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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:12:13 No.16053423 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>16053656 >>16054357

>rocks dictate the success of pokemon and decide what tiers they are

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:13:04 No.16053439 Report

Quoted By: >>16054431

>implying SR determines the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:13:15 No.16053444 Report

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They succeed, despite the glaring weakness. Volcarona that cares not about rocks is either flat out uber or suspect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:14:32 No.16053469 Report

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These pokemon are strong despite their Rock Weakness.

Volcarona would've been Ubers easily in Gen V

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:16:13 No.16053496 Report

Quoted By: >>16054926

I wonder how many pages in Smogon don't have the words Stealth and Rock in them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:16:16 No.16053499 Report

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Volcarona would have been uber in gen 5, if not for rocks.

Talonflame without rocks is the most used pokemon of all time

both Charizards become the standard for special and physical attacking.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:19:34 No.16053571 Report

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Don't forget about this nigga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:19:35 No.16053572 Report

Quoted By: >>16053756

for some reason i expected charizard x to be special and charizard y to be physical based on their aesthetics. am i the only one thinking this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:22:56 No.16053656 Report

Quoted By: >>16053862 >>16054313

>>16053423

goddam charizard Y coverage is seriously fucking destructive

>fire + grass is only resisted by dragon
>fucker learns dragon pulse

not easy to revenge kill with aqua jet either under the sun.

even worse lots of charizard Ys are lead so they dont care about sneaky pebbles

I it has its counters, like cloud nine and scarf rock users, but still, its pretty damn strong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:23:16 No.16053668 Report

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but what if they lead?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:26:50 No.16053756 Report

Quoted By: >>16053799

>>16053572
Charizard X is equal in both stats, but its ability makes it more suited for physical attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:28:15 No.16053799 Report

Quoted By: >>16053839

>>16053756
youre not wrong but youre not helping the point im trying to make

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:29:42 No.16053839 Report

Quoted By: >>16053919

>>16053799
I don't agree.

Y has those stubby arms and weak looking wings. He seems like a special attacker that doesn't like making contact.

X looks like a beast that would devour you.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:30:53 No.16053862 Report

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>>16053656
Yeah, I don't usually lead with him, though out of the 130+ battles I've done I've only encountered crafty stones maybe 4 times, so I haven't had to.
I'm running Air Slash, Flamethrower, Dragon Pulse, and Solarbeam.
He's pentaperfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:33:27 No.16053919 Report

Quoted By: >>16053941

>>16053839
those wings look like they're made for slicing. and the mustache makes him look like a potent magic dragon that breathes magic fire or some fairy tale shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:35:03 No.16053941 Report

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>>16053919
He still can be, X is very good at using Overheat without much risk to stop a physical wall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:37:56 No.16054005 Report

Quoted By: >>16054088 >>16054256 >>16054295 >>16054356

Why is Fire moth OP?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:39:43 No.16054045 Report

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Smogon 6v6 singles isn't the only metagame out there. It is the only one that uses sneaky pebbles though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:41:04 No.16054088 Report

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>>16054005
It's stats are perfect for abusing Quiver Dance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:43:54 No.16054166 Report

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What annoys me is that you don't know what to switch into since you don't know what it's going to mega evolve into.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:47:01 No.16054256 Report

Quoted By: >>16054310

>>16054005
Come in on something it can set up on and it's can be GG if there were no rocks up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:48:29 No.16054295 Report

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>>16054005
Has quiver dance, and a Sp.Atk boosting signature Stab move. Also good stats overall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:49:01 No.16054310 Report

Quoted By: >>16054553 >>16054722

>>16054256
Incidentally, Talonflame is a fantastic answer to Volcarona. He really is a fantastic revenge killer/cleaner, certainly more useful than the "just a Blaziken counter" he was originally pegged as.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:49:07 No.16054313 Report

Quoted By: >>16054386

>>16053656
>fire + grass isonly resisted by dragon
>fire
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:50:29 No.16054356 Report

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>>16054005
>being silly

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:50:32 No.16054357 Report

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>>16053423
Without rocks, the only thing that would jump to OU would be Yanmega, and that's sort of iffy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:51:32 No.16054386 Report

Quoted By: >>16054410 >>16054415

>>16054313
????

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:52:26 No.16054410 Report

Quoted By: >>16054470 >>16054552

>>16054386
Fire resists both fire and grass.

