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Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 22:33:40 No.15989556 View View Reply Original Report

http://goo.my/zbk

>Trainer shiny value
>Pokemon shiny value

So uh... what does /vp/ think of this...? I just saw it today, maybe I'm way behind and it's worthless, but there's a post on Reddit (god forbid etc) that claims this software can be used to hatch 100% shiny Pokemon with known IVs and natures.
here's the reddit thread:
http://goo.my/h7r

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 22:34:30 No.15989588 Report

Quoted By: >>15989655 >>15990673

>>15989556
Don't link us there. It's a shitter shithole than here and it counts as advertising.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 22:37:07 No.15989655 Report

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>>15989588
durr pretty sure I can't edit posts, oh well I'm a faggot

In that case, before this gets taken down, does anyone know if this is amazing or if I'm just retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 22:55:45 No.15990214 Report

Quoted By: >>15990286 >>15990545

Yeah, it's an interesting thing.

The shiny status of a Pokemon that comes from an egg is determined at the moment it hatches - because of how shiny status is determined (using its generated-at-spawn PID and the hatching trainer's ID and SID), it is possible for eggs to hatch shiny depending on who hatches it.

Trainer ID and secret ID are both 16-bit, and the PID is 32-bit.

TID xor SID = E
PID[lo] xor PID[hi] = F (XORing the upper and lower 16 bits of the PID)

If E xor F < 16, then the Pokemon is shiny. Shift right both sides by 4, and you have:

(E >> 4) xor (F >> 4) < 1

, which will be true if E >> 4 equals F >> 4.

The "trainer shiny value" in the Instacheck software is E >> 4, and the "Pokemon shiny value" is F >> 4. The range for the TSV and PSV is (0-4095).

The idea behind collecting a lot of TSVs for each person is so that, if you have a ton of eggs, you can find out the PSV for each egg, and look up a person with an equal TSV that can hatch it for you, since it will always hatch as shiny for them.

The PID also determines gender, nature, and ability, and the IVs are generated at the same time, so you can check that stuff out too. The only downside is that you have to have someone else to check your eggs/Pokemon (unless you just want to see what other people send you on Wonder Trade, which is handy for checking if someone sent you someone good), and an extra unused wi-fi connection on whichever computer you use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 22:58:03 No.15990286 Report

Quoted By: >>15990413

>>15990214
Thanks for breaking it down, I understand it better now.
This is pretty cool, but due to how complicated it seems I'm not sure if it's going to catch on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 23:02:19 No.15990413 Report

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>>15990286
It's not too bad, since you can just get someone else who has Instacheck running to check your own TSV, and your eggs' PSVs for you. Once you have that, you can go to any one of the many boards that track friend codes and TSVs and ask someone to hatch something for you - you can even hatch only the ones you prefer since you can see all their other details.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 23:06:38 No.15990545 Report

Quoted By: >>15990688 >>15990700

>>15990214
So how is this affected by things like masuda method? Does this mean that masuda doesn't work this gen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 23:10:38 No.15990673 Report

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>>15989588
People need to stop with the "lel forbidden link" shit. Reddit is a shithole, but you don't have to fucking comment on it. You guys act as if it's the end of the fucking world. At least he didn't link ebaums or some shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 23:10:57 No.15990688 Report

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>>15990545
I'm pretty sure people have been showing that Masuda works this gen... but I don't know for certain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 23:11:17 No.15990700 Report

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>>15990545
What Masuda Method does is, when the egg's PID is generated, it rerolls it if the generated one doesn't result in a shiny for you, up to 5 times. So the chance of getting a shiny (by yourself) ends up being 6/4096. After that, if it still isn't shiny, you can do the whole searching for TSVs thing. MM just increases the chances for you to get a shiny from a particular egg.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 23:20:34 No.15990997 Report

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I used that instachecker during the 'Wonder Party' thing. It was quite handy being able to see the exact IVs of everything without having to go to the checker every time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 23:33:16 No.15991380 Report

Quoted By: >>15992181

/vp/ should do what they're doing

Start Instachecker threads so those who can run the program can help others out, and we can make our own directory

I really really don't want to go to Reddit to do this, and I don't have the capacity to run it myself...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 23:39:38 No.15991589 Report

Quoted By: >>15992181

>those comments
And here we see exactly where all those anti-genners came from.
>BAWWWW THIS RUINS THE VALUE OF MUH SHINIES
>STOP CHEATING BAWWWWW
>I HOPE GF PATCHES THIS THIS IS BAAAAAAAD
God, that is fucking pathetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 23:59:00 No.15992181 Report

Quoted By: >>15992454 >>15992574

>>15991589
this

also
>>15991380
I don't have the patience for Reddit trading (Why the fuck can't I even see the subreddit...)
I agree, I think instachecker threads should become a thing. I have a wireless adapter that I'm using but that I might be able to disconnect from for the purpose of this, I'll try and post results.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Nov 2013 00:08:13 No.15992454 Report

Quoted By: >>15993279

>>15992181
alright. I've got 12 beers, a frozen pizza and I'm bored as fuck. time to pretend I know shit about computers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Nov 2013 00:11:44 No.15992574 Report

Quoted By: >>15992904

>>15992181
Especially for the purpose of hatching each others shinies, that's the biggie

We had those FS directory threads a while ago, idk if Vivix is still making them

But we could totally do what Reddit (and our own questions general) are doing and just make a google document for it
Someone with a checker would start it and keep it updated, but if it had a request system it would be even better

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Nov 2013 00:21:55 No.15992904 Report

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>>15992574
The problem with this is that making a google doc is pointless for /vp/, since there's almost no way to contact people if they DO have the shiny ID you need.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Nov 2013 00:33:47 No.15993279 Report

Quoted By: >>15994731 >>15994882

>>15992454
well
I can't fucking get it to work... And I have about a million ideas as to what the problem could be, so this could take a while.

Then again, is /vp/ even large enough to benefit from this? I don't believe this is that helpful with fewer than 2000 people

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Nov 2013 01:23:56 No.15994731 Report

Quoted By: >>15994938

>>15993279
The odds work out at lower amounts of people registered - for example, if you take 5 eggs that you've generated, the odds of finding someone with a matching TSV in a list of uniques are:

9 uniques: 1%
86: 10%
179: 20%
282: 30%
398: 40%
531: 50%

Covering merely 1/8 of all possible TSVs gives you a 1 in 2 chance that your generated party of 5 eggs will match PSVs with someone, which is pretty good odds considering the alternative. Even 100 people will give you good odds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Nov 2013 01:27:58 No.15994882 Report

Quoted By: >>15994938

>>15993279
This is basically the birthday paradox. Your odds are actually really fucking good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Nov 2013 01:29:22 No.15994938 Report

Quoted By: >>15996402

>>15994882
>>15994731
oh hey
you guys are absolutely right.
Alright, well I'm still working on it. If any of you can get one going, do so, but in the meantime I'm gonna keep troubleshooting

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Nov 2013 02:23:10 No.15996402 Report

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>>15994938
doesn't look like I'm gonna be able to do this... anyone else got a laptop and an ethernet cable?

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