, though.
Anonymous
>>15964129 >say it was hatched from an egg on route 7 It's now Kalos-legal, viola!
Anonymous
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>>15964162 >if the readers aren't that smart >if Where do you think we are?
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>>15964177 So how do you think you're going to transfer a mon that is marked from being from Kalos from a B&W/2 cart without the Pokebank picking up on it and deleting it? You start adding data and suddenly your perfect hacked mon isn't so 'indistinguihsable' from the legit mons.
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>>15964101 You can't prove that I didn't go to NYC back in 2004 for that event, and got lucky with hatching one of the eggs. I actually do have one that was obtained at the real event, but it has horrible stats.
I've also managed to learn everything that makes a Pokemon from the wish event what they are in terms of pkm data, so I've recreated my own Wish Chansey using a good gen 3 FR/LG spread that was possible with the exact same generation method.
That sure was a fun event I went to. I feel like I won the lottery!
>>15964178 It was the Pokemon Center in NYC, and it was from an event with six possible Pokemon. Those being Farfetch'd, Lickitung, Kangaskhan, Chansey, Drowzee, and Exeggcute. All with wish.
Also, legitimacy is non-existent as far as the game is concerned. There is only "legal" and "illegal". There is no middle ground.
Gordon 4699-6584-1653 [Lampent?, Pumpkaboo, Spiritomb]
Gordon 4699-6584-1653 [Lampent?, Pumpkaboo, Spiritomb] Sat 16 Nov 2013 01:19:09 No. 15964285 Report >>15964239 Well I guess for the purposes of this board we will have to hand hold everyone. It's a shame people are so retarded that they can't decipher for themselves what is real and what is an assumption, when OP literally told them the facts.
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Imagine all the soccer mom flak Gamefreak will get when they find out little Jimmy's "old" Pokemon from BW2 can't be used on X&Y online
Read
>>15964063 Anonymous
>>15964285 I'm not so much about the readers so much as the posters who go on to say things like "you're a moron, because XXXX is true" when it's SPECULATION. It's not the speculation itself, it's the use of speculation as ammo.
Anonymous
>>15964177 >>15964182 >>15964231 All this denial.
He said you can't hack it. Plus every pokemon has a history of what time the egg was obtained in the game, and the history of all battles. There's an NPC that tells you
>b-but m-m-muh hax Stay plebian pokegen scum
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>>15964368 How much of this do you actually believe?
Gordon 4699-6584-1653 [Lampent?, Pumpkaboo, Spiritomb]
Gordon 4699-6584-1653 [Lampent?, Pumpkaboo, Spiritomb] Sat 16 Nov 2013 01:24:42 No. 15964441 Report Quoted By:
>>15964365 Oh well of course anyone doing that is retarded. You should never assert your assumptions as true, and argue them so strongly. State the points for why you think them yes, see if others can refute them yes, but never try and pass them off as fact.
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>>15954628 You can't breed tutor moves because they aren't Egg Moves.
Anonymous
>>15964177 >>15964182 >>15964231 Every pokemon has a history built into the game. (There's an npc that tells you parts of it) You can't hack into the cartridge just yet. Plus the co-creator said there was no mark in the .pkmx file for the pentagon.
>b-but m-m-muh 1337 hax >b-but m-m-muh superiority over breeders >b-but m-m- stfu
stay mad pokegen plebeians.
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When IS this Dragon tournament? This may simply be GF covering the bases by disallowing transferred Pokemon before Bank's release date in case someone finds a way to do so.
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>>15964549 You have valid points and I'm not arguing against them, but
>I'm right, suck it! Dude, placing "winning against the other guy" above "setting the record straight" is fucking lame.
Anonymous
>>15964549 Here's the thing, though. I'm someone who painstakingly bred his team in White, and now I'm about to have my team be unusable because of faggot hackers.
I'm goddamn upset
Anonymous
>Pokégen faggots try to duck out of breeding by trying to transfer perfect IV Pokémon for the sake of fast breeding >My face when Game Freak puts in a special measure to make sure that if a Pokémon has 31s in more than 3 stats, that pokémon can't be transferred anyways.
Anonymous
Anonymous
It's the dawn... of a new era... of pokemon...
