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BloatedBeard 3093-7067-1138 (Mankey, Pancham, ???) Mon 18 Nov 2013 17:36:02 No.16048624 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>16050501 >>16052033

So I suck cocks at competitive battling atm and I wanna know if I should change my fighting style at all? Atm I play with 4 all out attackers - 2 physical and 2 special - and try to throw in 2 support Pokémon, but I kinda get floored on Battle Spot and Showdown quite frequently. Any tips you guys could suggest?

Eg: I'm thinking of giving Blastoise Rapid Spin + Hydro Pump as opposed to Dark Pulse and Water Pulse respectively. Should I go through with this?

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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 17:37:21 No.16048652 Report

Quoted By: >>16048683

You play Singles?

I tried Malamar and Mega Blastoise myself in Doubles but found them really underwhelming

BloatedBeard 3093-7067-1138 (Mankey, Pancham, ???)

BloatedBeard 3093-7067-1138 (Mankey, Pancham, ???) Mon 18 Nov 2013 17:39:06 No.16048683 Report

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>>16048652
Yeah, Singles is what I normally play. If I was ever gonna go Doubles, I'd probably throw a Trick Room user in to go with Malamar.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 18:05:11 No.16049170 Report

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Whimsicott for more priority shenanigans

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 18:08:04 No.16049210 Report

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Can people even get Whimsicott right now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 18:13:35 No.16049282 Report

Quoted By: >>16049314

You'll have to go with Ferrothorn, since Whimsicott is not available yet (I quite like it, it's a shame).

Also, keep dark pulse to take care of Spin-Blockers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 18:15:14 No.16049313 Report

Quoted By: >>16050615

>Eg: I'm thinking of giving Blastoise Rapid Spin + Hydro Pump as opposed to Dark Pulse and Water Pulse respectively.

Rapid Spin on Mega Blastoise is great but for a very specific reason. When people don't want you to Rapid Spin their hazards away, they switch in a ghost type or if they can afford to set them back up they switch in Rocky Helmet Ferrothorn so that you lose 25% of your HP from the Rapid Spin. Among all the rapid spin users in the game, very few, not to say none, can actually stand up to ghost types. Due to Mega Launcher, Mega Blastoise turns Dark Pulse into 120BP and can reliably dispatch any ghost type that would attempt to block Rapid Spin including Aegislash. In other words if you pick up Rapid Spin but drop Dark Pulse, you lose any advantage Mega Blastoise has over any other Rapid Spinner.

Hydro Pump is no longer really worth the accuracy trade off since the base power nerf. Water Pulse has the same resulting power as Surf but also has an added confusion chance to set it apart.

BloatedBeard 3093-7067-1138 (Mankey, Pancham, ???)

BloatedBeard 3093-7067-1138 (Mankey, Pancham, ???) Mon 18 Nov 2013 18:15:15 No.16049314 Report

Quoted By: >>16050847

>>16049282
So ditch Dragon Pulse instead of Dark Pulse?

BloatedBeard 3093-7067-1138 (Mankey, Pancham, ???)

BloatedBeard 3093-7067-1138 (Mankey, Pancham, ???) Mon 18 Nov 2013 19:03:22 No.16050363 Report

Quoted By: >>16050558

Also just while we're talking Ferrothorn, would both Spikes and Stealth Rocks be better or should I slap power whip in there?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 19:10:43 No.16050501 Report

Quoted By: >>16050711

>>16048624
Honestly, Smeargle support rarely works, I think its better if you run something bulky that can baton pass or wish pass if you really want to run that.

Or heal bell/aromatheropy.

