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Also pokegen question/discussion thread Despite the number of autists on /vp/, a horrifyingly low number of people know how pokegen works and what poketransfer will mean for their competitive experiences. I'm here to help clear up the details regarding this complicated issue. First, let's talk about whether or not gened mons will be able to pass through poketransfer filters. The answer is yes, and here's why. In generation 3, 4, and 5, a pokemon's data is held in a .pkm file. In gen 5, a .pkm file is only about 136 bytes. This is EXTREMELY small and it only contains necessary information. The info stored on a .pkm file ONLY includes: Species Nickname Original player's name Original players ID # Original player's secret ID # IVs EVs Number of experience points Whether or not it's an egg (includes how many steps until it hatches Game of origin Route of origin Level at which it was encountered What type of ball it is in Held item Ability Move set The pokemon's randomly generated 10 digit personality value (determines gender and shininess) All of this information is editable in programs like pokegen. When someone uses pokegen, what they are doing is editing a save file so that a cartain .pkm file appeares in a pc slot. Since the .pkm file already contains where it was encountered, it's as if it was already there. According to the game file, that pokemon was caught and put into the pc. It's like if you altered someone's memory flawlessly. Their reality changes. The reason why I'm explaining this in such detail is because I've seen threads devolve into shouting maches on whether or not they are considered "real pokemon." From the game file's standpoint, they are, and they were always there. The only way that the game could possibly tell that these pokemon are illegitimate are if they have moves that they cannot learn, abilities they cannot learn, or crazy EV spreads. TLDR: legal gened pokemon will be transferred normally because they are IDENTICAL
Anonymous
How important will an invalid PID be? It's never stopped my Pokemon from being usable on GBL before, but I worry it might prevent them from being transferred to X/Y.
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>>15956539 It doesn't matter how the pokemon got there, people are complaining about the real life "realness" of generated pokemon. Because you didn't caught and bonded with this set of data compared to another set of generated data.
>BULLSHIT SEMANTICS Anonymous
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>>15956598 I'm not sure. You should be able to import your real PID into pokegen. If you haven't done that, you should probably edit your existing pokemon so that they have your PID
Anonymous
That's all fine and great OP but what about Pokegen for gen 6? All my Gen 5 Pokemon are gone and lost forever ;_;7 Have they made any worthwhile progress on that?
Anonymous
>>15956709 How did you lose them?
Anonymous
>>15956709 It's general knowledge that no piece of programming is completely secure. Hackers have discovered that the new file type for pokemon is much larger and more complicated than in previous gens. Once the 3ds if fully gutted, which will be soon, someone will program a new poke gem for these crazy new files.
We could potentially edit our pokemon's memories
Anonymous
>>15956786 >will be soon Any source on that? Genuinely curious here.
Anonymous
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>>15956786 So then I can have my proud of its power Lucario right?
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>>15956786 >Once the 3ds if fully gutted, which will be soon, Anonymous
So wait for gen 6 pokegen, at this point in time we can look at pokemon's pkx file but we can't edit it, right?
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>>15956855 >2011 >"3DS will be cracked by Christmas. Piratefags rejoice!" >2012 >"They're totally working on a working emulator now. It'll be ready before the end of the year. Piratefags win again!" >2013 >"They're cracking the code AS WE SPEAK. We'll be hacking in Pokemon before PokeBank for sure. Stay mad moralfags." You get the idea.
Anonymous
>>15956539 Whats the point of this thread?
Everyone knows pokemon are made up of data, whats your fucking point?
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>>15956987 >Everyone knows pokemon are made up of data Evidence exists to the contrary
Willaien
>>15956786 The new file format has been documented, there are a few bytes that aren't known, but, for the most part, while larger than the previous generations, it's not that much bigger.
Anonymous
>>15956899 Most of the data is currently inaccessible, and we don't know much about the new file type, how the game is programmed, or the security checks that the 3ds has.