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>>15964631 Upset over what? For one, nothing has been confirmed. Second, they're talking about trying to spoof a Kalo-bred Pokemon, which you clearly haven't done.
Anonymous
>>15964549 If there's no mark on the .pkmx file for the pentagon, then it's confirms that it's just a region marker.
Anonymous
>>15964652 >2013 >giving a shit about shinies What are you autistic or something?
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>>15964631 I have 952:41 in Black and 569:34 in Black 2
I'm just happy I can finally breed 5 IV pokemon quickly. I bred them once, I can do it again, just a hell of a lot faster, and they'll even be better than the 4 IV's I had last time.
Anonymous
>>15964549 I'm willing to bet that the pentagon is stored in the ROM (obviously, as it's not in the .pkx)
Thus, if you Pokegen a mon to be from Kalos, then inject it into the game (note, this is not 100% possible yet, just saying this so people don't tell me like I don't already know) the ROM will read it as a Kalos mon and give it the pentagon
This is of course assuming someone hacks it perfectly, someone with knowledge of how the game works (something that won't happen for a long long time)
Theoretically it should work, because legality is binary. There is no way to tell a perfectly hacked mon from a legitimate one (in gens 3-5). They are the exact same in data, because the ROMs have been fully cracked and Pokegen was made using that knowledge. When used correctly, it works just like the game.
Anonymous
>>15964729 You have no clue what you're talking about.
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>>15964724 Yes. What about it? We all are.
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>>15964171 You're forgetting:
>most Pokemon can only get Stealth Rock from Gen IV TM >now illegal Anonymous
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>>15964652 ...for three months!
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>>15964652 Biking for hours has fucked your head, I suggest you seek professional help
Anonymous
>>15964729 It won't have a record of the battle you fought to catch it. It won't have a record of the moves you used, or the ball you threw.
POOF, here's a new pokemon, and by the way you caught it 3 days ago. Not sure how, but why not, right?
Anonymous
>>15964710 >confirms No, it doesn't? We can't know anything until we get a non-XY Poke in there.
Anonymous
>>15964632 Thats a terrible idea though because sometimes the rng is very genereous.
>try to transfer wild Sandile or something >LELNOPE ITS 2GUD >guess my legit pokemon is forever doomed to 5th gen Im all for good hackchecks but dont be retarded
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>>15964757 It sounds plausible to me. It seems reasonable that the marker corresponds to the Pokemon's listed original location.
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>>15964820 There's nothing else that it could be. Almost everything about gen 6 pokemon data is recorded and documented.
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>>15964820 >owner of the house says there's a dog behind the door >hear barking behind the door I guess I'll just open the door to make sure there is actually a dog, and the owner isn't lying and the barking is actually a recording.
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>>15964177 The thing is, your Pokegen'd Pokemon has to pass through the Pokebank hack check, and its going to show as illegitimate if a Pokemon from Gen V has a Gen VI-exclusive marker. I'm sure it IS possible to insert this marker, but it will not work for getting hackmons from Gen V to Gen VI.
>>15964549 >being this retarded The whole "Pokemon history" thing is new to Gen VI. There is no such information stored in Gen V and prior Pokemon data, so ANY Pokemon coming from Gen V - including legit ones - is going to have no history data.
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>>15964803 Plausible. The ROM records everything now, PGL has proven this.
We can probably still rely on editing existing Pokemon, however. Breed any little shit, then change its stats to be whatever you want, make it shiny too, re-inject. Whatever Bond did to get Wireshark back into his game worked, so this method hasn't been disproven yet.
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>>15964893 >The whole "Pokemon history" thing is new to Gen VI. There is no such information stored in Gen V and prior Pokemon data, so ANY Pokemon coming from Gen V - including legit ones - is going to have no history data. And this is why we can't use Gen V mons. Is there something you are missing, or are you really just that stupid?
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>>15964886 Or, I can wait until he opens the door and shows me. I'm not going to assume anything one way or the other.
Anonymous
>>15964953 do you also wear fedoras?
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>>15964549 So what you're basically saying is that you can't uses traded pokes on wifi since you don't have the pokemon's history in your cart? kek
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>>15964934 I think you might be the stupid one. If you weren't allowed to use Pokemon prior to Gen VI because they didn't have histories, then what would the point of Pokemon Bank be?