In a related story, Heatran walls you hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:52:36 No.16054415 Report

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>>16054386
Fire resists the fire + grass combo said to only have been resisted by dragon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:53:13 No.16054431 Report

Quoted By: >>16054551

>>16053439
>saying exactly what the OP just implied
pleb

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:54:38 No.16054470 Report

Quoted By: >>16054495 >>16054514

>>16054410
Good thing it carries earthquake as does every physical attacker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:55:10 No.16054495 Report

Quoted By: >>16054523

>>16054470

>y
>physical attacker

Please, just stop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:55:43 No.16054514 Report

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>>16054470
>Charizard Y
>physical attacker
Now you just look ridiculous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:56:09 No.16054523 Report

Quoted By: >>16054561

>>16054495
I thought X. My bad. Carry on.

Punk ass heatran walls everything. I remember volcarona running through everything til heatran who laughed at everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:57:20 No.16054551 Report

Quoted By: >>16054675

>>16054431
stealth rock does not determine the game

>missing my point in its entirety

pleb

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:57:20 No.16054552 Report

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>>16054410
>what is focus miss
When heatran comes into play in the meta I'll start worrying about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:57:20 No.16054553 Report

Quoted By: >>16054647

>>16054310
I like Jolly max speed focus sash Hawlucha as a Cancerken counter.

Switch him in immediately after chicken comes in anticipating swords dance number one.
He should try to one shot my birdman with blaze kick, he'll probably be faster. He hits, pops my sash. Unburden is enganged. I don't even hit back, I use Swords Dance myself.

If he doesn't switch out he gets hit by 110 BP +SA +STAB Acrobatics and OHKO'd. If he doesn't have a priority finisher or an on-contact damage mon, I start sweeping.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:57:35 No.16054561 Report

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>>16054523
None of these fine fiery fellows appreciates facing off against Heatran...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:59:03 No.16054601 Report

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I haven't tried online yet. Is it only with teams of three? If so, that would make sneay bebbles pretty irrelevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 21:59:58 No.16054630 Report

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Why did they even make Stealth Rock take types into account in the first place? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have it as a Spikes equivalent that can hit levitators and flying types?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 22:00:51 No.16054647 Report

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>>16054553
>blaze kick
By which I mean probably flare blitz, or maybe Brave Bird. Anything, really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 22:01:50 No.16054675 Report

Quoted By: >>16054713

>>16054551
Are you retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 22:02:59 No.16054713 Report

Quoted By: >>16054768

>>16054675
no i'm just posting for a person who is uneducated

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 22:03:10 No.16054722 Report

Quoted By: >>16054777

>>16054310
Talonflame is fucking amazing. Blaziken means nothing. You can come in on something, scare it off, SD, then rip everything to shreds with BB.

If you use talonflame and it doesn't take out at least 2 pokemon before dying, you are shit. I believe that, without irony or sarcasm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 22:03:43 No.16054733 Report

Quoted By: >>16054795

So I take it Spikes and Smogon Rocks are pretty much useless in the 3v3 Singles metagame?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 22:04:46 No.16054768 Report

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>>16054713
>the OP implies rocks don't determine shit
>you say he's implying the opposite
>someone says you're an idiot
>then you repeat what you said

Again, are you retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 22:04:57 No.16054777 Report

Quoted By: >>16054822

>>16054722
>Talonflame coming in on something
>not dying as a result

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 22:05:48 No.16054795 Report

Quoted By: >>16054856

>>16054733
Who the hell is playing 3v3? What is that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 22:06:54 No.16054822 Report

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>>16054777
>fire
>fighting
>uturns (easiest fucking prediction)
>retards that are setting up and take neutral or more to BB

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 22:08:29 No.16054856 Report

Quoted By: >>16054884

>>16054795
People who own the physical game and play that rather than Showdown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 22:09:45 No.16054884 Report

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>>16054856
But it's way less skill involved and absolutely about setting up on pokemon right away and then sweeping. There is no prediction when it's 3 on 3.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 22:10:52 No.16054926 Report

Quoted By: >>16055192

>>16053496
All Smogon calculations assume that you have Stealth Rock and a layer of Spikes up and your side is totally clear. You wouldn't ever be in a disadvantageous situation, would you? Having a disadvantageous situation occur is bad strategy!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 22:20:04 No.16055192 Report

Quoted By: >>16055719

>>16054926
Smogon's ideal game:
>begins with SR and one layer of spikes up
>all damage calculations normalized, no more random variation
>no crits, no miss
>immediately see projected damage and priority when selecting moves based on likely sets the opponents could be running

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2013 22:41:41 No.16055719 Report

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>>16055192
>no RNG
that's basically asking for a single team to be objectively the best

Sammy 1805-2468-8081 (aipom,audino,ditto)

Sammy 1805-2468-8081 (aipom,audino,ditto) Mon 18 Nov 2013 23:39:47 No.16057302 Report

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Looking for someone to trade their charizardite Y for my charizardite X help a brother out.

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