We have made strides though. RNG "abuse" can cause certain pokemon to show up in the wild and at a certain level. If it turns out getting around the security measures of the 3ds takes longer than estimated, pokegen might be prorammed around causing certain pokemon to appear instead of altering the save file
Anonymous
OP I am curious as to how trash bytes will affect the hack checker. Also does boosting a Pokemon to 100 or editing the EVs fuck with the hex data in any noticeable way? I've never gotten a straight answer.
Anonymous
>>15957025 >The new file format has been documented, there are a few bytes that aren't known >>15957029 >Most of the data is currently inaccessible, and we don't know much about the new file type Top lel, get your shit together lame hackers
Anonymous
>>15957038 Of course it will, since hex values would change to reflect the updated level/EV changes. It wouldn't corrupt/make it illegal though. Only way level editing could make something illegal is if you have something at a level that it normally can't be obtained at, such as level 1 Zapdos.
Anonymous
>>15956765 By being a cheapskate and using a CycloDS to play B/W to begin with.
Willaien
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>>15957025 As well, we can already create (I intend to start one such project) sniffers that will tell you the stats of pokemon offered/traded in trades(eg. IV's, EV's, all such hidden data). However, injection of pokemon isn't possible currently, due to not knowing how to sign packets to send back to the games.
>>15957038 Boosting EXP or editing EVs are completely inconsequential, so long as you preserve your trash bytes.
Anonymous
>>15956539 Sort of.
Pokemon files also contain a bunch of superfluous data called "trash bytes". The game can check these to see if they make sense for a Pokemon. e.g. Just changing a mon's IVs and nothing else can cause its trash bytes to be wrong.
The GOOD hackers will generate a mon from scratch, including having the game call up believable PID/trash bytes/etc so that the mon looks like a real, game-generated mon, and not a modified one, and then use an injection method like GTS spoofing to trade it into their game.
Willaien
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>>15957093 But it has been documented. I have several extracted pokemon on my desktop right now. It's not that hard, even.
Anonymous
>>15957105 Makes sense. Since it doesn't corrupt data, is there a lack of data for previous levels? I don't know if PKMs track level/stat progression or not.
Anonymous
>>15957038 Not sure for gen 6, but in gen 5 as long as the EVs are distributed naturally you should be fine in that regard.
I'm note sure what you mean by boosting, but the .pkm file does not record the progression of your pokemon in any way. it won't notice if your pokemon is suddenly level 100 because it doesn't store that data anywhere. you should be fine
Willaien
>>15957140 Pokemon games only track the current XP (At least in the box), nothing else about previous levels. The new XY format does store what moves the egg was hatched with, however, to allow you to relearn egg moves at a move relearner.
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>>15957140 Just the level that the Pokemon was originally met at. This gets changed if the Pokemon is imported from an older game, though. For example, say you had a Pidgey met at level 2 from FR/LG, leveled it up to 30, and then transferred to a gen 4 game. Your met data would change to say that it was met at 30 via Pal Park. Same applies for importing into gen 5. Other than that, no level history is kept.
Anonymous
>>15957029 We know plenty about how the file format is structured. There is very little that is unknown.
The largest block of mystery data is the Pokemon Memory block, which we understand to be such (we know that the Memory Girl data is stored in it) but we don't exactly know which memories are stored using which bytes/values.
Anonymous
>>15957167 I actually didn't know that. Thanks. I was afraid to get rid of ice fang on my mawile because I didn't know if I would want it back
Anonymous
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir]
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir] Fri 15 Nov 2013 20:15:18 No. 15957229 Report All this legality crap proves RNG abuse smartest is the smartest way of doing things. No repercussions, No worries, and easy results.
Willaien
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>>15957196 >>15957140 Oh right, the game does now track some extra info about pokemon, a sort of story history of events it has participated in. Used by the memory recall girl.