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>>15964837 >But my one good Pokémon is forever fucked! So breed a new one. Like, shit, it's not hard anymore, put in the effort, you faggot.
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>>15964934 This is why we can't use Gen V mons, IN THE FIRST TOURNY. Remember when we couldn't use Gen IV mons in Unova's first online shits? Yeah. It's temporary. We'll be able to use them online, just not in the Dragon thing.
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>>15964969 What's the matter, you can't keep up with an argument or find a reasonable counter, so you're just going to lob meaningless insults?
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>>15964757 No, you don't. He's right.
Things like Base Stats and Abilities are already stored in the ROM and not the .pkm file. For instance if you give a Pokemon its Ability 1 and then an impossible Ability, upon evolving the game will automatically correct itself to the correct Ability 1. And although the Pokemon's actual stats are stored in the .pkm file, the base stat calculations are done from a table in the ROM (hence levelling up a stat-edited Pokemon will re-calculate its stats to what they should be).
It is therefore entirely possible that the game checks data in the .pkx against a table in the ROM to determine whether to apply a Kalos marker.
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>>15964983 If that's the solution, Pokemon Bank/Transfer is meaningless.
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>>15964972 They're histories are also cross checkec/traded.
topkek
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>>15964989 >>15964976 >not realizing all pokebank pokemon will be banned Anonymous
>>15964934 So you are actually retarded?
Legit Pokemon will be missing the history data too. And there is currently no indication that the "Kalos only" ruling applies broadly and not just to this one initial tournament. If it does not apply broadly, and Gen V and prior Pokemon are allowed online, then that means Pokemon lacking history data will be allowed online.
Since you do not yet know how this rule will be applied, you are retarded to be making the claims you are.
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>>15964996 No it had meaning. I'm calling you a neckbeard atheist who disbelieves in God because you haven't died yet.
Anonymous
>>15964983 >find a shiny 4 IV Metang in gen 5 >cant use in gen 6 gotta breed a new one this is purely hypothetical and nitpicky but instead of being lazy and doing a blanket restriction on people who get lucky they could actually make a half decent hackchecker
Anonymous
>>15964976 Using the old ones to breed new ones, I'd imagine.
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>>15965075 >this apple is red so the next one is going to be blue Anonymous
>>15965116 honestly not a problem when 6IV dittos will be transferred by the metric ton by December
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>>15965133 I highly doubt they'd market Transfer with "bring your favorite Pokemon to Kalos!" only to mean "but you can't actually do anything with them, so have them breed new ones."
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>>15965251 I doubt it too, but I'm not going to rule it out. Frankly, I'd like it to happen, but I realize it isn't probable.
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>>15965298 >wanting something this restrictive Anonymous
>>15965471 >wanting to have to bring in gen 3 pokemon or cheat to be competitive Surely you can see how a cut-off, while restrictive, would be better in the long run.
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>>15965523 >"Let's inter the entire Japanese-American population juuuust in case even one of them is a spy" Oh yeah, perfectly reasonable.
>in before "hurr yeah cuz I'm racist cuz that's cool on 4chan" Anonymous
>>15965251 >but you can't actually do anything with them This is hyperbole though. You can do most things with them, just not use them online. Also remember this measure is pretty much for this gen only, you'll be able to take all you Kalosian Pokemon to the next gen games and use them no problem at all.
Was there this much sperging when you couldn't transfer mons from Gen 1-2 to Gen 3? Cause this isn't even close to being as bad as that. You can't use your Gen 5 mons online, big woop.
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>>15965571 >Comparing your vidya game monsters to American WW2 internment camps Anonymous
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>>15965727 >just not use them online >You can't use your Gen 5 mons online, big woop. And this isn't hyperbole? No where has that ever been said. You'd think they'd mention something like that.
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>>15965779 >I don't understand the definition or purpose of an analogy Anonymous
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>>15965779 Just don't reply. He'll try and pull the, "I was just pretending to be retarded!" thing.
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>>15965727 I don't remember them saying we couldn't use transfered mons online.
They ONLY said, we can't use them for the upcoming tournament.
Everything else is speculation.
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>>15965850 Actually I know for a fact that mons transferred through Pokebank won't be usable online.
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>>15965928 Holy shit please tell me your time traveling ways