I would change Clefable into a bulky special attacker with this set:
Clefable @ Metronome/Life Orb/Toxic Orb Calm Nature
~Stored Power
~Cosmic Power
~Moonlight(Softboiled is possible after Pokebank release)
~Moonblast
Ability: Magic Guard (because theres literally no reason to run Cute Charm)

The rest of your team looks sound. If you're going 6v6 I'd use Ferrothorn for hazard support, while in 3v3 Whimsicott might be better for tailwind/status support or something.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 19:13:53 No.16050558 Report

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>>16050363
I like to run my ferro with
-leech seed
-power whip
-stealth rocks
-protect

Leech seeding makes sure nothing wants to stay in long and protect lets you rack up recovery. It's also great for scouting moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 19:16:17 No.16050615 Report

Quoted By: >>16052189

>>16049313
252 SpA (custom) Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD (custom): 190-224 (58.64 - 69.13%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

While I agree with you that dragon pulse is bollocks since dark pulse is already great neutral coverage, Dark Pulse...won't OHKO Aegislash, and Aegislash will potentially setup on you and kill.

Still good tho.

BloatedBeard 3093-7067-1138 (Mankey, Pancham, ???)

BloatedBeard 3093-7067-1138 (Mankey, Pancham, ???) Mon 18 Nov 2013 19:21:23 No.16050711 Report

Quoted By: >>16050790

>>16050501
Before the XY battling, I had it so Stored Power would be boosted by Smeargle's stat boosts and then I'd wreck loads of things. May very well go for that Softboiled idea tho, cheers.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 19:23:41 No.16050775 Report

Quoted By: >>16051292

Topsy Turvy is too situational, I would just go with an Assault Vest

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 19:24:31 No.16050790 Report

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>>16050711
That...works? Kinda? I prefer this set though because clefable can tank hits from most mediocre late game sweepers, like Greninja for example.

So you can run a defensive spread (I run max Sp Def Calm and then split DEF/HP) then just set up 4-6 cosmic powers. Even coming from her mediocre uninvested SpAtk, Stored Power will hit like a fucking truck. Moonblast is there for when Stored Power isn't viable and it also lowers SpAtk, which helps you out.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 19:26:53 No.16050847 Report

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>>16049314
Yes, Dark Pulse, Aura Sphere and Water Pulse already give you good neutral coverage.

BloatedBeard 3093-7067-1138 (Mankey, Pancham, ???)

BloatedBeard 3093-7067-1138 (Mankey, Pancham, ???) Mon 18 Nov 2013 19:46:48 No.16051292 Report

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>>16050775
That DOES mean he'd be able to take a special hit for once. Thinking Rock Slide for his fourth move then, or something else that offers coverage, especially against Bug types.

0189-8693-2549

0189-8693-2549 Mon 18 Nov 2013 20:10:02 No.16051865 Report

Quoted By: >>16052237

>Blastoise has 756 EVs

I shiggy-diggity-do

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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 20:17:47 No.16052033 Report

Quoted By: >>16052129

>>16048624
You nignog. Put a life orb on Clefable. More of a power boost than expert belt with no recoil because of your ability.

BloatedBeard 3093-7067-1138 (Mankey, Pancham, ???)

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BloatedBeard 3093-7067-1138 (Mankey, Pancham, ???) Mon 18 Nov 2013 20:21:30 No.16052129 Report

Quoted By: >>16052246

>>16052033
>No recoil?

How could I have been so blind?

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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 20:23:41 No.16052189 Report

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>>16050615
It might still work if that smeargle baton passes off to that blastoise +2 special attack is nothing to sneeze at if the smeargle uses the time to setup.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 20:24:18 No.16052200 Report

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Everyone knows you can only play Competitive with Blaziken, Charizard, Mewtwo and Protean Froakie - get with the times bro

BloatedBeard 3093-7067-1138 (Mankey, Pancham, ???)

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BloatedBeard 3093-7067-1138 (Mankey, Pancham, ???) Mon 18 Nov 2013 20:26:15 No.16052237 Report

Quoted By: >>16053191

>>16051865
Mother fu-

I fixed it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 20:26:41 No.16052246 Report

Quoted By: >>16052617

>>16052129
It's the reason Alakazam and Reuniclus are as good as they are. Free life orb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 20:42:53 No.16052617 Report

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>>16052246

>Not putting a sash on your alakazam

Disgusting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:03:28 No.16053191 Report

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>>16052237
I'd consider wish on the clefairy.
There was a battle video thread last night where a clefairy was raping and im pretty sure at least half your team would appreciate receiving wishes from something that bulky if you get a chance to force something out.

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