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir]
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir] Fri 15 Nov 2013 20:16:18 No. 15957242 Report Quoted By:
>>15957229 I fucking hate this mouse. not even sure how the fuck it made me retype that nasty typo.
Anonymous
Any word on whether or not pokemon made to appear with RNG abuse are considered illegitimate by the game? It seems as if it wouldn't since it was caught fairly, but I'm note sure
Anonymous
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>>15957229 It's easy enough to recreate a RNG'd mon in gen with the RNG Reporter though.
Anonymous
>>15957202 >ice fang >not fire fang Do you fear gliscor that much?
Anonymous
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>>15957270 The game would have no way of knowing. How could it?
Anonymous
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>>15956987 the same was said with digimon, but in the end, they too have feelings
Anonymous
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>>15957140 In gen V they don't. They very well might in Gen VI though
Anonymous
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>>15957229 I do both. I like PokeGen for quick online battles, testing teams, shit like that. RNG for my keeper Pokemon though. Breeders are so naive and autistic they'll believe you bred normally too if you tell them.
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Zarion 4570-7997-6456 (Abra Wobbuffet Gothorita) Enk 3780-9403-1484 (Bibarel Wartortle N/A) Fri 15 Nov 2013 20:20:09 No. 15957313 Report >>15956539 >The pokemon's randomly generated 10 digit personality value (determines gender and shininess) In hex right?
So the actual chance of ever encountering the same pokemon twice in an area where only one species spawns is 31^6*16*10*24?
Holy fuck that's an insane number.
Do the PVs affect the IVs in any way?
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>>15957281 I also have fire fang. I get that I could be using the ice fang slot for something else, but I haven't needed to yet. Mawile's been winning for me just fine
Anonymous
>>15957270 They're generated ingame without the use of any external hardware affecting the RAM, so they're legal. Many people who participate in VGC use RNG'd mons, and they pass through the checks just fine.
Then again, even well made hacks seem to get through Nintendo's checks.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12206225/sejun.txt Anonymous
>>15957313 No, they are stored differently.
Correction on my op, I forgot to mention that the PV also influences nature, that shininess is influenced by your id number AND the PV, and finally that the .pkm file also stores the country of origin.
Anonymous
>>15957229 Sorry, but this RNG thing consists of?
Refusing eggs and waiting for perfect inheritance?
Anonymous
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>>15957270 There is no way to tell this other than date shenanigans. And even then you could just be a dude who set his DS date horribly wrong and never changed it.
Anonymous
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>>15957364 No, that isn't RNG Abuse, at least not the kind people refer to.
Anonymous
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>>15957374 Then it's that thing that makes level 2 Arceus pop everywhere?
I'm Confucius.
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir]
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir] Fri 15 Nov 2013 20:28:10 No. 15957435 Report >>15957364 In Gen 5 it went like this.
>Copy of White or Black >A DS lite >Download desired pokemon (With egg moves/IVS/ETC) from Pokecheck.org >Breed International parents >Look for Hex seed >Set timer >Hatch perfect shiny with egg moves and preferred nature. It was too easy.
Anonymous
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>>15957435 >THIS Emerald RNG abuse though, is a fucking pain. Jesus, missing the frame by 1 after waiting 20 minutes. >mfw
Anonymous
I have a question. What exactly is RNG abuse and how is it done?
Zarion 4570-7997-6456 (Abra Wobbuffet Gothorita) Enk 3780-9403-1484 (Bibarel Wartortle N/A)
Zarion 4570-7997-6456 (Abra Wobbuffet Gothorita) Enk 3780-9403-1484 (Bibarel Wartortle N/A) Fri 15 Nov 2013 20:35:31 No. 15957577 Report >>15957362 Thank goodness 23.4 hexillion possible different pokemon for one species does seem a bit much.
Are natures a function of PVs and if so how does it look?
Also I couldn't help noticing that you mentioned 10 DIGITS as opposed to values, does it mean that PVs are limited to 5 values and 16^5 possible combinations?
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir]
2122-6546-4354 Kirballs1 [Combee,Masquerain,Pinsir] Fri 15 Nov 2013 20:41:12 No. 15957692 Report Quoted By:
Anonymous
>>15957577 *correction, IVs are determined by the PV
Here's a screenshot of the data that goes into a PV
Zarion 4570-7997-6456 (Abra Wobbuffet Gothorita) Enk 3780-9403-1484 (Bibarel Wartortle N/A)
Zarion 4570-7997-6456 (Abra Wobbuffet Gothorita) Enk 3780-9403-1484 (Bibarel Wartortle N/A) Fri 15 Nov 2013 20:46:29 No. 15957824 Report >>15957783 Speaking of RNG abuse does ditto still make it impossible to pass on HA?
Anonymous
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>>15957824 Wouldn't know, I've only ever used pokegen. Haven't tried my hand at RNG yet
Anonymous
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>3.1.10 >not 3.1.13 Pleb.
Anonymous
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>>15957106 Are you retarded? I have a CycloDS Evolution and I use it to play Generation IV and V without issues.
Anonymous
>>15956539 >Whether or not it's an egg (includes how many steps until it hatches It actually includes happiness too, but this it shares the byte with this one by giving the egg "negative" happiness and making it hatch when its happiness reaches zero, and happiness is gained with ever 255 steps, with some fancy modifier stuff involving flame body and O-powers that only work on eggs.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15958847 Pokegenned mons have feeling too, you know
Anonymous
>>15958871 The mechanic is called friendship, not "happiness". Stop being proud of your ignorance.
Anonymous
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>>15959001 >fan-made program >official No.
Anonymous
>>15959001 >often used by fans >I'm superior by using the official term Anonymous
>>15959082 >using incorrect terminology >something to be proud of Jesus fuck, it's in the game.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15957334 judging by the looks of that dropbox file, Nintendo really doesn't give a shit about pokegenned mons.
Anonymous
>>15959461 They don't care unless it doesn't go through their checks. That's what I got from it.
Anonymous
"10:30: A thing that has been in question for a while since the launch of the game has been clarified. In the status screen for Pokémon, and seen in trades and in the box, you may have noticed a blue pentagon next to your Pokémon. The meaning of this had yet to be determined, but has been partially revealed today. This pentagon is a confirmation of being obtained in-game. If your Pokémon has this, it confirms it was obtained legitimately in-game or through event. If not, then it has an error and has been hacked, or potentially from another region. Edit @ 16:01: The literal definition of this pentagon, given by the Pokémon Company, is that the Pokémon is ok to use. This came from the rules of the upcoming Dragon tournament in Japan where, on looking deeper into the fine print, it is stated that Pokémon that were transferred from Black, White, Black 2 & White 2 cannot be used. There is a possibility that the mark could be for Pokémon obtained natively in the Kalos region, with other marks for Pokémon transferred, but this will not be made clear until December 25th when Pokémon Bank is released" Looks like they're simply going to assume that ALL transfered Pokemon are hacked.
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>>15956539 I don't think anyone sane is refuting this. The arguments mostly center around the legitimacy of Pokegen, not how well it works. Which I don't even want to argue about any more, don't you people ever get tired of this?
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>>15959521 yeah, their checks don't really seem to do too good of a job if a tourney winner used an entirely hacked team.
Anonymous
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>>15957125 That's wrong. Trash bytes are only part of the name and can be easily fixed. What you're thinking of is probably the checksum, but that's automatically fixed in pokegen. To generate a perfectly legal PID, use the rng reproter program to generate the PID.
Anonymous
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>>15959536 Huh.
So that's what the blue pentagons were for. I thought I was going crazy and didn't notice them from previous gens.
Anonymous
I look forward to the day when gamefreak can detect any hacked Pokemon so all of you le alpha pokegenners can fuck off and cheat in another game.
Anonymous
>>15959685 >being this delusional PokeGen allows Pokémon to be generated without any illegitimate parameters whatsoever. But go ahead, Christian. Keep believing in God, like good sheeple.
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>>15959536 >Looks like they're simply going to assume that ALL transfered Pokemon are hacked. That's incredibly gay.
Anonymous
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>>15959737 Sorry le alpha haxor ;)
Anonymous
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>>15959685 The breeders with their holier than thou attitude are just as bad. Not denying that gen is cheating, but I can get the same exact end result, so why bother?
>stupid analogies like why bother working when you can steal money incoming This is Nintendo we're talking about. They still haven't gotten online down right. I honestly doubt they're going to get hack checking down right anytime soon.
>>15959737 >Bringing religion into this and attacking people over it Uncalled for.
Anonymous
>>15959737 epic
nice
i like it
*tips fedora*
Anonymous
>>15959737 your fedora is showing
Anonymous
>>15959737 >hur I am enlightened and euphoric. I can see your fedora from over here.
Anonymous
So I'm trying to use Pokegen to make pokemon in eggs but I'm running into a problem. How do I use the default name? Whenever I look at game generated mons they always have some extra information there.
Anonymous
>>15959805 >>15959885 >>15959956 >muh fedora maymay XD Back to Reddit, tumblr, 9gag, or whatever shithole you came from, faggots.
Anonymous
>>15959977 Explain your issue better.
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>>15959980 But you were very enlightened, Anon. So enlightened that you have to bring it up with every post, no matter the relevance.
That's dangerous, Anon.
Anonymous
>>15960020 Basically, I want the egg to have its default name when it hatches. Do I need to do anything special or can I just leave the nickname blank.
Anonymous
When it comes to entering my Trainer Name / Pokemon Nickname, do I have to enter it via Hex (that FF0000X or whatever) or am I free to just use ordinary characters? I've seen conflicting stuff from Pokegen.
Anonymous
>>15960039 Leave the nickname blank. When you select a Pokémon, it gets a blue background square in PokeGen. If you reload its data, it should come up with the default name in the nickname parameter.
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>>15959980 ooooh tip it harder bay bay ;)
Anonymous
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>>15959685 It's impossible to tell which pokes are pokegen'd and which pokes are rng/hatched normally.
I just gen'd this poke a sec ago.
https://www.pokecheck.org/?pk=6830570 Anonymous
>>15960076 You can just load your actual Trainer data
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>>15960079 oh cool. thanks.
Anonymous
>>15960101 Doesn't that only work with ROMs?
Also, do you need the trash bytes/whatever it is after all the 'proper' characters in the name have been entered?
Anonymous
>>15960128 >Doesn't that only work with ROMs? PokeGen alters save files, not ROMs. And you people misuse the term ROM since the official cartridges have the ROMs too.
>Also, do you need the trash bytes/whatever it is after all the 'proper' characters in the name have been entered? Yes.
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>>15960172 >PokeGen alters save files, not ROMs. And you people misuse the term ROM since the official cartridges have the ROMs too. Ah, think my knowledge of this program is somewhat skewed
>Also, do you need the trash bytes/whatever it is after all the 'proper' characters in the name have been entered? Thanks, that's the one check I can never get right
Anonymous
>>15960101 Wait, how do you load your save file?
Anonymous
>>15960240 You need a flash cart or something that can back up your save data.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15960250 >>15960251 So buyfag cartridges don't work?
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>>15960305 There are devices to back up save files from official cartridges.
Anonymous
>>15960305 It works if you have something that can backup your sav file. If you don't have a flashcart or anything that can back up your save file, you can use pokegts.ur or
pokecheck.org to download .pkm files to your cart.
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>>15960339 I meant
pokegts.us I don't recommend you download pokes from
pokecheck.org since it adds an event ribbon to your pokes.